[00:01] <szrhawaii> damn i never seen my computer so slow in my life except when i was using windows
[00:01] <szrhawaii> this 8.10 is killing me
[00:01] <inanimate> All right, done with damage control.
[00:01] <inanimate> Now about that home directory...
[00:02] <pingveno> szrhawaii: I was having issues too. I had to disable the effects.
[00:02] <inanimate> Ah! Found it.
[00:02] <szrhawaii> which effects
[00:02] <uga> I think he meant all effects
[00:03] <inanimate> uga: All right, mission accomplished. Thanks a lot.
[00:03] <uga> congrats
[00:03] <szrhawaii> how do i turn off the widget effects i dont even use them
[00:03] <uga> inanimate: just out of curiosity, it was under home?
[00:03] <inanimate> uga: Yeah.
[00:03] <hallowname> any bored persons wanting to test an artificial intelligence plasmoid should check: openbrain.sf.net
[00:04] <uga> szrhawaii: right click on the window decoration->configure window behaviour...->uncheck "enable desktop effects"
[00:04] <inanimate> uga: Which makes sense, because it didn't install it with sudo, which means the only place it could have possibly put it was .kde.
[00:04] <uga> heh
[00:04] <szrhawaii> window decoration
[00:04] <uga> szrhawaii: yes, the window border
[00:04] <uga> the one with title
[00:05] <uga> on any application
[00:05] <uga> the bar containing the buttons for maximize, minimize, etc
[00:05] <szrhawaii> dont got that option
[00:05] <uga> uhm... I believe it's been there since 4.1
[00:05] <Danu> Hello to all someone knows how to convert rmvb to vcd format?
[00:06] <uga> maybe somebody else can help him?
[00:06] <uga> I only got .2
[00:06] <inanimate> uga: What's the question?
[00:06] <uga> inanimate: he's trying to find the option to disable/enable desktop effects
[00:06] <e-head> what samba version do you guys run?
[00:06] <uga> for me it's under right click on the window decoration, configure window behaviour
[00:06] <e-head> SHould I install 3 or 4 you think?
[00:07] <uga> and I have "Enable desktop effects"
[00:07] <inanimate> System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects
[00:07] <szrhawaii> thats where i just found it in
[00:07] <uga> heh, true. I didn't think of system settings first =)
[00:08] <inanimate> Both System Settings and Config Window Behavior use the same kcm part.
[00:08] <szrhawaii> if i have compiz-fusion if i turn those effects off does that make compiz my primary effects manager
[00:08] <inanimate> So two roads to the same destination.
[00:09] <szrhawaii> i can already see an improvement in speed
[00:09] <inanimate> szrhawaii: You should use compiz instead of KWin.
[00:09] <szrhawaii> my window switcher and stuff for my compiz work fast
[00:10] <inanimate> Then you can use Compiz as your window manager instead of KWin if you like it better.
[00:10] <szrhawaii> yeah
[00:10] <szrhawaii> i already have it set up
[00:10] <szrhawaii> that helped out so much
[00:10] <szrhawaii> it sucks cause i have to practically go in and manually turn everything off for comiz to run fast
[00:10] <inanimate> But if you have Compiz and not KWin, then shouldn't Desktop Effects be useless?
[00:10] <szrhawaii> yep
[00:10] <inanimate> (I thought they were only for KWin.)
[00:11] <szrhawaii> didnt know that feature was there
[00:11] <szrhawaii> for enabling effects
[00:11] <szrhawaii> i know where it is in the 3.5 but i dont really know where anything is in 4 right now
[00:12] <inanimate> That was a new feature in KDE 4.
[00:12] <szrhawaii> man my computer seems to be running as fast as it used to when i had kde 3.5
[00:12] <szrhawaii> now
[00:12] <szrhawaii> i have noticed a lot of things the added its just all over the place
[00:13] <szrhawaii> its like finding needles in hay stacks now
[00:13] <inanimate> Heh... So what exactly does "Improved Window Management" mean?
[00:13] <szrhawaii> a better window management
[00:13] <szrhawaii> lol
[00:14] <szrhawaii> if your talking about the standard window management for the system settings they did add alot of features they didnt have before
[00:14] <szrhawaii> that allows you to do some stuff like in compiz but not compiz stuff
[00:15] <inanimate> There is an option called "Improved Window Management", but I don't know what it does.
[00:15] <szrhawaii> where is that at
[00:15] <szrhawaii> oh that thing
[00:16] <szrhawaii> not sure
[00:16] <szrhawaii> must be for certain effects that you can select on the all effects side
[00:16] <beaf> he how do you do
[00:26] <Slugzzzz> Hi! Could someone give me some help?
[00:38] <trappist> !help
[00:38] <trappist> well that wasn't what I was looking for
[00:38] <trappist> he's gone anyway
[00:38] <trappist> don't mind me
[00:45] <szrhawaii> Slugzzz you gotta ask what you need help with
[00:46] <szrhawaii> oh wow im late on that as well
[00:53] <wers> i want a fresh kde4 install. i'm on ubuntu so i dont mind removing those packages. how do i remove all kde4 apps?
[00:53] <szrhawaii> manually
[00:54] <wers> i suppose there's a single package that would remove all those
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> wers: kdelibs5 would do it
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> (yes, 5)
[00:58] <wers> thanks JontheEchidna :)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> :)
[01:01] <wers> JontheEchidna, i intend to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. would installing kdelibs5 do the job/ :)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> you would want to sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> installing kdelibs5 would only reinstall kdelibs5 ;-)
[01:04] <wers> ooh. nice. thanks. :D
[01:07] <webbi> hello
[01:08] <webbi> I just installed kde4.0.3
[01:08] <webbi> how can I add a new panel?
[01:10] <zudo> hi
[01:10] <webbi> hello
[01:11] <webbi> anybody know where can i find help about kde4?
[01:11] <zudo> I need some help...
[01:11] <sourcemaker> I have configured kmail to add a custom signature from the input field below... but now when I compose a new mail... it starts with "--" + signature...?
[01:11] <zudo> oi
[01:12] <zudo> lot of people need help
[01:12] <zudo> I'll just throw it out there then:
[01:12] <hector> hola
[01:12] <hector> alguien habal español
[01:12] <zudo> Does anyone know how to install kubuntu to a usb drive's sub directory?
[01:13] <zudo> I've tried various automatic usb drive install, including netbootin, the pendrivelinux.com one, and the kubuntu automatic usb creator
[01:13] <zudo> but whenever I try to modify the syslinux.cfg to boot from a subdirectory it does not work
[01:15] <szrhawaii> where is the screensaver setting
[01:18] <szrhawaii> why cant i find the screensaver option
[01:19] <szrhawaii> no one knows either huh
[01:19] <szrhawaii> i had it a little while ago
[01:20] <mase_work> hey guys, i am not sure what happened but my laptop no longer suspends, it doesn't auto configure the network or anything when a cable is plugged in. is there a way i can tell dpkg to restore everything to a default state ?
[01:21] <szrhawaii> i had that problem too
[01:21] <szrhawaii> type in iwconfig and see if what it says
[01:21] <szrhawaii> in terminal
[01:21] <mase_work> yeh i can do it all manually
[01:21] <mase_work> i just don't want to :)
[01:21] <mase_work> i've currently go a shell script which i run
[01:21] <mase_work> which does it
[01:22] <mase_work> but yeh i want my partner to be able to use the laptop too
[01:23] <szrhawaii> do you got an application you use on top of terminal to configure your network
[01:23] <szrhawaii> or is it just scripting
[01:23] <mase_work> well network manager is supposed to work :) but its just scripts
[01:24] <mase_work> and i know which one to run based on where i am
[01:24] <mase_work> but yeh this was all working a while back
[01:24] <szrhawaii> what about the simple manager tool for network manager
[01:24] <szrhawaii> did you try netstat
[01:24] <mase_work> like....it doesn't matter. i just want the whole thing reset
[01:24] <mase_work> i'm not trying to debug my issues one by one
[01:24] <mase_work> i just want to reset it
[01:25] <mase_work> i have had this version of kubuntu running on this machine in a fully working state before
[01:25] <mase_work> i tried another distro, and reinstalled kubuntu then upgraded
[01:49] <Delvien> Can someone take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/91282/ Its the dmesg from plugging in a USB and it mounting almost a minute later,
[01:51] <cstoner> Delvien: I assume it's FAT32?
[01:51] <Delvien> cstoner yep
[01:53] <cstoner> Can you mount it under windows to do a fsck(or whatever it would be in win)?
[01:56] <Ghoul> o boy again i can't connect to the net via wireless (dhcp) again, for no particular reason how hard can it be knetwork manager! {
[01:57] <Ghoul> my frustration is the inability to pinpoint the problem; sometimes i restart and it works, sometimes it dosent
[01:57] <Ghoul> it stalls at 'Activation Stage: IP configuration started'
[01:58] <cstoner> Anyone here using project-neon?
[01:58] <cstoner> Ghoul: Is your encryption set up right?
[01:58] <Ghoul> cstoner: encription, what do you mean?\
[01:58] <Ghoul> yes, wpa network..
[01:59] <cstoner> Ghoul: Latest firmware on your router?
[01:59] <Ghoul> hmm that could be it.. although i'm living with some roommates and i can't touch it
[02:00] <Ghoul> i'm just given the password
[02:00] <Ghoul> but i don't think that's the problem
[02:00] <Ghoul> previously i used ubuntu
[02:00] <Ghoul> and it was perfect every time
[02:00] <Ghoul> had internet no matter how many restarts or whatever
[02:00] <cstoner> what are you using now?
[02:01] <Ghoul> problems started with kubuntu
[02:01] <Ghoul> i'm using a 2nd windows laptop :)
[02:01] <cstoner> are you using the 4.1 packages, then?
[02:01] <Ghoul> nope 8.04
[02:01] <Ghoul> hardy :/
[02:01] <Ghoul> my other laptop is kinda weak.. 256 ram
[02:01] <cstoner> so is that kde3.5?
[02:02] <Ghoul> yup
[02:02] <cstoner> I never had good luck with the knetworkmanager in 3.x
[02:02] <Ghoul> runs surprisingly well; it makes better use of the resources than xp ..
[02:03] <cstoner> Can you pick up roaming signals? There any open networks to connect to?
[02:03] <Ghoul> k, guess knetworkanager has some issues
[02:03] <Ghoul> hmm let me try again
[02:04] <Guest23104> !neon
[02:05] <samuel> hi
[02:05] <Ghoul> nope; just can't connect to any wireless :(
[02:06] <cstoner> Ghoul: You could always try to set it up manually with /etc/interfaces and then use ifup (way icky...)
[02:07] <Ghoul> cstoner: did that too.. ifconfig ath0 up/down and customizing all the things over and over
[02:08] <cstoner> no luck, i take it?
[02:08] <Ghoul> but again that's not pinpointing the problem :/ stable internet connection i think is the top priority
[02:08] <cstoner> yeah
[02:08] <Ghoul> the internet was fins after some restarts and manual ifconfig up/downs
[02:09] <Ghoul> now after another system start it disappeared just as strangely
[02:09] <nuTux> 
[02:09] <cstoner> What does your /etc/network/interfaces look like?
[02:10] <Ghoul> hmm haven't added anything there
[02:11] <Ghoul> ok, i'll add there ath0 (my wireless interface with the according settings and restart)
[02:11] <cstoner> Ghoul: is normal NetworkManager available?
[02:12] <Ghoul> yes
[02:12] <Ghoul> knetworkmanager stalls at assigning an ip
[02:13] <cstoner> Try using just NetworkManager. It's the one from GNOME and it worked better under hardy for me
[02:13] <wesley> x264 is cleary better then a xvid encode
[02:14] <Ghoul> cstoner: tried that also several times :) no luck either
[02:14] <Ghoul> trying it right now
[02:15] <Lokki> Question, why is it that even when set to automatically connect the network manager in 8.10 won't connect to a network with SSID broadcast off
[02:15] <Lokki> (but manually connecting works fine)
[02:15] <Ghoul> my guess is that i dont' have the linux intuition yet :) i'm quite new ti this
[02:15]  * Guest23104 hugs Ghoul
[02:16] <Ghoul> i appreciate it Guest23104 :)
[02:19] <mister-tea> every time I boot I need to fix x in recovery mode to boot. I have an intel 845 integrated vidieo chipset. I have read much about fixing on google and some say to remove usplash. When I try to edit usplash in kate , it's empty.????
[02:19] <Ghoul> alright; i edited /etc/network/interfaces lets see if some magic happens and i got some internet :)
[02:20] <killermach> how do I update kubuntu from the command line?
[02:20] <cstoner> Ghould: don't forget the sacrifice! There is no substitute for a *real* virgin
[02:20] <Lokki> cstoner: will that help me too?
[02:20] <cstoner> killermach: "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"
[02:20] <cstoner> Lokki: Only one way to find out ;)
[02:20] <killermach> cstoner: thanks.
[02:20] <cstoner> killermach:
[02:20] <Ghoul> sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[02:21] <Ghoul> :)
[02:21] <cstoner> ack! That one
[02:21] <Lokki> cstoner: does it have to be a virgin if you use KDE or only for GNOME?
[02:21] <Lokki> Also, how many virgins do you need to quit VI?
[02:21] <cstoner> I dunno about the vi thing... I use goats for emacs
[02:22] <Lokki> Well Emacs is a lesser evil, so goats probably work fine there
[02:23] <Lokki> I ended up getting out of VI by opening another konsole window and killing the process
[02:23] <cstoner> reall? I "ESC ESC ESC :q!"
[02:23] <Guest23104> Lokki: shift ZZ
[02:24] <Ghoul> nope C-x c here :)
[02:24] <Lokki> cstoner:  and Guest23104: I don't know Vi
[02:24] <Lokki> I only know emacs
[02:24] <inanimate> What setting actually makes the panel transparent?
[02:25] <Ghoul> emacs looked good under windows; the ugly nix fonts are killing me here :)
[02:25] <Lokki> I'm used to ugly fonts :p
[02:25] <inanimate> It has something to do with Desktop Effecs, but I can't find the specific effect that does it. (Only the fact that it isn't when they're disabled.)
[02:25] <cstoner> I only know very basic vi
[02:26] <Ghoul> thus giving kde a try.. the default fonts are way more usable :)
[02:27] <cstoner> inanimate: "Translucency" Under System Settings -> Desktop -> All Effects (tab)
[02:27] <cstoner> at least in 4.2beta2
[02:28] <inanimate> cstoner: Hmm... That doesn't do it in 4.1. Maybe they changed it.
[02:28] <inanimate> Out of curiosity, does the configuration in 'Translucency' offer specific config for the panel?
[02:32] <cstoner> funny story... It isn't "translucency" at all. In related news, I'm pretty sure there's a race condition in the Effects plugin code
[02:33] <draik> How do I clear konqueror's cache?
[02:38] <inanimate> cstoner: Interesting... So you didn't find anything else, I assume. And what do you think the race condition is?
[02:39] <mister-tea> never mind I got the info I needed to fix my x problem from ubottu. Thanks ubottu. great bot!
[02:39] <cstoner> inanimate: I have NO idea. I turned off translucency and it temporarilly made my panel opaque. When switching quickly twice (off->on->off or whatever) it froze plasma (and with it my keyboard input)
[02:40]  * cstoner attempts to reproduce...
[02:40] <inanimate> Heh... Oh.
[02:41] <inanimate> I feel like I could make KDE crash and burn by doing things like that. (Quickly enabling and disabling things. I'm pretty sure I did it earlier.)
[02:41] <inanimate> In which case, maybe KDE is one huge race condition.
[02:41] <cstoner> most software is if you look hard enough :)
[02:44] <aib> anyone know where to get libopcodes?
[02:46] <e-head> I'm going to start a distro called "poisonbuntu" that uses ratpoison for it's window manager
[02:46] <inanimate> cstoner: Were you able to reproduce it?
[02:46] <cstoner> no
[02:48] <inanimate> Hmm... Well, I guess the panel will be arbitrarily transparent from here out...
[02:49] <eric> ?
[02:51] <cstoner> inanimate: From what i can tell, there is probably a "if (comp-enabled) then use-alpha-from-svg-file else no-alpha" somewhere
[02:51] <cstoner> you could always look at the panel svg for the theme you're using
[02:53] <Guest23104> cstoner: What's up with translucency?
[02:53] <cstoner> the plugin?
[02:53] <cstoner> or the panel translucency
[02:54] <ectospasm> I've got a problem with resolvconf...  when I start my vpn connection, it appears that resolvconf is only partially overwriting /etc/resolv.conf...
[02:54] <Guest23104> Panel
[02:54] <ectospasm> and it seems to be missing key information (namely, the "search" and "domain" lines in /etc/resolv.conf)
[02:54] <cstoner> Guest23104: There doesn't seem to be a way to toggle it other than completely enabling/disabling desktop effects
[02:55] <Guest23104> cstoner: Change your theme
[02:56] <cstoner> Yeah, inatimate was just wondering if there was any other way to do it
[03:04] <benbloom> anyone use kkubuntu for vvideo  editing??
[03:05] <Guest23104> !ubuntustudio
[03:05] <cstoner> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/?p=211 <-- W00T! I've been wondering about this
[03:13] <chano> oi
[03:19] <killermach> hmm.. cannot figure out how to fix this
[03:19] <killermach> vncpasswd: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:20] <killermach> I get that error after "vncserver -V"
[03:26] <killermach> hmm.. how do I reinstall vnc-common?
