[00:01] <Hobbsee> on what?
[00:06] <ScottK> armel because kde4lib-dev is the new version, but the actual package isn't built on armel yet.
[00:06] <Riddell> annoying when that happens
[00:06] <ScottK> Hobbsee: It's building now anyway.
[00:06] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[00:07] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Would you please watch and retry kde4bindings again on armel after kde4libs finished?
[00:07]  * ScottK is about to drive 1600KM for Christmas.
[00:07]  * Hobbsee mutters
[00:08] <Hobbsee> yeah, assuming i remember to, and don't do other things simultaneiously ;)
[00:10]  * ScottK ports mcasadevall to remind you.
[00:20] <seele> ScottK: where are you headed?
[00:29] <Sput> seele: a list of issues would be very welcome, as we could work on that during the coming days/weeks
[00:30] <seele> Sput: that is what i'm working on
[00:30] <Sput> thanks :)
[00:30] <jjesse> evening all :)
[00:30] <seele> Sput: what is "Choose random server for connecting" in the servers tab mean?
[00:30]  * Sput is glad you didn't get a heart attack yet
[00:30] <Sput> seele: assuming you have a list of servers for a network (as some clients have), pick a random one rather than trying in order
[00:31] <Sput> that only makes sense if we predefine server lists for common networks though
[00:31] <seele> Sput: why would you do that?
[00:31] <Sput> dunno, xchat does it :)
[00:31] <Sput> they have like every single freenode server in a list, and you can choose connecting to anyone of them rather than round-robining
[00:32]  * Sput wouldn't be sad to just hide that option
[00:32] <seele> does that make sense for a list the user creates themselves and can order?
[00:32] <Sput> in that case, no I guess
[00:32] <seele> ok
[00:32] <Sput> I think it's really for those clients that have like 50 servers for a network
[00:33] <Sput> in a normal use case, irc.freenode.net should be sufficient anyway
[00:34] <Sput> seele: in general I think we could make the experience for users using the mono client much smoother, by hiding most of the options concerning remote cores and making them explicitly enable that somewhere if they need that
[00:38] <Sput> anyway, I need to go to sleep now... I welcome all your efforts to get quassel in shape, and I think we'll be willing to do our part to make it usable to unexperienced users :) thanks already
[01:39] <ScottK-desktop> ryanakca: Sent
[01:46] <NamShubX> Hello
[01:46] <crimsun> speaking of irc clients, how does one provide a sane ui for hundreds of channels/buffers? there just doesn't seem to be any sane way.
[01:49]  * Sput thinks quassel's way of custom dockable views you can filter channels in goes a long way
[01:49] <Sput> we lack shortcuts for navigation though :/
[01:49] <Sput> also I should've been in bed 3 hours ago
[01:51] <crimsun> i don't particularly like irssi, but it's the only one that fits my workflow so far :/
[01:54] <Riddell> hi NamShubX
[01:54] <ryanakca> ScottK-desktop: thanks
[01:55] <ScottK-desktop> ryanakca: Thanks for taking care of it.
[01:56] <seele> is quassel qt4 or kde4libs?
[01:57] <Sput> seele: qt4 in your version, optionally kde4libs in my local kde branch :)
[01:57] <seele> Sput: ah, so youre porting it?
[01:57] <Sput> (which is work in progress and not really working yet)
[01:57] <seele> ok.. good to know
[01:57] <Sput> yeah, working on it
[01:58] <Sput> it'll always be optional though
[01:58] <Sput> which means, no KDE widgets for the most part... but stuff like colors, icons, knotify support, shortcut dialog will be integrated
[01:59] <Sput> I expect basic KDE support to be merged into git master before 2009, if all goes well
[02:17] <ryanakca> ScottK-desktop: Woah. That really is long. I've started including some of them, but... maybe it would be better if it was placed on a wiki? That way everybody can update it as needed instead of having to poke a webmaster? I can stick a link on the page saying ``<h2>A question not answered here?</h2> Please see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/KubuntuFAQ for more frequently asked questions, or ask a member of the Kubuntu community in <a ...
[02:17] <ryanakca> ... href="/link/to/community/and/support">your native language</a>.''
[02:17] <ScottK-desktop> ryanakca: Sounds good to me.
[03:03] <NamShubX> im not sure if its the proper channel but... is it normal / known or a local problem that the plasma-python stuff does not work in 4.2b2 ?
[05:03] <mcasadevall> wait what?
[05:04] <nixternal> BEAR DOWN CHICAGO BEARS!!!
[05:52] <NCommander> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[05:53]  * NCommander did something really stupid
[05:53] <NCommander> Riddell, or ScottK ping
[06:29] <NCommander> nixternal, ping?
[06:29] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/310806 - to whatever core dev sees this first
[07:05] <flocati> if I create a package of a version of kdevelop and exit the new one, is easy to create the package of the new?
[07:12] <flocati> apachelogger: If debian has a package, can I import it in kubuntu?
[09:25] <Riddell> what's up NCommander?
[09:25] <NCommander> I blotched the Replaces: line on python-qt4
[09:25] <NCommander> d'oh
[09:25] <NCommander> dholbach was looking at sponsoring the fix
[09:50] <hunger> Anybody else having trouble logging into KDE in kubuntu/jaunty at this time? Gnome works fine.
[11:05]  * ScottK-palm waves to vorian from I-70W in Ohio.
[11:06] <Riddell> what's I-70W?
[11:10] <apachelogger> flocati: usually yes
[11:10] <apachelogger> flocati: it depends on the package though
[11:11] <gnomefreak> Riddell: a highway
[11:11] <flocati> apachelogger: is easy to import from the debian archive?
[11:12] <apachelogger> flocati: yes, if we can do a straight sync
[11:12] <apachelogger> if we need to keep ubuntu changes, a manual merge needs to be done
[11:12] <apachelogger> or if we need to introduce changes we also need to do it manually
[11:13] <flocati> apachelogger: no, we can do a straight sync, because that package there isn't in ubuntu
[11:13] <apachelogger> well
[11:13] <apachelogger> what is "that package"?
[11:13] <flocati> apachelogger: kdevelop4
[11:13] <apachelogger> vorian: you are experimental again
[11:13] <apachelogger> flocati: is the binary and source also called kdevelop4?
[11:14] <flocati> the debian one?
[11:14] <apachelogger> yes
[11:14] <flocati> nope
[11:14] <flocati> only kdevelop
[11:14] <flocati> mmm
[11:15] <apachelogger> well, then it would replace the KDE 3 version which is not too good
[11:15] <flocati> they have even merged a piece of svn :(
[11:15] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:15] <apachelogger> I guess they did that for a reason
[11:15] <flocati> apachelogger: http://kde42.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/kdevelop/ <-- maybe I can try to apply the same diff to the last tag?
[11:15] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:16] <apachelogger> probably
[11:16] <flocati> apachelogger: yep, they took the previous beta
[11:16] <apachelogger> flocati: most important is that you change the names to kdevelop4 or -kde4 (I would prefer the latter) and make it replace the KDE 3 kdevelop
[11:17] <apachelogger> => lunch
[11:17] <flocati> make it *NOT* replacing KDE3 kdevelop, isn't it?
[11:27] <apachelogger> sorry, bad wording
[11:28] <apachelogger> flocati: the binaries ought to replace the KDE 3 ones
[11:28] <apachelogger> so you can install kdevelop-kde4 even though kdevelop is installed, and vice versa
[11:29] <flocati> apachelogger: than you can have both installed in the same time, isn't it?
[11:31] <apachelogger> flocati: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces
[11:32] <flocati> ok, I got it ;)
[11:58] <apachelogger> ~np
[11:58] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Go, Tell It on the Mountain" by Bob Marley
[11:58] <Riddell> how does that work?
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: last.fm
[12:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310872
[12:11] <Riddell> W: Unable to locate package kopete-desklist
[12:12] <Riddell> oh, binary is kopete-plugin-desklist
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[12:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks .. bug 310873 ;-)
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[12:16] <nixternal> good mornin'
[12:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310874 I hope you don't have anything more important to do?
