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| lukehasnoname | http://pastebin.com/m54650694 | 06:08 |
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| lukehasnoname | That error gets written to /var/log/messages constantly until my root drive is filled. | 06:08 |
| lukehasnoname | What does it mean for the 'swapper to be tainted' | 06:09 |
| lukehasnoname | ? | 06:09 |
| lukehasnoname | google is my friend | 07:12 |
| apw | lukehasnoname, swapper isn't tainted, the swapper is running when the error occured. your kernel is tainted 'P' meaning it has proprietry binary blobs loaded into it | 08:56 |
| sim__ | hi, will a sync(2) call cascade to the ATA layer so that the disk write cache is also flushed? | 10:19 |
| apw | i thought that most ata drives were write through anyhow? | 10:45 |
| apw | [ 151.346413] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through | 10:45 |
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| sconklin | so pgraner_lt, apw: want to talk about where we put suspend/resume reports in launchpad? | 15:53 |
| apw | sconklin, hi | 16:13 |
| sconklin | apw: good afternoon. | 16:13 |
| apw | i would think directly onto the linux package, with a tag of something like suspend-resume or something | 16:13 |
| apw | moin | 16:13 |
| sconklin | apw: the choices for reporting things against the kernel are Oops or panic - I should be able to get it to report as an oops with the special tag. It appears (after chatting with Leann) that apport oopses get tagged with "apport-kerneloops" and there aren't many bugs tagged with that. With an additional tag, it might be enough to manage work flow. | 16:17 |
| sconklin | I'll cobble that in, test it, and mail the script around | 16:20 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: there is currently a "suspend" tag being used in launchpad so I'm not sure if you'd want to use that | 16:21 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=suspend | 16:22 |
| zul | ls | 16:22 |
| apw | sconklin, what limits us to oops and panic? those presumably are things in apport land? | 16:23 |
| apw | i thought the point was it was very extensible, 'a few lines for a new report' | 16:24 |
| sconklin | apw: yes. There are a few basic types of reports you can make. But - I'm looking at this now. The docs says you can make a report that's a generic "Bug", but I don't see support for that in the apport source. I'm going to do more looking and some experiments. | 16:25 |
| apw | cool, i have got petes modified version of the sleep script and am going to merge that down tommorow with mine | 16:26 |
| apw | and send it out to us all for testing | 16:26 |
| ogasawara | apw, sconklin: I was going to start tagging existing bugs about suspend or hibernate with their respective "suspend" and "hibernate" tags launchpad since those tags are already being used | 16:26 |
| apw | ogasawara, sound plan in my mind, as those two are in use | 16:26 |
| apw | is there also a resume one? | 16:27 |
| ogasawara | hrm, lemme check | 16:27 |
| ogasawara | apw: there is - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=resume | 16:27 |
| apw | and can we check for all three at once? as long as we can do that we ahve the 'suspend-resume-broken' set | 16:28 |
| * sconklin needs to see how tags get set in bugs reported by apport | 16:28 | |
| apw | i would hope there is a tag entry in the python dictionary | 16:28 |
| * apw watches christmas creep up on him, yeeks | 16:29 | |
| sconklin | tags are set in the launchpad back end, not sure they're exposed in the UI - but I'll find a way :) | 16:29 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: I use python-launchpad-bugs | 16:30 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: I also think the new launchpad api will probably allow it, although I haven't done any testing with it | 16:30 |
| apw | this needs to be on the user end, in apport tho | 16:31 |
| sconklin | right, I meant on the apport end. | 16:35 |
| sconklin | but I'll eventually end up on the other end too. | 16:35 |
| ogasawara | apw: you can check for multiple tags for ex https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=suspend+resume however, that will show bugs tagged "suspend" || "resume" | 16:38 |
| sconklin | tags are set automatically in the apport backend for launchpad from a small set, and aren't exposed from the reports. | 16:40 |