[03:27] <cstoner> you could always try a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure vnc-common"
[03:27] <killermach> cstoner: aah.. thanks.. I have used that to fix my xserver some time back
[03:28]  * cstoner just realized how bad he should be out meeting girls instead of spouting random linux voodoo
[03:28] <killermach> ouch
[03:28] <killermach> usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: vnc-common is broken or not fully installed
[03:29] <killermach> I tried dpkg deinstall vnc-common..   .. to remove it.. but it did not do the trick
[03:29] <cstoner> try "sudo apt-get remove vnc-common"
[03:30] <killermach> and dpkg-reconfigure gives error that the package is broken or not installed fully
[03:31] <killermach> hmm..
[03:31] <killermach> Note, selecting vnc4-common instead of vnc-common
[03:31] <killermach> Package vnc4-common is not installed, so not removed
[03:31] <killermach> something so simple has turned tragic
[03:32] <killermach> I've been using vncserver for years (many) but kubuntu is proving to be a struggle
[03:32] <cstoner> ick! Maybe try an apt-get clean
[03:33] <killermach> how do I tell what package installed this file ... /usr/local/bin/vncserver
[03:33] <killermach> trying clean
[03:34] <killermach> no joy
[03:35] <cstoner> Looks like a "dpkg-query -S vncserver" should let you know what installed it
[03:36] <killermach> thanks.. I'm steadily reading "man dpkg", I'm learning dpkg, past experience is rpm systems since 1998
[03:37] <killermach> thanks for the help
[03:37] <cstoner> no problem... gives me an excuse to find out myself
[03:37] <cstoner> fish (the shell) helps a lot, too
[03:42] <killermach> hmm.. that found tightvncserver, so I removed it.. but still have vncserver on my path.. and running it gets
[03:42] <killermach> error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:42] <killermach> error
[03:44] <cstoner> type "which vncserver" is it still the one in /usr/local/bin ?
[03:49] <killermach> hmm.. this is a tad irritating
[03:49] <killermach> a good ol' "rpm -f /usr/local/bin/vncserver" would find the package on an rpm system
[03:50] <killermach> followed by a "rpm -e --nodeps vncserver"  would remove it w/ no question or error
[03:52] <benbloom> !ubuntustudio
[03:53] <cstoner> /usr/local tends to be a place where non-apted stuff gets installed (manual/script install). Is there any other binaries there?
[03:53] <benbloom> anyone recommend a simple solution for video editing (mixed media photos, some avi and mp3) besides KDEnlive?
[03:54] <killermach> all vnc* files in /usr/local/bin/
[03:55] <cstoner> Try moving /usr/local to /usr/local_bak that should get them out of your path
[03:55] <killermach> ah. ha.. looooook what I find in my history | grep vnc
[03:55] <killermach>  tar xvzf /data/tech/software/utilities/remote_desk/realvnc/free/linux/vnc-4_1_3-x86_linux.tar.gz
[03:56] <cstoner> that is definately the culprit
[04:05] <killermach> ok.. I have vncserver.. but what I'm looking to do is to connect to my already running kde desktop login
[04:05] <killermach> any clues?
[04:07] <killermach> actually I take that .. back.. I have recently rebooted from remote.. there is no local login on that box now
[04:07] <dennister_> hey channel, can someone pls tell me which package needs to be reinstalled to get System-settings-->Advanced -->System services module back?
[04:10] <dennister_> this is still a relatively new install, and the module disappeared/got orphaned after mythtv installation
[04:13] <dennister_> BluesKaj: how r u? long time no chat
[04:18] <dennister_> genii: r u busy by any chance? I've forgotten which app provides the system services module for kcontrol...it got orphaned somehow
[04:19] <sono_un_pirla> hello
[04:19] <sono_un_pirla> !list
[04:19] <dennister_> looking at kde-guidance, and of all the modules it lists, the only module that's not working here is system services
[04:22] <dennister_> hey channel, i could really use some help here...it's been awhile since I had a mythtv installation and things have changed a lot since then
[04:22] <BluesKaj> hi dennister , how's things ?
[04:23] <dennister_> BluesKaj: hi :) i just tried to talk to you in the kubuntu channel...how's ur xmas season shaping up?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> mythtv ..uhm ..scary :)
[04:23] <dennister_> lol...u pinged me from kubuntu
[04:23] <BluesKaj> good thx , andd yours ?
[04:24] <dennister_> not the greatest i'm afraid...my cat's dying and I still have to get this system out the door by tomorrow night
[04:24] <BluesKaj> pinged ? not I
[04:24] <dennister_> never mind the pinging...my misunderstanding
[04:24] <BluesKaj> sorry about your cat dennister_ ..bummer :(
[04:25] <dennister_> needless to say, what with the vet's bad news, I've been distracted and know already that I made one error in setting up the pc
[04:25] <dennister_> yeah...kidney failure...she's almost 14, and even though my son's paying the vet bill, we could end up putting her down any day
[04:26] <dennister_> but anyway...do u know the kde app that will restore system services module? it disappeared/got orphaned after the mytht software install
[04:26] <BluesKaj> i has considered mythtv before i bought a tivo and discovered a python app called pytivo ..great software hack written for tivo serving and client side as well
[04:27] <BluesKaj> not the services manager in system settings ?
[04:27] <dennister_> i had one back when I still had cable and when data direct was still giving us the data feeds...i really loved it...
[04:28] <dennister_> yes, services manager in kcontrol is what got orphaned
[04:28] <dennister_> i want it back! lol
[04:30] <BluesKaj> no clue I'm afraid , maybe use the find cmnd in terminal ..dunno for sure
[04:31] <rtra> damn, kde is great
[04:32] <hadez2000> hi ! does anyone know how to install my ZTE ZXDSL 852 usb modem with the use of ubudsl?
[04:33] <dennister_> hadez2000: not me i'm afraid
[04:33] <hadez2000> howcome?
[04:33] <dennister_> and now my amarok has stopped working, too...will only play one of 2 songs in the Music folder
[04:34] <hadez2000> oh..comone please guys !!!
[04:35] <dennister_> hadez2000: we would if we could...it's quieter than usual i here tonight, probably because most people have lives at christmas
[04:35] <dennister_> i could use some help myself
[04:37] <hadez2000> does anyone know wat ubudsl is?
[04:37] <killermach> !ubudsl
[04:43] <Makuseru> !.ace
[04:48] <BluesKaj> hadez2000, try this tutorial, http://neodil.blogspot.com/2007/03/usb-modem-zte-zxdsl-852-install-success.html
[04:50] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me ..nite
[04:55] <hadez2000> got it thanks
[05:01] <rtra> what's the name of the menu that pops up on alt-tab ?
[05:51] <Colonel_Panic> why does my kde 4 panel have window decs around it, and how can I get rid of them?
[05:52] <Colonel_Panic> plasma seems to be extremely buggy/
[05:53] <Colonel_Panic> it crashes all the time. Is there a way to just turn it off? It's far more trouble than it's worth
[06:00] <ddrt> hiya
[06:02] <Colonel_Panic> why does my kde 4 panel have window decs around it, and how can I get rid of them?
[06:02] <Colonel_Panic> KDE 4 is a piece of crap
[06:03] <hyper_ch> Colonel_Panic: you just can't handle it ;)
[06:04] <Colonel_Panic> I heh
[06:04] <Colonel_Panic> If I wanted this much crap getting in the way of me using my mahcine, I'd be running Windows
[06:04] <Colonel_Panic> I'm going to switch to fluxbox
[06:04] <Colonel_Panic> eff this
[06:05] <hyper_ch> whatever you're happy with
[06:08] <PSiL0> Colonel_Panic:  hmm, yeah.. It usually takes two installs for fglrx to install correctly for me
[06:08] <Colonel_Panic> two installs?
[06:08] <Colonel_Panic> I upgraded via apt, but something broke so I had to reinstall
[06:08] <PSiL0> Colonel_Panic:  If it immediately borks after starting up the first time, I just reinstall
[06:09] <PSiL0> hmm, what did you upgrade?
[06:09] <Colonel_Panic> yeah, well now KDE4 (especially this "plasma" piece of shite) keeps crashing and gives me other trouble
[06:09] <PSiL0> I must say that openoffice upgrade was a disaster.. easier to simply install the deb package from their website
[06:10] <Colonel_Panic> Hardy -> Intrepid
[06:10] <PSiL0> hmmmm, intrepid is my first exposure to kubuntu
[06:10] <snarkster> has anyone got the weather plasmoid to work?
[06:10] <snarkster> or is that still broken
[06:11] <hyper_ch> I'd update to kde 4.2
[06:11] <snarkster> is that for me?
[06:11] <snarkster> PSiL0: how do you like it so far?
[06:11] <PSiL0> snarkster:  It works great after successfully installing fglrx
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> the weather plasmoid won't connect to the weather feeds
[06:12] <snarkster> PSiL0: lucky you have an ati card.
[06:12] <snarkster> Colonel_Panic: that what i was thinking.. so still broken.
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> there seems to be more stuff broke in this version than stuff that works
[06:12] <hyper_ch> snarkster: nah, that still seems not to work in 4.2... but why do you need that, can't you look outside?
[06:12] <PSiL0> hmm, I compiled one from kde-looks (weather plasmoid), and it connected to the weather server fine
[06:12] <snarkster> whew thought I was the only one
[06:12] <PSiL0> then again, that was a few weeks ago
[06:12] <Colonel_Panic> KDE 4 sucks ass
[06:13] <snarkster> hyper_ch: yes I can look outside.. LOL but i wanted to get a forecast as Im traveling
[06:13] <PSiL0> snarkster:  well, I just have to know when to turn off desktop effects for certain apps (wine, google earth, etc)
[06:13] <Colonel_Panic> it's just as goofy as Vista with all the pointless features, and it's like 100 times as buggy
[06:13] <hyper_ch> snarkster: :)
[06:13] <Colonel_Panic> that is NOT what I use Linux for
[06:13] <PSiL0> snarkster:  well, my ati card came with my laptop, so I didn't have a choice at the time..
[06:13] <snarkster> Colonel_Panic: thanx for shareing that
[06:14] <snarkster> PSiL0: I had a choice and made the wrong choice
[06:14] <Colonel_Panic> heh well I'd prefer not to bitch
[06:14] <PSiL0> Colonel_Panic:  You would rather panic?
[06:14] <Colonel_Panic> but I figure if I complain loudly enough then something might get domne about it
[06:14] <snarkster> so would the rest of us. LOL... just kidding dude
[06:14] <snarkster> this is true
[06:14] <hyper_ch> Colonel_Panic: you could fix that
[06:14] <hyper_ch> Colonel_Panic: the source is there ;)
[06:15] <snarkster> do they use ruby to make these guis?
[06:15] <rtra> what's the name of the menu that pops up on alt-tab ?
[06:15] <snarkster> or is it pure QT
[06:15] <snarkster> task switcher
[06:16] <rtra> thanks snarkster
[06:16] <snarkster> its been called that for over 30 years
[06:16] <Colonel_Panic> yeah
[06:16] <snarkster> in other os of course.
[06:16] <PSiL0> snarkster: kde's gui is derived from qt, no?
[06:16] <Colonel_Panic> it's for selecting among running apps
[06:16] <snarkster> well yes the widgets are QT, but i didnt know about the rest of the window
[06:17] <Colonel_Panic> I have to say I'm really disappointed in KDE
[06:17] <snarkster> Colonel_Panic: feel free to drop back to 3.5x
[06:17] <Colonel_Panic> it used to be fairly solid, and seemed to place a high priority on functionality
[06:18] <Colonel_Panic> these days, it seems like they're trying to play "keep up with the joneses" with Microsoft
[06:18] <snarkster> i do have to agree with that, but kde4 is the future
[06:18] <Colonel_Panic> the future of crap, maybe
[06:18] <snarkster> lol
[06:18] <Colonel_Panic> but then crap hasn't changed much in millions of years
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Colonel_Panic: no one hinders you to continue using 23.5
[06:18] <hyper_ch> 3.5
[06:19] <snarkster> and you my friend will be king of the sh** pile
[06:19] <Colonel_Panic> no, I'm going to check out the new Enlightenment
[06:19] <Colonel_Panic> I used to like that one, back in the day
[06:19] <snarkster> yah I have the VM.. its nice
[06:19] <snarkster> but it has some issues as well
[06:19] <snarkster> besides its gnome based
[06:19] <Colonel_Panic> maybe I'll just use fluxbox
[06:20] <snarkster> yah i found out that XFCE is gnome based as well.. that was not a good ride
[06:20] <snarkster> is fluxbox gnome based?
[06:21] <rtra> neither
[06:21] <Colonel_Panic> yeah... I don't really like GTK+ much
[06:21] <rtra> its based on blackbox
[06:21] <snarkster> they cant seem to find a happy medium in the settings.. kde is ultra configurable, gtk is so dumbed down a rock could use it
[06:21] <Colonel_Panic> My machine is plenty fast, but KDE4 is laggy, poorly-designed and broken
[06:22] <PSiL0> well, snarkster, kde lost a bit of its configurability with the release of 4
[06:22] <snarkster> hmm my machine is ultra fast and kde is neather laggy nor broken most of the time
[06:22] <snarkster> right but kde 4.0 wasnt really ready for realse either
[06:22] <PSiL0> my laptop is over a year old and kde works fine, just video card issues with the fglrx driver
[06:22] <Colonel_Panic> my desktop apps all worked fine before this last reinstall
[06:22] <snarkster> release
[06:22] <hyper_ch> my machine isn't ultra-fast any kde 4 runs nicely
[06:23] <PSiL0> fglrx = good for 3D; radeonhd = good for everything else
[06:23] <Colonel_Panic> have you had any trouble with plasma crashing?
[06:23] <snarkster> well this machine is like 5 months old.. not a bad machine other than the intel video card
[06:23] <snarkster> yah plasma has crashed on me several times..
[06:23] <PSiL0> snarkster: ouch.. I feel your pain (regarding your intel chip)
[06:23] <Colonel_Panic> I'm going to try restarting my computer
[06:24] <snarkster> dont restart shutdown and comes back
[06:24] <Colonel_Panic> liksten to me, I'm sounding like a Windows user
[06:24] <Colonel_Panic> talk to you all later
[06:24] <snarkster> but i expect there to be bugs
[06:24] <snarkster> later dude
[06:24] <PSiL0> it took kde 3 awhile before it became stable
[06:25] <szrhawaii> mine is running good now that i turned off the desktop effects
[06:25] <snarkster> yah I remember kde1..
[06:25] <snarkster> yah DE seems to cause a few issues..
[06:25] <szrhawaii> yep
[06:25] <PSiL0> I wish fglrx played nice with DE when it came to wine and 3D apps
[06:25] <snarkster> and things like googleearth dont work.. that doesnt make any sense
[06:26] <hyper_ch> he should update to 4.2
[06:26] <hyper_ch> but gone he is
[06:26] <PSiL0> yeah, googleearth was like flickering death when DE was on..
[06:26] <szrhawaii> i rather just have compiz running then the desktop effects cause it takes less to run for some reason and the system runs fast after i turned that offf
[06:26] <snarkster> well 4.2 beta 2.. 4.2 beta 1 caused me all sorts of issues
[06:26] <snarkster> thats a kwin problem
[06:26] <PSiL0> I wonder if I can program a keyb shortcut to turn off DE
[06:26] <Parlotti> mutt keeps saving all sent messages to my home directory, how do I stop this?
[06:27] <snarkster> when i play wine games, kwin crashes
[06:27] <hyper_ch> snarkster: 4.2 beta 1 run fine, 4.2 beta 2 even better
[06:27] <szrhawaii> hey i forgot how to get to the damn screensaver option
[06:27] <szrhawaii> can someone point me in the direction
[06:27] <snarkster> remove mutt and use thunderbird
[06:27] <PSiL0> szrhawaii:  How is kde 4.1.x with compiz running?
[06:27] <hyper_ch> szrhawaii: isn't that in the system control
[06:27] <hyper_ch> system settings I mean
[06:27] <szrhawaii> i thought it was but i cant find it
[06:27] <snarkster> i do miss things like kcontrol panel
[06:27] <szrhawaii> and compiz runs smooth with it
[06:28] <szrhawaii> better than the kwin
[06:28] <snarkster> you could find anyhting in there easy
[06:28] <szrhawaii> yeah i miss the kcontol myself
[06:28] <snarkster> but with compiz running things like googleearth dont work
[06:28] <szrhawaii> not sure about that
[06:28] <hyper_ch> szrhawaii: system settings --> desktop
[06:28] <szrhawaii> i dont use that feature
[06:29] <hyper_ch> off to work, cya
[06:29] <snarkster> cya
[06:29] <szrhawaii> duh i so missed by that earlier
[06:29] <szrhawaii> maybe i should read more careful huh hyper
[06:29] <szrhawaii> cya
[06:30] <szrhawaii> snarkster what system you using
[06:30] <szrhawaii> 3.5 or 4.1
[06:30] <PSiL0> hyper_ch: shouldn't it be in system settings->advanced->session manager?
[06:30] <snarkster> 4.2 beta 2
[06:30] <szrhawaii> no he was right
[06:31] <szrhawaii> its system setting>desktop>screen saver
[06:31] <PSiL0> ahh, I thought you were looking for compiz (4.1.3 here)
[06:31] <szrhawaii> no
[06:31] <PSiL0> my bad
[06:31] <snarkster> 4.1.85 here
[06:31] <snarkster> :P
[06:31] <snarkster> FTW
[06:31] <szrhawaii> that i know where it is
[06:31] <szrhawaii> i use that more than the basic kwin
[06:32] <snarkster> szrhawaii: what are you looking for again?
[06:32] <szrhawaii> i found it
[06:32] <szrhawaii> i keep overlooking some of the small features in here
[06:33] <White_Pelican> evertime I launch kde 4.2 beta 2, I see a program called akonadi server
[06:33] <White_Pelican> it always crashes
[06:33] <White_Pelican> what is it?
