| luisbg | gotta love when apple gets the reflections very wrong | 01:31 |
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| luisbg | http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SVAWYFPjbrI/AAAAAAAACcw/MT4J82na-Ng/apple_reflect.jpg | 01:31 |
| gaminggeek | DBO: still here? | 06:25 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, yeah | 06:28 |
| DBO | whats up? | 06:28 |
| gaminggeek | you were asking for opinions about docky | 06:28 |
| DBO | i am asking for them | 06:29 |
| DBO | you got one? =) | 06:29 |
| DBO | or you need more info? | 06:29 |
| gaminggeek | how does it work with do? | 06:30 |
| gaminggeek | or is it something new? | 06:30 |
| DBO | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/DockyReleaseNotes.odt | 06:30 |
| DBO | that has a lot of the relevant data | 06:30 |
| gaminggeek | IMHO it looks very slick | 06:30 |
| DBO | oh you saw it | 06:30 |
| gaminggeek | yea looking at that document | 06:30 |
| DBO | it is a user interface for Do | 06:31 |
| DBO | it will be in the text release | 06:31 |
| DBO | i want feedback on its look and feel | 06:31 |
| gaminggeek | so it replaces the old one? | 06:31 |
| DBO | things that would be cool | 06:31 |
| DBO | well you can select it | 06:31 |
| DBO | there are 5 ui's in the next release | 06:32 |
| DBO | each with a different target | 06:32 |
| gaminggeek | transparency would be nice :D | 06:32 |
| DBO | it is, you just cant see it on that wallpaper | 06:32 |
| gaminggeek | ah ok then | 06:32 |
| gaminggeek | oh I see how it works now | 06:33 |
| DBO | yep | 06:33 |
| gaminggeek | I have no comments really | 06:33 |
| gaminggeek | looks slick :) | 06:33 |
| DBO | it has been a LOT of work | 06:33 |
| DBO | i have been working on it for a long time now | 06:34 |
| DBO | and been through way more revisions than you ever want to know | 06:34 |
| gaminggeek | looks very nice :D | 06:34 |
| DBO | the right click menus (not shown in that document) are incredible | 06:34 |
| DBO | some of the best work I have done on it | 06:34 |
| gaminggeek | I like the current do user interface but I think I would give it a try :) | 06:34 |
| DBO | yeah, its actually pretty fun | 06:35 |
| gaminggeek | have you got a demo? | 06:35 |
| DBO | only if you want to build bzr... | 06:35 |
| gaminggeek | hmm not really feeling that keen :) | 06:36 |
| DBO | i understand | 06:36 |
| DBO | there will be a PPA out january | 06:36 |
| gaminggeek | does that highlight text change depending on your gtk theme? | 06:36 |
| DBO | no | 06:37 |
| DBO | i wanted to completely control the theme of the dock | 06:37 |
| gaminggeek | ok | 06:37 |
| DBO | I even when I use gtk widgets i override the theming | 06:37 |
| gaminggeek | well then I dont know if I like the colour of it.. | 06:37 |
| gaminggeek | I am being really strugling for things to see though | 06:38 |
| DBO | what? | 06:38 |
| gaminggeek | the blue colour | 06:38 |
| DBO | oh | 06:38 |
| gaminggeek | in the when you type something screen | 06:39 |
| DBO | it works out ok because of the way you work with it though | 06:39 |
| DBO | there were two ways we went with the blue highlights you see | 06:39 |
| DBO | the first time I did it I made them very VERY bright | 06:39 |
| DBO | brighter than the surrounding text (which was not full white) | 06:39 |
| DBO | and they stood out | 06:39 |
| DBO | but this actually proved to be very distracting when you are typing | 06:39 |
| DBO | it makes your eye go all over the screen | 06:40 |
| gaminggeek | ah | 06:40 |
| DBO | so instead we made the "highlighted" items be less bright, and it lets your eyes rest more naturally | 06:40 |
| gaminggeek | ok then :) | 06:40 |
| DBO | it looks like a pain, but in usuage, you already know what it says | 06:40 |
| gaminggeek | very good then :) | 06:42 |
| DBO | so do you like the dark dock? | 06:42 |
| gaminggeek | indeed I do :) | 06:42 |
| DBO | also, next release all the other UI's are animated | 06:42 |
| gaminggeek | but I am using a dark theme atm | 06:42 |
| DBO | so they expand smoothly and crossfade icons | 06:42 |
| gaminggeek | so it will fit in nicly with that | 06:42 |
| gaminggeek | sexy :) | 06:42 |