[12:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: good morning sunshine
[12:18] <Sput> diese nacht blieb dir verborgen, doch du musst nicht traurig sein *sing*
[12:18] <apachelogger> "no women, no cry"
[12:20] <apachelogger> oh dear, plasma crashed
[12:21] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: should I close bugs of software that got removed?
[12:21] <apachelogger> there is little chance it will get fixed anyway
[12:21]  * nixternal says yes as he has done it in the past
[12:22] <Riddell> can't see a point in leaving them open
[12:23] <apachelogger> ok
[12:27] <Riddell> kat gone
[12:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310875
[12:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310878
[12:33] <Riddell> done
[12:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: bu 310880
[12:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310880
[12:37] <Riddell> done
[12:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 310881
[12:42] <jussi01> apachelogger: is there anything else you know of that I cann doto help quassels default client cause atm?
[12:43] <apachelogger> jussi01: learn cpp/qt and help them meet our requirements ;-)
[12:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: hehe. so we have provided them with a list of requirements then?
[12:46] <apachelogger> I don't think so. seele didn't make her review yet, but in general the first start process needs to be streamlined
[12:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah, ok I thought that was the case. I guess the sooner we get specifics to them the better though
[12:48] <apachelogger> seele wanted to do her review today IIRC
[12:48] <jussi01> ahh, excellent. :) hopefully she can find the time.
[12:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: have fun with bug 310888 ;-)
[12:55] <tyfon> hmm looks like the kubuntu website is slightly busted
[12:55] <tyfon> http://www.kubuntu.org/doc/index.php
[12:55] <tyfon> it downloads the .php file itself
[12:55] <jussi01> thats still not fixed?
[12:56] <jussi01> iirc someone was reporting a bug about that.
[12:56] <tyfon> ah well its the webserver thats misconfigured :p
[12:56] <apachelogger> #canonical-sysadmin
[12:56]  * apachelogger thinks jussi01 should deliver the beating :P
[12:57]  * apachelogger meanwhile finds out what /doc/ is supposed to contain
[12:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: ok :p
[12:59] <apachelogger> hm, I am 2 years or something around and never knew we have the documentation online Oo
[12:59] <jussi01> lol
[12:59]  * jussi01 huggles apachelogger :D
[13:00] <Riddell> it should be removed and put on help.ubuntu.com (was discussed at UDS)
[13:00] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[13:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe also get help.kubuntu.org?
[13:00]  * apachelogger rehuggles jussi01
[13:01] <tyfon> well there is a need for kubuntu spesific docs
[13:01] <tyfon> like what programs to use etc if comming from mac or windows
[13:01] <tyfon> i bumped into that because a friend asked me for a help website ;)
[13:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 310888 done, know any way to mass close those?
[13:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't dholbach give you a script last time we had a mass close?
[13:03] <Riddell> maybe, don't recall
[13:03] <apachelogger> maybe jussi01 could do it? :)
[13:04] <jussi01> apachelogger: do what?
[13:04] <Riddell> e-mail down to < 2000!
[13:04] <apachelogger> jussi01: fix release all of bug 310888
[13:04] <Riddell> time to move onto New queue, which hasn't been touched for three weeks
[13:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: I still have stuff to remove :P
[13:05]  * apachelogger subscribes ubuntu-archive
[13:06] <jussi01> apachelogger: I dont really want to touch anything even mildly sensitive atm, as I am under the infulence of prescription drugs, and well, accidents happen more with a cloudy head ;)
[13:07] <apachelogger> worst thing that could happen is that you close it as invalid or wontfix, and I really wouldn't care as long as it is closed :P
[13:09] <Riddell> freeflying: ping
[13:09] <Riddell> freeflying: in sunpinyin what's pydict_sc.bin.be and pydict_sc.bin.le ?
[13:10] <Riddell> also lm_sc.t3g.be and .le
[13:22] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: ping
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> pong
[13:22] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: got a moment for apm?
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> yup
[13:28] <NCommander> rgreening, ping?
[13:47] <seele> apachelogger: i just started on it last night.  i might finish the review today depending on how busy my work day is, but probably not until tomorrow
[13:47] <apachelogger> ok
[13:47] <jussi01> :)
[13:47]  * seele mumbles something about things take longer than a few hours to do the Right Way
[13:48]  * jussi01 huggles seele and sends her a nice warm cuppa to enjoy :)
[13:50] <seele> thanks, i need it.  i just rolled out of bed
[13:50]  * seele yawns
[13:50] <apachelogger> ~order cookies, xmas seele
[13:50]  * kubotu slides cookies, xmas seele down the bar to apachelogger
[13:50] <apachelogger> hm
[13:50] <apachelogger> ~order cookies, xmas for seele
[13:51]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to seele and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[13:51]  * seele tries to pat down stray hairs sticking out everywhere
[13:51]  * apachelogger needs a coffee
[13:51] <freeflying> Riddell: the are the pinyin data divided into two for le and be machines
[13:52] <Riddell> freeflying: where does the data come from?  how is it modified?
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> ~order chocolate, hot
[13:52]  * kubotu slides chocolate, hot down the bar to JontheEchidna
[13:53] <freeflying> Riddell: upstram has a tool to generate it, didn't upload
[13:53] <Riddell> freeflying: to generate it from what?
[13:54] <freeflying> Riddell: origin data were collected from internet
[13:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: try tea, earl grey, hot :P
[13:55] <Sput> ~order captain for apachelogger
[13:55]  * kubotu adds Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum and cola in a ice-filled pint glass, garnishes with a lime. Arrrr yer captain co-ho-hola apachelogger! But watch out that the captain doesn't let the apprentice navigate...
[13:55] <Riddell> freeflying: are those files editable?  or are they generated from something else?
[13:56] <freeflying> Riddell: from something else
[13:56] <apachelogger> Sput: latest trend: captain libre ;-)
[13:56] <Sput> hmmm, sounds interesting
[13:57] <Riddell> freeflying: doesn't seem like they're "preferred modifiable form then", that's needed for the archive (unless we put them in restricted)
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> ~order tea, earl grey, hot
[13:57]  * kubotu is replicating a hot cup of earl grey for captain JontheEchidna.
[13:58] <apachelogger> Sput: it is deadly, somehow that mixture leads to a state of constant drunkeness over a long period of time. .. I would imagine holding a ballmers peak using captain libre ought to be quite easy
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> replicators rock
[13:58] <apachelogger> they sure do
[13:58] <Sput> I prefer Zäpfle for Ballmerpeaking, it's more predictable... though it can also make you tired
[13:58] <freeflying> Riddell: restricted is ok, anyway its hard to track back the original data collected from internet
[14:02] <jussi01> is this something we want in k/ubuntu? is it any good? or is it there and ive not found it? http://www.linux.com/feature/155922
[14:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: sounds like a whole lot of others trying to do the same thing (smart, packagekit, etc)
[14:05] <apachelogger> hm
[14:06] <apachelogger> the first para makes it sound like one big workaround
[14:06] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ahh ok. just saw it there and wondered
[14:06] <apachelogger> like one gigantic big workaround
[14:06] <apachelogger> epic one possibly
[14:06] <apachelogger> ~facts about apachelogger
[14:06] <kubotu> I know nothing about apachelogger
[14:06] <apachelogger> hm
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> ~facts about batman
[14:07] <kubotu> I know nothing about batman
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> ~facts about sand
[14:07] <kubotu> I know nothing about sand
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> D:
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> ~fact 2
[14:07] <kubotu> please select a fact number between 1 and 0
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> ~fact 1
[14:07] <kubotu> please select a fact number between 1 and 0
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> ~fact 0.5
[14:08] <apachelogger> lul
[14:08] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help fact'
[14:08] <apachelogger> ~info
[14:08] <apachelogger> ~uptime
[14:08] <apachelogger> I really need to add more plugins :S
[14:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you restart your server recently?
[14:09] <jussi01> apachelogger: no. but the dns went down last night and things got a little, err screwed up.