[06:33] <snarkster> !akonadi
[06:33] <dilan> how can i install mp3 support in kubuntu 8.10?
[06:34] <snarkster> dilan if you install amarok it should do that for you
[06:34] <White_Pelican> thanks anyway
[06:34] <snarkster> its a collaboration thingy
[06:34] <szrhawaii> akonadi is a console
[06:34] <White_Pelican> I have to admit, kde 4.2 is looking a lot better
[06:35] <snarkster> http://polishlinux.org/kde/kde-4-progress-new-plasmoids-akonadi-krunner-and-more/
[06:35] <szrhawaii> sorry a personal information storage framework = Akonadi
[06:35] <White_Pelican> still isn't there yet, but getting closer
[06:36] <snarkster> yup not much more and itll be really nice
[06:38] <White_Pelican> I just saw the program kpatience
[06:38] <White_Pelican> nice
[06:38] <White_Pelican> can't wait to try some more of my old favorites
[06:38] <White_Pelican> but will miss kpoker
[06:38] <snarkster> ok im going to bed.. good night
[06:39] <szrhawaii> does anyone know the file name for the ico converter to png is
[06:40] <szrhawaii> i saw it once on the list then i forgot to download it when i was looking at it
[06:43] <dilan> i'm stil here ..............waitiing to be answered !!!
[06:43] <szrhawaii> oh is that for amarok
[06:43] <szrhawaii> theres a file
[06:43] <szrhawaii> you need
[06:44] <szrhawaii> dilan theres a file let me find out which one it is
[06:47] <szrhawaii> dilan do you have amarok
 its called libmp3lame0
[06:49] <szrhawaii> libmp3lame0 is the file your looking for dilan
[06:54] <szrhawaii> anyone know of a good file to download for making iso files
[06:57] <dilan> how can i install my sound card HDA Intel (ALC662 Analog)?
[06:59] <szrhawaii> what you mean
[06:59] <szrhawaii> like manually
[06:59] <szrhawaii> or software
[07:00] <dilan> i jz wanna click a file & install the drivers
[07:00] <szrhawaii> does anyone know the name of the ico to png and png to ico converter
[07:00] <szrhawaii> so your looking for a software tool
[07:01] <dilan> yes
[07:05] <tbr281> this might not be the right place to ask but does anyone know if Amarok 2 supports portable media plays such as ipod's?
[07:05] <szrhawaii> so your sound card isnt automatically hooking up dilan
[07:06] <lolipop> i know
[07:07] <szrhawaii> read up on the file ipodslave tbr281
[07:08] <szrhawaii> see if thats what your looking for
[07:08] <PSiL0> !amarok
[07:08] <PSiL0> there's a #amarok
[07:08] <dilan> starting sound comes but when i inserted an audio cd sound doesn't come
[07:09] <tbr281> already tried the amarok channel with no luck
[07:10] <szrhawaii> tbr281 try ipodslave in your package manager just read it before you do anything
[07:10] <szrhawaii> to see if thats what your talking about
[07:10] <szrhawaii> dilan what do you have 3.5 or 4.1
[07:11] <tbr281> will ipod slave import my tunes with album cover?
[07:11] <szrhawaii> not sure you might want to look up on it first
[07:11] <tbr281> ok thnx
[07:12] <dilan> what?
[07:13] <szrhawaii> it says enables kio aware linux apps like konqueror and amaork to acess music stored on an apple ipod. It further allows you to organize playlist and upload tracks. To have access to your IPOD mount (some distros do this automatically when the iPod gets unplugged in) and open the URL "ipod:/"
[07:14] <szrhawaii> tbr281 thats what it says
[07:14] <szrhawaii> are you running kde 3.5 or kde 4.1 dilan
[07:15] <dilan> i use kubuntu 8.10 i don't know the kde version
[07:15] <qsrv> hi
[07:15] <szrhawaii> its 4.1
[07:16] <qsrv> I installed kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu 8.10 system (to check it out)
[07:16] <szrhawaii> does your cd read the files dilan
[07:16] <qsrv> however, when I log into kde, the numlock key is on
[07:16] <dilan> yes
[07:16] <qsrv> and I cant't find a place in the settings, where I could turn this off
[07:17] <viorel> hi
[07:18] <szrhawaii> your num lock is a toggle not a software if im not mistaken
[07:21] <szrhawaii> have you checked your system settings dilan
[07:22] <tbr281> anyone know of an app that would submit playlist to last.fm off ipod's?
[07:22] <dilan> wat settings
[07:22] <szrhawaii> system settings
[07:23] <szrhawaii> kmenu>system>system settings
[07:23] <szrhawaii> check sound and audio cds
[07:25] <szrhawaii> tbr281 type in ipod in your package manager
[07:25] <szrhawaii> something should come up if you look
[07:25] <tbr281> lol
[07:25] <tbr281> ok
[07:25] <szrhawaii> use the synaptic one though
[07:25] <tbr281> right
[07:25] <szrhawaii> the adept one doesnt show all the files
[07:26] <dilan> there's my soundcard
[07:26] <szrhawaii> is it on all of them
[07:26] <szrhawaii> or just one
[07:27] <Colonel_Panic> In KDE 4.2, how can I make my desktop contents be displayed on my desktop instead of confined inside a plasmoid?
[07:31] <p_quarles> Colonel_Panic: right-click on your desk, go to "appearance settings" and change the desktop to "Folder View"
[07:31] <p_quarles> that will make the desk essentially the same as with 3.5
[07:40] <dilan> wat should i do?
[07:42] <szrhawaii_> is it not working still play with the settings a little
[07:43] <szrhawaii_> dilan hey actually check kmixer first
[07:43] <szrhawaii_> if you have that
[07:43] <szrhawaii_> and look at the help book
[07:44] <szrhawaii_> see if kmix is working fine
[07:44] <szrhawaii_> then play with those other settings
[07:44] <szrhawaii_> sometimes its something small
[07:44] <szrhawaii_> or you are going to have to set your etc/cdrom0
[07:45] <szrhawaii_> properly
[07:50] <wers> what's the scanner app for kde4?
[07:52] <szrhawaii_> did you download one wers
[07:53] <wers> ok i found one
[07:53] <wers> installing kolourpaint
[07:54] <szrhawaii_> gimp is better just a preference
[07:54] <szrhawaii_> because the basic file set up is sane for scanners and it works with gimp easily
[07:55] <szrhawaii_> plus gimp does a lot of different things
[07:55] <wers> ooh
[07:55] <szrhawaii_> or you could have just downloaded xsane
[07:55] <wers> so i'm better off with xsane
[07:55] <wers> that's what i've been using
[07:55] <szrhawaii_> yeah or gimp
[07:56] <szrhawaii_> they all use sane
[07:56] <wers> yeah. i just miss kooka's nice interface
[07:56] <szrhawaii_> koulorpaint is alright
[07:56] <szrhawaii_> but its like a kids version
[07:56] <wers> but it's interface isn't designed for scanning
[07:57] <szrhawaii_> nah i dont think it is
[07:57] <szrhawaii_> i like gimp because it gives you the everything package that you can do everything graphical with
[07:58] <szrhawaii_> but it uses the sane base package with gimp shell
[07:59] <wers> oh well. i'm best off with xsane
[07:59] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:00] <szrhawaii_> have you tried quiteinsane
[08:00] <szrhawaii_> it says its a scanner access now easy
[08:01] <szrhawaii_> or eikazo
[08:02] <wers> what's quiteinsane?
[08:02] <wers> hah
[08:02] <wers> haha
[08:02] <szrhawaii_> i guess its the simpler version of xsane
[08:02] <JediatNight> whois jediatnight
[08:03] <szrhawaii_> check out the package manager details wers
[08:03] <szrhawaii_> it will tell you
[08:03] <wers> imma look for those apps
[08:03] <szrhawaii_> its a qt based x11 frontend for sane
[08:04] <szrhawaii_> they both use sane just like xsane
[08:04] <szrhawaii_> im still trying to find the ico to png converter in here forgot the name of the file does anyone know it
[08:06] <rohan> on (k)ubuntu 8.04 firefox 3.0.5 i am having a strange bug in wikipedia pages - the right border doesn't appear. can someone please reproduce the bug? http://bayimg.com/IaMKBAABJ here is a screenshot, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_scotia a sample page (see the Language table)
[08:13] <nick_> hello
[08:13] <nick_> I just installed kubuntu-desktop on a normal ubuntu install, but my compiz effects don't work anymore
[08:14] <szrhawaii_> on which side nick
[08:14] <szrhawaii_> both or just the new one
[08:14] <nick_> on my kubuntu side
[08:14] <szrhawaii_> thats the session switch download huh
[08:15] <szrhawaii_> where you log in through the session manager
[08:15] <nick_> I'm not sure
[08:15] <benner> hi
[08:15] <benner> where to submit kubuntu bugs?
[08:15] <szrhawaii_> try checking your settings to see if you see it in the settings
[08:15] <nick_> I'm a KDE newb
[08:15] <szrhawaii_> if not you might have to download it for that session also
[08:16] <nick_> download what?
[08:16] <nick_> Compiz?
[08:16] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:16] <nick_> oh
[08:16] <nick_> dang
[08:16] <szrhawaii_> unless you might need the kde-compiz
[08:16] <szrhawaii_> to work it
[08:16] <nick_> oh
[08:16] <nick_> I should try that package
[08:16] <szrhawaii_> do you got gnome on the backend
[08:16] <nick_> what do you mean?
[08:17] <szrhawaii_> gnome is your base
[08:17] <nick_> yes
[08:17] <nick_> and I downloaded compiz under GNOME
[08:17] <szrhawaii_> yeah then go back to that one and try downloading the kde extra settings for it also
[08:17] <szrhawaii_> so you can switch them
[08:17] <nick_> why can't I download it under gnome?
[08:18] <szrhawaii_> but check your kmenu>settings>desktop effects and make sure thats on in your new session
[08:18] <szrhawaii_> or your kde session
[08:18] <szrhawaii_> first
[08:19] <nick_> hhhmmm
[08:19] <szrhawaii_> then if that doesnt work then check for the compiz settings in kmenu>settings>advanced settings
[08:19] <nick_> I don't see that
[08:19] <nick_> I mean, I don't see that path
[08:19] <szrhawaii_> because kde 4.1 doesnt come with desktop effects
[08:19] <nick_> oh....
[08:19] <szrhawaii_> you have to download the package on your session with kde
[08:19] <nick_> that's my problem then
[08:19] <szrhawaii_> yep
[08:20] <nick_> so I have to download compiz again?
[08:20] <szrhawaii_> no
[08:20] <nick_> or is there some specific package for kde?
[08:20] <szrhawaii_> try doing the desktop effects in the package manager on your new session of kde first
[08:20] <szrhawaii_> are you on your kde session
[08:20] <nick_> I'm not following you
[08:20] <nick_> yes, I'm in KDE now
[08:21] <szrhawaii_> ok do you use terminal or package manager
[08:21] <nick_> depends on how i feel
[08:21] <nick_> usually terminal
[08:21] <szrhawaii_> ok well you need to download desktop-effects-kde
[08:21] <nick_> ok
[08:22] <szrhawaii_> so sudo apt-get install desktop-effects-kde
[08:22] <nick_> yeah
[08:22] <szrhawaii_> then after check kmenu>settings>desktop effects and turn on
[08:22] <szrhawaii_> hopefully that will work
[08:22] <nick_> OK, that kmenu thing confuses me
[08:22] <nick_> what's that?
[08:23] <szrhawaii_> oh thats the menu button
[08:23] <nick_> oh
[08:23] <szrhawaii_> it has a k on it
[08:23] <nick_> I don't see a "desktop effects" option
[08:23] <szrhawaii_> left hand bottom corner
[08:23] <szrhawaii_> did you download the file
[08:23] <nick_> oh! LOL
[08:23] <nick_> I'm such a newb. :P
[08:23] <szrhawaii_> yeah  thats the file for that
[08:23]  * nick_ smashes his head into the wall
[08:24] <nick_> ok, i'll download that then
[08:24] <szrhawaii_> lol
[08:24] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:24] <nick_> wait
[08:24] <nick_> where is the "desktop effects" thing?
[08:24] <szrhawaii_> waiting
[08:25] <nick_> oops
[08:25] <nick_> I mean
[08:25] <nick_> sorry
[08:25] <nick_> Where is the "settings" option?
[08:25] <szrhawaii_> have you downloaded the file
[08:25] <nick_> yes
[08:26] <nick_> but i meant to say where is the "settings" option
[08:26] <nick_> I don't see it
[08:26] <szrhawaii_> menu>application>settings
[08:26] <szrhawaii_> application will be at the bottom of the menu with the same icon as the package manager
[08:26] <szrhawaii_> then highlight settings
[08:27] <nick_> I installed  that package and I still don't see the "desktop effects" option
[08:28] <szrhawaii_> oh my bad its in system
[08:28] <nick_> lol
[08:28] <nick_> ok, that helps
[08:28] <szrhawaii_> menu>application>system
[08:28] <nick_> :)
[08:28] <szrhawaii_> im so used to kde 3.5
[08:28] <nick_> there it is!
[08:28] <nick_> that explains it
[08:28] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:28] <szrhawaii_> i just upgraded to this this weekend
[08:29] <szrhawaii_> so everything is in some odd ball places still
[08:29] <nick_> It says that I have to install compiz engine
[08:29] <nick_> So I'll do that
[08:29] <szrhawaii_> yeah just click install
[08:29] <nick_> but this looks like I'mm on the right track then
[08:29] <szrhawaii_> yep
[08:29] <nick_> if I have any more problems I'll bee back
[08:29] <szrhawaii_> yep
[08:29] <nick_> thanks a lot! :D
[08:30] <szrhawaii_> worst case scenario you will have to download the whole compiz feature
[08:30] <nick_> I hope i don't
[08:30] <szrhawaii_> oh another hint nick
[08:30] <nick_> I'm on an Eee PC and I'm almost out of SSD space!
[08:30] <szrhawaii_> you need to turn off the desktop effects in another setting or it will conflict and slow it down
[08:31] <szrhawaii_> why didnt you just do virtual machine instead
[08:31] <nick_> huh?
[08:31] <szrhawaii_> that way you get a full os on like 10gb of space
[08:31] <nick_> Why  would I do that?
[08:31] <szrhawaii_> rather than a whole session
[08:32] <szrhawaii_> which is like 40gb if im not mistaken
[08:32] <nick_> I don't know what you're talking about
[08:32] <nick_> I don't have 40GBs of space on this thing
[08:32] <szrhawaii_> depends how much packages you download with it
[08:33] <nick_> YAYY!!!It works! :D
[08:33] <nick_> now I'll fiddle with Compiz
[08:34] <nick_> Thanks srzhawaii
[08:34] <szrhawaii_> you gotta turn off another setting or it will conflict and slow down your system
[08:34] <szrhawaii_> heads up
[08:34] <nick_> what do you mean?
[08:34] <nick_> "another setting"?
[08:34] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:34] <nick_> I don't get it
[08:34] <szrhawaii_> go to menu>system>system settings>desktop
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> if you dont turn this off you will slow your system and it will run slow
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> and then when you open and close windows will take forever
[08:35] <nick_> OK...now what?
[08:35] <nick_> i'm there
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> desktop effects
[08:35] <nick_> disable them?
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> enable desktop effects
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:35] <nick_> ok
[08:35] <szrhawaii_> disable
[08:36] <nick_> that makes sense
[08:36] <nick_> I assume this is KDEs own compositing window manager
[08:36] <szrhawaii_> yeah cant have two desktop effects at the same time
[08:36] <szrhawaii_> yeah
[08:36] <nick_> right
[08:36] <nick_> alright
[08:36] <nick_> thanks
[08:36] <nick_> seriously, thanks a lot
[08:36] <nick_> I never would have figured it out without you
[08:37] <nick_> gotta go, bye!
[08:37] <szrhawaii_> i had to figure that the hard way
[08:37] <szrhawaii_> bye
[08:44] <hack> Some one know good dcpp client for kubunt?
[08:47] <Mamarok> hack: and dcpp would be? DriveCrypt?
[08:47] <hack> no dc++
[08:48] <hack> is kind of p2p
[08:48] <Mamarok> hack did you check for LinuxDc++?
[08:49] <hack> no... thx
[08:50] <Mamarok> hack: see here: https://launchpad.net/linuxdcpp
[09:00] <marek_> hi anybody tried to use aoe?
[09:00] <RurouniJones> Age Of Empire?
[09:01] <marek_> ata over ethernet
[09:34] <tdn> I am trying to get an HP LaserJet P1005 to work in 8.04. I add the printer via CUPS admin. The printer seems to be added just fine. When I try to print a test page, it shows in the print queue, but nothing happens on the printer. After a while, the  print job disappears from the print queue, but I get no error or anything. How do I debug this?
[09:42] <sorush20> flash isn't working in firefox any help?
[09:44] <RurouniJones> sorush20: Well, give us some details
[09:44] <RurouniJones> We aren't psychic
[09:44] <RurouniJones> Did it work before? Have you installed iet yet? What have you done recently that might have affected it
[09:45] <sorush20> I have firefox 3.0.5 it worked in firefox 3.0.4 I upgraded with apt and not flash sites do not work..
[09:47] <marek_> hi how can i change permissions, to allow normal user, not superuser to mount the devices?
[09:47] <sorush20> swfdec weorks but not fully
[09:47] <RurouniJones> How do the sites not work? Nothing? error?