| DBO | yeah | 06:42 |
| DBO | i have been working REALLY hard on UI's | 06:42 |
| gaminggeek | what does the big X do? | 06:43 |
| DBO | show my fail | 06:44 |
| gaminggeek | lol | 06:44 |
| gaminggeek | first guess would be close the dock | 06:45 |
| DBO | no | 06:45 |
| gaminggeek | second guess would be close the window | 06:45 |
| DBO | its just the icon you get when I fail to figure out what icon to give an application | 06:45 |
| gaminggeek | oooooh | 06:45 |
| gaminggeek | righto :D | 06:45 |
| DBO | there will be a better generic icon on release | 06:45 |
| gaminggeek | maybe a ? would be a better icon for that :) | 06:46 |
| DBO | and i am still working on optimizing the matching | 06:46 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 06:46 |
| DBO | but the big X makes it obvious for me | 06:46 |
| gaminggeek | fair enough :D | 06:46 |
| DBO | it used to be red | 06:46 |
| gaminggeek | what about window management? | 06:46 |
| DBO | it does the works | 06:46 |
| gaminggeek | ah cool :) | 06:46 |
| DBO | i dare say it does it better than awn and the likes | 06:46 |
| DBO | everything is treated as an application | 06:47 |
| DBO | GIMP gets one icon, not three | 06:47 |
| gaminggeek | what about apps with multiple windows | 06:47 |
| gaminggeek | like firefox's download thingy | 06:47 |
| DBO | one icon | 06:47 |
| DBO | but you can access the individual windows | 06:47 |
| DBO | by right click | 06:47 |
| DBO | there is a list of them | 06:47 |
| gaminggeek | oh sweet :) | 06:47 |
| gaminggeek | although sometimes you dont know that they are there | 06:48 |
| DBO | and like I said, that menu is BEAUTIFUL | 06:48 |
| gaminggeek | ok well I'm gonna have to try this now :) | 06:48 |
| DBO | yeah I am going to add an indicator for multiple | 06:48 |
| gaminggeek | you use bzr? | 06:48 |
| DBO | yes | 06:48 |
| DBO | code.launchpad.net/~jassmith/do/trunk | 06:48 |
| DBO | lemme get you a screenshot of the right click menu | 06:49 |
| DBO | then I gotta run | 06:49 |
| gaminggeek | ok :) | 06:49 |
| DBO | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png | 06:50 |
| DBO | still syncing | 06:50 |
| gaminggeek | how do you checkout with bzr? | 06:51 |
| DBO | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png | 06:51 |
| DBO | now it is there | 06:51 |
| DBO | bzr branch lp:~jassmith/do/trunk | 06:51 |
| gaminggeek | oo cool :) | 06:51 |
| DBO | thats the right click menu | 06:51 |
| DBO | i gotta go now | 06:51 |
| gaminggeek | alright | 06:51 |
| DBO | movie with the ladies | 06:51 |
| DBO | later | 06:51 |
| gaminggeek | have fun ;) | 06:52 |
| * darkmatter can no longer survive without the Do | 07:09 | |
| darkmatter | for a ripoff of third-party mac software it's pretty damn good :P | 07:09 |
| gaminggeek | lol yea :) | 07:10 |
| gaminggeek | when it crashed on me once I felt like I had lost something vital :) | 07:10 |
| darkmatter | hehe | 07:10 |
| gaminggeek | bah how the hell do you use bzr? | 07:10 |
| darkmatter | gah.. I can't remember. it's been about two years since the last time I used it | 07:11 |
| gaminggeek | its proving to be a PITA :P | 07:13 |
| gaminggeek | and now just checkout works -_- | 07:13 |
| gaminggeek | sorta.. | 07:13 |
| gaminggeek | wait no bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ejassmith/do/trunk/.bzr/repository/packs/13c1a79f1ad3d00c00f1c908392a02da.pack: Expected a boundary ()Abxh3TPWRgeYBTfpd3h) line, got '' | 07:14 |
| gaminggeek | anyway bbl | 07:15 |
| gaminggeek | DBO | 09:17 |
| DBO | yeah? | 09:17 |
| gaminggeek | ah finished with the movie | 09:17 |
| gaminggeek | ok I installed do from your repo | 09:17 |
| gaminggeek | now how do I get the sexiness? | 09:17 |
| gaminggeek | I assumed it was the theme but that is greyed out | 09:18 |
| gaminggeek | ok I got it | 09:24 |
| gaminggeek | I had to start compiz :) | 09:24 |
| gaminggeek | oh wow that is cool! | 09:25 |
| DBO | leave feedback, gotta go again, really sorry | 09:25 |
| gaminggeek | when you have multiple windows you click the app and both come up :) | 09:25 |
| gaminggeek | very nice :D | 09:25 |
| gaminggeek | what about a workspace switcher? | 09:28 |
