[00:58] <DanaG> I just pinned the X server at the previous version.
[00:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and my video driver hang... is definitely a defective GPU.
[00:59] <DanaG> That doesn't quite explain why the fglrx versions newer than 8.543 all give kernel panics upon trying to start the login screen.  =þ
[01:09] <mn> How is Jaunty dev going?  What's the latest news with it?
[09:44] <x1250> any dev could take a quick look to this thread please: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1020401, should I submit a bug for this?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> x1250: yes please submit a bug for it
[10:11] <x1250> gnomefreak, ok
[10:15] <gnomefreak> x1250: normally best to file bugs on LP since we dont scan forums looking for bugs.
[12:29] <MistDragn> I didn't even say anything.. geez
[12:29] <MistDragn> somebody's a little uptight
[12:29] <ikonia> MistDragn: your behaviour is unacceptabe, you have said you will not abide by ubuntu channels rules, so until you agree to do so, please don't join
[12:30] <MistDragn> that was a different channel
[12:30] <ikonia> same rules
[12:30] <MistDragn> well i will abide by them here
[12:30] <ikonia> you said you won't abide by them and you don't care
[12:30] <MistDragn> i like this channel cause it has +1
[12:30] <MistDragn> i meant in that other channel
[12:30] <MistDragn> that i wont advertise
[12:31] <MistDragn> i told you I was born in 1999 so a lot of concepts are foreign to me
[12:31] <MistDragn> the same year Prince likes to party in
[12:31] <ikonia> MistDragn: unless you have a disscusion on ubuntu 9.04 - pelase don't talk
[12:31] <MistDragn> cause 2 thousand zero zero party on wayne all the time
[12:32] <MistDragn> how are the specs on ubunto 9.04 versus the previous version?
[12:32] <MistDragn> im thinking of maybe upgrading from 9.03
[12:32] <MistDragn> but i heard 9.04 was less stable
[12:32] <ikonia> MistDragn: it is not a stable version, read the topic
[12:32] <MistDragn> how do I pull it up again?
[12:33] <ikonia> type "/topic"
[12:33] <MistDragn> .topic
[12:33] <MistDragn> "/topic"
[12:33] <MistDragn> !topic
[12:33] <ikonia> without the speech marks
[12:33] <MistDragn> hmmm.....
[12:33] <MistDragn> it's hard with only 2 fingers on this hand
[12:33] <MistDragn> my dog...we were wrestling
[13:14] <bhale> alright, I give up. considering usplash corrupted my VT's and someone decided that I shouldnt be able to ctrl-alt-backspace
[13:14] <bhale> how am i supposed to cycle X?
[13:16] <jpds> bhale: There'll be an option for reactivating the C-A-B.
[13:16] <bhale> X is fairly hosed so I cant launch any new programs from gnome-panel
[13:16] <jpds> Upstream decided to turn the feature off by default.
[13:18] <bhale> yeah, this page doesn't exist https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DontZap
[13:19] <bhale> from the alpha 2 notes
[13:20] <bhale> doesnt matter, whatever was waiting for a timeout and eating my mouse clicks is done now, think it might have been nautilus desktop
[14:24] <Arodon> anyone else experiencing DNS resolution failures for *.ubuntu.com when using wget, apt-get? ping/dig/nslookup are working fine
[15:48] <legodude> I'm still having a problem with the nvidia drivers
[15:48] <legodude> when I try to install nvidia-glx-180 it asks to remove a whole bunch of stuff
[15:48] <legodude> including kubuntu-desktop and xorg
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> legodude: nvidia has to update the drivers for the newest xorg before they'll work
[15:50] <legodude> ah gotcha
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> I fear for the legacy drivers :(
[15:50] <legodude> howso?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> they only got updated for Intrepid's xorg a month ago
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> a month after Intrepid was released
[15:51] <legodude> but why are legacy drivers important?
[15:51] <legodude> for older HW you mean?
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:51] <legodude> gotcah
[15:52] <legodude> although
[15:52] <legodude> it is not that bad
[15:52] <legodude> new cards are cheap enough
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> my motherboard is too old, heh
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> they're all PCIe now
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> not saying that I couldn't get an older one that still works with the newer drivers that would work with my PC
[15:55] <DanaG> I've locked xserver-xorg-core.
[15:55] <DanaG> I also have both Intrepid and Jaunty repos enabled, together.
[15:55] <DanaG> Makes for risk of further breakage, but I know how to deal with dependency hassles.
[15:58] <legodude> ahh
[15:58] <legodude> so you're still using the older one
[15:58] <legodude> I wanted to try jaunty because I am having a devil of a time getting my three monitors to work
[16:09] <DanaG> I also was having issues with fglrx hanging... but then I realized I had hardware issues going on.
[16:10] <DanaG> That doesn't explain why anything newer than 8.543 caused actual kernel panics so bad it couldn't even blink caps lock.  =þ
[18:39] <ikonia> @
[19:31] <l337ingDisorder> can anyone tell me how to uninstall a program I just installed from source?
[19:33] <CarlFK> l337ingDisorder: what command installed it?
[19:45] <l337ingDisorder> CarlFK: make install
[19:46] <l337ingDisorder> CarlFK: but there's no make uninstall
[19:46] <l337ingDisorder> or make remore
[19:46] <l337ingDisorder> err make remove
[19:46] <CarlFK> check the Makefile
[19:48] <l337ingDisorder> CarlFK: Ok thanks. It's quite long - what should I look for?
[19:48] <CarlFK> "install"
[19:48] <CarlFK> then something similar for removing
[19:48] <CarlFK> if there isn't, then look at what install does, and un do that
[19:49] <CarlFK> which is generally a pain
[19:50] <x1250> l337ingDisorder, try the INSTALL or README files, if they exist. Or, see this: http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2002/June/msg00041.html
[19:50] <l337ingDisorder> it has Clean and Veryclean
[19:51] <l337ingDisorder> yeah I checked the INSTALL and README files. No help there
[19:51] <l337ingDisorder> looks like I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and remove it manually.
[19:52] <x1250> http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2002/June/msg00041.html can help
[20:54] <ideasman_42> hey there, many packages here?
[20:55] <ideasman_42> (people who package apps)
[20:57] <crimsun> packages or maintainers/developers?
[21:05] <DanaG> Hmm, any chance of "forward-porting" (yes, forward) this fix?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[21:05] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 261318 in linux "Regression: new Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) driver breaks Toshiba hotkeys; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [High,In progress]
[21:10] <fde> How much progress has happened so far with new packages? Seems things have just been recompiled so far?
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> when can we expect ath5k drivers in jaunty?
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> I had to manually compile them, which wasn't difficult but it was a bit time consuming
[22:08]  * DanaG thinks it's funny that the Intrepid-proposed kernel has fixed Toshiba support... and the Jaunty kernel does not.
[22:29] <DanaG> grr... stupid nvidia completely ignores even single-monitor xrandr requests.
[22:29] <DanaG> ... and forgets my screen resolution settings each time Xorg starts.
[22:30] <DanaG> And my CRT thinks it's not 4:3 -- it calls itself 1280x1024.  I keep having to set it back to 1280x960 manually... every damn time I log on.
[23:27] <fde> DanaG: Its much more productive to complain via launchpad where a developer is likely to read  ;)