[09:47] <sorush20> fps is low
[09:47] <Guest7529> flash       apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree    <- and flash work
[09:48] <sorush20> I just get a status message done on the status bar of firefox
[09:48] <RurouniJones> Try uninstalling and reinstalling the plugin
[09:50] <sorush20> I'm doing that now
[09:51] <sorush20> I have disabled the swfdec for mozilla but now I don't get any flash content loaded
[10:10] <rtra> updated kubuntu and got kubuntu 4.1,,, is it possible to go back to 3.x?
[10:10] <rtra> read kde ...
[10:10] <roland_> moin
[10:11] <roland_> ich versuche gerade einen mediastramserver (mtpcenter) aufzusetzen
[10:11] <d0htem> :o
[10:12] <roland_> wenn ich ihn aber als virtuellen Host ind die Apache httpd.config eintrage kann ich nicht mehr aucf mein Mythweb zugreifen :-(
[10:13] <roland_> was ist also nun der Unterschied zwischen einträgen in der httpd.conf und einträgen im Verzeichniss "sites-available"
[10:18] <sorush20> thats as much detail I can give you .
[10:19] <rtra> i don't know man
[10:19] <rtra> lost some settings
[10:19] <rtra> brb
[11:07] <ddphillips> Hi.  I have a small problem turning off the backlight of my X41 laptop off.  When I run "xset dpms force off", the backlight is properly turned off, but about a second later, the backlight is turned back on, and the screen is pained black... Any ideas?
[11:09] <ddphillips> I should probably ask this question in #ubuntu instead... sorry
[12:23] <Rasputin> my screen is auto detected as 900x600 but should be 1024x768, can i still put a line in xorg.conf and what would it be?
[12:42] <wathek> hey guys
[12:42] <wathek> any one can get qt4-assistant ?
[12:43] <wathek> coz when I try to download qt4-assistant I get this :
[12:43] <wathek> it says that qt4-assistant doesn't exist anymore
[12:44] <wathek> huh strange qt assistant seems to be installed !
[12:44] <wathek> it's ok I solved my prob thanx
[12:47] <guiterb> somebody here?
[12:48] <Guest83762> !compiz
[12:48] <guiterb> what is compiz?
[12:49] <guiterb> i dot't understand
[12:49] <Guest83762> it wasnt for you actually..
[12:49] <Guest83762> I just want to see the chanel for compiz-fusion that's all
[12:50] <Guest83762> guiterb: I am very new on linux.. but, just for curiosity.. do you have any question?
[12:51] <guiterb> i have no question
[12:51] <guiterb> i'm new too
[12:52] <guiterb> i just want to built the platform of the arm-linux-gcc
[12:53] <guiterb> it have many wrong when i compile the kernel of the linux 2.6.28
[12:53] <Guest83762> I have never try to compile a kernel of linux.. :(
[12:53] <ShishKabab> Hi. Could anyone tell me what 'cat /etc/issue' returns in Kubuntu 8.10?
Ubuntu 8.04.1 \n \l
[12:56] <ShishKabab> guiterb: Ok. So that's the same as in Ubuntu. Thanks!
[12:56] <guiterb> i use the 8.10
[12:56] <ShishKabab> guiterb: Oh. That's interesting....
[12:57] <guiterb> have you  ever compile the linux kernel
[12:57] <kyle__> Hey Guys, Does any one here know the location of my desktop wallpaper in intrepid, ie: Blue Curl
[12:57] <guiterb> who have ever used the bt3
[13:04] <ShishKabab> When I do sudo aptitude install <package>, how can I check (in a Bash script) whether the packages successfuly installed?
[13:06] <Mamarok> kyle__: it's in /usr/share/wallpapers/
[13:06] <kyle__> thanks Mamarok
[13:06] <Mamarok> ShishKabab: look at your screen when you do the install, it tells you :)
[13:07] <patricia> is do eppa
[13:08] <Mamarok> !de | patricia
[13:08] <Mamarok> too late :)
[13:08] <ShishKabab> Mamarok: I want to automate some things in a Bash script and exit when the packages weren't successfuly installed.
[13:09] <Mamarok> ShishKabab: exit what?
[13:09] <ShishKabab> Mamarok: The execution of the script.
[13:11] <Mamarok> ShishKabab: well, sounds more like a bash 101 course problem than a support question to me
[13:12] <ShishKabab> Mamarok: The problem is that Aptitude always returns 0, whether it failed or not.
[13:13] <Guest83762> someone here knows about about svn??
[13:13] <Mamarok> Guest83762: what do you want to know about svn?
[13:14] <Guest83762> mamarok: I have create a reposotiry in a server and know I wanto to make the first import.. I am using the follow command: svn import . svn+ssh://myacout@server/mypathdirectory -m  "initial import"
[13:14] <Mamarok> ShishKabab: sorry, sounds a bit too much to me, you can see if something installs on the screen, and get an error message when it doesn't what else do you need?
[13:14] <Mamarok> Guest83762: do you have an svn account?
[13:15] <Guest83762> I get: no repository found
[13:16] <Guest83762> mamarok: I didn't know I need a special svn account.. sorry
[13:16] <Guest83762> mamarok: I just connect with ssh to my account and create svnadmin create myrepository
[13:16] <Guest83762> mamarok: in my server acount
[13:16] <Mamarok> Guest83762: what svn server are you talking about ?
[13:17] <ShishKabab> Mamarok: An accurate exit code. I just discovered that apt-get doesn't have the problem.
[13:17] <Guest83762> mamarok: is a server in the university for student
[13:18] <Guest83762> mamarok: I connect to the server with ssh and I did create a svn repository
[13:18] <Mamarok> Guest83762: did you read the man page?
[13:18] <Guest83762> mamarok: no
[13:19] <dennister_> good morning channel....my system services module from kcontrol has become orphaned...anyone know the fix?
[13:19] <Mamarok> Guest83762: it might be useful I'd say
[13:19] <Guest83762> mamarok: but is something wrong with the all idea??
[13:20] <Mamarok> Guest83762: no, not wrong, but if you want to use svn you should document yourself a bit, and that's student homework, not a support question
[13:22] <Guest83762> well read a bit about it, there for I know this command, and it should work but I dont know why doesn't.. any way thanks you :)
[13:22] <Guest83762> *well I read
[13:22] <Mamarok> Guest83762: have you seen that you have a dot in your command?
[13:23] <Guest83762> becouse I am in the current directory where the files to import are
[13:23] <Mamarok> Guest83762: well, either there is no such repository or you don't have access rights
[13:24] <schiste> heya :)
[13:25] <gorgonizer> hello!
[13:25] <schiste> I've just installed 8.10 and KDE 4.1 and... my burner is not working. In fact I doubt my cdrom is even detected/mounted. I'd need some help in here :)
[13:25] <dennister_> good morning channel....my system services module from kcontrol has become orphaned...anyone know the fix?
[13:25] <gorgonizer> does anyone know if there is a way to speed the operations of the SQL database underlying Amarok 2?
[13:26] <Mamarok> schiste: what buring app are you using, k3b?
[13:26] <schiste> yep Mamarok
[13:26] <Mamarok> gorgonizer: ask in #amarok please
[13:27] <gorgonizer> okay, cheers :)
[13:27] <Mamarok> schiste: you might have to configure it first, did you?
[13:27] <schiste> k3b ? it doesn't detect any device :)
[13:28] <schiste> here is  /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0  my cat /etc/fstab if it's of any help
[13:29] <Mamarok> hm, strange... if you put a CD in the drive, does it show up in "recently plugged in devices"?
[13:29] <schiste> nope
[13:29] <krio> hi
[13:29] <schiste> just tried with an audiocd
[13:29] <krio> i have the question of the year
[13:30] <krio> i want to download an old version of kubuntu, the 7.04
[13:30] <Mamarok> hm, scd0 doesn't sound like a cd reader but more like a scsi drive
[13:30] <sito> where is a kooka in kde4¿
[13:30] <Mamarok> krio: second, I tell you the repo
[13:31] <jussi01> !info skanlite | sito, here is a replacement till kooka gets ported
[13:31] <Mamarok> kooka? not in kde4, change it's name
[13:31] <Mamarok> jussi01: :)
[13:32] <jussi01> :)
[13:32] <krio> it comes whit all upgrade or i can't upgrade it because is no long support?
[13:33] <Mamarok> krio: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/
[13:33] <Mamarok> krio: but keep in mind that downgrading is not supported
[13:34] <krio> mamarok: so no repository is available for this version?
[13:35] <Mamarok> krio: yes there is, but do you already run an earlier version?
[13:35] <Mamarok> krio: later version I mean
[13:35] <krio> i've got no hardwere
[13:36] <Mamarok> krio: ?
[13:36] <schiste> ok this is definitly weird, is there anyway so my computer detect my cdrom/dvd device and automount it
[13:36] <krio> old pentium 3 1 giga and 256 mb of ram
[13:36] <schiste> as it used to be for me on gutsy ^^
[13:38] <Mamarok> schiste: hm, sry, your fstab entry is correct, my bad
[13:39] <schiste> nope
[13:39] <schiste> I'm looking here and there and can't find why it's not working
[13:39] <Mamarok> krio: then I suggest you try Xubuntu instead of Kubuntu, as 256 mb ram is not much
[13:39] <krio> mamorok: i don't like the xface desktop
[13:40] <Mamarok> krio: but use a current release, no use to take 7.04
[13:40] <Mamarok> krio: upgrade your ram?
[13:40] <krio> no time to vaste to search the ram
[13:41] <krio> and if i find it comes to exoansive
[13:41] <Mamarok> krio: well, prepare to run very slow then, or use xfce
[13:42] <krio> mamarok: sorry but i've installed on my computer a 7.04 and it run fine
[13:42] <Mamarok> krio: and don't even try to use desktop effects, no way with so little ram
[13:42] <krio> the problem is that i've mistake something because
[13:42] <sito> jussi01 -> thanks!!!
[13:42] <krio> when i try to upgrade whit sinaptic something
[13:42] <krio> goes wrong
[13:43] <jussi01> sito: :)
[13:43] <Mamarok> krio:  what did you change?
[13:43] <Mamarok> krio: make sure all your sources.list entries point to feisty repositories
[13:43] <krio> i've used the bockports
[13:44] <krio> checing it fron the windows of sinaptic
[13:44] <Mamarok> krio: what error do you have then?
[13:44] <loic-m> Hi. Could someone with a default Intrepid Kubuntu install + Firefox try and report if backported flash plugins work for them on i386 and/or amd64 using the packages at Bug #310061 https://bugs.launchpad.net/intrepid-backports/+bug/310061 ?
[13:44] <dennister_> jussi01: good morning :) can you help me with an orphaned kcontrol module?
[13:45] <krio> four dependency or program is red because is not istall proprely
[13:45] <dennister_> it's system services that's not working...do u know which kde package needs to be reinstalled? or any other fix?
[13:45] <Mamarok> krio: did you try running the following in command line: sudo apt-get -f install ?
[13:46] <krio> mamarok: thanks but i see the watch is too late i've got to work
[13:46] <Mamarok> krio: try it later then :)
[13:46] <krio> can i see late this night?9 or 10 o clock?
[13:46] <caris_mere> For me Kpilot doesn't sync with kontact in KDE4, has anybody had any luck or know how to fix this?
[13:46] <Mamarok> what time is it now for you?
[13:47] <Mamarok> krio: there almost always is someone, just be patient
[13:47] <krio> 2.45 p.m.
[13:47] <dennister_> should there be a symlink or something between /dev/cdrom and the other two devices (/dev/cdrom0 and /dev/cdrom1)? obviously only one drive is likely to be playing at a time, but a lot of the multimedia apps are configured to /dev/cdrom...which doesn't apply to either of my drives as of yet
[13:47] <Mamarok> ditto here, so yes, I will probably be around
[13:48] <krio> ok thanks a lot guy
[13:48] <Mamarok> :)
[13:48] <krio> by.. by..
[13:48] <Mamarok> bye :)
[13:50] <dennister_> i mean, i had to change amarok's configuration from /dev/cdrom to /dev/cdrom1, but I'd like it to be able to play from /dev/cdrom0, too, whithout changing the configuration all the time
[13:52] <administrator> yo
[13:52] <wikki> anyone done a kubuntu install to a usb disk?
[13:53] <administrator> not yet
[13:53] <wikki> pendrive linux.com has some stuff
[13:54] <wikki> but not exactly what i'm looking for
[13:54] <administrator> he guys, i have a little problem, i clicked wrong on my taskbar and now the system tray is stretched  out and when I minimize a program you   can't see it there ...
[13:54] <Mamarok> schiste: in your /media/, is there only one cdrom entry?
[13:54] <Mamarok> administrator: what kde version?
[13:55] <administrator> the newest i think 4.1
[13:55] <schiste> Mamarok: yep
[13:55] <schiste> a /media/cdrom0
[13:55] <schiste> can make a ln -s for cdrom if needed
[13:56] <Mamarok> schiste: normally you should have a symlink to cdrom, indeed
[13:56] <BluesKaj> G'morning
[13:56] <administrator> can somebody help me please ? i don't want to install everything again :d
[13:56] <peabody> can someone help me with an intrepid audio problem? My inital sound gets cut short, and then when I try to watch videos, I get like a skipping echo.. it's like every sound is played 4 times. so so so so words words words words sound sound sound sound like like like like this this this this this I hope that's descriptive enough
[13:56] <dennister_> anyone able to help me with any of these probs?
[13:57] <Mamarok> administrator: click on the cashew in the right corner, there you can modify your settings for the taskbar
[13:57] <dennister_> BluesKaj: good morning :)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> hey dennister_ :)
[13:57] <Mamarok> dennister_: patience!
[13:57] <administrator> cashnew  ?
[13:58] <administrator> it doesn't help, i've tried a couple of things allready
[13:58] <Mamarok> peabody: you are talking about flash player videos?
[13:58] <dennister_> lol...been here 40 minutes and patient...only time i ever get anywhere these days is to remind pps of my patience!
[13:58] <Mamarok> administrator: tried a right click on your taskbar?
[13:59] <administrator> yes
[13:59] <Mamarok> dennister_: hey, we are all volunteers and not payed for what we do
[13:59] <solenskiner> hey, i need a pointer on how to make apps of different toolkit look the same. gtkapp-root, kde3app, kde3-root, and kde4app-root
[13:59] <dennister_> other people appear in channel, ask a question, and you in particular answer them right away
[13:59] <Mamarok> administrator: edit pannel settings
[13:59] <peabody> yeah
[13:59] <Mamarok> dennister_: I answer what I know :)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> peabody, sounds like a loopback in your sound setup ..look at alsa mixer in the konsole and play some sounds and fool with the vol controls and check your settings in kmix
[13:59] <dennister_> yes, and i volunteer all the time...too
[14:00] <administrator> and then ?
[14:00] <wikki> dennister_: did you check #amarok?
[14:00] <schiste> Mamarok: didn't changed a thing
[14:00] <dennister_> yes, and same non-results there...although one person at least answered me once :)
[14:00] <Mamarok> schiste: really strange, as the cd drive should be seen by default
[14:01] <schiste> yep
[14:01] <Mamarok> dennister_: I'm sorry, I can't help you as I don't know how to fix your problem, so you either wait for another volunteer to drop in or get payed support, I'm really sorry
[14:01] <schiste> That's what I don't understand. And that's why I came here^^ I usually come only when I can't find anything
[14:01] <dennister_> Mamarok: thanks
[14:01] <solenskiner> can i install kde3control center and use that to make kde3apps look as kde4?
[14:02] <chad> p]
[14:02] <BluesKaj> dennister_, ok what probs are you having again ?
[14:03] <dennister_> am in amarok channel...have only 2 songs in collection and playlist, amarok plays one fine but not the other...looks like it's playing, but no sound
[14:03] <Mamarok> administrator: if you choose edit panel settings, you can add/remove widgets
[14:04] <peabody> BluesKaj: Nothing seems to help. I turned on every audio device in the mixer and tried to mute everything then unmute one at a time
[14:04] <administrator> yeah i know but how can i get the taskbalk for programs back ?
[14:04] <dennister_> BluesKaj: second problem with amarok is that i have two drives, had to change amarok's config from /dev/cdrom to /dev/cdrom0 for it to play my audio cd
[14:05] <schiste> ok let's try a reboot
[14:05] <peabody> There's one device that has no mute or slider called Intmic
[14:05] <schiste> who knows...
[14:05] <Mamarok> administrator: all the apps in the panel are widgets, so just add the taskbar again
[14:05] <peabody> it's checked capture and will not uncheck
[14:05] <dennister_> shouldn't there be a symlink or something between /dev/cdrom and both optical drives so changing config of multimedia apps isn't necessary every time user switches drives?
[14:06] <solenskiner> how can i make kde3 and 4 apps visually alike? change kde3theme and colors from withing kde4?
[14:06] <Mamarok> solenskiner: you need the oxygen theme installed
[14:06] <administrator> ok i have it, thanks!
[14:06] <Mamarok> :)
[14:06] <solenskiner> i have it, but disliked the colourscheme, so i changed it.. how can i change kde3 colourscheme?
[14:07] <solenskiner> Mamarok: can i install the kde3control center?
[14:07] <Mamarok> solenskiner: in the system settings too
[14:08] <Mamarok> solenskiner: it should be installed by default
[14:08] <solenskiner> Mamarok: it only effects kde4apps..
[14:08] <Mamarok> solenskiner: so you talk about kde3 apps in kde4, do you?
[14:09] <solenskiner> Mamarok: yes. sorry if im a bit unclear
[14:09] <BluesKaj> dennister_, AFAIK /dev/cdrom0 is the deafault name for most drives , some are .dev/scd0 as well .
[14:09] <administrator> now i also have another question, i can't make my compiz effects work ...
[14:09] <BluesKaj> err /dev/scd0
[14:09] <Mamarok> solenskiner: if you use a global theme it should apply to all apps, except those that don't use Qt
[14:10] <administrator> and especially the cube doesn't work!