| apw | ogasawara, or is what we want, any of the above | 16:43 |
| apw | sconklin, well thats a bit pants isn't it? | 16:43 |
| ogasawara | apw: cool, then we're good | 16:43 |
| sconklin | apw: this is all fun stuff to learn about, too bad it's due yesterday. :) | 16:45 |
| ogasawara | heh | 16:45 |
| apw | we're not in _that_ much of a hurry | 16:45 |
| sconklin | apw: I had hoped to at least have a firm plan before the break, but at least I know we can do it with the tools we have. | 16:46 |
| apw | yeah | 16:51 |
| apw | have you managed to report any bugs yet? | 16:51 |
| sconklin | apw: well, I sent one up, and it vanished. I think it failed to get into launchpad because (for reasons I don't understand) it was reported against the linux-meta package. | 16:53 |
| apw | heh, going to be a battle for sure | 16:53 |
| sconklin | apw: I'm adding code to include the tags as a test, then I'll try again. It depends on whether launchpad will process multiple "Tag" tags in the mime data. | 16:54 |
| apw | ah ok | 16:54 |
| * apw gets a reminder for his cancelled meeting | 16:54 | |
| apw | noting that the reminder even has cancelled in the text of the reminder!?! | 16:54 |
| sconklin | Leann suggested reporting against staging.launchpad.com, but the URLs are hard-coded in the apport back end. I think I'll talk with pitti about that when he returns after holidays and submit a patch | 16:55 |
| apw | yeah sounds like there is abunch of work needed on apport as well | 16:55 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: not a big deal to me if you can't use staging for testing purposes - I can ignore test bugs. | 16:56 |
| sconklin | In general, I think it's really well written, we just want to extend it in ways pitti didn't think about | 16:56 |
| sconklin | ogasawara: ok, thanks. If I can get arbitrary tags in there, this will be no big deal. | 16:57 |
| sconklin | in this test script, every report also has a tag "Aattention: 'This is a test of apport report generation, please delete and do not process'" and "Originator: (me)" | 16:58 |
| sconklin | Aattention is misspelled on purpose, to drive it to the top alphabetically | 16:58 |
| apw | heh | 16:59 |
| apw | sconklin, so are you going to expose the tags to the drivers here? | 17:03 |
| apw | ie allow the report to add tags directly? | 17:03 |
| apw | it looks like a two line patch to expose tags i think | 17:06 |
| sconklin | apw: That's what I'm studying the code to test now. Using existing apport UI, I can add a second "Tags" to the mime info that's sent up during the launchpad submission. I can't add tags to the existing place where they're written. It will work as long as the launchpad end handles more than one "Tags". | 17:06 |
| mrec | Hi, does anyone know about the em28xx driver here? | 17:07 |
| apw | if not we woul djust need to fix the apport to hdr['Tags'] += report.get('Tags') sort of thing | 17:07 |
| apw | mrec, what you want to know about it? | 17:07 |
| mrec | maybe a solution should come up for ubuntu, the kernelstuff is just a mess and there won't be any official manufacturer support for it for some reason. | 17:07 |
| mrec | well there are 2 drivers available now | 17:08 |
| mrec | one which supports most devices and one which won't ever have support for the latest devices | 17:08 |
| mrec | I was providing debian packages for ubuntu for a while now | 17:08 |
| apw | so what is wrong with the kernel as it stands, offering the wrong one of the two drivers? | 17:09 |
| mrec | yes they'll go their own way without official support. | 17:10 |
| mrec | I gave them the possibility to use the fully supported driver, but the v4l maintainer wants to go his own way | 17:11 |
| mrec | so I won't contribute to the linux kernel anymore. | 17:11 |
| apw | thats a shame | 17:11 |
| mrec | some companies who we work with don't want everything opensourced anymore either. | 17:11 |
| mrec | well it's linux I acknowlidge it. | 17:12 |
| apw | then they are going to find they can't offer their devices on netbooks and the like, so i guess people will have to use different hardware, their loss i guess | 17:12 |
| mrec | there are not that many possibilities available out there | 17:13 |
| mrec | and that company is likely market leader | 17:13 |
| mrec | main business is done with windows and OSX right now anyway | 17:13 |
