[00:00] ooh ooh, I'm old! [00:00] free waffles! free snogs! === seele changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Happy Birthday Chief Kubuntu Officer! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | Merges! http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html [00:01] CKO! [00:01] i was trying desperately to come up with __ knock out but failed [00:07] what does this day get called in Germany? [00:07] Today just got weird. I have code that does important stuff now in dak [00:07] kde4bindings built [00:07] And I have no outstanding merges [00:07] ... WTF? [00:07] NCommander: it's the calm before the storm. [00:07] NCommander: my special birthday treat just for you [00:08] remember, after 25 dec, it goes to shite [00:08] Debian NEW queue in 822 formatted: Today just got weird. I have code that does important stuff no [00:08] er [00:08] http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.822 [00:13] first birthday card arrived impressively enough [00:14] Congratulations. It's rare I run into someone with a birthday closer to Christmas than mine. [00:14] NCommander: You doing some qreal magic on kdebase-workspace now? [00:16] I will sometimes soon [00:16] Not tonight [00:16] OK. Great. Appreciate all you're doing. [00:16] NCommander: Where's that core-dev application? [00:18] Next to my soul and my life [00:18] OK. Time to set if free and see if it soars or gets squished like a bug. [00:19] NCommander: You send the python-qt4 and kde4bindings patches upstream? [00:19] What PPA is Amarok 2 in? [00:19] I've sent most of upstream [00:20] ScottK: should be kubuntu-members-kde4 [00:20] Nightrose: Thanks. [00:21] seele: If it's not there already, would you please add to your quassel list that I'd really like a context menu when I highlight and then right click on text. I can do stuff with keyboard shortcuts, but it's non-discoverable. [01:01] ScottK: what do you mean? copy is available [01:02] seele: OK, then they fixed it already. I'm actually using the older version. [01:14] ok.. one more config screen to review and all of quaasel has been looked at [01:33] Nightrose: I've tossed a version of the mysql 5.1 package from Debian Experimental into my PPA (added the amarok specific patches). If you could test/have someone test that Amarok 2 works with that pacakge, then that'd help my argument towards getting it into the archive. [01:33] https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive [01:56] Except it didn't build .... [03:38] NCommander: Good luck with your core-dev application. I'm sure you'll get it :) [03:39] * DasKreech wants free snogs [03:39] NCommander: good luck === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi === nellery_ is now known as nellery [07:48] join c++# === f4l3 is now known as flocati [08:53] * jussi01 waves. anyone about? [08:55] nope [08:56] jussi01: not really, depends on what you need [08:56] hehe [08:57] * gnomefreak trying to get evo to do things like it should [08:57] its christmas eve, as well as the cko's biirthday so i really was just curious to see who is here... :) [08:57] evo? [08:58] evolution [08:58] hehe... kmail ftw! [08:58] im thinking about it [08:59] f [08:59] t [08:59] w [08:59] although atm (4.2) im finding it rather crashy [08:59] hasn't crashed with me so far [08:59] And it looks pretty [08:59] and threaded [08:59] and useful [08:59] Cmon OpenXchange [09:05] * gnomefreak confused :( kubuntu-desktop doesnt install kmail. what email client is default? [09:06] kmail should return in jaunty, in the mean time install it yourself [09:06] Riddell: thanks [09:07] ooh, hello Riddell! hows the birthday going? [09:08] lovely thanks, multiple IRC channels have recognised how special the day is [09:09] :D Riddell, I know I was early for you, but it was already your birthday here so I had to... :D [09:24] i'm sure you know but koffice is broken, depends issue [09:31] what makes you think we know? [09:33] gnomefreak: err, how? [09:34] Riddell: koffice: Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.6.3-7ubuntu2) [09:35] just thought you would have known, im guessing you are the one that pushes the package [09:48] theres more broken packages so far 2 more [09:50] do you want aall of the broken packages in one bug or separate bugs? [10:00] ScottK: i can't really test it right now as i am not at home and don't hve the necessary hardware for it here but maybe apachelogger can test it [10:00] otherwise i should be back at home on january 3rd [10:05] Nightrose: aren't you ment to be exchanging presents today? [10:06] Riddell: jep in the evening ;-) [10:06] what's today called in