[14:09] <jussi01> we had to change the dns
[14:09] <apachelogger> weird
[14:09] <apachelogger> ~learn that the dns went down
[14:09] <kubotu> okay, learned fact #1: the dns went down
[14:09] <apachelogger> ~save
[14:09] <kubotu> can do!
[14:09] <apachelogger> ~restart
[14:10] <apachelogger> ~fact 1
[14:10] <kubotu> please select a fact number between 1 and 0
[14:10] <apachelogger> hmmm
[14:11] <apachelogger> it will be good when rbot switched away from that ugly database
[14:22] <freeflying> Riddell: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/05/using-googles-n-gram-corpus.html http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg58968.html
[14:37] <Riddell> freeflying: both LGPL and CDDL need source code so I don't think this can be distributed under the licence it uses
[14:48] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot194.png
[14:54] <apachelogger> note: KDE's managing dialog thingy looks better than GNOME's
[14:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: when we looked at it at UDS we were unconvinced it was very useful to most users
[14:56] <apachelogger> IMHO most users shouldn't have to tweak their policykit settings
[14:57] <Riddell> yeah, we were thinking not to include it on the CD since it's of interest to sysadmins only
[14:57] <apachelogger> sounds sensible
[14:58]  * apachelogger is wondering how to make it use a KDE dialog
[14:59] <Riddell> make policykit use a KDE dialogue?
[15:00] <apachelogger> yes
[15:00] <Riddell> it ought to just work when installed although I'm not convinced it does
[15:01] <Riddell> the dbus service is kde-org.freedesktop.policykit or whatever which should mean it gets picked somehow when requested while KDE is running
[15:02] <apachelogger> maybe a relogin helps
[15:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot195.png
[15:07] <apachelogger> login did the trick
[15:08] <Riddell> nice
[15:08] <Riddell> talk to tonio if you're looking at packaging, I think he was working on it
[15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: did KDE decide on not including it?
[15:09]  * apachelogger lost track of that discussion
[15:09] <Riddell> they're still discussing it last I saw on release-team
[15:10] <apachelogger> *nod* not worth thinking about packaging it then
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should probably take a look at policykitifying systemsettings though, I guess it is unlikely that KDE will have that in 4.2
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: anything inpaticular?
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, just getting rid of kdesu all over the place
[15:14] <apachelogger> I think only time&date and our root-required-kcm patch use it anyway
[15:24] <Riddell> we have a root-required-kcm patch?
[15:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: try to open the KDM kcm
[15:27] <Riddell> goodness
[15:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: kpackagekit doesn't have an update notifier?
[15:33] <apachelogger> ah
[15:33] <apachelogger> not the fastest
[15:33] <apachelogger> but I get a fancy policykit dialog :D
[15:51] <NCommander> Riddell, can I get a favor?
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: I believe it does although I havn't tried it
[16:08] <Riddell> NCommander: how about a favour?
[16:08] <apachelogger> lol
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: it has, it's just a bit buggy IMO
[16:08] <NCommander> Riddell, could you review the bug cody posted in devel?
[16:11] <seele> is quassel 0.3.1 a development version?  there seems to be some stuff that doesnt work or is missing
[16:26] <Riddell> jjesse: a bit early :)
[16:26] <seele> Sput: are you guys using .ui files?
[16:27] <Riddell> seele: 0.3.1 should be a stable release if i read their website correctly
[16:28] <Riddell> I also see a git version packaged in our PPA
[16:29] <seele> hmm, ok.  just more notes to write i guess
[16:29] <seele> Riddell: ScottK-desktop packaged me an intrepid version so i got it from him
[16:30] <Riddell> seele: plenty of .ui files in the source package
[16:42] <nixternal> yay, more snow \o/
[16:42] <seele> nixternal: did you see our flood?!
[16:43] <seele> nixternal: http://snipurl.com/919n5
[16:43] <nixternal> I just heard about it from a coworker
[16:43] <nixternal> that is insane
[16:43] <seele> nixternal: i find it funny that the flood on River Road is from a water main break and not the river :)
[16:43] <nixternal> heh
[16:43] <nixternal> you know what I think about notifications? THEY ARE ANNOYING WHEN THEY ARE NOT USEFUL!
[16:44] <nixternal> ie. when I select a link in Konsole to open, it pops up a notification telling me it is transfering the page
[16:44] <nixternal> that is garbage imho
[16:44] <seele> it's 28F too, so there's going to be a lot of ice :-/
[16:44] <nixternal> why would a URL to a site be transferring anything
[16:44] <seele> hah
[16:45] <seele> i think it is just a general notification.  more useful when you open a file directly like a PDF or JPG
[16:45] <seele> because then it shows download progress
[16:45] <nixternal> that is an understandable notification no doubt
[16:46] <seele> although, that's one of the things that the app should take care of probably, not konsole
[16:47] <seele> if you are loading a page in konq, then konq should give you the progress (or konq should send the notification to dbus) and give you the error if it times out
[16:47] <nixternal> the only notification I like, is when someone highlights me on IRC...other than that, they annoy me
[16:47] <seele> you get a notification if someone highlights you on IRC?
[16:47] <smarter> nixternal: report a bug, every kio job got it's notification atm, and the developer of the app has to specify if he doesn't want the notifications to be shown
[16:47] <seele> oh.. you use konversation?
[16:48] <nixternal> I hate stupid coworkder
[16:48] <nixternal> coworkers that is
[16:48] <nixternal> seele: no, I use irssi, but I have an ssh notify script with it that pops up notifications
[16:49] <seele> nixternal: ooooh gimmie!
[16:49] <Nightrose> seele: do you want visual or audio notifications?
[16:49] <seele> Nightrose: visual, i usually have my laptop on mute
[16:50] <Nightrose> ah ok
[16:50] <nhandler> Anyone up for reviewing a plasmoid on REVU?
[16:50] <Nightrose> i always use audio as i want to be notified when i am away from the pc
[16:50] <seele> Nightrose: you go away from your pc?
[16:50] <apachelogger> nhandler: in 5 minutes
[16:50] <nhandler> Thanks apachelogger
[16:51] <Nightrose> seele: *lol* i try not to but from time to time my bf demands some attention for example
[16:51] <Nightrose> and he gets grumpy if not
[16:51] <Nightrose> :P
[16:51] <seele> Nightrose: haha..you don't need notifications for that case then, it just becomes distracting
[16:51] <Nightrose> :P
[16:51] <Nightrose> nah but honestly
[16:52] <Nightrose> when learning i want to know when someone highlights me
[16:52] <Nightrose> or when cooking
[16:52] <seele> yeah
[16:52]  * Nightrose is soo happy it finally is implemented in quasel trunk
[16:53] <Sput> :)
[16:53] <Sput> seele: we use .ui files for most things
[16:53]  * Sput expects knotify support soonish
[16:53] <Nightrose> \o/
[16:59]  * ScottK-palm congratulates NCommander on kde4bindings building.  ilIs it a good build?
[16:59] <NCommander> It built?
[16:59] <NCommander> when did that happen O_o?
[17:00] <ScottK-palm> I thought it did?
[17:00] <NCommander> And the Final Fantasy Victory Theme just played in my playlist
[17:00] <NCommander> I didn't see that it built
[17:00] <NCommander> WOOOO!
[17:00] <NCommander> I stand in aw
[17:01]  * ScottK-palm can't believe you didn't look.
[17:01] <ScottK-palm> Double check me.
[17:02] <NCommander> last time I checked, it was pending build time was on Christmas
[17:02] <NCommander> I thought I had a few days :-P
[17:05]  * ScottK-palm looks at apachelogger to kick off some armel retries.