| gaminggeek | that little dot thing is really hard to find if you dont know what your looking for | 09:30 |
| gaminggeek | hi njpatel why does your name sound familiar? | 09:50 |
| njpatel | gaminggeek: er, because of AWN maybe? | 09:51 |
| gaminggeek | ahh yea :) | 09:51 |
| gaminggeek | thought it might have been but I wasnt sure :) | 09:51 |
| njpatel | :-) | 09:52 |
| kwwii | real hackers don't stop for christmas, eh Neil? | 10:00 |
| thorwil | good morning! | 10:01 |
| kwwii | moin moin | 10:02 |
| kwwii | nifty idea with the music, btw | 10:03 |
| thorwil | :) | 10:03 |
| kwwii | I was tempted to do one in german just so you could hear my accent :p | 10:03 |
| knome | zomg | 10:04 |
| kwwii | or perhaps with a frankonian dialekt | 10:04 |
| thorwil | kwwii: i'm at one finnish contribution so far. so no need to get fancy at all ;) | 10:09 |
| kwwii | thorwil: I can do a series of english ones in our studio...just gotta find the time after christmas | 10:10 |
| thorwil | cool | 10:10 |
| thorwil | looks like the forum is letting me down once more. page 4 with 32 views and no reply | 10:11 |
| thorwil | luckily the response on the linux audio users list was quite good | 10:12 |
| kwwii | the forum is probably not the right place to get people to work on something(anything)... | 10:13 |
| kwwii | oh well, back to cooking for tonight | 10:13 |
| DBO | alright gaminggeek, i is back | 10:18 |
| gaminggeek | ah | 10:18 |
| gaminggeek | brb | 10:18 |
| DBO | njpatel, are you stalking me | 10:18 |
| njpatel | DBO: heh, I was here first :-D | 10:19 |
| DBO | yeah yeah | 10:19 |
| gaminggeek | I found a few bugs.. | 10:20 |
| DBO | njpatel, where can I find your window matching code | 10:20 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, I am sure =) | 10:20 |
| DBO | I would love to hear them so I can fix them before initial release =) | 10:20 |
| gaminggeek | with the cube plugin at least and you select a window on a different desktop it seems to freeze untill you mouse over the dock again | 10:22 |
| gaminggeek | and it doesnt go below fullscreen apps | 10:22 |
| gaminggeek | which is anoying if you watching a movie in totem | 10:23 |
| DBO | the second one I knew about | 10:23 |
| njpatel | DBO: At the moment is pretty incomplete, it just matches on pid (if we started the program through a launcher) or tries and Exec= line match from the desktop file to the wm_class of the window. I hope to spend more time over the holidays fixing all that up | 10:23 |
| DBO | I will work on the cube thing | 10:23 |
| DBO | njpatel, that is essentially what I am doing... | 10:23 |
| DBO | njpatel, i am also inspecting /proc | 10:24 |
| njpatel | DBO: yep, in this case there aren't many different ways to do the same thing | 10:24 |
| DBO | yeah | 10:24 |
| gaminggeek | also if you minimise a window change desktop and then click the minimised window it changes desktop but doesnt unminimise the window | 10:24 |
| DBO | what about your icon finding code? | 10:24 |
| DBO | hmmm mine does | 10:25 |
| DBO | you are using compiz? | 10:25 |
| njpatel | DBO: for loading icons for desktop files? | 10:26 |
| DBO | for random windows | 10:26 |
| gaminggeek | DBO: yep using compiz | 10:26 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, strange | 10:26 |
| njpatel | again, there is none at the moment, but the best bet would be to try and match the window to an existing desktop file | 10:27 |
| DBO | I will add an explicit call to unminimize gaminggeek, just to try to help with that | 10:27 |
| DBO | njpatel, thats what I am doing | 10:27 |
| DBO | njpatel, i find open office is a son of a gun to get right | 10:27 |
| gaminggeek | it would be nice to have some kind of implementation of the window managers URGENT tag :) | 10:27 |
| DBO | i am thinking I am going to have to special case open office before release | 10:27 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, good point | 10:27 |
| DBO | i should do that for sure | 10:28 |
| gaminggeek | :) | 10:28 |
| njpatel | DBO: Yep, it's basically impossible to get right, they have the most convoluted way of launching their application/setting wm_class name etc | 10:28 |
| DBO | frustrating | 10:28 |
