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ScottKcjwatson: I've done it (accidentallly uploaded to Ubuntu).  It was a package I meant for a PPA.00:09
ScottKAnd yes, I did change mine after that to require me to specify ubuntu as an upload target.00:09
cjwatsonScottK: fair enough. Of course it's a bug that PPAs use the same upload target scheme as Ubuntu.00:17
cody-somervillecjwatson, no it isn't00:24
cody-somervillecjwatson, may be undesirable but I wouldn't call it a bug00:25
cody-somervillecjwatson, It is possible for other distributions to have PPAs00:25
persiacody-somerville, Traditionally, responsible third-party repositories selected different series names for releases, to better identify the appropriate place for any given upload, as reflected in the changelog.00:28
persiaTo me, it would make more sense, assuming the bug was fixed, to do something where dput would upload to the location identified by the target in debian/changelog except when overridden.00:28
cody-somervilleI disagree00:29
persiaUnfortunately, with the current state of PPAs, this means an override is required for each PPA upload, which doesn't solve your use case.00:29
persiaWhy?00:29
cody-somervillepersia, I think you'd find it logical for different repositories that are providing additional packages to have the same corresponding name for the targetted distroseries.00:30
persiaNot at all, because I would expect the builds to differ because there are different packages therein.00:31
cody-somervillepersia, so you expect end users to go hunting down all the third party repositories to find out what the new codename is for the new distroseries every six months?00:32
persiaDoesn't affect end-users at all, and yes, I expect developers working on multiple projects to keep track of changes to upload targets in those projects to which they contribute.00:33
cody-somervilleHobbsee, I've already filed a bug and sent Debian an e-mail00:33
cody-somervillepersia, how does it not affect end-users?00:33
Hobbseecody-somerville: cool.  just checking :)00:33
persiacody-somerville, Because end-users only need the URL of the repos they want: they don't care how it got there.00:33
cody-somervillepersia, not true. You also need to know the distroseries name00:34
persiaFurther, differentiation by targets in the changelog is beneficial to end-users, because they can see points of differentiation in derivative repos.00:34
cody-somervilleI agree with that point00:35
persiacody-somerville, Right.  You need a string, which includes a URL and a name.  And yes, I do expect users of multiple repositories to track them: otherwise we get back into the troubles we saw when there was a wealth of advertised third-party repos about 5 years ago.00:36
cjwatsoncody-somerville: I'm not sure how my statement conflicts with the possibility of other distributions having PPAs00:37
cody-somervillepersia, so, what would you suggest for distroseries names for PPAs?00:37
cody-somervillecody-somerville-hardy, cody-somerville-intrepid?00:37
ScottK-desktopEven if it was jaunty-ppa it'd be fine.00:37
cjwatsoncody-somerville: it's a bug because you can take a signed upload that somebody had intended for a PPA, and subvert their intent by uploading to Ubuntu00:37
cody-somervilleScottK-desktop, but then all the PPAs are the same00:38
persiaI'd prefer something like jaunty-ppa00:38
cjwatsoncody-somerville: without having to re-sign00:38
ScottK-desktopcody-somerville: Fine with me.  They aren't the same distro as Ubuntu.00:38
persiacody-somerville, I don't care about differentiation between PPAs.  I know that's being small-minded, but it's true.00:38
cjwatsoncody-somerville: the thing that goes at the top of debian/changelog has absolutely zip to do with what end users have to know about.00:38
ScottK-desktop+100:38
persiacjwatson, There's a workaround blocker for that, but it was true for a year or so.00:39
cody-somervilleIf we don't care about that then I'd strongly be in favour of changing it as well to have another pocket for PPA uploads00:39
cjwatsonpersia: right, but people might well still publish the signed object somewhere without realising the problem00:39
cjwatsone.g. for review00:39
persiaAh.  That would indeed be dangerous.00:39
cody-somervilleright... how *do* we prevent a third-party someone taking a package in a PPA of a developer and reuploading it to Ubuntu?00:40
cjwatsonby making the thing at the top of debian/changelog different, as I said a page back00:41
cjwatsoni.e. the upload target00:41
cody-somervilleright, but its currently the same for PPA and Ubuntu, no?00:42