[17:07] <NCommander> so kdebase-workspace is really broken
[17:07] <NCommander> -_-;
[17:07] <NCommander> SO must for the dream of KDE 4.2 on ARM thus far
[17:08] <NCommander> (although at least we're making progress in the right direction)
[17:11] <apachelogger> always me
[17:22] <apachelogger> nhandler: playwolf good for upload
[17:26] <seele_q> ack
[17:32] <nhandler> Thanks apachelogger
[17:32] <nhandler> I'll rename the patch and upload
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> if playwolf is uploaded then plasmoid-am4rok can be dropped from the archives now since playwolf is its successor project
[17:43]  * JontheEchidna files removal bug
[17:45] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I just uploaded it ;)
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: poke me with bug number for quick processing
[17:50] <Riddell> NCommander: xfce update copied to intrepid-proposed
[17:50] <NCommander> nice
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 310961
[17:52] <Riddell> new queue down to only 143 iteams
[17:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[17:57] <nhandler> Riddell: I don't think I ever noticed that you were on ubuntu-archive
[18:00] <Riddell> judging by the length of New queue I seem to be the only one :)
[18:03] <nhandler> Riddell: Since you just removed plasmoid-am4rok, want to accept plasmoid-playwolf?
[18:03] <Riddell> nhandler: been processing New queue all afternoon, hopefully I'll get to it
[18:03] <nhandler> :D
[18:10] <NCommander> Riddell, why so high O_o;
[18:10] <Riddell> NCommander: hmm?
[18:10] <NCommander> why so many items in the NEW queue?
[18:11] <apachelogger> because Riddell was on vacation ;-)
[18:11] <NCommander> makes sense
[18:12] <NCommander> I'd like to see someone $FLUSH Debian NEW
[18:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: panelspacer is doing what?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> waiting for me to figure out rpath or whatever
[18:17] <seele> wow.. that water main break is a big deal.  the Fed is sending all its workers home and the DC area is on a water conserv
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> Oo
[18:18] <apachelogger> neato
[18:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask the google
[18:18] <apachelogger> ~google file extension .pcs
[18:18] <kubotu> Results for file extension .pcs: 1. File Extension .PCS Details: http://filext.com/file-extension/PCS | 2. File Extension .PC Details: http://filext.com/file-extension/PC | 3. File extension PCS - Embroidery file format: http://www.file-extensions.org/pcs-file-extension
[18:19] <nellery> Does anybody have an idea for what is causing this build failure
[18:19] <nellery> http://paste.ubuntu.com/91757/
[18:19] <ryanakca> Hmmm... for kde-style-qtcurve... I suppose I'd have to update it to KDE4 for Debian if we're keeping it?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> nellery: that plasmoid is extremely old
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> it will only build with KDE 4.0.x
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know what the .kdevelop.pcs files are? and considering they are binary, should they be removed from source tarballs?
[18:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: more like a plasmold
[18:22] <apachelogger> ryanakca: pardon?
[18:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: something generated by kdevelop at a guess, assuming kdevelop can modify them it's fine in a source file
[18:22] <nellery> JontheEchidna: I see... how old are they generally before they will have been updated?
[18:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: thx
[18:23]  * NCommander wonders if PPAs support multi-distro uploads
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> nellery: I don't understand your question
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> do you mean how new do they have to be so that they'll compile?
[18:24] <nellery> JontheEchidna: that should work
[18:24] <Riddell> NCommander: ubuntu only I believe
[18:24] <NCommander> Riddell, no, I mean uploading to jaunty/intrepid at the same time
[18:24] <NCommander> ala Debian
[18:25] <Riddell> NCommander: one at a time I'm pretty sure.  debian allows for more?
[18:25] <NCommander> yeah
[18:25] <NCommander> Its not really used much anymore
[18:25] <Riddell> NCommander: how?  what would go in the changelog?
[18:26]  * apachelogger wished soyuz was able to do automated backports :(
[18:26] <NCommander> You put both releases
[18:26] <NCommander> So if you were uploading to unstable and frozen
[18:26] <NCommander> It would go
[18:26] <NCommander> nano (blah) frozen unstable; urgency=low
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> nellery: anything from page 1-8 of kdelook should compile
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> er, 7, typo
[18:27] <nellery> JontheEchidna: alright, thanks a lot
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> and to be specific everything there should compile wiht KDE 4.1, unless it's too new and is made for KDE 4.2 :P
[18:29] <apachelogger> you know, if I make batbuild a bit more generic it would be a first class review tool
[18:31] <ryanakca> apachelogger: the current kde-style-qtcurve package in both Debian and Kubuntu is for KDE3. I'm wondering if we should update it to the KDE4, submit it to Debian and then merge it back into Kubuntu, or drop it.
[18:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: we have kde4-style-qtcurve
[18:33] <apachelogger> debian wouldn't accept kde-style-qtcurve for KDE 4 replacing the one for KDE 3
[18:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to rename it
[18:34] <Riddell> debian would probably accept it into experimental
[18:34] <apachelogger> *nod*
[18:34] <apachelogger> once all kde4-style-* stuff is renamed to kde-style-* we should be free of all KDE 3 styles muhahaha
[18:35]  * apachelogger broke something in packagekit/policykit
[18:36] <apachelogger> look at that... I started kradioripper the very first time and in managed to open 3 windows
[18:36] <apachelogger> and yet I always thought Amarok1's first run wizard was annoying
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> 1740 bugs in Kubuntu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> it's gone down a few hundred, /me wonders how that happened
[18:40] <apachelogger> what a buggy product
[18:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is the sysconfig printer stuff still valid?
[18:40] <jussi01> yeah, who would use that :P
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dunno
[18:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: find out then :P
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> I asked if it was still a problem (if we're talking about the same bugreport)
[18:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: they valid ones should be moved to kdeadmin or utils or something
[18:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs-search?field.distribution=ubuntu&field.sourcepackagename=system-config-printer-kde&search=Search
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, the entire package
[18:43] <apachelogger> did get add to a core KDE module (no clue which one) - all valid bugs need to be moved - others closed - removal request for _source_ needs to be filed
[18:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could abandon arts
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> in theory kde3 apps need it in Intrepid for notification. But jaunty on the other hand....
[18:47] <apachelogger> amarok needs a cleanup
[18:47]  * JontheEchidna is planning a mass invalidation for amarok on the arrival of 2.0
[18:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am quite sure we could rebuild KDE 3 stuff without arts
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm, true dat
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> it should die
[18:48] <apachelogger> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arts all won't fix
[18:48]  * JontheEchidna is cleaning up kopete source package currently
[18:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kde bug 150396 powerdevil?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: aRts now has 0 bugs
[19:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:17]  * smarter is pretty sure arts has bugs :P
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> konq crashed, grr
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> konq--
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> ~karma konq
[19:20] <kubotu> karma for konq: -1
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> ~karma
[19:20] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 6
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> ~karma apachelogger
[19:20] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 3
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger++ for his bug work
[19:22] <DasKreech> ~karma
[19:22] <kubotu> DasKreech has neutral karma
[19:22] <DasKreech> :-)
[19:22] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:22] <DasKreech> I'm at balance with the world
[19:26]  * DasKreech peers at seele_q
[19:26] <DasKreech> que quassel?
[19:29] <seele> irc client we are looking at for jaunty
[19:30] <NCommander> !karma
[19:30] <NCommander> er
[19:30] <NCommander> ~karma
[19:30] <kubotu> NCommander has neutral karma
[19:30] <NCommander> ...
[19:30] <NCommander> kubotu, poke?
[19:31] <NCommander> NCommander++
[19:31] <NCommander> oh well
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> ~karma NCommander
[19:31] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 1
[19:32] <NCommander> wooo
[19:32] <DasKreech> Booo Firefox
[19:32] <DasKreech> firefox--
[19:33] <NCommander> ~karma firefox
[19:33] <kubotu> karma for firefox: -1
[19:33] <NCommander> lol
[19:34] <DasKreech> Stupid pulling in all of Gnome bug
[19:35] <nhandler> ~karma
[19:35] <kubotu> nhandler has neutral karma
[19:35] <nhandler> :)
[19:35] <apachelogger> nhandler++
[19:36] <apachelogger> ~np
[19:36] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Mekureta Orange" by 東京スカパラダイスオーケストラ
[19:36] <apachelogger> awesome song
[19:36] <nhandler> ~karma
[19:36] <kubotu> karma for nhandler: 1
[19:37]  * nhandler prefers his LP karam over that lonely 1 ;)
[19:37]  * apachelogger doesn't like the way lp calculates its karma
[19:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 66362 MIR?