| apw | indeed, but if we can't use 'em then we can't use 'em, its not like we have a choice without a driver | 17:13 |
| apw | so until it hurts them in the pocket book we have no pressure to put on them | 17:14 |
| mrec | it won't hurt since they pay me for adding support for it | 17:14 |
| laga | is it open source? | 17:14 |
| apw | but i thought you weren't doing it any more? | 17:14 |
| mrec | not everything. | 17:14 |
| mrec | I won't contribute to the kernel directly and only provide packages | 17:15 |
| mrec | but some devices can work without that proprietary stuff | 17:15 |
| laga | so there's another delta ubuntu needs to maintain | 17:15 |
| mrec | I could help to maintain it for ubuntu | 17:16 |
| mrec | I provided driver packages earlier already right now | 17:16 |
| apw | mrec, only binary packages? | 17:16 |
| mrec | my connection is a bit weak here.. | 17:16 |
| mrec | I prebuilt the sources which I are available right now | 17:17 |
| mrec | the upcoming devices will use the i2c-dev interface for configuring those proprietary DVB-C/DVB-T/ATSC chips | 17:17 |
| mrec | so nothing unusual actually | 17:17 |
| mrec | my personal goal is just to have those things work. Not one step further. | 17:19 |
| mrec | so I can work on the next project actually. | 17:19 |
| apw | ok, not really sure what the question is | 17:19 |
| apw | what it is you are proposing? requesting? | 17:20 |
| mrec | to add the current driver | 17:20 |
| mrec | http://mcentral.de/hg/~mrec/em28xx-new/shortlog/ | 17:20 |
| mrec | linuxtv is only developed by a few volunteers adding code now and then, that code has a dedicated development tree | 17:21 |
| mrec | that driver* | 17:22 |
| mrec | how does that linux-ubuntu-modules package actually work out? | 17:23 |
| mrec | especially the release cycles? | 17:23 |
| mrec | I usually build that module against the lum packages and make debian packages out of those binaries so people can just load the drivers | 17:23 |
| mrec | if I'd know when new packages will come out I could just prepare the packages | 17:24 |
| apw | well l-u-m has gone as of intrepid | 17:24 |
| apw | they are now integrated into the kernel package | 17:24 |
| mrec | ah great! | 17:24 |
| mrec | the linuxtv.org code updates the full media framework which makes it impossible to compile other drivers against it as soon as it's installed. | 17:25 |
| mrec | the code in that mcentral.de repository only installs the driver against the current kernel | 17:25 |
| ion_ | When will smb come? | 17:25 |
| mrec | it won't touch any framework still while adding newer devices | 17:25 |
| apw | ok, well i would think the right thing to do is to email the kernel-team mailing list with a request for it to be added as an ubuntu module. that would need to contain a justification on why we would want to carry it, why it is out of the mainline tree etc | 17:27 |
| mrec | it's just a bad situation, they told me to add my changes to the official module but I won't do that since I'm only working on adding newer devices to that code anymore. | 17:28 |
| mrec | I won't get paid for rewriting any code and I have alot more to do than to work for some "enthusiasts" | 17:28 |
| mrec | just as they won't work for me so it's a stuck situation | 17:29 |
| laga | "i'm too lazy to submit my code properly so i'll just put the burden on the distros"? | 17:29 |
| mrec | no my code is properly | 17:29 |
| mrec | has been developed constantly | 17:29 |
| mrec | the reason is we won't replace another driver | 17:30 |
| mrec | submit smaller patches | 17:30 |
| mjg59 | This is the userspace tuner stuff? | 17:30 |
| mjg59 | I don't see that ever going upstream | 17:30 |
| mrec | no, but I'm going that way in future | 17:30 |
| mrec | but using i2c-dev | 17:30 |
| mrec | noone can complain because it already exists | 17:30 |
| mrec | and was made for such things | 17:30 |
| mjg59 | People can continue to complain | 17:31 |
| mrec | well i2c-dev is there | 17:31 |
| mjg59 | Yes, but that's not the point | 17:31 |
| mrec | and there's not even one player which works properly with those devices so I started another one. | 17:31 |
| mrec | I know alot about DVB and analogTV way more than this v4l maintainer | 17:31 |
| mrec | he's protecting his position nothing else but people don't see that. | 17:31 |