[14:10] <Mamarok> administrator: system settings ->desktop -> desktop effects
[14:10] <Mamarok> administrator: you need kde 4.2 beta for the cube
[14:11] <solenskiner> Mamarok: yeah it should.. but it dosn't.
[14:11] <Mamarok> there's no cube in 4.1.3 AFAIK
[14:11] <schiste> ok, still not working
[14:11] <administrator> why is that :s
[14:11] <Mamarok> solenskiner: what particular kde3 app are you talking about?
[14:11] <Mamarok> administrator: guess
[14:12] <solenskiner> Mamarok: konversation, amarok, kdevelop...
[14:12] <Mamarok> schiste: I'm really sorry, did you try to boot from your drive to check if it's working?
[14:12] <schiste> I installed ubuntu from a live cd yesterday :)
[14:12] <solenskiner> Mamarok: can i install the kcontrolcenter from kde3 and use that to change colourscheme
[14:12] <solenskiner> ?
[14:13] <Mamarok> solenskiner: no, not a good idea
[14:13] <schiste> Can try, but don't see why it worked just fine yesterday, and doesn't today ^^
[14:13] <Mamarok> solenskiner: konversation uses the oxygen colour scheme here....
[14:13] <dennister_> BluesKaj: yes, one drive is scd0; other is scd1, according to /dev/ directory both are linked to /dev/cdrom, but multimedia apps like amarok can't read the media unless soemthing other than /dev/cdrom is in the config
[14:13] <administrator> so compiz doesn''t work with this? can i do an update for kde 4.2 then ?
[14:14] <solenskiner> Mamarok: ok.. i have scheme oxygen and colorsscheme obsidian coast, but kde3apps are the default colourscheme
[14:14] <schiste> ok now it's REALY weird
[14:14] <Mamarok> administrator: try kde 4.2 beta 2, it works fine here, or else be patient for the next release :)
[14:15] <Mamarok> solenskiner: moment, I try this out
[14:15] <dennister_> BluesKaj: oops...let me correct myself: scd0 and scd1 are both in cdrom group...
[14:15] <schiste> It works. And the only think I've done is plugging in a new hard drive
[14:15] <administrator> how can i do that ? (i'm not used to linux yet)
[14:15] <solenskiner> Mamarok: ok, and thanks for taking the time and energy :)
[14:16] <schiste> soooooooooo
[14:16] <schiste> now it detects it as a cd burner but not as a dvd burner
[14:16] <solenskiner> Mamarok: ill be back in 10
[14:16] <Mamarok> solenskiner: I see what you mean, and no, there's no way to change that
[14:17] <solenskiner> Mamarok: ok.. but thanks :)
[14:17] <solenskiner> laters
[14:17] <Mamarok> schiste: did you trym to burn a dvd with k3b in simulation mode?
[14:18] <Mamarok> *try
[14:20] <schiste> trying
[14:20] <schiste> can't start
[14:20] <ded_> bonjour :)
[14:21] <Mamarok> !fr | ded_
[14:21] <schiste> the weird thing is, in the k3b conf, it's written the device can read and burn dvds
[14:21] <Mamarok> schiste: a hardware problem?
[14:21] <ded_> thank u ubottu
[14:21] <ded_> bye
[14:22] <schiste> Mamarok: could be... I hope not
[14:22] <Mamarok> neither do I
[14:22] <schiste> ^^
[14:22] <schiste> I'm gonne try to find a cd. See if it reads it
[14:25] <BluesKaj> administrator, Alt+F2 do : kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list , then add these repositories to your sources.list : and save , then do a sudo apt-get update : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-updates-testing/ubuntu intrepid main,  and , deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-updates-testing/ubuntu intrepid main
[14:26] <BluesKaj> bummer just missed him
[14:27] <BluesKaj> some ppl just have no patience ..instant gratification is a prob these days :(
[14:28] <Mamarok_> how nice, just got a crash on my laptop :(
[14:28] <Mamarok_> later
[14:28] <schiste> arf
[14:33] <Mamarok> back
[14:36] <eagles0513875> morning and greetings from texas Mamarok
[14:38] <Mamarok> hi eagles0513875
[14:41] <jluc> bonjour
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Mamarok , are you running the new amarok 2 ?
[14:43] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj:  i am
[14:43] <eagles0513875> just put  it on here this morning
[14:43] <BluesKaj> just curious about it's stablity
[14:44] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, did you just upgrade or totally reinstall ?
[14:44] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: on the kubuntu.org page there is the link to the ppa
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:45] <eagles0513875> that all i did it removed the 1.4 version that came with intrepid and installs 2
[14:45] <eagles0513875> want me to get the link for ya BluesKaj
[14:45] <BluesKaj> I'll find the the link
[14:45] <BluesKaj> gotta do some errands for a few mins ..bbl
[14:45] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i got the link
[14:46] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.0 had it open still form this am when i upgraded
[14:47] <schiste> LMAO
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok thx eagles0513875
[14:47] <schiste> Ok now it's just odd. My device is working fine.
[14:47] <schiste> And done anything to help it
[14:48] <Mamarok> schiste: wow, that really is great!
[14:48] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: I run svn
[14:48] <Mamarok> so it's more like 2.0.1 :)
[14:49] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: and it is very stable, never had a crash so far
[14:49] <wikki> someone take a look at this screen shot http://www.uploderx.net/x/31950/ is there a way to change how those buttons look?
[14:49] <wikki> and the tabs at the top
[14:49] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: dont jynx yourself
[14:50] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: ?
[14:50] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: i have found when i say stuff like that the opposite usually happens
[14:51] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: I'm not superstitious :)
[14:52] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: just wait then you will be coming to me saying im right
[14:53] <e-head> good morning.
[14:53] <e-head> anyone have any experience with xrdp?
[14:56] <Mamarok> wikki: try to adjust the zoom
[14:57] <Mamarok> also, there are Qt-Themes available for Firefox, and we all await a Qt-version, hopefully soon
[14:59] <wikki> I saw the qt theme, but that doesn't seem to do much
[14:59] <wikki> i'm trying the qt styles now
[15:01] <wikki> ah yes
[15:01] <wikki> that did it
[15:01] <wikki> qtcurve
[15:01] <wikki> gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[15:01] <wikki> http://forum.kde.org/how-to-integrate-firefox-into-kde-t-17786.html
[15:01] <wikki> that's a good post on the subject
[15:05] <Mamarok> wikki: I know, but it's still only a workaround till we have a real Qt-base Firefox
[15:06] <eagles0513875> !ubuntustudio
[15:10] <g_> Hey I keep getting failed package downloads only on select package lists which are the US transaltions
[15:21] <Mamarok> g_: you can ignore these safely, as there is no us-translation :)
[15:21] <Mamarok> us English is default
[15:22] <Colonel_Panic> In KDE 4.2, how can I make my desktop contents be displayed on my desktop instead of confined inside a plasmoid?
[15:25] <juanantonio> Hello. I need some help to install Skype
[15:27] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype juanantonio
[15:27] <juanantonio> Ok, thanks, man
[15:28] <SSJ_GZ> Colonel_Panic: Right-click Desktop -> Appearance Settings -> Desktop Activity -> Type -> Folder View.
[15:38] <enzo> salve
[15:39] <eagles0513875> enzo you looking for the italian channel
[15:40]  * BluesKaj installs amarok-kde4
[15:42] <BluesKaj> enzo , salve magister :) ...see i remember some latin :)
[15:42] <bazhang> he quit
[15:42] <eagles0513875> wow
[15:42] <BluesKaj> oops too mant smilies
[15:42] <BluesKaj> many
[15:42] <eagles0513875> are you kidding me who uses latin any more
[15:43] <BluesKaj> heh, yeah we wondered about that 50 yrs ago too
[15:43] <BluesKaj> 10th grade ...first yr studting latin
[15:44] <BluesKaj> shudda studied computer science instead
[15:54] <Raidenovich> Hey, can someone tell me if i can chose different wallpaper for my virtual desktops?
[15:55] <Raidenovich> under kubuntu 8.10
[15:57] <bdizzle> gah, I reallly need to write down this shortcut
[15:57] <bdizzle> how do I view all processes and their ID's to do a kill process? from CLI?
[15:57] <schiste> top
[15:57] <juanantonio> Raidenovich, I think you can if not using Compiz as I am
[15:57] <Raidenovich> "top"
[15:58] <bdizzle> thanks
[15:58] <Raidenovich> sorry, Compiz?
[15:58] <schiste> bdizzle: and if it's one of your precesses you can use "top -u user"
[15:58] <bdizzle> eh, not the one I was looking for
[15:58] <bdizzle> ah, okay
[15:58] <schiste> user being your login ;)
[15:58] <juanantonio> Yes, Compiz is another Windows manager used in Linux
[16:00] <juanantonio> but Wall paper, I think so, left click on the desktop and you can tell Kubuntu to use this or that wallpaper for all desktops or not, though I have never used this option
[16:07] <ecl_> hola ?
[16:07] <eagles0513875> hi
[16:07] <CoJaBo-Dell> hi
[16:07] <eagles0513875> ecl_: do you need the spanish channel
[16:07] <Mamarok> !es | ecl_
[16:07] <ecl_> nah- i dont even speak spanish
[16:07] <CoJaBo-Dell> lol
[16:07] <eagles0513875> lol Mamarok
[16:07] <Mamarok> well, that was a hit and miss then :)
[16:08] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: thats why i asked lol before i did ! es
[16:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[16:08] <ecl_> i feel so piped
[16:09] <snarkster> im listening to slay radio on amarok, and i noticed it isnt saying what song is playing anymore.. is this an amarok issue or a radio station issue?
[16:09] <eagles0513875> ecl_: this is the support channel bro
[16:09] <ecl_> & i'm only here trying kubuntu on my mommas dell
[16:09] <ecl_> thanks eagles, i kind of knew that
[16:09] <snarkster> ecl_: hows it working for you
[16:09] <eagles0513875> ok just checking taking the channel off topic kinda
[16:09] <Mamarok> snarkster: that's from the station, depends what signal they send
[16:09] <ecl_> video is a little strange at times, like out of range or something
[16:10] <snarkster> Mamarok: oh ok, well most of the stations dont show there names or songs anymore
[16:10] <Mamarok> snarkster: what version?
[16:10] <ecl_> oh- the live version wouldnt run so i risked her dell & did the install within windows
[16:10] <ecl_> 8.10
[16:10] <snarkster> version 2 of amarok, kde 4.1.85
[16:11]  * Mamarok tries it out
[16:11] <snarkster> i have to say the internet radio feature of amarok 2 is just the most awesome thing ever.
[16:12] <snarkster> it reminds me of kderadio
[16:12] <snarkster> when that worked
[16:14] <Mamarok> snarkster: it works here
[16:14] <snarkster> are you listening to slay radio?
[16:14] <Mamarok> np: Mixer - Nemesis the Warlock [SLAY Radio]
[16:15] <snarkster> what ip address?
[16:15] <snarkster> wonder if it culd be my signal strength as Im wifi
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hmm, I wonder what happened to the internet radio bit rates in amarok 2... anything under 128 is unlistable to me
[16:16] <snarkster> yah i noticed that as well..
[16:16] <BluesKaj> unlistenable
[16:16] <Mamarok> snarkster: http://relay4.slayradio.org:8000/
[16:17] <snarkster> does the song have a horn playing and a piano in the background?
[16:17]  * Mamarok uses svn build
[16:17] <snarkster> :P
[16:17] <Mamarok> snarkster: yes
[16:17] <snarkster> well mine worked just fine about a week ago.
[16:17] <Mamarok> and that's a sax, not a horn
[16:17] <snarkster> :P
[16:18] <snarkster> sax, trumpet whateva. :D
[16:18] <snarkster> i listen to this station all the time
[16:18] <snarkster> pretty good music
[16:23] <cuznt> i have a usb out for my mini disc is there a porgram that lets me transfer my music files like that?
[16:25] <juanantonio> Hello, I have some doubts concerning HDMI in Linux
[16:25] <snarkster> dolphin
[16:27] <juanantonio> I have a NVidia 7100 GS onboard and want to know if I can have some problems when I connect it to a monitor through HDMI? Any problem with the sound or the resolution optimal?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> amarok 2 is crashing with compiz turned on
[16:28] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: you use compiz in kde4?
[16:28] <snarkster> kwin crashes when playing Diablo 2
[16:29] <Mamarok> you should use desktop effects instead
[16:29] <snarkster> googleearth doesnt work with compize or DE
[16:30] <BluesKaj> I use kwin mostly , Mamarok
[16:31] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: still, you should remove Compiz if you are using DE, might only cause conflicts
[16:32] <BluesKaj> not using DE , Mamarok
[16:34] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: you contradict yourself :)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, ?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> DE is compiz AFAIK , so if I'm using kwin . compiz is turned off
[16:36] <snarkster> DE are cool really, but not really a productive thing, just eye candy.. I turn it on so people can see and get the ooooh aaaaahs then turn it off
[16:37] <snarkster> ive been trying to figure out how to put DRI on a old laptop that I have the DRI for in this new xorg.conf file
[16:37] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: no it's not, and what do you mean by "using kwin"?
[16:37] <snarkster> arent the effects in kwin just compiz
[16:37] <Mamarok> snarkster: nope, it doesn't use the compiz package at all
[16:38] <juanantonio> Someone can help me with the HDMI question¿?
[16:38] <snarkster> oh! but causes the same problems that compiz does..
[16:38] <Mamarok> !patience | juanantonio
[16:38] <snarkster> !HDMI
[16:39] <snarkster> juanantonio: try the forums if no one helps you.
[16:39] <juanantonio> Thank you
[16:40] <vlad> !driver install
[16:40] <Mamarok> vlad: what driver?
[16:40] <vlad> nvidia
[16:40] <snarkster> vlad what driverf
[16:40] <vlad> upgarde
[16:41] <vlad> upgrade
[16:41] <vlad> from bash doesent work
[16:41] <Mamarok> vlad, what upgrade are you talking about?
[16:41] <snarkster> are you using commercial driver?
[16:41] <vlad> from kate error
[16:41] <vlad> yes
[16:42] <snarkster> !nvidia
[16:43] <vlad> thx
[16:43] <snarkster> hope that helps
[16:43] <vlad> hope to
[16:44]  * BouibHeuWay vous inquietez po, c est po la fin du monde  !!!
[16:44] <vlad> because te monitor does like a stobe
[16:44] <vlad> :d
[16:44] <Mamarok> BouibHeuWay: please turn your automatic messages off!
[16:45] <snarkster> ima go smoke
[16:48] <rodrigo__> hola alguien de colombia
[16:50] <Mamarok> !es | rodrigo__
[16:50] <paul__> ?
[16:50] <berit> Hey! I'm running Kubuntu 8.04, how to enable the "full upgrade option" in Adept? Its now greyed out...
[16:52] <cuznt> what is the lspci command for usb please?
[16:52] <berit> cuznt: lsusb
[16:52] <cuznt> danks
[16:53] <Mamarok> berit: do you run Adept with sudo rights?
[16:55] <snarkster> ok im off.. have things to do
[16:55] <berit> Mamarok: Oh, ye, thanks, kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade" did it :)
[16:56] <snarkster> why do they do that?
[16:56] <Mamarok> snarkster: do what?
[16:56] <njhewitt> Can I move the volume OSD to a corner of the screen? My laptop has a volume control wheel right on the front, it's very sensitive, and the OSD right in the middle of the screen is kind of annoying. Using 4.2 beta 2 on Intrepid.
[16:56] <snarkster> if they provide a button the button shouldnt work if there is no dist upgrade available
[16:56] <Mamarok> njhewitt: go to the settings and move it
[16:57] <njhewitt> Mamarok: i've been looking, can't find it in any settings.
[16:57] <snarkster> why should you need to type somehting in
[16:57] <psi_> hey guys, how can i configure the start-behavoirt of a starting window? it would a "remember last position"?
[16:57] <Mamarok> njhewitt: settings ->configure Amarok -> on screen display
[16:58] <Mamarok> snarkster: don't know what you are talking about
[16:58] <snarkster> i think he meant system
[16:58] <snarkster> the kdesudo adept-manager --dist-upgrade thing
[16:58] <njhewitt> Mamarok: That's just Amarok though, I don't even have it running right now and there is a volume display showing.
[16:59] <Mamarok> njhewitt: what else are you running that uses an OSD?
[16:59] <njhewitt> Mamarok: it stops if I quit KMix, but then I don't have any volume control at all.
[16:59] <Mamarok> njhewitt: dont quit, just hide the mixer window
[17:00] <snarkster> the OSD from kmix is in the middle of his screen
[17:00] <Mamarok> snarkster: I understood, what I don't is what you are talking about :)
[17:00] <snarkster> lol
[17:00] <snarkster> n/m
[17:00] <Mamarok> :)
[17:00] <snarkster> not important
[17:01] <njhewitt> The OSD volume bar pops up whether the mixer window is shown or KMix is just docked in the status bar.
[17:02]  * Mamarok has no OSD for Kmix...
[17:02] <njhewitt> Mamarok: perhaps it's new for 4.2?
[17:02] <Mamarok> njhewitt: I run kde 4.2
[17:03] <njhewitt> very strange
[17:03] <e-head> Hey, do you guys know how I can change the default desktop environment?
[17:03] <Mamarok> e-head: you mean change in kdm?
[17:05] <psi_> hey guys, how can i configure the start-behavoirt of a starting window? it would a "remember last position"?
[17:06] <snarkster> been wondering if i can run gdm and get that guest account thing going.