[19:38] <nhandler> apachelogger: Neither do I, but I still have more karam on LP than in here
[19:38] <apachelogger> well, here it is at least real karma :P
[19:38] <DasKreech> Anyone have keyboard shortcuts working in plasma ?
[19:38] <nhandler> Very true apachelogger
[19:40] <DasKreech> For the life of me I haven't been able to get them working in KDE 4.2
[19:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: about the hibernate bug: i really don't see anyone implementing this as mark said - this should be done on a system level imho - cause not only amarok makes sound
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: aieeeee
[19:41] <DasKreech> everyone sent their desktops to sabdfl ?
[19:41]  * Nightrose did
[19:41]  * seele snorts in an unladylike manner
[19:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it's not about sound en general
[19:41] <apachelogger> it is about playback
[19:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but his usecase is a library - where all sounds are unwanted
[19:43] <DasKreech> seele: It's for usabilty purposes ^_^
[19:47] <apachelogger> hmmm
[19:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: your player supports that fdo spec for common dbus music player interface?
[19:47] <apachelogger> considering that is even official fdo
[19:47] <Nightrose> mpris?
[19:47] <Nightrose> yes
[19:47] <nellery> If anybody is interested in reviewing, I just uploaded a plasmoid to revu - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-stockquote
[19:48] <apachelogger> hm
[19:48] <seele> nellery: you should submit that to kde-look under plasmoids so it shows up in GHNS
[19:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: mpris doesn't support multiple players at once does it?
[19:49] <Nightrose> no idea
[19:49] <apachelogger> it better does
[19:49] <apachelogger> <= wicked idea
[19:49] <Nightrose> hehe
[19:49] <nellery> seele: will do
[19:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about that: powerdevil gets a setting to pause playback on hibernation ... if it is set powerdevil does a dbus call to the mpris interface ... hopefully mpris somehow implements the case where multiple players are running and all of them are paused
[19:51] <Nightrose> sounds good
[19:51] <nhandler> nellery: They don't include a copy of the GPL license in the source
[19:51] <apachelogger> Nightrose: even if the mpris spec doesn't consider this case powerdevil could still pause the player which obtains lock on the mpris interface
[19:51] <Nightrose> *nod*
[19:51] <Nightrose> should be good enough in nearly all cases
[19:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please move the KDE bug to powerdevil?
[19:52]  * apachelogger mvoes the lp bug
[19:52] <Nightrose> ok
[19:52] <apachelogger> if I find it  ^_^
[19:52] <nellery> nhandler: I see a file called LICENSE
[19:53] <nellery> containtain GPL v2
[19:53] <nhandler> lol, I missed that
[19:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: want me to explain this ther? are you going to implement it?
[19:53] <nellery> s/containtain/containing
[19:53] <Nightrose> or is moving enough?
[19:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: just pasting what I wrote should be enough
[19:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: and add http://www.mpris.org/ for reference on mpris
[19:54] <madscientist159> Hey, quick (nor not so quick!) question: one of the last packages I have to deal with for KDE3 is the openoffice integration.  Is there any way that package can coexist with the custom kdelibs4c2a (kdelibs4c2a-kde3)?  I overrode the dependency check on my test system and it worked OK, but obviously the end-users can't do that!
[19:55] <Nightrose> k
[19:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se:80/wiki/MPRIS#D-Bus
[19:55] <apachelogger> that sounds like one could easily make it work for all supported palyers
[19:55] <apachelogger> for player in $interfaces do...
[19:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: there doesn't seem to be a powerdevil product
[19:59] <Nightrose> guidance-powermanager?
[19:59] <apachelogger> no
[19:59] <Nightrose> k
[19:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kdebase?
[19:59] <apachelogger> or kdebase-workspace?
[19:59] <Nightrose> hmmm no idea where it is
[20:00] <Riddell> madscientist159: custom kdelibs4c2a?
[20:01] <Nightrose> Riddell: do you know which product bugs for powerdevil go to in bugzilla?
[20:01] <Riddell> Nightrose: source package is kdebase-workspace
[20:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: drf probably would know
[20:02] <Riddell> Nightrose: in bugs.kde.org it may not have an entry yet
[20:02] <Nightrose> ok
[20:02] <DasKreech> Kopete uses Qt3 for the friends list
[20:02] <madscientist159> Riddell: I was thinking of creating a "bridge" package, but was hesitant to do so--I have no idea of the remaining apps (other than openoffice) might have rpaths pointing to the non-KDE3 library locations
[20:03] <madscientist159> I wanted to consolidate all of KDE3 into one location for the future :)
[20:03] <Riddell> madscientist159: non-KDE3 library locations?
[20:04] <madscientist159> Riddell: I moved the KDE3 libraries into /usr/kde3/lib rather than /usr/lib
[20:04] <apachelogger> DasKreech: huh?
[20:04] <apachelogger> madscientist159: that is invalid
[20:04] <apachelogger> madscientist159: should be usr/lib/kde3
[20:05] <Riddell> madscientist159: aah, you're doing KDE 3 packages for intrepid, that's what I was missing
[20:05] <madscientist159> Riddell: Yup! :)
[20:05] <apachelogger> oi vei!
[20:05] <madscientist159> apachelogger: Invalid??
[20:05]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cup of coffee
[20:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: Riddell: solid is the right product
[20:05] <DasKreech> apachelogger: Random thought
[20:05] <Riddell> Nightrose: hmm, that doesn't seem right (for the frontend stuff)
[20:06] <Nightrose> hmm
[20:06] <Riddell> madscientist159: but kdelibs4c2a still exists, can't apps still use that if they want or are you making it conflict on your kdelibs4c2a-kde3 ?
[20:07] <apachelogger> madscientist159: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[20:07] <madscientist159> Riddell: It conflicts.  My whole thought was to move all the KDE3 binaries into their own /usr/kde3 directory--that way nothing will conflict with it in the future
[20:07] <apachelogger> madscientist159: the only sensible paths would be /opt/kde3 (the suse way) or /usr/lib/kde3/
[20:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: done
[20:07] <apachelogger> madscientist159: very good idea btw :)
[20:07] <apachelogger> madscientist159++
[20:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: thx
[20:08] <madscientist159> apachelogger: Thanks! ;)  Can we live with the non-standard binary location then?
[20:08] <apachelogger> madscientist159: well not /usr/kde3 :P
[20:09] <DasKreech> Nightrose: http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1406/amarokcs9.jpg
[20:09] <apachelogger> madscientist159: I recommend usr/lib/kde3 since we used usr/lib/kde4 for KDE 4
[20:09] <apachelogger> or
[20:10] <DasKreech> how do you get that to happen?
[20:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: would it cause problems if madscientist159 installs his -kde3 to usr/lib/kde3 when the official KDE 3 stuff is installed?
[20:10] <Nightrose> DasKreech: kbuildsycoca4
[20:10] <madscientist159> Riddell: That was one of my concerns
[20:10] <Nightrose> or fix your install if that doesn't help ;-)
[20:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, although I'd go for /opt/kde3 (we only used /usr/lib/kde3 because it's easier to get past archive admins for debian policy, but /opt follows FHS better)
[20:11] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:11] <apachelogger> madscientist159: opt/kde3 please :)
[20:11] <madscientist159> apachelogger: /opt/kde3, /opt/kde3/bin, /opt/kde3/lib sound OK?
[20:11] <DasKreech> Nightrose: Thanks. I'm still going to throw myself off a cliff though :)
[20:12] <apachelogger> madscientist159: comes down to that
[20:12] <madscientist159> apachelogger: OK, just wanted to verify before recompiling all those packages, again... :)
[20:12] <apachelogger> hm
[20:12] <apachelogger> madscientist159: before you do that
[20:13] <apachelogger> you might want to checkout suse's KDE 3 configure switches
[20:13] <apachelogger> maybe they have some tweaks
[20:13] <madscientist159> apachelogger: I'm already using the exec-prefix one quite heavily
[20:13] <madscientist159> apachelogger: Seems to do the job
[20:14] <apachelogger> ok
[20:14] <madscientist159> apachelogger: Although, this still leaves me with the openoffice problem I think!