| DBO | we should file a bug | 10:28 |
| gaminggeek | I wish Abiword worked better then I could kick openoffice to the curb | 10:29 |
| gaminggeek | one thing that will stop me using this in the long term is sometimes I need to turn of compositing | 10:30 |
| gaminggeek | for 3d apps like blender or warcraft in wine ;) | 10:30 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, ok the minimize thing is fixed | 10:31 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 10:31 |
| gaminggeek | is it in bzr? | 10:31 |
| DBO | in a moment | 10:31 |
| gaminggeek | ok | 10:31 |
| DBO | rev 824 should hopefully fix it for you | 10:32 |
| gaminggeek | wow that is alot of revs.. | 10:32 |
| gaminggeek | ok how do you svn up in bzr? | 10:32 |
| DBO | bzr pull | 10:33 |
| gaminggeek | hmm my trash has gone.. | 10:33 |
| gaminggeek | back again.. | 10:33 |
| gaminggeek | that is one thing that shouldnt reall go.. | 10:34 |
| DBO | what do you mean by freeze on cube rotate gaminggeek | 10:34 |
| DBO | your trash? | 10:34 |
| gaminggeek | yea the trash icon | 10:34 |
| DBO | its not really in the dock in any special way | 10:34 |
| DBO | it just ended up there because you used it from Do | 10:34 |
| gaminggeek | ah ok :) | 10:34 |
| gaminggeek | what is a good screen recording app? | 10:35 |
| DBO | please dont record this yet =) | 10:35 |
| DBO | i want feedback but really dont want youtube videos out yet | 10:35 |
| gaminggeek | ah I was just gonna record the bug because its really hard to explain | 10:35 |
| DBO | oh ok | 10:35 |
| DBO | gtk-recordmydesktop | 10:35 |
| gaminggeek | it basicly doesnt get repainted | 10:35 |
| gaminggeek | untill you mouse over it | 10:35 |
| gaminggeek | so if you change desktop and move your mouse out of the way fast | 10:36 |
| gaminggeek | I can take a screenshot acctually | 10:36 |
| DBO | oh I get it | 10:36 |
| DBO | yeah I can fix that | 10:36 |
| gaminggeek | it is fully functional | 10:36 |
| DBO | its just not seeing your mouse leave | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | it's just stuck untill you mouse over | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 10:37 |
| DBO | ok I reproduced it | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 10:37 |
| DBO | man thats hard to do on a laptop | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | that one is annoying :) | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | I'm on a laptop :P | 10:37 |
| gaminggeek | I just have a higher mouse sensitivty or something :) | 10:37 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, do you have a full screen mouse I can test with? | 10:38 |
| DBO | gaminggeek, i think its because I have a VERY fast switch time on compiz | 10:38 |
| DBO | i dont like to wait | 10:38 |
| gaminggeek | a fullscreen mouse?! | 10:38 |
| DBO | erm | 10:38 |
| DBO | full screen application | 10:38 |
| gaminggeek | I have totem.. | 10:39 |
| DBO | totem causes it? | 10:39 |
| DBO | what application did you have issues with? | 10:39 |
| gaminggeek | with the switching? | 10:39 |
| gaminggeek | all apps | 10:39 |
| DBO | it no respecting full screen windows | 10:39 |
| gaminggeek | ohh totem was the one that I used | 10:39 |
| DBO | hmmm totem works for me... | 10:39 |
| gaminggeek | and firefox in fullscreen mode | 10:40 |
| DBO | mplayer fail | 10:40 |
| DBO | i will fix this | 10:40 |
| gaminggeek | its more obvious with hiding turned off | 10:40 |
| DBO | probably | 10:41 |
| gaminggeek | your dock is ridiculously smooth :) | 10:41 |
| gaminggeek | and fast | 10:41 |
| gaminggeek | its nice :) | 10:41 |
| DBO | yeah, the cairo guys did a great job helping me out | 10:41 |
| DBO | we went over every surface and figured out the most optimal way to utilize it | 10:41 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 10:41 |
| gaminggeek | you can tell alot of care and attention has gone into this :) | 10:42 |
| DBO | sweet, that fixed autohide | 10:42 |
| gaminggeek | something that would be nice is a very subtle blur on the transparent part of the dock but I dont know if you can do that... | 10:42 |
| DBO | no i cant sadly | 10:43 |
| gaminggeek | :( | 10:43 |