[17:09]  * Bouib Attention MesDames et Messieurs, dans un instant, çà va commencer..... :))
[17:09] <Mamarok> Bouib: please turn off your automatic messages!
[17:09] <snarkster> ok later chaps.. Im outta here
[17:09]  * snarkster gives Mamarok a cuo if hit coffee
[17:10] <Mamarok> huhu jono :)
[17:13] <njhewitt> Mamarok: people in #kde tell me that the OSD is a Kubuntu addition. I'll go file a bug report.
[17:14] <Mamarok> funny, I use Kubuntu here and don't have it
[17:15] <BluesKaj> hmm,  amarok 2 seems to knock me off IRC when streaming off the net...gotta reconsider this
[17:16] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: that sounds weird, works fine here, I'm streaming all the time
[17:16] <njhewitt> Mamarok: It does react differently to different inputs. Only my laptop volume wheel triggers the OSD, mouse wheeling over the KMix icon doesn't bring it up. Perhaps your laptop sends a different kind of signal from its controls.
[17:16] <Mamarok> njhewitt: seems so
[17:17] <josh_> how do i gain Su ( Status ) Within Kubuntu's GUI?
[17:18] <Mamarok> josh_: start the app with kdesudo
[17:18] <Mamarok> or sudo from the command line
[17:19] <josh_> got it
[17:19] <josh_> thanks!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> it's not an improvement IMO Mamarok, nicer eye candy perhaps but the setup is goofy
[17:20] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: what are you talking about?
[17:21] <rushdi> salut tt monde
[17:21] <Mamarok> !fr | rushdi
[17:21] <BluesKaj> I just use amarok for internet radio ...I don't play a lot of music with it
[17:22] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: well, you seem to have strange settings with all the errors you get, are you using the Xine backend in Phonon?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:23] <Mamarok> good :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> I'm gooing back to the stable version
[17:24] <e-head> Mamarok: well, I suspect that when I pull gnome down via apt-get, it's going to set up gdm, and fiddle with whatever other X session files control the default wm/desktop (xsession, xinitrc).
[17:24] <BluesKaj> I'll wait til 2 is ready for prime time :)
[17:24] <e-head> I usually connect to my computer via vnc, so the display manager isn't that important.
[17:25] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: 2 *is* stable!
[17:25] <loic-m> juanantonio I've got no problems with HDMI monitor with a 7900GS and nvidia drivers
[17:25] <Mamarok> e-head: you can choose when it's installing
[17:25] <e-head> But, I've noticed when you pull down different desktops (kde, gnome, xfce), they almost invariable set up there own display manager and set the default desktop/wm to their own (when connecting via vnc).
[17:25] <BluesKaj> well, Mamarok ,not on my setup it isn't
[17:26] <e-head> Do you know if it's something in /etc/defaults?
[17:26] <e-head> Or if there is a tool you can run to switch em around, try em all out?
[17:26] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: then it's your setup I'd say, I use it without problems
[17:26] <e-head> or a dpkg config or something?
[17:26] <Mamarok> e-head: as I sais, choose when it's installing, it will prompt you
[17:26] <Mamarok> *siad
[17:26] <Mamarok> *said
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I don't care for the interface either, i prefer to have the 1.4 style lists
[17:27] <e-head> Right. I followed you.
[17:27] <e-head> I was just thinking of switching them around, trying them all out.
[17:27] <Mamarok> sry
[17:27] <e-head> I was just wondering the proper way to do this.
[17:27] <e-head> I mean... I could make a .xsession or .xinitrc file I suppose, just for me... but is there a system wide way to set the default ?
[17:27] <Bou> hiya
[17:27] <Bou> I got this message in Dolphin: KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kate'
[17:28] <Bou> when using -u parameter to launch kate
[17:28] <Mamarok> e-head: no idea how to do this once it's installed, sry
[17:28] <e-head> Or do you have to stop/start servers and fiddle with the /etc/rc files?
[17:28] <e-head> alright. thanks.  ;)
[17:28] <Bou> looks like a known issue, is there also a know work around ?
[17:30] <BlueG> I just upgraded to 8.10 and now get an error that ksmserver can't be started. .xsession-errors shows the NVIDIA OpenGL driver requires a CPU with SSE, which this machine doesn't have. Any suggestions on getting this machine working again?
[17:30] <Mamarok> Bou: could you be a bit more explicit on what you are doing exactly, launching Kate with Dolphin?
[17:32] <Bou> Mamarok: when clicking a text file from dolphin, it's opened by Kate with parameter -u (my config)
[17:32] <Bou> Mamarok: opening 1 file is OK, opening a second file opens it correctly, bu i get this error message in Dolphin
[17:32] <Mamarok> Bou: let me try that
[17:33] <Bou> Mamarok: I've been told on #kde that several people running Kubuntu reported same problem
[17:33] <Mamarok> hm, Kate is not default here, it's Kwrite...
[17:34] <Bou> Mamarok:you can reproduce it too?
[17:34] <Mamarok> Bou: not at all
[17:35] <Mamarok> it simply opens a second kate, but as I said, Kate is not set as the default text editor in my settings, and I can't launch it with options in Dolphin
[17:35] <Bou> Mamarok: yes, it only happens with option -u
[17:36] <Bou> Mamarok: i discovered this problem when turning this option on
[17:36] <Mamarok> oh, I see, it's not turned on by default then
[17:36] <Bou> no
[17:36] <Bou> i've edited this option from kmenuedit
[17:36] <Mamarok> Bou: I use Kate as it is
[17:36] <Bou> kate  --> kate -u
[17:37] <Mamarok> why do you need this option?
[17:38] <Bou> because if i open several files to edit them from dolphin I get several Kate windows opened
[17:38] <Bou> which is less friendly than only one kate window
[17:39] <Mamarok> yep, makes sense, I open files in Kate though...
[17:40] <Mamarok> so I don't need to switch to Dolphin and then go back to my Kate window :)
[17:40] <Bou> :)
[17:40] <Bou> I know, i generally work as you
[17:41] <Mamarok> that would be the woraround then :)
[17:41] <Bou> but i'm following some tutorial and dolphin is more friendly to navigate into an unknow tree for me
[17:41] <Mamarok> *Workaround
[17:41] <Bou> yes, that's not critical, I just hoped there was a wuick fix
[17:41] <Bou> *quick
[17:41] <Mamarok> Bou: sry, don't know of any
[17:42] <Bou> Mamarok: np, thanks for your time
[17:42] <Mamarok> you're welcome :)
[17:42] <Bou> Mamarok: i should report it anyway, if not done
[17:43] <Mamarok> Bou: if it's a know problem you might not have to, but you should check launchpad for it anyway
[17:48] <Bou> Mamarok: it's a known problem
[17:49] <Mamarok> Bou: thx for checking :)
[18:02] <balazs> hola
[18:02] <balazs> salutare
[18:02] <balazs> e vreun roman peaici ?
[18:04] <Bou> !ro
[18:05] <Bou> !ro | balazs
[18:09] <macjason0607>  hi all .. when i try to put in a cd/dvd i get an error message .. error mounting /media/cdrom0 .. i did a ls /media when i put in a cd and there was no cdrom0 symlink
[18:33] <kevin_> hello
[18:37] <kevin_> anyone in this channel?
[18:38]  * CoJaBo-Dell is here
[18:39] <Mamarok> kevin_: yes, do you have a question?
[18:39] <kevin_> sry haven't used irc in a while
[18:40] <kevin_> Yes, are there any ubuntu apps that will support mounting smb shares from a windows server?
[18:40] <Copelia> !fr
[18:41] <kevin_> thanks i'll go try that out.
[18:41] <Mamarok> kevin_: what do you mean by "supporting"?
[18:43] <kevin_> I'm trying to stream video from a windows server (WHS) and in most of the players i get an error
[18:44] <kevin_> I found on a forum they don't support smb convetions and need to be mounted
[18:44] <Mamarok> kevin_: most of the time it's a permission issue
[18:45] <kevin_> i log on to the folder from dolphin for example but when I click on a video and select the video to play it it errors out
[18:45] <kevin_> do apps have seperate authentication?
[18:46] <Mamarok> as I said, you need to have the permission to stream the content
[18:46] <kevin_> i gave read acces to everyone on the window server
[18:48] <Mamarok> kevin_: what errors do you get?
[18:49] <Copelia> #Lol
[18:52] <kevin_> from totem player i get there is no plugin to handle the location of this file
[18:53] <Mamarok> oh, then it's an encoding problem, you need the necessary codecs to play the video
[18:53] <Mamarok> !medibuntu
[18:53] <Copelia> #salut
[18:53] <Mamarok> kevin_: ^^ check those repos
[18:53] <Mamarok> Copelia: do you need help?
[18:54] <kevin_> Ah ok i installed some extra codecs but maybe the wrong ones
[18:54] <Copelia> Mamarok, Sorry i'm dont in good chanel
[18:54] <Copelia> and I'm speak French !
[18:54] <Mamarok> !fr | Copelia
[18:55] <Copelia> Mamarok, Thank's very much !
[18:55] <Mamarok> :)
[18:56] <Copelia> :), Bye Bye Good evening All. :)
[18:56] <schiste> is there command to search for a word in all the files of a specified directory ?
[18:56] <schiste> a command**
[18:57] <Salze> schiste: grep
[18:58] <schiste> ok so I'm missing something as it's not working ^^
[18:58] <Salze> grep -Ri <word> *
[18:58] <trappist> or grep -ri <word <directory>
[18:59] <Salze> Should work for at least everything that does not start with a dot. I'm not sure about those.
[18:59] <schiste> ok was missing the -ri :)
[18:59] <schiste> thanks
[18:59] <trappist> -r is recursive, -i makes the search case-insensitive
[18:59] <Salze> i is for non-case-sensitivity...don't know if you really want that.
[19:00] <trappist> egrep -r '\b<word>\b' to search for the word standalone, so if your word is apple it won't find snapple or apples
[19:00] <schiste> nop I doesn't, I fact I need it to be case sensitive
[19:01] <schiste> Ok I definitly have to read from a to z grep man
[19:01] <schiste> thanks a lot anyway :)
[19:01] <trappist> schiste: read the grep manual, and get "Mastering Regular Expressions"
[19:02] <schiste> k
[19:02] <trappist> or just get a regular expression cheat sheet, for starters, but that book is awesome
[19:10] <kevin_> does the default video player use the gstreamer platform?
[19:15] <CoJaBo-Dell> How do I set a partition to mount automatically?
[19:17] <DasKreech> !fstab | CoJaBo-Dell
[19:18] <CoJaBo-Dell> Thanks
[19:18] <kevin_> If I get a unable to open 'smb://....... in vlcplayer that is a permission problem correct?
[19:20] <DasKreech> No vlc may not recognize smb://
[19:21] <kevin_> I guess my safest bet is to just mnt the share then
[19:22] <DasKreech> or use smbfuse
[19:27] <TABASCO> Hi
[19:27] <kevin_> ok thanks Das need to look that up ;)
[19:28] <schiste> should grep -R Meta\ liens * work ?
[19:32] <DasKreech> schiste: If you are looking for two words then yes
[19:32] <schiste> I am
[19:32] <schiste> I want all the files containing "Meta liens"
[19:33] <DasKreech> That would almost do it
[19:33] <schiste> almost ?
[19:33] <DasKreech> Almost
[19:33] <schiste> what's missing ?
[19:34] <DasKreech> -l
[19:34] <schiste> still not working
[19:34] <schiste> that's just odd...
[19:36] <Pete_> Trying to build xorg-server on 8.04 (sudo apt-get -b source xorg-server) but it dies  with "'GL_DEPTH_STENCIL_MESA' undeclared (first use in this function)" etc, any ideas?
[19:37] <DasKreech> schiste: Works fine here
[19:38] <schiste> DasKreech: well on my server it returns nothing
[19:38] <DasKreech> maybe there is nthing withe Meta liens ?
[19:39] <schiste> well, there's a Meta liens link on my website
[19:39] <schiste> soooooooo
[19:39] <schiste> And in fact I added it few month ago
[19:40] <schiste> but just can't remember where
[19:40] <DasKreech> try -i
[19:40] <mhall> hello, is there a recommended program for ripping dual layer DVDs in kubuntu to prevent wasting power on the optical drive on airplanes, car rides, etc?
[19:40] <DasKreech> !rip
[19:41] <DasKreech> Awww
[19:42] <kevin_> I got it working........ Thanks all
[19:42] <yosri> i just want some info about piklab
[19:43] <yosri> is there so who know this appl
[19:43] <DasKreech> !info piklab
[19:44] <nicolas__> hi!
[19:44] <yosri> did u use it
[19:44] <yosri> ??
[19:45] <DasKreech> yosri: No t has forums at http://sourceforge.net/projects/piklab/
[19:45] <yosri> thx
[19:46] <nicolas__> i'm trying amarok 2, but it doesn't seems to work... I'm full screen and i've nothing but a simple player on top... did i miss something?
[19:47] <mhall> DasKreech: actually i think you found my answer indirectly
[19:48] <mhall> DasKreech: i started a /query with ubottu and started typing keywords related to dvds until i found something useful ;-)
[19:49] <DasKreech> mhall: thank you for querying the bot!!!
[19:50] <DasKreech> So many people just start a flood in the main chan
[19:50] <DasKreech> If the bot said anything rude to you in private chat let me know and I'll sort her out ;-)
[19:51] <nicolas__> how could i manage my collection in amorok 2?
[19:51] <nicolas__> *amarok
[19:53] <cllaudyu> i have a problem
[19:53] <hyper_ch> cllaudyu: we all have... it's called lack of money
[19:53] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: what do you mean by "manage"?
[19:54] <cllaudyu> no really?
[19:54] <nicolas__> at least see it.....
[19:54] <hyper_ch> cllaudyu: so you ahve surplus money then? can I give you my bank details?
[19:54] <cllaudyu> i can't see the text in menu and in this irc client
[19:54] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: what do you mean?
[19:54] <nicolas__> i'm totaly lost, i can't find anything in this new xersion
[19:55] <cllaudyu> yeah why don't you want me 2 send you some money thru western uninon?
[19:55] <nicolas__> well i'm in full screen and i've nothing display but a simple player on top
[19:55] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: make a screen shot
[19:56] <nicolas__> ok
[19:56] <cllaudyu> heellloooo people why can't i see the text in  konversation an other programs
[19:56] <cllaudyu> it's flashing like crazy
[19:57] <hyper_ch> cllaudyu: hmmm screenshot?
[19:57] <cllaudyu> now i see it now i don't
[19:57] <nicolas__> hum where can i post it?
[19:57] <cllaudyu> if i make screenshot how can u see it?
[19:57] <cllaudyu> hmmm???
[19:57] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: www.bayimg.org
[19:57] <nicolas__> thxs!
[19:57] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: thx goes to the TPB crew
[19:58] <cllaudyu> the pirate bay?
[19:58] <nicolas__> TPB?
[19:58] <nicolas__> http://bayimg.com/dAmmBAabJ
[19:58] <hyper_ch> cllaudyu: yes
[19:59] <nicolas__> (don't pay attention to the song, A, first letter for the test :/)
[19:59] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: I don't see it
[19:59] <cllaudyu> this is a shit hole called kubuntu derivated from ubuntu or not is it free cause of the stupidity off people that can't make nothing work right?
[20:00] <nicolas__> damn me neither....
[20:00] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: did you attach it?
[20:00] <nicolas__> png... i'll try something different
[20:00] <cllaudyu> everything crashes one second after another
[20:00] <cllaudyu> its the sign of perfection!!!
[20:01] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: press alt+shift+F12
[20:01] <cllaudyu> what thit i just do with pressing those ?
[20:02] <cllaudyu> it appeasr that i see the text now
[20:02] <cllaudyu> appears
[20:02] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: Thre you go
[20:02] <mhall> DasKreech: nope nothing bad
[20:02] <DasKreech> :)
[20:02] <cllaudyu> thank you so verry much i would kiss you but your far away
[20:02] <mhall> DasKreech: querying the bot is a classic from my past use of debian
[20:03] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: still online?
[20:03] <geoffrey_> hi every body , i'm new one kubuntu , i can't run dvd's , and it works on vista could somebody help me ?
[20:03] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: Send it in the mail
[20:03] <cllaudyu> the kiss?
[20:03] <cllaudyu> ok
[20:03] <cllaudyu> just send it
[20:03] <cllaudyu> sent
[20:03] <cllaudyu> scuze me
[20:03] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: your driver is messed up press alt+F3 -> Window Behaviour -> desktop effects and disable desktop effects
[20:03] <mhall> nicolas__: link didnt work
[20:04] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: If you want to keep those around play with them taking off each one till it stops flickering
[20:04] <nicolas__> yes
[20:04] <nicolas__> i know
[20:04] <geoffrey_> they all are disabled
[20:04] <DasKreech> !dvd | geoffrey_
[20:04] <mhall> geoffrey_: just had to figure that out myself
[20:04] <nicolas__> i've upload it 3 times
[20:04] <mhall> geoffrey_: that's the same bot fact i used
[20:04] <nicolas__> but i can't see it....
[20:04] <cllaudyu> i dont need effects
[20:04] <hyper_ch> nicolas__: then use some other service
[20:04] <nicolas__> yes
[20:04] <geoffrey_> but i got ati radeon hd 3400
[20:05] <mhall> DasKreech: does ubottu have  listkeys and listvals
[20:05] <mhall> DasKreech: or a web search or anything
[20:05] <cllaudyu> but everything changed in the font of text eh what the hell if everything works it's ok even if a bit its shitty
[20:06] <DasKreech> nicolas__: try imageshack.us
[20:06] <DasKreech> !bot
[20:06] <nicolas__> http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amarokcs9.jpg
[20:07] <nicolas__> shold work
[20:07] <nicolas__> *should
[20:07] <cllaudyu> DasKreech your a veteran user of kubuntu?