persiacody-somerville, Which is the bug.00:44
cjwatsonas I've been saying00:44
cody-somervilleScary.00:44
cody-somervilleHobbsee, so I'll change it back to Ubuntu00:51
* ScottK-desktop comes back to the conversation and turns around in a circle.00:51
cody-somervilleScottK-desktop, or would ScottK-desktop like to sponsor? :)00:52
* ScottK-desktop is desparately trying to get some $WORK done before leaving town for Christmas vacation00:53
ScottK-desktopso no.00:53
Hobbseecody-somerville: oh good :)00:53
cody-somervilleHobbsee, I don't think upstream is going to take the sftp transport patch because it introduces a dependency on bzr :P00:54
cody-somerville(or recommends, sorry)00:54
Hobbseecody-somerville: that's a point.  Although they might for the sake of compatibility, but bump bzr to suggests ;)00:55
persiaWhy does sftp require bzr?00:55
cody-somervillepersia, because I use the bzrlib.transport module00:58
cody-somervilleHobbsee, It is a suggests, sorry00:59
Hobbseeoh.00:59
Hobbseeon that basis, they probably would.00:59
Hobbseebzr's in debian01:00
cody-somervilleHobbsee, maybe they just haven't gotten around to it. I know they took one of my other fixes in my last upload.01:00
Hobbseei saw that01:00
avbbzrlib.transport01:13
avbwhy not usual openssl?01:13
cody-somervilleavb, if you'd like to rewrite it to use openssl directly, be my guest.01:18
* cody-somerville will be back later.01:21
mrooneybryce: around?03:46
mrooneybryce: I've added a workaround section to the description of bug 284408, if you could enhance or fix it in any way I would appreciate it, I'm not sure if everyone should be installing -ati or what.03:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284408 in fglrx-installer "r3xx Hardware does not work with fglrx [EPR#257839]" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28440803:52
brycemrooney: thanks, yes that looks good (on quick glance)04:00
brycemrooney: and yes, people with problems using -fglrx should switch to -ati.  -ati is a pretty decent driver nowadays04:01
mrooneybryce: okay, thanks, and those purges are all good?04:01
brycemrooney: -radeonhd is another open source option people have, although we don't give it as much attention in ubuntu as -ati04:01
brycemrooney: well, -radeon is just an alias for -ati so I'm not sure if that's required, but it doesn't hurt04:02
brycemrooney: also I'm not certain if they'd need to purge/reinstall mesa04:02
brycefglrx has some glx bits that overwrite the corresponding files that -ati uses.  Not sure whether that would get automatically cleaned up or not04:03
mrooneyyeah I think that's why -ati is purged and then installed, although a reinstall might suffice04:03
gnomefreakbryce: are you working on X in Jaunty?04:14
mrooneybryce: okay, well thanks for your help! I figured once people started posting comments to remove your video card someone had better post a formal workaround and stop all the confusion04:14
brycegnomefreak: hmm?04:15
brycemrooney: heh, very true!04:15
brycemrooney: it's much appreciated; I'm probably going to be scaling back the amount of attention I give to -fglrx bugs going forward, with the hope that community folks like yourself can assist other users with questions and so on04:16
mrooneybryce: yeah, -ati seems to be really shaping up! I am glad for this bug actually or I never would have found out :)04:16
mrooneybryce: good night for now, it was nice meeting you at UDS04:17
brycemrooney: :-)04:18
mcasadevallfreeflying, ping05:16
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NCommanderCan a buildd admin please rescore kde4bindings on armel?05:20
freeflyingNCommander: I'm not in charge of buildd :)05:31
bluesmokebryce: just fyi, bug 310228 should be closed as invalid as removing that patch drastically reduces performance when using a compositor05:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310228 in xorg "patch 107_fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none.patch causes video garbage in KDE 4 (dup-of: 254468)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31022805:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 254468 in xorg-server "[KDE4] momentary video garbage upon drawing new objects" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25446805:42
bluesmokeoh, it got duped05:42
bluesmokeanyway, same message05:43
bluesmoke<ajax> so what gnome quite sensibly does is tells the compositor not to show the window contents until they're painted, using the same sync protocol that window resizing uses.05:44