| DBO | I can set a hint for compiz to do it | 10:43 |
| DBO | and if you have the blur pluggin enabled it will | 10:43 |
| DBO | but i fear that would ruin the smooth performance I already have =( | 10:43 |
| gaminggeek | :( | 10:43 |
| gaminggeek | never mind then | 10:43 |
| DBO | ok the fullscreen window fix is in bzr now | 10:43 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :D | 10:44 |
| DBO | and now for the cube fix | 10:44 |
| gaminggeek | :) | 10:44 |
| gaminggeek | then the only problem will be with apps like pidgin or banshee which go into the docking thingy | 10:47 |
| DBO | ok I think I got it | 10:48 |
| DBO | yep | 10:48 |
| DBO | they effectively "close" themselves | 10:48 |
| DBO | when they do that | 10:48 |
| DBO | so in the interest of being consistent, I dont track them in the case | 10:48 |
| DBO | if they close their window instead of minimizing, so be it | 10:48 |
| gaminggeek | yea its a problem with the design of the docking thingmy not your app :) | 10:49 |
| DBO | rev 826 fixes your cube issue | 10:49 |
| DBO | anything else you notice? | 10:49 |
| gaminggeek | thats about it really | 10:49 |
| DBO | btw, three bugs in one night, awesome man, wish i could have more beta testers like you =) | 10:49 |
| gaminggeek | lol thank you :D | 10:50 |
| gaminggeek | the only other thing is that little dot to turn on hiding is really hard to find.. | 10:50 |
| gaminggeek | and I have pidgin next to it and it looked like I was going to select pidgin rather than the hiding thingy | 10:51 |
| gaminggeek | oh yea there was one thing | 10:51 |
| gaminggeek | desktop changing... | 10:52 |
| DBO | yeah? | 10:52 |
| DBO | not fixed? | 10:52 |
| gaminggeek | no the little desktop changing applet | 10:52 |
| DBO | oh yeah, that will probably have to be a V 2.0 feature | 10:52 |
| gaminggeek | ok sweet :) | 10:52 |
| gaminggeek | oh yea it looks funny when starting up | 10:53 |
| DBO | yeah i know... | 10:53 |
| gaminggeek | and defaults to typing mode rather than dockmode | 10:53 |
| DBO | you can fix that if you open preferences and select the quiet startup | 10:54 |
| gaminggeek | ok sweet :) | 10:54 |
| DBO | in the general tab | 10:54 |
| gaminggeek | yea I know where it is :) | 10:54 |
| gaminggeek | then the only thing is the strange start up | 10:55 |
| DBO | will look at it but the fix might be "dont render till everything is perfect" | 10:55 |
| gaminggeek | yea that would be the fix that I would do :) | 10:55 |
| DBO | the autohide button will be growing | 10:56 |
| DBO | and probably gain some hover text | 10:56 |
| DBO | or maybe just light up when you are over it | 10:57 |
| gaminggeek | cool :D | 10:57 |
| gaminggeek | light up and text is what I would do | 10:57 |
| DBO | that might be worth it | 10:57 |
| DBO | I want the interface to be playful | 10:57 |
| DBO | also, you figured out how to resize the dock? | 10:57 |
| gaminggeek | nope | 10:58 |
| DBO | see the separator? | 10:58 |
| gaminggeek | yea.. | 10:58 |
| DBO | move your icon to the top of it | 10:58 |
| DBO | cursor that is | 10:58 |
| gaminggeek | I draged on that and it crashed.. | 10:58 |
| DBO | oh sweet | 10:58 |
| DBO | and traceback? | 10:58 |
| DBO | in terminal? | 10:58 |
| gaminggeek | I wasnt running from terminal | 10:58 |
| gaminggeek | trying to repoduce it now :) | 10:59 |
| DBO | thank you | 10:59 |
| DBO | i imagine its the xcb issue again | 10:59 |
| gaminggeek | bah cant reproduce it :'( | 10:59 |
| DBO | yeah it happens | 10:59 |
| DBO | thats almost certainly the xcb locking issue | 11:00 |
| gaminggeek | oh I see how to resize it now | 11:00 |
| gaminggeek | I was trying to drag the seperator :P | 11:00 |
| DBO | yeah that was much more mathematically involved | 11:01 |
| gaminggeek | resizing is a little chuggy | 11:01 |
| DBO | yep | 11:01 |
| gaminggeek | cant fix it? | 11:01 |
| DBO | essentially resize performance is the render speed you get with zero optimizations | 11:02 |
| DBO | mmm... I could not draw the icons... | 11:02 |
| DBO | that would fix it | 11:02 |
| gaminggeek | but then it wouldnt be sexy :) | 11:02 |
| gaminggeek | its not worth not drawing the icons | 11:02 |