[20:14] <apachelogger> madscientist159: oh, and make sure all files go to /opt/kde3 ... for kde-nightly I ran into the problem that sysconf (etc stuff) didn't want to follow the prefix setting by default
[20:14] <apachelogger> madscientist159: what is the problem with openoffice?
[20:14] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157611565602504/
[20:15] <madscientist159> apachelogger: I have been keeping the sysconf in etc to keep KDE3 integrated into the rest of the system as tightly as possible
[20:15] <apachelogger> you dee ess
[20:16] <apachelogger> madscientist159: that shouldn't be necessary, plus to ensure nothing conflicts you will have to drop out of /etc
[20:16]  * madscientist159 thinks for a minute
[20:16] <Nightrose> DasKreech: ohnoes!
[20:17] <DasKreech> It's ok I'll send you a nice pic of the clif first
[20:17] <Nightrose> oO
[20:18]  * DasKreech hugs Nightrose goodbye
[20:18] <DasKreech> Nightrose ++
[20:18] <apachelogger> madscientist159: if KDE 3 behaves as nice with sandboxing as KDE 4 does you really just need to let debian/rules generate .desktop files in /usr/share/applications so that the apps stay accessibile from outside KDE 3
[20:18] <DasKreech> ^_^
[20:18]  * Nightrose hugs DasKreech
[20:19] <madscientist159> apachelogger: Well nothing conflicts in /etc, I made sure of that.  Not sure how nice KDE3 will play, I seem to remember some problems when I moved stuff out of etc in the past.
[20:19] <madscientist159> apachelogger:  Is there any way to get a secondary PPA that I can upload to out of the public's eye and then transfer over all the built packages once I am ready to replace the existing -kde3 packages?
[20:20] <apachelogger> madscientist159: just create another user ... or group
[20:20] <madscientist159> apachelogger: I'm just not sure how much more time I can put into this :)
[20:20]  * apachelogger learned that PPAs should always belong to a group at any point
[20:21] <Riddell> nixternal: most comedy computer http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/3131663212/in/set-72157611565602504/
[20:21] <apachelogger> madscientist159: the good thing is, since KDE 3 is not getting too much updates you don't have to do much work on maintaining it ;-)
[20:21] <nhandler> nixternal: Great photos
[20:21] <madscientist159> apachelogger I know ;-)
[20:21] <Riddell> "If she can only cook as well as a Honeywell can compute"
[20:22]  * apachelogger sends nhandler review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-stockquote
[20:22] <nhandler> Riddell: I just got to that photo in the slideshow ;)
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what should we do about katapult bugs?
[20:22] <apachelogger> I started on that when nick posted the URL ... I am getting distracted too much
[20:22] <nhandler> apachelogger: I'll look at it after the slideshow finishes
[20:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kill em
[20:22] <madscientist159> I think for now I'll just create that bridge package, then I'll worry about moving stuff to /opt/kde3...thanks for the assistance!
[20:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no katapult == no one is ever going to fix that stuff
[20:22] <apachelogger> nhandler: now! :P
[20:23]  * madscientist159 goes to prepare for christmas
[20:23]  * apachelogger mumbles .... watching slideshows...
[20:23] <nhandler> apachelogger: Fine, fine. I'll pause the slideshow
[20:23] <apachelogger> nhandler++
[20:23] <nhandler> nixternal can wait
[20:24]  * apachelogger continues the slideshow :P
[20:24] <nhandler> lol
[20:26] <seele> can someone using the core option in quassel link a screenshot of their buffer list?
[20:27] <jussi01> seele: err, which buffer?
[20:27] <seele> jussi01: theres a list of buffers in a panel by default on the left side
[20:27] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, that one was hillarious
[20:27] <nixternal> the Kitchen Computer!
[20:27] <seele> i dont know what it looks like when youre connected to a core vs using the internal core or if there is no difference at all
[20:27] <jussi01> seele: you can see my screen shot on the quassel site (the dark one on the left)
[20:28] <jussi01> seele: I believe its the same.
[20:28] <seele> oh duh, that would be a good place to look
[20:28] <jussi01> :D
[20:28] <ScottK> seele: One of the tricky bits is that what's shown by default is the "All Buffers" list.  It's non-intuitive to me that you need to make your own list if you don't want to see absolutely everything.
[20:28] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/3131655630/sizes/l/in/set-72157611565602504/ - "5 Second Floppys by Antonio Mercatante"
[20:28] <jussi01> seele: mind, I have a custom setup, so I hope thats what you are looking for
[20:28] <nhandler> nellery: in debian/copyright, you want to use /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[20:29] <ScottK> Riddell: I-70W is Interstate 70 Westbound.  It's one of the major East - West highways in the US and runs through vorian
[20:29] <nhandler> nellery: I also am not seeing anything that says you can use "(at your option) any later version" of the GPL license.
[20:29] <ScottK> 's home state of Ohio.
[20:29] <Riddell> ScottK: sounds painful
[20:29] <nixternal> word to the wise in here: do not upset Riddell as he will attack with sugar packets!
[20:29] <Riddell> oh, I see :)
[20:29] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:30]  * nixternal couldn't get the camera up quick enough for the sugar packet ninja in action
[20:30] <ScottK> Yeah.  Well we got as far as western Indiana before the rain freezing to ice convinced us discretion was the better part of valour.
[20:30] <seele> ScottK: yeah, i didnt understand some of the buffer config options.  i assume that is for hard core IRC users
[20:30] <apachelogger> ninja?
[20:30] <Riddell> nixternal: those were non-violent sugar packets
[20:30] <apachelogger> where?
[20:30] <nixternal> ScottK: you heading out towards me or something?
[20:30] <ScottK> nixternal: Heading to Kansas City.
[20:30] <seele> ScottK: it gets really confusing when you add a buffer for a certain channel, because then it shows up twice instead of just applying to the channel
[20:30] <nixternal> ScottK: where are you right now?
[20:30] <seele> i would have expected it to just be a filtered view
[20:31] <nixternal> ScottK: just so you know, I would travel now, as our roads will probably be closed down later this evening for a big storm coming in
[20:31] <ScottK> About 35 miles from Illinois in Indiana at a hotel just off I-70
[20:31] <nixternal> I would try and get through the chicagoland area as quick as possible to be honest
[20:31] <ScottK> Totally iced over here.
[20:31] <nixternal> oh, you are way south
[20:31] <ScottK> We're waiting for tomorrow.
[20:31] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:31] <nhandler> nellery: You should also say in debian/copyright "The Debian packaging is Copyright (C) 2008, Nick Ellery". The (C) really means nothing. You want to have the word "Copyright" in there
[20:31] <nixternal> ScottK: the ice storm is supposed to end by tomorrow evening they are saying
[20:32] <ScottK> Yeah.
[20:32] <ScottK> We'll be going nearer you on the way back.
[20:32] <ScottK> Father-in-law lives in Duluth, MN.
[20:32] <ScottK> So from there back to MD.
[20:33] <ScottK> I saw a mini-van go sideways in the road about 200 meters in front of me and then slide off the road down into the ditch between the sides of the road and then crash into an SUV that had gone off in the same spot.
[20:34] <apachelogger> nhandler: while you are at it... http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=4342 could also use a review ... or maybe nixternal wants to?
[20:34] <seele> eek
[20:34] <nhandler> apachelogger: I'll look at it after nick's plasmoid
[20:34] <ScottK> Fortunately I've got a lot of winter driving experience and got lucky.