bluesmokethat's the 'fix' for GNOME to make it not show garbage, KDE needs to do something similar05:44
bluesmokeoh, I guess he is in US too and won't see that for some time...05:45
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NCommanderCan a core developer kick the retry button on opie in main for armel?07:33
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fargiolashow long does it take for a package that has been pushed into repositories to actually be available for install? I'm asking because lool said he pushed libv4l 0.5.7 (bug 308890) but I cannot see it yet in -proposed07:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308890 in libv4l "SRU for libv4l 0.5.7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30889007:48
NCommanderfabbione, in the case of the proposed repos, an SRU member must ACK it and an archive admin must accept it08:09
NCommanderIt doesn't enter the proposed archive automatically08:09
fargiolasNCommander: oh I though "pushed" there meant that it has been pushed in -proposed08:12
NCommanderNope08:12
NCommanderI assume you got an email from Ubuntu Installer when your patch was sponsored?08:12
fargiolasso is there any SRU member here to ACK it?08:12
fargiolasNCommander: I'm not the author of the patch08:12
NCommanderoh08:12
fargiolasNCommander: I'm a cheese developer and I already have at least 3 bugs in bugzilla caused by that08:13
NCommanderOh, I see08:13
NCommanderLoic already did the right thing08:13
NCommanderIts just a matter of waiting08:13
fargiolasNCommander: ok, I just wanted to sure what to say to reporters (either enable proposed or wait until it gets in proposed)08:14
NCommanderOnce it enters proposed, the buildds will get it, and it usually will be available within a few hours of acceptence08:14
fargiolas*to be08:14
dholbachgood morning08:48
NCommandermorning dholbach08:49
dholbachhi NCommander08:49
dholbachNCommander: just looking at the python-qt thing08:49
NCommanderwhich one :-)08:50
dholbachthe fixed replaces08:50
NCommanderah, that one08:50
NCommanderdholbach, since we're on the topic, can you please retry opie on armel for me?08:54
NCommander(of sponsoring stuff ;-))08:54
dholbachNCommander: err?08:54
NCommanderdholbach, can you retry a build for me on armel?08:55
dholbachNCommander: done08:56
NCommanderthanks08:56
dholbachis there something we can do about  http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=276 ?10:21
tseliotRiddell: I should write a patch for the randr kcm module instead of writing a new module (since I only need to add an option to restore X restart with "ctrl-alt-backspace"), right?11:12
cjwatsondholbach: I've a feeling that the fix needs to be on the vmware side - it looks like basically the same kind of thing we had to fix in kvm to cope with the switch to evdev11:13
RainCTstgraber: congrats :)11:14
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dholbachcjwatson: OK, thanks11:20
Riddelltseliot: yes, if there's space for such a tickbox11:33
tseliotRiddell: ok, thanks11:33
* directhex wonders who's bored and in an archive adminning mood11:35
Riddelldirecthex: I'm on duty today11:37
directhexRiddell, lucky you!11:38
directhexRiddell, feel like waving your magic wand at bug 308497, bug 308500, bug 308498 ?11:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308497 in monodevelop "Please sync monodevelop 1.0+dfsg-4 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30849711:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308500 in gbrainy "Please sync gbrainy 1.00-2 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30850011:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 308498 in ubuntu "Please sync banshee-extension-mirage 0.4.0-3 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30849811:38
Riddelldirecthex: done11:43
directhexneato. cheers11:43
apwdoes anyone know if you can do binary uploads to PPA's11:50
Laneyyou can't11:51
directhexyou can't do binary uploads full stop. PPAs are no different11:51
directhexand any archive admin who corrects me on that point gets a stab ;)11:52
directhexgah. yes, i've seen it. i'll stab meebey when he wakes up11:59
Laneyhm?12:00
directhex * Source Package: monodevelop12:00
directhex * State: Failed to build12:00
directhexthe same mono-cairo.pc problem that plagued slangasek's gtk# upload12:01
directhexwhich begs the question "how was it uploaded to experimental12:01
Laneydid it build for exp?12:01
Laney^12:01
directhexi suspect a dirty chroot12:01
Laneysilly binary uploads12:01
directhexhence stab time!12:01