| DBO | it might be worth considering for the additional usability | 11:02 |
| DBO | anyhow, i gotta help a friend for a couple minutes | 11:03 |
| DBO | back shortly | 11:03 |
| gaminggeek | ok :) | 11:03 |
| gaminggeek | oh I thought of something else that would be nice | 11:03 |
| gaminggeek | ok on second thought this idea wouldnt work with more than one window | 11:04 |
| gaminggeek | btw merry christmas from new zealand ;) | 11:06 |
| DBO | merry christmass | 11:07 |
| gaminggeek | what font do you use for the text in the titles? | 11:08 |
| DBO | its just whatever pango picks as sans gaminggeek | 11:23 |
| DBO | i will probably be converting it to the system font at some point | 11:23 |
| gaminggeek | ok sweet :) | 11:23 |
| DBO | all the other fonts are system fonts | 11:24 |
| gaminggeek | because it looks funny with all my other fonts being lucinda grande | 11:24 |
| DBO | lucinda grande | 11:25 |
| DBO | hmmm | 11:25 |
| gaminggeek | yea thats what I said :) | 11:25 |
| DBO | so what was your idea anyhow? | 11:25 |
| gaminggeek | make it the system font | 11:25 |
| gaminggeek | but you got it so yea,, | 11:26 |
| DBO | no the one that wont work with a second window | 11:26 |
| gaminggeek | ohh right | 11:26 |
| gaminggeek | just change it to the window title | 11:26 |
| DBO | thats not a bad idea actually | 11:26 |
| gaminggeek | ah :) | 11:26 |
| DBO | i could easily detect if there are multiple and then go back to doing what I do now | 11:26 |
| gaminggeek | yea :) | 11:26 |
| DBO | also | 11:28 |
| DBO | how do you think i should show that an icon has multiple windows open | 11:28 |
| DBO | without right clicking | 11:28 |
| gaminggeek | hmm | 11:29 |
| gaminggeek | maybe more triangles.. | 11:29 |
| gaminggeek | or a different kind of maker | 11:29 |
| DBO | thats kinda what I was thinking | 11:29 |
| gaminggeek | an = sign or a few lines | 11:29 |
| DBO | i was thinking of moving from triangles to a glow dot | 11:30 |
| gaminggeek | something that would be nifty but kinda tacky at the same time and hard to do would be to have it show more than one icon, like your holding a hand of cards | 11:30 |
| DBO | and where there are mutliple windows, use two glow dots | 11:30 |
| DBO | too tacky and wont scale well | 11:30 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 11:31 |
| gaminggeek | dots would be cool | 11:31 |
| DBO | i will do that | 11:31 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 11:32 |
| gaminggeek | can you do fake transparency for when compositing is not available? | 11:33 |
| DBO | no | 11:34 |
| DBO | well yes | 11:34 |
| DBO | but it would be bad... | 11:34 |
| gaminggeek | bad fake transparency is better than the mess that you get when you have no compositing | 11:34 |
| gaminggeek | or do you mean it would make your code ugly? | 11:35 |
| DBO | Do wont let you start the dock without compositing | 11:35 |
| DBO | it will let you disable compositing after starting the dock however... | 11:36 |
| DBO | but that will be BAD | 11:36 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 11:36 |
| gaminggeek | gah I added something that I didnt want to by mistake how do I get rid of it? | 11:36 |
| DBO | drag it off | 11:36 |
| gaminggeek | ah nifty :) | 11:37 |
| DBO | thanks ya | 11:37 |
| gaminggeek | gah no skype icon | 11:37 |
| DBO | oops, can you tell me what it says when you hover? | 11:37 |
| gaminggeek | <skypeusername> - skypetm | 11:38 |
| DBO | weird | 11:38 |
| DBO | i can see why it fails | 11:38 |
| DBO | i will try to fix skype, it can only help my icon detection | 11:39 |
| DBO | I have disabled "fuzzy" icons | 11:39 |
| DBO | if you notice, there should be no fuzzy icons on your dock | 11:39 |
| DBO | I could easily get fuzzy icons, i just want to try to not have to | 11:39 |
| gaminggeek | xine is still fuzzy | 11:40 |
| DBO | really? | 11:40 |
| DBO | damn | 11:40 |
| DBO | ok, one fail | 11:40 |
| gaminggeek | well I might not be running the right Rev | 11:40 |
| DBO | no you are fine | 11:41 |
| gaminggeek | is this a new development? | 11:41 |
| DBO | no | 11:41 |
| gaminggeek | ah ok | 11:41 |
| DBO | i am working on skype icon now | 11:41 |
| gaminggeek | and pidgin | 11:41 |