[20:07] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: Something like that
[20:07] <cllaudyu> DasKreech well... i was wondering since when do u use this OS
[20:08] <DasKreech> For 2 and a half years
[20:08] <nicolas__> or this http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1406/amarokcs9.jpg
[20:08] <DasKreech> nicolas__: Woah!
[20:08] <cllaudyu> DasKreech u know i was expecting that you would say that
[20:08] <nicolas__> ?
[20:08] <nashk> is it possible to install firefox on 8.10 without the branding?
[20:09] <DasKreech> nicolas__: How did you get it to do that?
[20:09] <cllaudyu> DasKreech i think u know every bug by it's name...
[20:09] <DasKreech> !info abrowser
[20:09] <nicolas__> I do have a pb right?
[20:09] <DasKreech> nashk: ^^^
[20:09] <nicolas__> hum sa simple install
[20:10] <nashk> DasKreech: ?
[20:10] <nicolas__> apt-get install amarok-kde4
[20:10] <DasKreech> !info abrowser | nashk Firefox with no branding
[20:10] <nicolas__> and that's it
[20:10] <cllaudyu> whatever i'm gonna be back if i have any other problem bye all
[20:11] <DasKreech> nicolas__: try closing it and running  kbuildsycoca4
[20:11] <DasKreech> cllaudyu: bye Hope it works out fine
[20:11] <nashk> !info abrowser
[20:11] <nashk> ?
[20:11] <nashk> DasKreech: Sorry, but I don't follow
[20:11] <DasKreech> nashk: That's the package you need to install
[20:12] <nashk> ah
[20:12] <mhall> Why can Ubuntu distribute Firefox as Firefox when Debian can't. Always found that strange.
[20:12] <nicolas__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/91803/
[20:13] <nicolas__> i did it then restart amarok nothing changed
[20:13] <DasKreech> mhall: Debian doesn't agree with the licensing of the trademark and Mozilla's attitude around it Ubuntu has no problems with un free items
[20:13] <DasKreech> :-(
[20:13] <DasKreech> Try puge amarok and reinstall
[20:13] <nicolas__> ok i'll do that
[20:14] <angasule> I just updated my kubuntu dapper and can't log in through kdm, though I can log in in a virtual terminal, any ideas what's going on?
[20:15] <mhall> angasule: video driver didnt get updated maybe
[20:15] <mhall> angasule: try temporarily changing nvidia driver in xorg.conf to nv
[20:16] <mhall> angasule: then run jockey-kde and re-enable the nvidia driver
[20:16] <mhall> angasule: had to do this myself when i just installed intrepid
[20:17] <nicolas__> sudo apt-get autoremove amarok-kde4 is it enough to clean everything?
[20:17] <DasKreech> angasule: check your ~/.xsession-errors
[20:17] <angasule> mhall: thanks, but kdm works fine?
[20:17] <angasule> DasKreech: thanks, checking
[20:17] <DasKreech> nicolas__: Nope sudo apt-get remove amarok-kde4 --purge
[20:17] <nicolas__> ok
[20:20] <nicolas__> strange, doesn't work, but when I reinstall it still my songs in memory...
[20:20] <angasule> disk was full, trying again soon, I shouldn't let my sister near a computer :)
[20:20] <nicolas__> I'll uninstall again and reboot
[20:20] <nicolas__> i'll be back
[20:21] <CoJaBo-Dell> Why is Firefox interface horribly messed up under Kubuntu?
[20:22] <angasule> CoJaBo-Dell: that's just how it looks? :) I don't see anything specially wrong
[20:25] <nicolas__> re, done
[20:26] <nicolas__> so confirm to install I do: sudo apt-get install amarok-kde4
[20:26] <nicolas__> *so you confirm
[20:29] <DasKreech> yes
[20:29] <nicolas__> reboot do
[20:29] <nicolas__> *done
[20:30] <nicolas__> to reinstall i do sudo apt-get install amarok-kde4?
[20:30] <CoJaBo-Dell> Why is Firefox interface horribly messed up under Kubuntu?
[20:31] <DasKreech> yes
[20:31] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: Umm not sure did you install a gtk-qt engine?
[20:32] <CoJaBo-Dell> DasKreech: Not sure, how would I check and how would I fix it?
[20:32] <DasKreech> Urk hold on
[20:33] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: install gtk-qt-engine
[20:33] <CoJaBo-Dell> ?
[20:33] <nicolas__> still the same pb
[20:33] <nicolas__> here's my install http://paste.ubuntu.com/91806/
[20:38] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: Install that package
[20:38] <DasKreech> nicolas__: Not sure can you check in #amarok if they have seen this happen?
[20:39] <CoJaBo-Dell> DasKreech: I get "gtk-qt-engine is already the newest version."
[20:39] <Guest52177> how can I select OSS as drivers instead of ALSA o??
[20:39] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: Booo what's the problem with Firefox?
[20:39] <nicolas__> ok thank you!
[20:41] <CoJaBo-Dell> DasKreech: Tabs are really weird, scrollbars don't show up, backgrounds of controls dont match surrounding elements.
[20:42] <Guest52177> I have problem with my headphone, but I dont know how to select the OSS drivers instead of the ALSA
[20:42] <Guest52177> any help?
[20:44] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: That's not supposed to happen can you press alt+shift+F12 and tell me if that helps
[20:44] <DasKreech> Guest52177: Check in System Settings
[20:44] <Salze> Can I configure when programs will be added to the quickstart plasmoid? (4.2 beta 2)
[20:45] <DasKreech> When?
[20:46] <Guest52177> DasKreech: I already check, but I cann't find how to switch (under sound)
[20:46] <CoJaBo-Dell> DasKreech: What is that supposed to do?
[20:47] <Salze> I mean after how many starts. The quickstart plasmoid still only shows 3 entries, although 4 are allowed.
[20:48] <DasKreech> CoJaBo-Dell: Turns off compositing
[20:49] <CoJaBo-Dell> Nothing happened when I pressed it.
[20:49] <DasKreech> Salze: QuickLaunch?
[20:51] <Salze> DasKreech: Maybe the translation is wrong - Schnellstart in german. The one which is supposed to show the most used programs.
[20:57] <DasKreech> Salze: The closest I can find to that is quicklaunch but that is manual. it doesn't auto add things
[21:12] <confrey> hi everybody
[21:13] <CoJaBo-Dell> hhi
[21:13] <confrey> I've just installed kubuntu8.10, but I can't install skype, it seems a libqt4-gui is missing
[21:14] <hyper_ch> confrey: how did you install skype?
[21:14] <hyper_ch> confrey: and you run 64bit?
[21:14] <confrey> and I can't see youtube's videos in konqueror... what can I do?
[21:15] <confrey> hyper_ch: no, I've a i386 installation
[21:15] <confrey> I tried with debian-ubuntu package, from skype site
[21:15] <hyper_ch> no clue with 32bit
[21:15] <hyper_ch> confrey: use medibuntu
[21:16] <confrey> hyper_ch: what's medibuntu?
[21:16] <hyper_ch> confrey: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=medibuntu
[21:18] <Salze> DasKreech: Ok, thank you.
[21:19] <DasKreech> Salze: Good option though I'll see what the plasma team thinks of it :)
[21:19] <DasKreech> !medibuntu
[21:19] <DasKreech> !skype
[21:19] <hyper_ch> !DasKreech
[21:30] <confrey> ok, many hanks, skype is installed and working
[21:30] <confrey> what's about flash plugin in konqueror?
[21:31] <hyper_ch> use firefox
[21:31] <hyper_ch> it's like konqueror
[21:31] <DasKreech> confrey: I have no idea it randomly works for me then stops working then works
[21:31] <hyper_ch> but different
[21:33] <inanimate> Does anybody agree that the version of KNetworkManager in 8.10 really sucks?
[21:33] <DasKreech> inanimate: No
[21:33] <DasKreech> Everyone agrees
[21:33] <confrey> hyper_ch: I have always used firefox, but I'd like to change to a full K environment, and I like to use the same software for web and files
[21:33] <inanimate> DasKreech: All right. But then techically, 'anyone' would still agree =).
[21:34] <DasKreech> confrey: That would be Konqui :) maybe look into the experimental webkit backend
[21:34] <hyper_ch> konqueror just has too much problems with javascript IMHO
[21:34] <inanimate> DasKreech:
[21:34] <inanimate> (Oops.)
[21:34] <inanimate> Do the KNM devs have any plans to actually fix it, or is it worthy of a fork?
[21:35] <confrey> hyper_ch: I've the same problem in slackware : there I've installed the adobe plugin and a plugin as .tgz, the libflash was present in correct directory, but konqueror does'nt find that plugin
[21:36] <krio> good night for everyone
[21:36] <DasKreech> inanimate: There is a mis match of Knetwork manager and NM
[21:37] <DasKreech> most distros are now shipping with an incomplete beta version of NM which means bugs in that as well as bugs in the GUI on top Leds to a non nice experience
[21:38] <dennister_> hey channel...having some probs with optical drives & sound vis a vis some multimedia apps...they all do work, but..,
[21:38] <krio> hi guys i have a problem whit sinaptic and repositery
[21:38] <DasKreech> confrey: konqueror -> settings -> konqueror settings -> Plugings -> scan for new plugins
[21:38] <DasKreech> night krio
[21:39] <inanimate> DasKreech: OK, well that's more comforting than it being a final release.
[21:40] <krio> if sinaptic check the repositery do not find 7
[21:40] <dennister_> dvdrw is on scd1/cdrom1, cdrw on scd0/cdrom0...both are symplinked to /media/cdrom, but I have to tell amarok's config to use cdrom0 or cdrom1......
[21:40] <krio> and do not work
[21:40] <DasKreech> They are chasing a beta trying to squash bugs in that then write a new GUI on top. Sometimes the Sabdfl one march song has promise
[21:41] <dennister_> telling amarok's config which physical drive to use each time a user switches is NOT the way it's supposed to be, if my memory erves
[21:42] <inanimate> Did they intend the GUI just to be able to squash bugs in NM?
[21:42] <dennister_> anyone know what's going on with this? the fix?
[21:42] <DasKreech> inanimate: No it's two layers of bugs. NM bugs and KNM bugs
[21:43] <krio> http://paste.ubuntu.com/91843/
[21:43] <inanimate> Ah, OK.
[21:43] <DasKreech> Both are "unstable"
[21:43] <little> Hey there, everyone. Is there a channel for Bash scripting?
[21:43] <DasKreech> obviously KNM has to wait for NM to release to have a stable release
[21:43] <DasKreech> ##bash
[21:43] <inanimate> Makes sense.
[21:43] <little> DasKreech: Thanks!
[21:43] <DasKreech> !commands | also little read this
[21:44] <little> ubottu: Thanks, but I have a very specific wish. (:
[21:44] <inanimate> Heh.
[21:44] <DasKreech> !zsh
[21:44] <DasKreech> !dash
[21:47] <dennister_> can someone please help me get one of these drives to be able to read the audio cd? I know it can
[21:48] <DasKreech> dennister_: What does audiocd:/ in Konqueror do ?
[21:50] <dennister_> DasKreech:  An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: could not read .
[21:50] <DasKreech> hmm
[21:50] <dennister_> with amarok i have to go into config, change device from /media/cdrom to /media/cdrom1...then it will read and play the same cd
[21:51] <dennister_> however, when i do that, the other optical drive won't be functional :)
[21:51] <DasKreech> What is mounted on /media/cdrom1 ?
[21:53] <dennister_> DasKreech: the audio cd is in cdrom1 at the moment, when i put it in, the pop-up windows asked me what i wanted to do with it, i said play with amarok...then amarok couldn't read it
[21:55] <DasKreech> dennister_: Maybe you need a better udev setup
[21:55] <DasKreech> How many drives do you have?
[21:56] <dennister_> amarok starts, but can't read the audio cd...this is not true when i stick the same audio cd in the dvdrw drive, which is on /media/cdrom0....just two drives
[21:57] <dennister_> DasKreech: 2 optical drives that is, another 2 hdds
[21:58] <dennister_> DasKreech: could u help me with this 'better udev setup? user
[21:58] <dennister_> user's coming in a coupla hours for pickup
[21:58] <DasKreech> I don't know that's whats happeneing but that would be my guess
[21:58] <DasKreech> udev does hardware detection and assists HAL in mounting drives
[21:59] <dennister_> and i'm running out of time...and still have quite a bit of other stuff to do on this machine...dying cat has kinda screwed with my schedule and deadlines
[21:59] <DasKreech> If you take the audio CD out and put it back in the CD drive it still doesn't work?
[21:59] <DasKreech> dennister_: That problem has a workaround fix other more crucial stuff
[22:00] <dennister_> for the audio cd to be readable/work in the cdrw drive and amarok, i have to change amarok's config from /dev/cdrom to /dev/cdrom1
[22:01] <dennister_> and that of course makes the audio cds unreadable by the dvd drive
[22:01] <dennister_> they should both be able to mount, read, play audio cds
[22:02] <dennister_> DasKreech: i have to run for 5 min...cat emergency
[22:10] <dennister_> DasKreech: i'm back...any ideas why they can't both do this...i'be never seen this before
[22:14] <dennister_> genii: r u busy? having some probs with dual optical drives I've never seen before
[22:14] <Mamarok> krio: sorry, had to finish some work
[22:15] <dennister_> Mamarok: i assume you're an amarok lover :)
[22:15] <Mamarok> dennister_: I am indeed :)
[22:16] <dennister_> perhaps ur the best person to help me then? problem is 2 optical drives, both do work, but only one at a time can read media
[22:17] <Mamarok> hm, not sure I'm the right person for that, never used 2 optical drives
[22:17] <DasKreech> dennister_: #amarok
[22:17] <dennister_> i was in #amarok for hours this morning...seemed pretty dead, got no answers, and the problem is not limited to amarok, either
[22:18] <dennister_> as we saw when konqueror couldn't read the media in the other drive, either
[22:18] <Mamarok> dennister_: that's the time of the year, a lot of folks are off for holiday, visiting parents, etc
[22:19] <dennister_> gotta be a system issue...yeah, i know...and here i am nursing a dying cat and trying to get this system out the door in less than 2 hours
[22:19] <DasKreech> dennister_: What other problems are there?
[22:19] <Mamarok> Oo, poor kitty :(
[22:19]  * Mamarok has two cats
[22:20] <dennister_> at the same time as i prepare dinners for 2 holiday occasions...yeah, my son is really taking it hard :( at least she's not in pain...
[22:20] <DasKreech> that's good
[22:20] <dennister_> DasKreech: well, that konqueror can't read the other drive either...
[22:21] <DasKreech> hyper_ch: Awake?
[22:21] <Mamarok> dennister_: good,  as long as she doesn't suffer
[22:21] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: maybe
[22:21] <DasKreech> dennister_: KDE 3 or KDE 4 ?
[22:21] <Mamarok> ok folks, I'm off for tonight, another day work tomorrow
[22:21] <dennister_> so back to the system and the user picking up in less than 2 hours...kde3
[22:21] <Mamarok> cu
[22:21] <DasKreech> hyper_ch: Ever heard of KDE having preferences for an optical drive?
[22:21] <dennister_> night Mamarok
[22:22] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: no clue what you refer to
[22:22] <DasKreech> hyper_ch: You put in a audio Cd and it can't be read by multimedia apps
[22:22] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: haven't done that for ages :)
[22:22] <DasKreech> You have to go and manually tell them not to look at a particualr drive but to look at the other one
[22:22] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: are you sure it's not sony rootkitted?
[22:23] <DasKreech> I don't think they play around with Linux that much unless they are doing marketting
[22:23] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: but it's windows software on there that could pevent it being used
[22:23] <DasKreech> hyper_ch:
[22:23] <DasKreech> It works fine when you switch the drive manually
[22:24] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: as said, I don't know.. haven't had a audio cd in any drive for ages
[22:24] <DasKreech> If you point juk/amarok/konqueror to the drive manually they see it fine
[22:24] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: tried with kde 4.2?
[22:24] <DasKreech> hyper_ch: Well on a general case why would it prefer one drive over another ?
[22:24] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: amarok nightly?
[22:24] <hyper_ch> DasKreech: no clue
[22:24] <DasKreech> hyper_ch: it's dennister_ question :-)
[22:25] <dennister_> hyper_ch: and the popup asking which app to use works for both drives
[22:25] <DasKreech> dennister_: #kde as well though don't know the reception you'll hit in there.
[22:25] <DasKreech> I don't know why audiocd:/ woudn't work
[22:26] <hyper_ch> dennister_: running kde 4.2?
[22:26] <dennister_> k...will try...that should be a lively channel, anyway, with so many pps complaining about kde4 :)
[22:26] <dennister_> nope...won't go to 8.10 either, 'cause i don't like kde4
[22:26] <DasKreech> dennister_: you'll likely change your opinion by 9.10 :)
[22:27] <dennister_> DasKreech: let's hope so, heheheh
[22:27] <hyper_ch> dennister_: tried kde 4.2?
[22:27] <DasKreech> What are your objections to it if I may ask?
[22:27] <DasKreech> Ask in #kde first
[22:27] <OxDeadC0de> anyone here use the ruby cpufreq selector applet in kde 4.1?
[22:28] <DasKreech> ha ha don't ask for help fast in a volunteer support chan not likely to help
[22:29] <OxDeadC0de> if so there's a brand spankin new version that not only looks better but is better functionality wise, all the "bugs" fixed
[22:29] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: ruby cpufreq selector applet?
[22:29] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch right click on the desktop, add widget, install new, download from internet
[22:30] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: it's by you
[22:30] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch correct
[22:30] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: and what does it do?