directhexi can 4ubuntu1 a workaround, but i'd rather the fix go to exp & then sync12:03
directhexi think it's time to move mono-cairo.pc to libmono2.0 instead of libmono1.0, don't you?12:03
Laneydirecthex: Always test your syncs ;)12:03
directhexsigh, i know, i know. i thought i had. i filed the last week12:04
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Riddelldholbach: do you have a magic way to mass close bugs?  e.g. bug 31088813:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310888 in kwin-style-serenity "Please remove obsolete KDE 3 styles from Jaunty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31088813:04
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NCommanderdholbach, email13:11
NCommanderer, Riddell13:11
NCommanderDoes anyone know what could selectively cause one button to stop registering clicks to it?13:11
RiddellNCommander: nothing in my e-mail13:19
NCommanderRiddell, no, use email to close all the tasks13:19
Riddellhmm, that means learning a whole new user interface13:21
NCommanderpretty much13:22
NCommanderThere is also that LP gui that can do it13:22
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apwbefore launchpad, did ubuntu bugs reside 'elsewhere'?  i have a reference to an ubuntu bug #nnnn which is clearly not the launchpad bug and am trying to locate it14:04
cjwatsonyes, they were in a Bugzilla instance14:05
cjwatsonapw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/ubuntu-bugzilla/<bugnumber> will redirect you to the Launchpad import of that bug14:05
apwooo arr cantana14:05
apw(thanks)14:05
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Riddellasac: alive?  do you know why there's a new chatzilla package in New?15:00
cody-somervilleCan an archive admin look at bug #310821 ?15:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 310821 in xubuntu-meta "Please copy Xfce 4.4.3 to intrepid-proposed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31082115:04
cody-somervilleBefore I ack with my motu-sru hat on, I'd like an archive admin to ack15:05
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Riddellcody-somerville: you want an archive admin to ack so you can ack so an archive admin can do it?16:10
cody-somervilleRiddell, I want to ensure that the process can be smooth and go without a hitch16:11
Riddellcody-somerville: I don't see there would be any problem16:13
dholbachNCommander: no, sorry17:02
NCommanderdholbach, no to what?17:02
dholbachNCommander: ... err Riddell: ^^ :)17:04
dholbachno magic auto-closing way17:04
dholbachexcusez moi17:04
asacRiddell: yes. its a ffox extension ... the other thing in the archive is seamonkey17:26
asacRiddell: (i assume you had archive day ... did you reject bugmail extension?)17:29
Riddellasac: I did reject bugmail yes17:31
asacRiddell: ok did you send an explanation somewhere ;)?17:32
Riddellasac: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-December/023488.html17:32
asacRiddell: ok i uploaded it because all but the trivial files have an explicit GPLv3 header in it17:35
asacanyway upstream already said they would add it17:35
Riddellit really needs the full licence text17:35
Riddellfor my approval anyway, other archive admins may vary17:36
asackk17:36
msaraujohi, I am getting this error when trying to compile ruby (trunk version)18:09
msaraujovsnprintf.c:1185: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to ‘snprintf’: redefined extern inline functions are not considered for inlining18:09
msaraujois there anyone here that can help?18:10
Adri2000ok18:13
Adri2000oops18:13
Q-FUNKhowdy!   is there anything missing to get xserver-xorg-video-geode 2.9.0-1ubuntu2.5 from hardy-proposed into hardy-updates?18:24
slangasekthe bug status doesn't reflect that it's gotten any testing at all in -proposed18:24
slangasekso, yes, "testing" is missing. :)18:25
Q-FUNK:)18:25
Q-FUNKslangasek: ok. so where would anyone confirm that testing was conclusive and support a move to -updates?18:26
Q-FUNKööö... express support for a move to -updates?18:26
cjwatsonin the bug18:27
cjwatsonlinked from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html18:27
slangasekhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Verification18:27
cjwatsonoops, I copied cairo to intrepid-updates a bit early, sorry18:31
cjwatsonpitti: ^-18:31
* directhex stabs cairo18:31
cjwatsononly by one day though18:32
Q-FUNKthat would be bug #25599118:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255991 in xserver-xorg-video-geode "xf86-video-geode: DDC probing broken on GX2/CS5535 since 2.9.0 (patch)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25599118:34