| DBO | pidgin fail? | 11:41 |
| DBO | no way | 11:41 |
| gaminggeek | well what do you mean by fuzzy? | 11:41 |
| DBO | oh its fuzzy | 11:41 |
| DBO | well yes, there is a limit | 11:42 |
| DBO | your icon theme does matter | 11:42 |
| DBO | some icon themes are better than others | 11:42 |
| gaminggeek | ah well its not fuzzy but its not smooth and nice like the vectors | 11:42 |
| DBO | yeah | 11:42 |
| DBO | its a png | 11:42 |
| DBO | scaled | 11:42 |
| gaminggeek | indeed | 11:42 |
| DBO | i cant do much about that | 11:42 |
| gaminggeek | the scaling it nicer than others though | 11:43 |
| DBO | yeah because I am doing it reverse from most | 11:43 |
| gaminggeek | brb gotta put the cat out | 11:43 |
| DBO | I pick the icon as big as it ever get | 11:43 |
| DBO | s | 11:43 |
| DBO | and then scale it down | 11:43 |
| gaminggeek | ah :) | 11:44 |
| gaminggeek | hmm if you use pidgin it sets the buddy icon of the active contact | 11:45 |
| DBO | really? | 11:46 |
| gaminggeek | it doesnt relflect this in your doc | 11:46 |
| gaminggeek | k | 11:46 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 11:46 |
| DBO | i dont use pidgin | 11:46 |
| gaminggeek | I notested :) | 11:47 |
| gaminggeek | that what an atrocious attempt of spelling that.. | 11:48 |
| gaminggeek | is firefox a vector? | 11:49 |
| DBO | depends on your icons | 11:49 |
| gaminggeek | well in default ubuntu | 11:50 |
| DBO | no idea | 11:50 |
| DBO | i dont re-render the vector at each scale however | 11:51 |
| DBO | its perfect at max and min size | 11:51 |
| DBO | and in between it gets fuzzy | 11:51 |
| gaminggeek | ah for the vectors | 11:52 |
| gaminggeek | how do you do the inbetween sizes? | 11:52 |
| gaminggeek | just scale it? | 11:52 |
| DBO | yes | 11:52 |
| DBO | performance demands it | 11:53 |
| DBO | rendering vectors can take 2 or 3 ms | 11:53 |
| DBO | span that over 10 or 15 icons | 11:53 |
| gaminggeek | ah I see | 11:53 |
| DBO | and you have a 45ms render time when you need to be done in 5 | 11:53 |
| gaminggeek | ok found something | 11:53 |
| DBO | do tell | 11:53 |
| DBO | skype is going to work in a moment | 11:53 |
| DBO | I can feel it | 11:53 |
| gaminggeek | how do you get to the edge of the bar if you dont have a window that isnt in the dock open? | 11:54 |
| DBO | ah yeah, I know, its a known design flaw | 11:54 |
| gaminggeek | :) | 11:54 |
| gaminggeek | could you have the end bits active too and have it scale the same way when you drag it out? | 11:55 |
| gaminggeek | although that would be a little counter intuitive.. | 11:55 |
| DBO | not really | 11:57 |
| DBO | thats asking a lot | 11:57 |
| DBO | skype works now | 11:57 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 11:57 |
| DBO | 827 | 11:58 |
| DBO | lets see | 11:59 |
| DBO | open office, yeah we might as well just special case that... | 11:59 |
| gaminggeek | :) | 11:59 |
| DBO | oh i should fix pidgin | 12:00 |
| gaminggeek | yea that would be nice :) | 12:00 |
| DBO | can you test for me | 12:01 |
| DBO | rev 828 | 12:01 |
| gaminggeek | that was fast :) | 12:01 |
| gaminggeek | what am I testing pidgin? | 12:01 |
| DBO | ya | 12:01 |
| gaminggeek | bzr is slow -_- | 12:02 |
| gaminggeek | nope still not working with pidgine | 12:04 |
| gaminggeek | er pidgin | 12:04 |
| DBO | damn | 12:05 |
| DBO | i wonder how the hell it is getting an icon in the first place... | 12:05 |
| gaminggeek | good work with skype though :) | 12:05 |
| DBO | guess i need to setup pidgin | 12:05 |
| gaminggeek | although it looks a little odd | 12:05 |
| gaminggeek | not fully scaled | 12:05 |
| DBO | really? | 12:06 |
| gaminggeek | yep | 12:06 |
| gaminggeek | want a screenshot? | 12:06 |
| DBO | yes please | 12:06 |
| gaminggeek | www.axonstudio.com/files/Screenshot.png | 12:07 |
| DBO | weird | 12:07 |
| gaminggeek | same thing happens for the screenshot icon btw | 12:07 |
| DBO | ahhh | 12:08 |
| DBO | your dock is not fully sized | 12:08 |
| DBO | mmm | 12:08 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 12:08 |
| DBO | so the scaling broke somehow | 12:08 |
| gaminggeek | :/ | 12:08 |
| DBO | or gtk is screwing with me | 12:08 |