[20:34] <apachelogger> nhandler: or you tell nixternal to do some real work so you can watch the slideshow
[20:34] <apachelogger> nixternals are made for work
[20:35] <nhandler> apachelogger: I'm bored. I might as well do some work today
[20:35]  * apachelogger likes that attitude
[20:35] <nhandler> Also, on an OT note, when is the next Kubuntu meeting? The wiki page has not been updated
[20:36] <apachelogger> 3 weeks?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> We need to do a meeting soon to discuss UDS-ish stuff
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> for the benefit of those who weren't at UDS
[20:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that ought to be difficult, we should have done it last week probably
[20:36] <nellery> nhandler: thanks, I'll fix those right now
[20:36] <apachelogger> 2nd week of january maybe?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> sounds good
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[20:37] <Riddell> any time after Jan 2nd good with me
[20:37] <nhandler> nellery: You might want to wait a few minutes
[20:37] <apachelogger> seele, nixternal, Nightrose, yuriy_ ^
[20:37] <Riddell> oh but before 5th January
[20:37] <Riddell> I have jury duty
[20:37] <nhandler> nellery: I'm still not done looking it over. I'm adding a comment on REVU
[20:37] <apachelogger> hm
[20:37] <seele> apachelogger: fine with me but should be eariler that 2nd week.  that only gives 3-4 weeks before feature freeze
[20:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are way too busy :P
[20:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: I'll be in berlin until 3rd
[20:37] <Riddell> hmm, that doesn't leave much
[20:38] <DasKreech> Anyone would like to help with an Amarok 2 issue in #kubuntu ?
[20:38] <seele> are people available next week?
[20:38] <seele> before the end of the year?
[20:38] <Nightrose> depends on which day
[20:38] <Riddell> could do Mon 29th
[20:38] <seele> which days are not good for you?
[20:38] <seele> Nightrose: ^^\
[20:39] <Nightrose> hmmm 24th, 25th, 26th, 31st-3rd
[20:39] <seele> quassel's icon logo is kindof freaky.  is that supposed to be an eyeball?
[20:39] <seele> Nightrose: ok.. so monday is good for you?
[20:39] <Nightrose> yes
[20:39] <Nightrose> it is
[20:39] <nixternal> apachelogger: next week would be great, as the end of january is going to be very busy for me preparing for the global bug jam and doing a few talks in january and february and preparing for those as well
[20:39] <seele> anyone else.. is monday Dec 29th NOT good for you?
[20:39] <Nightrose> monday should be ok
[20:40] <apachelogger> you lost me
[20:40] <nixternal> I can do the 29th
[20:40] <jussi01> seele: yeah, its an eye :D
[20:40] <Mez> JontheEchidna: ping?
[20:40] <seele> jussi01: lol it's scary!
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> Mez: pong
[20:41] <Mez> JontheEchidna: why did you mark those as "wont fix" - katapult is still a valid ubuntu package...
[20:41] <jussi01> seele: hehehe... its watching you... :P
[20:41]  * nhandler is happy he will finally get to see a meeting of the ninjas
[20:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: lost you how?
[20:41] <ScottK> Mez: Wasn't it removed from Intrepid/Jaunty?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, it was removed from both
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> 15:22:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what should we do about katapult bugs?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> [15:22:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kill em
[20:42] <apachelogger_> did my last message get through?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> [15:22:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no katapult == no one is ever going to fix that stuff
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger_: last I saw was "you lost me"
[20:42]  * Mez didnt realise it had been killed from the archive.
[20:42] <apachelogger_> EVERYONE PLEASE MARK THEY DAYS YOU CAN ATTEND A MEETING http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=bghyrc2f7m6a8zyp
[20:42] <apachelogger_> there we go
[20:42] <Mez> and katapult is being slowly portyed
[20:42] <ScottK> Mez: Doesn't work on KDE4.
[20:42] <Riddell> no katapult in intrepid
[20:43] <Mez> ScottK: I've not had any issues ?
[20:43] <apachelogger_> Riddell, seele, Nightrose, yuriy, nixternal ^
[20:43] <apachelogger_> and everyone else
[20:43] <apachelogger_> Mez: I think the problems where caused due to patches introduced in hardy
[20:43] <apachelogger_> *were even
[20:44]  * Mez shrugs
[20:44] <apachelogger_> application launcher stuff should have worked fine + Amarok (since we only had 1.4 anyway)
[20:44] <apachelogger_> Sput: ping
[20:44] <Mez> apachelogger_: yeah, and it does...
[20:44] <Nightrose> done
[20:44] <Mez> what wasn't working? I've had no reports...
[20:45] <Xand3r> hey apachelogger_ whats up? have a moment for me? please have a look in our query
[20:45] <nhandler> Is it ok to upload packages with this lintian warning "W: plasmoid-stockquote source: quilt-build-dep-but-no-series-file plasmoid-stockquote
[20:45] <nhandler> Or should we create an override?
[20:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: on mine, the dates I have marked as NO, I can make it to, but marked them no just in case as I will be in the office
[20:45] <ScottK> nhandler: An override is better.
[20:46] <nixternal> if you make them for say, 15:00 UTC on my pink days, I can make it, it is tougher if it is before or right after that
[20:46] <nhandler> ScottK: Ok
[20:46] <apachelogger_> Xand3r: nothing interesting int he query, is there
[20:46]  * ScottK confesses he doesn't generally bother though.
[20:46] <Xand3r> ok i ask here
[20:46] <Xand3r> or no, i cant ask in english
[20:47] <apachelogger_> lol
[20:48] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: get on your game, you havent triaged my bug yet! :P :P :P :D (I swear you triage every bug I report) :D
[20:49]  * apachelogger_ read the bug but considered it triageunworthy :P
[20:49] <jussi01> hehe
[20:49] <apachelogger_> ah, it appears the server gets a reboot
[20:49]  * JontheEchidna thinks it's a possible dupe
[20:50] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: I think we only have such a bug about rars
[20:50] <apachelogger_> though TBH I didn't even know one could password protect zips
[20:50]  * JontheEchidna wouldn't want to report that upstream for fear of being duped himself
[20:51] <apachelogger_> lol
[20:52] <Riddell> hmm, not looking so good for our meeting
[20:53] <Riddell> I could make it on Tue 30th before 19:00
[20:53] <Riddell> after that I'm at the Dancin'
[20:55] <Xand3r> apachelogger_: again query please :D
[20:57] <Riddell> nhandler: .kdev4/playwolf.kdev4 probably shouldn't be in the plasmoid-playwolf tar (not worth changing the tar for, just something to ask upstream)
[20:57] <smarter> apachelogger_: the #kdegames may have found what causes bug #285265
[20:58] <smarter> apachelogger_: apparently it's an i18n issue, which may be related to the kpatrc file(and the one we ship) + bad code
[20:58] <seele_q> ugh.. running out of steam.  should i bother with mockups or should i post this quassel review and see what they come up with on their own?
[20:58] <apachelogger_> EVERYONE NOW PLEASE MARK POSSIBLE TIMES PER DAY: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=bud98cuf2muce685 KTHX
[20:58] <Riddell> bad code in kpat?  I'm not going to be the one to tell coolo :)
[20:59] <apachelogger_> lol
[20:59] <apachelogger_> smarter: sound like fun
[20:59] <smarter> apachelogger_: tsdgeos just said he had a patch
[20:59] <smarter> let's hope we get something for .4
[21:00] <apachelogger_> well, even if it is only ifxed in 4.2 it is already something
[21:00] <apachelogger_> smarter: tell him that he is my hero
[21:00]  * apachelogger_ is crippled by irssi and can't do it :P
[21:00] <seele> irssi > *
[21:00] <smarter> you're on irssi?
[21:01] <smarter> quassel br0ke?
[21:01] <Riddell> seele_q: post it and ask if they'd be interested in mockups?