germany? [10:07] Weihnachten [10:07] he Riddell [10:09] in finland its Jouluaatto :) [10:11] in scotland it's "jonathan's birthday" Â:) [10:15] heh Riddell [10:15] Riddell, maybe I can have kdebase-workspace built on ARM by then [10:51] Happy birthday Riddell :) [10:56] aww, thanks [10:57] jpds: back in Spain? [10:57] Yep. [11:00] I remember meeting Papa Noel in Benicassim one Christmas when I was wee, nearly got trampled underfoot by a thousand excited Spanish children [11:00] nice sugar sweets shaped as coal I mind [11:00] hi there [11:00] doc___: hola. [11:00] jpds: hola :) [11:01] Riddell: Ouch... [11:03] also memories of eating grapes on the new year bells, one for each bell, you do that doc___? [11:03] trouble is the grapes had seeds in them and being young and innocent I'd never been given grapes with seeds in them before, nearly chocked to death [11:03] Riddell: syup :) [11:04] yup [11:04] Riddell: whahahahhaa you must be very carefoul with seeds :D [11:21] anyone want to review my blog? [11:22] * Nightrose can do [11:53] Riddell: happy birthday! [11:54] and hello to other kubuntu ninjas [12:00] * NCommander thinks we should have called ourselves pirates in retrospect [12:25] Riddell: ops, happy birthday! [12:45] hm [12:45] Riddell: happy bday [12:45] ~order birthday package for Riddell [12:45] * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present. [12:45] * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Riddell and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer. [12:45] Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Riddell, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho! [12:45] Happy Birthday Riddell :D [12:45] To your health! [12:46] I still think the bot should give away free kisses [12:48] yay! [12:50] now we need some music [12:51] ~np [12:51] apachelogger is listening to "I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)" by The Proclaimers [Sunshine on Leith, 2006] [12:51] perfect :D [12:53] ScottK: if you get a chance please review my quassel changes lp:~ubuntu-dev/quassel/ubuntu/ [12:54] * NCommander has isolated the kdebase-devel issue [12:54] What the hell is it with KDE using code generates to feed code generators [12:54] * NCommander feels like he's knee deep in second system programming [12:55] just got a call from my boss... stay at home, don't go to work today, merry christmast [12:55] nice! [12:57] ScottK, http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3605 - ewww, this is how the previous ARM port was done [12:57] * NCommander has at least isolated the current issue we have [13:02] you know [13:03] in theory I really need 3 or maybe even 4 PPAs for kde-nightly [13:03] with packagekit we will still have to compile the packages, isn't it? [13:03] is only a different gui for APT, isn't it? [13:03] built-against-stock-kde4 built-against-latest-release built-against-kde4-stable built-against-kde4-trunk [13:03] flocati: yes [13:03] flocati: kind of [13:04] *building kile* [13:04] apachelogger: wich kile? [13:04] apachelogger, just wait another week, multi-PPAs are almost here [13:04] * NCommander saw them on staging [13:04] \o/ [13:05] apachelogger, anyway, I found a bug in Qt [13:05] :-/ [13:05] *which [13:05] NCommander: happens ;-= [13:05] Which is responsible for the current FTBFS on kdebase-devel on ARM [13:05] -= +) [13:05] Where's Qt's bug tracker [13:05] NCommander: multiPPAs? [13:05] NCommander: trolltech.com [13:05] flocati, a user/team can have more than one PPA [13:05] dev.trolltech.com [13:05] something like that [13:05] apachelogger, I'm there, still not seeing it [13:05] cool [13:06] apachelogger: which version of kile are you compiling? [13:06] NCommander: http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker [13:06] flocati: the KDE 4 one [13:06] That's deceptively named [13:06] * smarter waves [13:07] apachelogger: there is? wow. I have seen on the official site that noone have spoke about kde4 [13:07] happy birthday Riddell :) [13:08] flocati: it appears to be not-ready-for-use [13:08] I see... an alhpa.. [13:09] apachelogger: but is from trunk? [13:09] apachelogger: btw, is quassel any good [13:09] apachelogger, any strong objections if I workaround the bug? [13:09] * Lure is just learning irssi as I want kde3-less desktop [13:10] Lure: is good... on my pc is only a little bit heavy, but is fine ;) [13:10] flocati: but you need to setup separate server and stuff (sounds too complicated for irc client) [13:10] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot197.png [13:10] Lure: you don't [13:11] Lure: you can do everything in a pretty easy way on a single computer [13:11] Nightrose: ok, then will give it a try [13:11] Woo, LaTeX. [13:11] NCommander: depends on the workaround [13:11] apachelogger: the font you use sucks :p [13:11] scripty is a bot? [13:11] (for menus and stuff) [13:12] you will surely never get a job @ RH [13:12] apachelogger, changing the qreals to doubles. [13:12] again? :P [13:12] :-P [13:13] I really don't want to try compiling Qt on my ARM board [13:13] It probably will take a month [13:13] lol [13:13] apachelogger: is this the default font on 8.10? If this, it worries me, we were supposed to have worked around bug #209358 [13:13] Launchpad bug 209358 in qt4-x11 "fonts in Qt4 look ugly because it uses Nimbus Sans L instead of Deja Vu Sans for Sans-Serif" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209358 [13:13] NCommander: well, if you think it is best, but ensure that gets fixed ASAP [13:13] NCommander: where else you can compile it? [13:13] NCommander: i.e. talk to some of the KDE people working for Qt Software [13:14] I'm filing a bug on the Qt tracker right now [13:14] I have a test case, the bug is easy enough to reproduce [13:14] you know, triage can be slow at times [13:14] I know -_-; [13:15] I'm looking through Qt's source [13:15] I'm hoping the bug stands out [13:15] smarter: "this"? [13:16] apachelogger: [14:11:38] apachelogger: the font you use sucks :p [13:16] [14:11:44] (for menus and stuff) [13:16] smarter: I am using Liberation [13:16] which is not even in main I think [13:16] NCommander: if you make some noise in #kde-devel there is a good chance it does ;-) [13:17] apachelogger: ok [13:17] smarter: + for KDE 4 we patch the default font from sans serif to dejavu [13:17] yup [13:17] or rather, debian patches it and we just go along [13:17] apachelogger, huh? [13:17] * apachelogger doesn't get why this is necessary though [13:18] NCommander: nvm, just stress the point that ARM deployment is difficult due to this bug ... then they will probably have it fixed in 3 minutes :P [13:19] Good morning everyone [13:20] aloha nhandler [13:20] Hey apachelogger [13:20] Did you decide on a time for the meeting? [13:21] apachelogger, on which channel :-)? [13:21] NCommander: #kde-devel or #qt-devel ... considering the latter exists [13:21] nhandler: not yet [13:22] apachelogger: debian's patch for default font is not good [13:22] probably 3rd 21UTC [13:23] freeflying_: I had the same feeling... but why? [13:23] apachelogger: I don't think we need it, you may talk with arne, he is an font expert [13:23] apachelogger: I asked to drop this in #debian-qt-kde [13:24] apachelogger: seems fabo did it [13:25] we could drop it and see what happens ;-) [13:25] apachelogger: nothing would happen [13:26] then it needs to go [13:26] * apachelogger hates pointless patches [13:27] bug 311161 [13:27] Launchpad bug 311161 in kubuntu-meta "Replace Konversation (KDE3) with Quassel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311161 [13:27] :D [13:27] apachelogger, wow, Qt's bug tracker SUCKS [13:28] *nod* [13:28] good thing Ubuntu's is opensource, huh? :P [13:28] * apachelogger hates not only pointless patches but also all bugtrackes [13:38] quick question the lcd weather plasmoid doesn't have any data sources in it, anyone else have that problem? [13:42] yeah [13:43] that's a bummer :( [13:43] apachelogger, at least Ubuntu's let you see the damn bug after you file it [13:44] Qt's just redirects you to some damn "Thank You" page [13:45] so if konverstation is not going to be installed by default have we decided on a replacement yet? /me would like to start learning [13:50] jjesse: replacement isnt decided yet, but quassel and kvirc-kde4 are being looked at iirc [14:11] just looking through the docs, any idea what version of kde jaunty will be? [14:14] jjesse: 4.2 [14:15] 4.2.0 I guess to be more specific [14:15] awesome that's what i thought, just making some minor entities changes on kubuntu docs [14:15] i don't think we get thhat specific [14:15] :) [14:15] I broke down a bought a netbook. [14:15] rgreening: what one? [14:15] the conf did me in carrying around my 17in lappy [14:15] i love my dell [14:16] AcerOne [14:16] got it for $400 tax in [14:17] do you hvae it already? if so how do you like it? [14:17] jjesse: I'm using it now. With Kubuntu Intrepid installed [14:18] its pretty slick [14:18] you wiped the default load annd isntalled intrepid? [14:18] yep [14:18] :) [14:18] die hard fan [14:18] the one thing i noticed is battery performance on my dell decreased when i went with the normal ernel, dell uses a lpia kernel [14:18] i think [14:18] and there is only 8.04 builds of packages if i recall