looldoko: Just noticed this today, but python-central moves .py to /usr/share/pyshared but these might be arch specific (/usr/share/pyshared/PyQt4/pyqtconfig.py for instance); that'd bad, why /usr/share/pyshared and not /usr/lib/pyshared?18:48
Riddellcjwatson: doing New queue?19:50
cjwatsonfinished19:53
cjwatsonI did a bit19:53
cjwatsonlool: I acked bug 309674, in case you're still around to upload that19:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 309674 in pygobject "python-gobject in hardy-updates on sparc misbuilt only for python2.5" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30967419:55
directhexaha, it was cjwatson who pulled in banshee-extension-mirage from NEW20:08
directhexit's a neat plugin - it takes ages to scan your library, but you can pick a track & it'll generate playlists based in the "feel" of your chosen track. i think itunes has a similar feature20:09
wasabiso i guess msn telepathy is broken in intrepid in some fashion?20:11
wasabi(or is it just me?)20:11
Treenakswasabi: empathy works great for me.. waht's broken?20:12
wasabiWon't connect. Network error.20:12
wasabiIt stopped like... a week or two ago.20:12
wasabiI was thinking it was a protocol/server change that nobody kept up with.20:12
Treenakswasabi: which protocol? because gtalk, msn, aol/icq work for me20:13
wasabimsn.20:13
wasabiactually. i'm not sure what it is now... when i enable the account it says network error, but actually I see no packets.20:13
wasabimaybe it is just me20:13
Treenakswasabi: maybe you deinstalled the package?20:14
wasabinope20:14
Treenakswasabi: firewall rules?20:19
wasabino firewall.20:21
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cr3what's the wiki page describing how to request an update of a package which has been renamed in main?21:15
cr3bug #257746 has not seen much action in a while and might need review before DIF, should I do anything so that it doesn't fall through the cracks?21:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 257746 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] checkbox" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25774621:31
cody-somervillejdstrand, ping22:23
jdstrandcody-somerville: pong?22:24
cody-somervillejdstrand, I got another dput upload for you to sponsor :)22:24
jdstrandcody-somerville: sure, np22:24
cody-somervillejdstrand, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dput/+bug/31075422:24
ubottuUbuntu bug 310754 in dput "Merge dput 0.9.2.36 from debian unstable (main)" [Low,Triaged]22:24
jdstrandcody-somerville: is the changelog correct in that debdiff?22:26
cody-somervillejdstrand, yup22:26
cody-somervillejdstrand, re comment #6?22:27
jdstrandcody-somerville: yes22:27
cody-somervilleyup22:27
jdstrandcody-somerville: done22:47
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cody-somervillejdstrand, thanks22:48
jdstrandcody-somerville: and fwiw, I think you made the right choice to keep default_main_host as is22:49
jdstrandpeople will likely have opinions on that one22:49
* cody-somerville nods.22:50
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slangasekdoes anyone here have experience with editmoin?23:38
slangasekI don't seem to be able to get it working against wiki.u.c, it consistently gives me a permission error even after configuring it23:39
nhandlerslangasek: I got it working23:40
slangasekis there a secret I'm missing? :)23:40
nhandlerDid you get your MOIN_SESSION or w/e it is called?23:41
* nhandler is pulling up the namme23:41
slangasekI grabbed the value of the "MOIN_ID" cookie under the wiki.ubuntu.com domain out of firefox, and pasted the unquoted content of the cookie into .moin_ds23:41
slangasek.moin_ids, rather23:41
slangasekdo I need to leave the quotes in, or am I supposed to be using MOIN_SESSION instead or something?23:42
nhandlerSo what does your .moin_ids file look like?23:42
slangasekhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com<tab>$cookie23:42
slangasekthat's what I understood from the manpage, though the manpage seems to have mangled formatting23:42
nhandlerAnd how are you going about editing the wiki page (or trying to)23:43
slangaseka variety of ways23:43
slangasekfwiw, I just found the answer: the file is called .moin_ids, but the cookie you need is MOIN_SESSION23:43
slangasekthanks :)23:43
nhandlerslangasek: Sorry about that. I'm not on my ubuntu machine right now.23:44
nhandlerGlad you got it working23:44
slangasekguess the manpage needs updating, then23:45

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