[21:01] <apachelogger_> no, the quassel server had a meltdown
[21:01] <smarter> ouch
[21:01] <apachelogger_> german servers always do that... like when KDE SVN was down :P
[21:01]  * smarter bbl
[21:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger_: i have forgotten how much fun i had with packaging^^
[21:03] <apachelogger_> tell me about it :(
[21:03]  * apachelogger_ is spending most of his time on bug fixing
[21:03] <apachelogger_> and KDE release packaging
[21:03] <apachelogger_> which is pretty boring TBH
[21:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger_: thats why i have ppa
[21:04] <Xand3r> for it i dont need to make a man
[21:04] <Xand3r> i make what i want
[21:04] <Xand3r> i am my master^^
[21:04] <apachelogger_> stop that blasphemy
[21:04] <apachelogger_> it causes bad karma
[21:05] <nhandler> Riddell: I'll talk to upstream about getting that change for plasmoid-playwolf implemented
[21:12] <Riddell> nhandler: shouldn't plasmoid-playwolf depend or recommend on amarok?
[21:13] <Riddell> new queue is empty!
[21:13] <apachelogger_> IMHO playwolf should be generic and use mpris
[21:14] <devfil2> Riddell: if you will review digikam-kde4 on revu and say that it is ok I will reload the new queue :)
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger_: imo energy should just be spent improving the nowplaying applet KDE haz
[21:15] <apachelogger_> seele, ScottK, nixternal, nhandler, yuriy: don't forget to enter your times http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=bud98cuf2muce685
[21:15]  * apachelogger_ is off 
[21:15] <apachelogger_> nini
[21:15] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: that too ;-)
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:16] <apachelogger_> =>
[21:16] <nellery> nhandler: is it okay to create debian/patches/series, rather than creating and override?
[21:16] <nellery> (for http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-stockquote)
[21:16] <nhandler> nellery: I just tried that. I would have thought it would work, but it didn't for me
[21:17] <nellery> nhandler: ok
[21:18] <nellery> I've never created an override with lintian, would you mind explaining how it's done?
[21:18] <Riddell> nhandler: why depend on quilt at all?
[21:19] <nhandler> Riddell: Me? Or nick?
[21:19] <Riddell> nellery
[21:20] <nhandler> Riddell: Doesn't kde.mk need quilt?
[21:20] <nellery> Yes, that was what I assumed
[21:21] <Riddell> fair point
[21:22]  * nhandler is learning ;)
[21:23] <nellery> just did a testbuild without quilt
[21:23] <nellery> /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory
[21:26]  * nhandler goes to finish watching nixternal's slideshow
[21:30] <nixternal> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=95628
[21:30] <nixternal> ^^ woot, awesome Kubuntu wallpaper made by request
[21:30] <nixternal> I asked him yesterday for one, and today he provided
[21:32] <DasKreech> nixternal: Damnit if it wasn't for Wade's art!
[21:32] <nhandler> nixternal: That wallpaper is really awesome
[21:33] <nixternal> I love street style wallpapers and have forever wanted a Kubuntu/KDE one...my wish came true today :)
[21:33] <nhandler> and I finally finished going through your UDS photos
[21:34] <nixternal> ya, most of the time I had 2 or more bottles of beer in my hands, so it was difficult to take pictures :)
[21:34]  * DasKreech tries not to imagine what nixternal was using to press the button
[21:34] <Riddell> devfil2: going for a canoe while it compiles away
[22:05] <nhandler> So did we agree on a meeting date? If so, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings should probably be updated
[22:06] <Nightrose> nhandler: apachelogger will set the date when he gets up i think
[22:07] <nhandler> Ok Nightrose. I didn' notice him go to bed
[22:29] <nixternal> hrmm, openoffice writer is extremely broken for me
[22:29] <jussi01> Happy birthday Riddell! :D
[22:29] <nixternal> ooh?
[22:29] <nixternal> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR Riddell! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!
[22:30] <nhandler> So, who brought the cake?
[22:30] <jussi01> nhandler: you didnt?
[22:30] <nhandler> jussi01: Nope, I guess I didn't get that memo
[22:32] <jussi01> hehe
[22:33]  * NCommander throws a cake into the channel
[22:33] <Nightrose> Happy Birthday Riddell \o/
[22:34] <Nightrose> kubotu: order party
[22:34]  * kubotu gives everyone a party hat and a hand full of conffeti.
[22:34]  * kubotu turns on tha most funky party music as well as the all shiny disco ball.
[22:34] <kubotu> Nightrose: wanna dance with me? :-)
[22:34]  * kubotu starts shaking her tight ass
[22:34] <jussi01> hehe
[22:34] <claydoh> ok its official, you devs are now required to monitor kubuntu-users now
[22:35] <claydoh> kubotu is a bit too naughty :)
[22:35] <Nightrose> claydoh: are they? :P
[22:36] <claydoh> according to one of the regs you should be :)
[22:36] <Nightrose> heh
[22:36]  * Nightrose only checks subjects latelxy tbh
[22:37] <Nightrose> and read the whole mail when it sounds like i should read it
[22:37] <claydoh> it has been almost nice in there recently actually
[22:37] <Nightrose> yea that was my impression as well
[22:37] <claydoh> subjects don't match content much
[22:37] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[22:37] <Nightrose> but i don't have the time for more :(
[22:39] <seele> Nightrose: it's not his birthday for another hour and 20 minutes :)
[22:40] <Nightrose> hey somewhere it already is ;-)
[22:40] <Nightrose> asnd he is casnoing anyway i think
[22:40] <seele> yep
[22:42] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[22:44]  * DasKreech puts some oil on kubotu's ass to stop the squeaking
[22:48] <jpds> ...
[22:49] <jpds> And I thought a Facebook person asking permission to post job postings to Ubuntu mailing lists would be the weirdest thing I'd see today.
[22:51] <jussi01> jpds: let me remind you... you are on #kubuntu-devel... ;)
[22:51] <jpds> jussi01: True. ;-)
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> finally: http://blog.uninstall.it/2008/12/23/changes-in-kdeartwork/
[23:15] <Riddell> it's beautifully calm out there, not a creature is stirring
[23:16] <Riddell> aww you guys remembered, if a bit early, hugs to jussi01, Nightrose, nixternal
[23:16] <nhandler> Did you see the cake that NCommander tossed in?
[23:17]  * NCommander drops a second one on Riddell 
[23:17] <NCommander> kde4bindings compiled :-)
[23:17] <Riddell> yum, cake
[23:17] <NCommander> We need the Still Alive theme
[23:17] <nixternal> Riddell: are we a day off?
[23:17] <nhandler> nixternal: A few hours early
[23:17] <seele> nixternal: 40 minutes off
[23:18] <nixternal> err, ya, it is the 23rd, I remember at UDS you saying xmas eve
[23:19] <Riddell> what to do with my last minutes of youth and innocence?
[23:20] <nhandler> Riddell: How old are you turning?
[23:20] <NCommander> Riddell, duct tape party!
[23:20] <Nightrose> Riddell: do something childish of course ;-)
[23:20] <Nightrose> make bubbles
[23:20] <Nightrose> esat lots of chokolate
[23:20] <Nightrose> -s
[23:21] <Riddell> nhandler: guess :)
[23:21] <nixternal> Riddell: send an email to another project praising it and then saying it would be great to have this or that in it, maybe you can get some more work that :p
[23:22] <nhandler> Riddell: I have no clue. 30?
[23:22] <seele> oooh
[23:22] <seele> lol
[23:23]  * nhandler has never seen Riddell in real life
[23:23] <Riddell> nhandler: not yet
[23:23] <nhandler> 21?
[23:23] <Riddell> old enough to lose my young persons railcard
[23:24] <crimsun> omg he's turning 79!
[23:25] <nixternal> Riddell: 26!
[23:25] <Riddell> nixternal: been there, done that
[23:25] <Riddell> time to move on
[23:26] <nixternal> 27
[23:26] <Riddell> give it half an hour :)
[23:26] <nixternal> you lose your rail card in your mid twenties I thought
[23:26] <nixternal> actually, you should have already lost it
[23:27] <Riddell> renewed it a week before my 25th birthday, so it's just gone :(
[23:56] <NCommander> rail card?
[23:56] <NCommander> ^- nixternal & Riddell
[23:57]  * Riddell returns with waffles and chocolate sauce
[23:57] <Riddell> NCommander: gets you cheap(er) train travel
[23:58] <NCommander> neat
[23:58] <Riddell> makes trains almost competitive with more polluting forms of transport