correctly [14:19] ah. this is an Atom and I am using te i386 image [14:19] the dell is an atom as well [14:19] and i'm usign the i386 build as well [14:19] weird... I was able to use the regular iso [14:19] well dell has a special iso they ship [14:19] their own archive etc [14:19] oh... I think I see... [14:20] well, I get 3hrs on a 3 cell battery [14:20] which is what the spec claims [14:20] jjesse: its faster than win xp was on it [14:20] :P [14:21] i don't doubt that [14:21] rgreening: 3 hrs is very fine [14:21] freeflying_: yep. Im happy. I think I may order the 6 cell to have as well [14:22] plus, using the new power devil with it is awesome [14:22] rgreening: you know, I'm now working with an ODM, with a 4500mAh battary, only last for 3 hrs [14:22] is power devil enabled by default? [14:22] i watched movies the entire flight back from UDS on my dell [14:22] i think 3+ hours of movie watching [14:23] jjesse: no. its a plasmoid. you need to add it to the panel [14:23] and uninstall guidance-power manager [14:23] kde 4.2 is pretty slick now [14:24] is there a plasmoid i need to install? [14:24] jjesse: are you using kde 4.1 or 4.2 beta (aka 4.1.85). its in 4.1.85 [14:24] i'm using whatever is in the ppa [14:25] ok, in the widgets, install the battery applet [14:25] Hey rgreening [14:25] NCommander: hey buddy [14:25] rgreening, I need to sit down with you some time :-P [14:25] * NCommander feels lucky today [14:25] yus. I been sick, and x-mas is crazy [14:25] yeah [14:25] Whenever [14:25] kk [14:25] Preferably before new years, or shortly after [14:26] We might have a fully working KDE soonish, I'm working on kdebase-devel now [14:26] guidence power manager is the package i need to uninstall as well? [14:26] I am out to parents for next few days. I should be back sat.. so, maybe Sunday [14:26] NCommander: ^ [14:26] cool, works for me [14:26] jjesse: yus [14:26] We'll have to figure out how to get QtGUI to use gettext translations, since Rosetta doesn't support ts files ;.; [14:27] NCommander: look at my ufw-kde package. I have a translation.py I import. [14:27] ooo i like power devil [14:27] NCommander: it overrides the proper uic method and allows things to work [14:28] jjesse: :P [14:28] jjesse: the profile support is awesome [14:29] wil lthat become the default for jaunty? [14:29] now, I just need the kde network manager plasmoid... [14:29] jjesse: yus [14:29] so doc it up :) [14:29] will do :) [14:30] now i just need kde network manager to support ptpp vpns [14:30] jjesse: also, KDE3 is likely gone. K3B, Digikam, and Amarok will be updated to their KDE4 versions. [14:30] rgreening: i figured based on the email thread on removing kde services and stuff [14:30] is there finally a k3b version for kde4? [14:30] Konversation will disappear and possibly be replaced by Quassel or KVirc. [14:30] shouldn't it then be called k4b? [14:31] the 3 in k3b is not for KDe3 [14:31] :) [14:31] i know i was being silly [14:31] ah. lol [14:31] k3b port is in progress. hoping its ready for us [14:32] if not, then we have to keep kdelibs4 for kde3 (yuk) [14:32] its the only reall showstopper for removing kde3 libs [14:41] ooo power devil just changed my power settigns as i'm now low on battery, time to go plug my laptop in :) [14:55] hrm... this is quite pretty imho: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WMsbUl3phhU/SVItWssGhTI/AAAAAAAAABI/Z2pm0VE9hoA/s1600-h/tribe.png [15:08] hrmm looks like amarok2 isn't the greatest yet for ipods and podcasts [16:01] jjesse: I think that has something to do with libgpod being libgpod-nogtk [16:20] Riddell: I filed an RT for the fluid width addition to the theme... it should be up whenever the sysadmins come back from vacation :) [16:21] * ryanakca => Holidays, be back in a week. === stdin_ is now known as stdin [16:40] thanks ryanakca [17:13] Riddell: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!! [17:14] yay, no work today, tomorrow, or friday... [17:27] happy birthday Riddell [17:27] :) [17:27] anyone know how do I make the akanodi server start successfully? [17:28] /usr/bin/akonadictl start ? [17:28] nixternal: what do you call Friday? [17:28] Riddell: Friday :) [17:28] our office is just closed for the rest of the week [17:29] friday isn't a holiday of any sort that I know of [17:30] hahahaha, that dancing santa!!!! [17:33] Riddell: do you know if the OO.o KDE stuff is Java? [17:33] funny how I was having issues with it yesterday and then you posted about it today [17:36] nixternal: no, openoffice is c++ [17:36] and the icons are just icons in a zip with the right name [17:45] ahh...I see it is all still kde3 [19:06] * NCommander almost has kdebase-devel fixed ... [19:09] NCommander: nice! [19:09] s/devel/workspace/g [19:09] Although my fix really works around the bug in Qt than actually fixing it, but for the moment, that's good enough for me [19:10] can someone explain what akonadi is supposed to do? (breifly) [19:10] I think its some kinda zeroconf system [19:11] right... [19:11] jussi01, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akonadi - nope, I was wrong [19:11] * jussi01 reads... [19:12] basically it is a database for almost everything [19:12] primary use case is PIM data [19:12] i.e. mails, calendars, addressbooks, notes ... [19:13] mailody front end was done in 10 mins? O.o [19:13] in addition to that akonadi not only stores them but is the single point of interaction with these data, this means that a) akonadi is responsible for fetching online stuff b) providing the data as requested [19:13] as a matter of fact akonadi also comes with a set of predefined data viewers, so for example there is a default widget for mails [19:14] which made it possible to do the mailody frontend in 10 minutes ;-) [19:14] ahhh [19:14] also since akonadi is not bound to KDE other applications can make use of it's superior design [19:16] and implementing new protocols should also proof quite simple because the fetching component (which is the thing that implements e.g. a mail protocol) doesn't care about the storage of the aggregated data [19:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h94BdxnheeM [19:18] hrm, is mailody worth a look/in the archive yet? [19:18] jussi01: mailody is, akonadi isn't [19:18] though, I didn't test 1.0.8x yet [19:19] apachelogger: errr.??? akonadi is in the ppa, no? [19:19] yes [19:19] ahh :) [19:19] * jussi01 goes to try mailody [19:21] hrm.... its only kde3 version? [19:22] mailody-kde4 [19:22] apachelogger: just noticed ;) [19:25] Riddell: What's up with that notification submission? [19:28] hrm... just managed tocrash that also [19:48] DasKreech: how do you mean? [19:51] Riddell: it's three submissions ? [19:51] The Gnome one the KDE one and the Cacnonical one ? [19:51] Canonical [19:52] And can the FD.o ratify something that relies on non free software ? [19:55] Riddell: Oh did you send your desktop to sabdfl? :-) [20:00] DasKreech: I'm not following, what submission? what non free software? [20:03] The changes that canonical are proposing to the the notifications system [20:03] From sabdfl's blog post [20:03] Isn't that to be a proposed change to the FD.o notification system? [20:12] hopefully it can create a united spec, that would be nice [20:20] It relies on compositing doesn't it? Most compositing is non free driver dependent. Can FD.o do something like that? [20:23] that's an implementation detail, not part of dbus spec [20:24] ooooooh [20:25] ahhhhhhh [20:25] ok :) That's interesting. So They are going to be paying for that to be implemented or they are using this as the first project that the paid Qt dev will work on? [20:26] * DasKreech hugs jjesse [20:26] is that notification system actually the plan for Jaunty? [20:26] merry christmas DasKreech [20:26] i'd rather see the new plasma stuff [20:26] yuriy: I think that they said it was part of Krafty :) [20:26] DasKreech: what's the difference [20:26] yuriy: probably not for kubuntu [20:27] it should use the new plasma stuff [20:27] Riddell: One is pay for this to be implemented then wave good bye to the person the other is do this tehn we have a list here for you o work on [20:27] Riddell: that's what I thought -- but then what is Mark talking about with implementing it and releasing it simultaneously for GTK and Qt [20:28] i thought the notification stuff was coming for ubuntu and kubuntu which is what my impression from UDS was [20:28] yuriy: He said that would be nice I think [20:28] yuriy: that's the hope but I don't think the qt guy will be hired in time for this cycle, we'll see [20:31] but what is the point if we don't want to use it because plasma devs are working on their own thing [20:34] Well I guess as said it's an experiment that they hope to have upstream [20:34] And aseigo alluded to speaking with them on his blog [20:34] I think Riddell said it explicitly [20:34] So we shall see [20:34] I don't like the no interactions aspect of it but meh [20:38] as long as they don't fsck up my notifications I'll be happy :P [20:38] Isn't that the point? :) [20:50] DasKreech: basically, Plasma already implements everything they want to do for gnome, no? [20:52] smarter: it seems from the converstations at UDS [20:52] smarter: Except for no interaction [20:52] k. [20:53]