| mjg59 | That's really not the point | 17:32 |
| mrec | the point is that the code has been declined years ago | 17:32 |
| mrec | for no reason without any userspace stuff | 17:32 |
| mjg59 | When it's practical to write an in-kernel driver, pushing gobs of it out to userspace in order to facilitate non-free drivers isn't going to fly | 17:32 |
| mrec | by people who didn't commit any code to the kernel | 17:32 |
| mrec | I have an inkernel driver right now | 17:32 |
| mrec | and I had it at the first point | 17:32 |
| mrec | the userspace work was developed with the BSD idea in mind | 17:33 |
| mrec | BSD does tuning in userspace too | 17:33 |
| mjg59 | The BSDs have many design decisions that don't fit with how things are done in Linux | 17:34 |
| mrec | the linux DVB api hardlocked any machine a few years ago when unplugging USB devices till I submitted a patch | 17:34 |
| mrec | this never happened with BSD that way | 17:34 |
| mrec | there are good and bad things everywhere | 17:34 |
| mrec | my goal is to have that stuff work with the least resistance | 17:34 |
| mrec | and now noone can put a stone into my way anymore | 17:35 |
| mrec | there are alot people who never wrote any line of code who discussed that issue back then | 17:35 |
| mjg59 | Well, other than various distributions never shipping your code | 17:35 |
| mrec | I know the current issues about v4l and dvb too | 17:35 |
| mrec | and I won't have that issue. | 17:36 |
| mrec | I only need a few ones | 17:36 |
| mrec | I installed ubuntu recently, it didn't support that device either firmware was missing. | 17:36 |
| mrec | and no applications support audio either as mentioned | 17:36 |
| mrec | http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/ISDB-T | 17:37 |
| mrec | I have this one now which detects and supports all the device modes for those devices | 17:37 |
| mrec | as I wrote there's only one goal for me to have those things work. | 17:38 |
| mrec | few people are contributing to the driver on mcentral.de too | 17:38 |
| mrec | there's not even a player available for ISDB-T right now | 17:42 |
| sconklin | ogasawara: My testing has finally resulted in a test bug submitted for kernel. What's the best way to kill the bug, set to 'Invalid" or 'Wontfix'? | 19:50 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: Invalid | 19:50 |
| sconklin | ogasawara: if suspend/resume reports were tagged like bug 310997, would that be adequate for helping manage workflow, do you think? | 20:14 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 310997 in linux "Test - Ignore - should have tags this time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310997 | 20:14 |
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| Torgoton | I know this may not be the right place, but I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8.04 on an old laptop. #ubuntu is useless, and #ubuntu-installer folks sent me here. I'm using the 386 netboot files and I get a crash while starting the process. Any tips? | 23:08 |
| Torgoton | 6.04 netboot files do start an install, but I was hoping for something more recent. | 23:09 |
| ogasawara | sconklin: re bug 310997 - I think tagging them like that would help | 23:11 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 310997 in linux "Test - Ignore - should have tags this time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310997 | 23:11 |
| Torgoton | Should I try #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing, perhaps? | 23:13 |
| crimsun | Torgoton: if you can at least provide detail regarding _where_ in "starting the process", that would be useful | 23:13 |
| crimsun | Torgoton: i'm happy to help you in #ubuntu until we can pinpoint the kernel/initramfs/udev as the culprit | 23:14 |
| Torgoton | crimsun: uhm... I'm using linld097 to load the linux and initrd.gz files. That starts, screens full of text fly by, and it ends with a call trace and Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill the idle task! | 23:14 |
| crimsun | Torgoton: let's migrate (back) to #ubuntu | 23:15 |
| Torgoton | crimsun: Great. Should I move to #ubuntu then? | 23:15 |
| Torgoton | great. | 23:15 |
| crimsun | (for those wondering, we worked around it by appending noreplace-paravirt to the command line) | 23:48 |
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