[22:31] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch controls governor and cpu speed and displays current cpu speed in mhz and ghz
[22:31] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch it requires the cpufreq modules in the kernel
[22:32] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: errors in 4.2
[22:32] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch you might not have the dependencies installed
[22:32] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: migth be
[22:33] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch Requires libkorundum4-ruby1.8 libqt4-ruby libqt4-ruby1.8 afaik, might need another one.. after installing those if it still doesn't work you can find out why in the console with "plasmoidviewer ruby-cpufreq"
[22:34] <dennister_> DasKreech: sorry for the lag...like kde3 better because it's closer to winblows for newbies...and 8.10 doesn't allow you to change your network config on eth0
[22:34] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch and it would help me a great deal if you do, because if it does require something else i need to list it in the description
[22:36] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: install still errors
[22:36] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: despite those three packages
[22:37] <OxDeadC0de> the install errors? oh.. crap.. what's plasmapkg -i cpufreq.plasmoid say? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=92573&vote=good&tan=10351920 for the direct download link
[22:37] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: where do you download there
[22:38] <Koordin> hi i have an annoying problem : i have to type 'sudo dhclient' in order to connect to internet and i have to retype it every minute in order not to be disconnected ; i'm on wifi ; does someone have an idea ?
[22:38] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch where it says "download", or this link http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=92573&id=1&tan=58671343
[22:39] <hyper_ch> yeah, the download is well hidden
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> thnx to my uber longer changelog and description ;)
[22:39] <OxDeadC0de> long*
[22:40] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~/Desktop$ plasmapkg -i 92573-cpufreq.plasmoid
[22:40] <hyper_ch> Installation of /home/hyper/Desktop/92573-cpufreq.plasmoid failed.
[22:40] <OxDeadC0de> that's all? ugh
[22:41] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: yes
[22:41] <OxDeadC0de> thank you for reporting hyper_ch, i'll be working on it right now :|, i want that little bugger to work
[22:42] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: wait
[22:42] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: Error, You do not have the CPU Frequency modules running, please find documentation on setting up the cpufreq modules with the kernel appropriate for your cpu!
[22:42] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch Oh good, how'd you get it installed? :O
[22:43] <hyper_ch> it failed becase I still had that failed install through the widget menu
[22:43] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: so I uninstalled it and then installed it through the cli again
[22:44] <Koordin> hi i have an annoying problem : i have to type 'sudo dhclient' in order to connect to internet and i have to retype it every minute in order not to be disconnected ; i'm on wifi ; does someone have an idea ?
[22:45] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch what kind of cpu do you have? ^^, intel, amd, model
[22:45] <hyper_ch> Koordin: use a static ip
[22:45] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: intel
[22:45] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: http://www.sjau.ch/hardware.html
[22:47] <isaacj87> is there a fix for kbluetooth4 yet?
[22:48] <hyper_ch> isaacj87: there is something wrong with kbluetooth4?
[22:48] <isaacj87> hyper_ch: it doesn't start on kde 4.2 beta 2
[22:48] <hyper_ch> isaacj87: no clue
[22:49] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: found it?
[22:50] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch is it p4, or newer? if it's p4 you need "p4-clockmod" if it's anything else, you need "acpi-cpufreq" , then cpufreq-ondemand, cpufreq_powersave, cpufreq_stats, cpufreq_userspace, cpuferq_conservative . Those are kernel modules, so modprobe each first, then for future reboots add to /etc/modules
[22:51] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: I gave you the link to my total hardware
[22:51] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: http://www.sjau.ch/hardware.html
[22:51] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch ya I saw, but i don't know what family Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2220 is in :P
[22:52] <hyper_ch> neither do I know ;)
[22:52] <hyper_ch> it's 64bit if that helps ;)
[22:52] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch so try modprobe acpi-cpufreq first (and all the governors, ondemand to conservative)
[22:52] <hyper_ch> hyper@xubi:~/Desktop$ sudo modprobe acpi-cpufreq
[22:52] <hyper_ch> [sudo] password for hyper:
[22:52] <hyper_ch> Sorry, try again.
[22:52] <hyper_ch> [sudo] password for hyper:
[22:52] <hyper_ch> FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
[22:53] <OxDeadC0de> dmesg | tail
[22:53] <OxDeadC0de> anything about it? :|
[22:54] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: nope
[22:56] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch looks like acpidump is the next step (probably need to install it :|)
[22:56] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: installed
[22:58] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: what now?
[22:58] <OxDeadC0de> run acpidump, pastebin the output
[22:59] <Nintendo> Why does kubuntu do sighup after 3 hours of using?
[22:59] <ngirard> Hi all. After upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 I can't access my cd writer (formerly /dev/hdd) any longer. Any thoughts ?
[22:59] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: any preferred pastebin?
[23:00] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/91871/
[23:01] <Koordin> hyper_ch : i've changed my /etc/network/interfaces to this : but i still have to write 'sudo dhclient' to be "really" connected : http://paste.ubuntu.com/91870/
[23:01] <hyper_ch> Koordin: nameserver does not belong in there
[23:01] <hyper_ch> Koordin: that belongs in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:01] <hyper_ch> Koordin: did you restart networking after editing?
[23:02] <psycho_sonic> i've got a quick question regarding knetwork manager
[23:02] <Koordin> yes
[23:02] <psycho_sonic> how do i manually enter the ssid/password of my network?
[23:02] <psycho_sonic> whenever I click on "manual configure" it just sends me to Network Settings
[23:03] <Koordin> hyper_ch : i have this when i restart : http://paste.ubuntu.com/91873/
[23:03] <hyper_ch> Koordin: no clue...
[23:04] <hyper_ch> Koordin: try to reboot
[23:04] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: I prefer WICD over knetwork manager
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch what happens when you try "sudo modprobe p4-clockmod"
[23:05] <psycho_sonic> i tried wicd, but it won't let me connect to either wep or wpa
[23:05] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: module not found
[23:05] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: works with wep and wpa
[23:05] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch try with P instead of p, P4-clockmod
[23:06] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: wicd works with wep and wpa and wpa2
[23:06] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: module not found
[23:06] <psycho_sonic> i know, but it isn't for me
[23:06] <psycho_sonic> it tells me to have security enabled
[23:07] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch well, according to forums posts, they say the latest intel hardware is only supported by the acpi module, but some of the newer hardware needs bios updates :|
[23:07] <OxDeadC0de> hyper_ch and it looks like you might be one of those cases unless you can enable/disable power management via an option in your bios
[23:07] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: not sure
[23:07] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: tun off wep :)
[23:07] <hyper_ch> turn
[23:07] <psycho_sonic> eh?
[23:07] <Koordin> hyper_ch : i think this worked ; let's hope so
[23:08] <psycho_sonic> what do you mean?
[23:08] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: turn off wep and wpa and wpa2
[23:08] <psycho_sonic> um
[23:08] <psycho_sonic> you mean on my card?
[23:08] <psycho_sonic> or on the router?
[23:08] <moDumass> morning all, um, noobish quetion, i innitially struggled with how to place things on the desktop panel, all sortred now, however i cant fiund the :4 virtual desktops widget that used to sit on my desktop
[23:08] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: on the router
[23:08] <moDumass> any ideas how to get the 4 desktops widget or panel notifier?
[23:09] <psycho_sonic> ...but then i'll have no security
[23:09] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: security from?
[23:09] <psycho_sonic> anyone else using my router
[23:09] <hyper_ch> having no encryption makes me more secure
[23:09] <psycho_sonic> wut
[23:09] <psycho_sonic> how
[23:10] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: very simple: I have fully encrypted my system
[23:10] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: if anyone ever confiscats my stuff, nothing can be proven
[23:10] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: by running an open wifi I can shift blame on someone else
[23:10] <hyper_ch> psycho_sonic: as I can't be held liable for running an open wifi
[23:10] <psycho_sonic> i just don't want people using my internet and slowing me down
[23:10] <hyper_ch> QoS
[23:10] <psycho_sonic> i don't have qos
[23:10] <psycho_sonic> on my router
[23:10] <psycho_sonic> :/
[23:11] <psycho_sonic> and this router doesn't support tomato or dd-wrt
[23:11] <hyper_ch> and legislation might be different for you
[23:12] <hyper_ch> well, it's one suggestion
[23:12] <OxDeadC0de>  hmm hyper_ch you're making me want to install a wifi card in my server and use it as a slow open AP
[23:12] <hyper_ch> another one would be to get a more compatible card
[23:12] <hyper_ch> OxDeadC0de: well, I don't know where you're from and what legislation is for you there
[23:12] <see-g> hyper_ch: unfortunately, legislation in here in Germany is quite clear: If you're running an open wifi, you're to blame for not making sure it's not being abused
[23:13] <OxDeadC0de> usa here, no idea either
[23:13] <hyper_ch> see-g: only hamburg is different from rest-germany
[23:13] <psycho_sonic> ok
[23:13] <psycho_sonic> well, thank you for your help
[23:13] <hyper_ch> see-g: frankfurt and berlin I think judged differently
[23:13] <see-g> (and a few months ago, we had the first case of someone being caught and sentenced for using someone else's wifi AP)
[23:14] <hyper_ch> see-g: using without consent?
[23:14] <see-g> yep
[23:15] <hyper_ch> that's something else
[23:15] <hyper_ch> can't compare that
[23:17] <see-g> I did not mean comparing "running an open access point" and "using someone else's AP without consent"
[23:18] <hyper_ch> see-g: sounded like it
[23:18] <hyper_ch> see-g: I use my open wifi AP to protect me
[23:19] <hyper_ch> see-g: fully encrypted system, no proof
[23:19] <hyper_ch> see-g: other viable users that could have been connected
[23:19] <see-g> great if that works for your country's legislation :)
[23:19] <hyper_ch> see-g: so I can't be held responsible
[23:19] <hyper_ch> see-g: it does
[23:19] <hyper_ch> see-g: an IP address cannot identify an individuum
[23:20] <crimsun> likewise, neither can MAC address
[23:20] <hyper_ch> mac addresses wont' get transmitted through a NAT router
[23:21] <crimsun> nope, but if someone makes the argument that you can deduce on the same lan segment, that's bunk
[23:21] <hyper_ch> cold boot attack is the only reasonable attack vector
[23:21] <hyper_ch> macs are as meaningless as a public IP
[23:21] <see-g> (german legislation) an IP address can identify the access point which has been used, there is a person responsible for running every access point ever set up; this person is also responsible for ensuring that its AP can not be abused
[23:21] <hyper_ch> see-g: that's wrong
[23:22] <hyper_ch> see-g: if a person can be hold responsible for having an access point
[23:22] <hyper_ch> see-g: then this person would require a licence to operate one
[23:22] <hyper_ch> see-g: as an access point would be required to be regarded as inherently dangerous
[23:22] <hyper_ch> see-g: as it is the case for cars and why you require a licence there
[23:22] <Guest40614> has kopete the feature to speak with microphone with my contacts??? because if yes, where is it :-p
[23:23] <hyper_ch> Guest40614: I think it has
[23:23] <hyper_ch> Guest40614: but it will probably depend on the underlaying protocol to be used
[23:23] <see-g> hyper_ch: you don't need a licence to operate an access point, you need an ISP to assign you an IP address (well, that's how it goes for 99% of us)
[23:23] <hyper_ch> see-g: if you could be hold responsible because you are the one who runs an AP
[23:23] <hyper_ch> see-g: then it's the same situation as in driving a car
[23:24] <Guest40614> hiper_ch: I am using messenger.. it shoud be there right?
[23:24] <Salze> hyper_ch: No, it's not - because there are different forms of "danger".
[23:24] <hyper_ch> see-g: if you can be held responsible just for doing that a state permissions is required
[23:24] <hyper_ch> Salze: where are you from?
[23:24] <Salze> Germany.
[23:24] <hyper_ch> Salze: ;)
[23:24] <see-g> hyper_ch: no, there is no state permission required to run an access point - you're just required to ensure that nobody's messing with it
[23:24] <hyper_ch> see-g: see, that's where it's wrong
[23:25] <see-g> hyper_ch: securing it by means of wireless transmission does not qualify as security measure in this case
[23:25] <hyper_ch> see-g: if you are required to ensure that nobody is messing around with it
[23:25] <hyper_ch> see-g: then legal ratio would be to grant a permission for those who are capable of doing so
[23:25] <hyper_ch> see-g: and hence they can be hold liable if they violate basic things
[23:25] <see-g> hyper_ch: I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't see anything wrong with someone driving safely without licence either...
[23:26] <hyper_ch> see-g: it's the same principle as with driving a car
[23:26] <see-g> hyper_ch: you don't think that "ratio" applies to politicians, do you?
[23:26] <hyper_ch> see-g: no, but luckily language is always inadequate and there's still legal ratio by judges ;)
[23:26] <Salze> hyper_ch: That's absolutely not the same principle. There's a big difference in putting lifes at risk to putting material values at risk.
[23:27] <hyper_ch> Salze: you make a difference there
[23:27] <hyper_ch> Salze: the legal framework on the liabilty is the same
[23:27] <see-g> hyper_ch: judges in germany usually follow the idea of "you run the AP, you're responsible for what's being done using it so either point out someone who has done it or face the consequences yourself"
[23:27] <Salze> hyper_ch: I do, and the law does.
[23:27] <hyper_ch> see-g: only in Hamburg
[23:28] <hyper_ch> Salze: gefährungshaftung vs. kausalhaftung
[23:28] <see-g> hyper_ch: really? AFAIK this applies to all of Germany
[23:28] <hyper_ch> Salze: it doesn't matter what other legal goods are at stake
[23:29] <hyper_ch> see-g: OLG Frankfurt decided differently from Hamburg
[23:29] <hyper_ch> and I think Berlin did also
[23:29] <see-g> I haven't been in the country for two years, though, and spent another one not being allowed messing in this kind of thingy
[23:29] <hyper_ch> there was another one
[23:29] <see-g> so I basically missed the last three year's development
[23:29] <hyper_ch> see-g: I follow it closely :)
[23:31] <see-g> I just set up access points and don't leave a clue that they've been set up by me
[23:31] <Salze> hyper_ch: Not close enough I guess. Try your arguement before any court, that a knife cannot be a harmful tool, since no license is required.
[23:31] <hyper_ch> Salze: you know the difference between Gefährungshaftund and Kausalhaftung?
[23:32] <Salze> hyper_ch: Probably not as good as you do.
[23:33] <hyper_ch> Salze: and for this discussion this differntiation is essential
[23:33] <hyper_ch> Salze: this differntiation explains why you need a licence to operate a car
[23:33] <Salze> hyper_ch: No, not in the sense that it is the only important point.
[23:33] <hyper_ch> Salze: and why you would equally require a licence to operate an access point according to the view in hamburg
[23:33] <hallowname> anyone want to try an artificial intelligence plasmoid? AIML interpreter plasmoid... u need kde trunk and qt trunk. it's at openbrain.sf.net
[23:34] <hallowname> anybody know how to get my code into playground?
[23:34] <Salze> hyper_ch: No, cause you don't need licenses for knife, too...independent of the city.
[23:34] <hyper_ch> Salze: without knowing this difference there is no point in disucssing it
[23:34] <hyper_ch> Salze: the same as differntiating between: Mord, vorsätzliche Tötung, fährlässige Tötung, Todesfolge, ........
[23:35] <hyper_ch> Salze: those are essential concepts to understand legal classification
[23:35] <Salze> hyper_ch: That, too, might be interessting in itself - but has nothing to do with your comparison between cars and APs.
[23:35] <hyper_ch> Salze: everything has to do with it
[23:36] <hyper_ch> it's all about liability and for that you need to understand this differentiation
[23:37] <Salze> hyper_ch: The most basic understanding of those things is enough to understand the flaw in the comparison between cars and APs.
[23:37] <hyper_ch> Salze: if you don't understand this differntiation then you are in no position to say there's a flaw in comparision ;)
[23:38] <Salze> hyper_ch: I didn't say I don't understand the difference. Read more closely, please. ;-)
[23:38] <hyper_ch> Salze: please explain it then to me
[23:39] <Salze> hyper_ch: I said that I probably don't understand it as good as you do. But to see the flaw in your comparison, no deep knowledge is necessary. Basic knowledge is enough.
[23:40] <hyper_ch> Salze: how can you judge a thing you don't understand and declare something does not apply?
[23:40] <hyper_ch> Salze: there's no point discussing this further
[23:40] <Salze> hyper_ch: I repeat: I did not say I don't understand it.
[23:41] <hyper_ch> Salze: what you said is enough to conclude you don't understand the difference
[23:41] <Salze> hyper_ch: That might be true - cause you seem to be unable to see the difference of an absolute to a relative statement.
[23:41] <hyper_ch> whatever
[23:42] <Salze> Yes, whatever - I'll go locking for my license to operate my knife, now. ;-) I'm hungry. :-D
[23:46] <see-g> grml ... they could have told me...
[23:47] <see-g> ...I've been trying to figure out what happened to my dad's printer for an hour or so and they said they did not do anything; actually they unplugged it from the USB and plugged it into the parrallel port...
[23:47] <see-g> ...noticing that, it took me half a minute to fix :)
[23:51] <bernd_> hi
[23:52] <wesley> Guys i like to know what is a free alternative to autocad
[23:52] <bernd_> i know qcad
[23:53] <hallowname> wesley: yea qcad ain't so bad... blender? inkscape?
[23:54] <wesley> also i going build a mini itx pc, is it okay to use a normal psu ? because those special ones are not cheap
[23:58] <wesley> i going design my own wooden mini itx case
[23:58] <cwiedel> hi. I need some help. My down arrow doesnt work