| gaminggeek | we are getting some major bug finding and fixing done :) | 12:08 |
| DBO | hmmm | 12:10 |
| DBO | skype scales properly here | 12:10 |
| gaminggeek | probably should remove that screenshot now.. | 12:10 |
| DBO | please | 12:10 |
| DBO | oh i see | 12:11 |
| DBO | I have an svg on my system | 12:11 |
| gaminggeek | for skype? | 12:12 |
| DBO | there we go | 12:12 |
| DBO | yes | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | ah | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | updated? | 12:13 |
| DBO | i found another poor scaler though | 12:13 |
| DBO | working on it now | 12:13 |
| gaminggeek | xsane too | 12:14 |
| gaminggeek | it seems to be only if its not in the bar | 12:14 |
| DBO | pidgin is going to be hard to fix | 12:14 |
| gaminggeek | dont worry about it then | 12:14 |
| gaminggeek | its just a little nice thing :) | 12:14 |
| DBO | it should be the person you are chatting with that gets their picture to show up by the way | 12:14 |
| gaminggeek | yea | 12:15 |
| DBO | not actually that bad... | 12:15 |
| DBO | there, that fixes scaling | 12:18 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :D | 12:18 |
| DBO | pushed | 12:19 |
| DBO | also, you can drag folders and files onto the dock | 12:20 |
| DBO | if you did not know | 12:20 |
| gaminggeek | oh sweet :) | 12:20 |
| DBO | seems to be broken | 12:20 |
| DBO | lemme check that | 12:20 |
| gaminggeek | but it doesnt have the icon of the file :) | 12:20 |
| DBO | oh i see | 12:21 |
| gaminggeek | be nice to have it so if you drag the file into an app it launched the app with the file as the argument | 12:21 |
| DBO | it cant do spaces for some reason | 12:21 |
| gaminggeek | so if you drag a media file into toem it launched | 12:22 |
| DBO | yeah it would be nice, but alas much more difficult | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | :/ | 12:22 |
| DBO | V 2.0 | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | ok :D | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | or -'s | 12:22 |
| DBO | you are using v0.9 | 12:22 |
| gaminggeek | ah I see :) | 12:23 |
| gaminggeek | its very slick :) | 12:23 |
| gaminggeek | slicker than the mac os dock in many ways :) | 12:23 |
| gaminggeek | how did you come up with the idea for it? | 12:24 |
| DBO | for the most part other docks ticked me off with the need for a config UI | 12:25 |
| gaminggeek | ah :) | 12:25 |
| gaminggeek | what was the spark of insperation to use do? | 12:26 |
| DBO | i am a core do developer already | 12:26 |
| DBO | so it was more or less a duh moment | 12:26 |
| gaminggeek | ah I see :) | 12:26 |
| DBO | in a sense its not fair | 12:26 |
| gaminggeek | ? | 12:26 |
| DBO | I know Do has everything you need to make a great dock | 12:26 |
| DBO | I just had to put it together | 12:26 |
| gaminggeek | ah :D | 12:26 |
| DBO | there we go | 12:26 |
| DBO | now spaces work | 12:27 |
| gaminggeek | ok | 12:27 |
| gaminggeek | what about the no icons issue? | 12:27 |
| DBO | you mean open office? | 12:27 |
| gaminggeek | no in files | 12:27 |
| DBO | well ultimately they get the icon that Do gives them | 12:27 |
| DBO | so to give them better icons, we must improve Do's icons | 12:28 |
| DBO | which is nice because I get a 2 for 1 | 12:28 |
| gaminggeek | ah sweet :D | 12:28 |
| DBO | darnnit what was I fixing... | 12:29 |
| DBO | oh right, centering previews | 12:29 |
| DBO | there we are | 12:31 |
| gaminggeek | sweet :) | 12:32 |
| DBO | if you drag an image onto the dock it does preview it | 12:32 |
| gaminggeek | your fixing thease fast :D | 12:32 |
| DBO | provided nautilus has already previewed it | 12:32 |
| gaminggeek | does that already.. | 12:32 |
| DBO | yeah I know | 12:33 |
| gaminggeek | ah I see this is a feature youre telling me about :) | 12:33 |
| DBO | i was just saying | 12:33 |
| gaminggeek | nifty :) | 12:33 |
| DBO | can you find any other apps without icons? | 12:34 |
| gaminggeek | wine apps just show the wine wine glass | 12:35 |
| gaminggeek | rather than the app of the icon | 12:35 |
| gaminggeek | but that is a very special case type of thing | 12:35 |
| DBO | yeah | 12:35 |
| DBO | not sure i can do much there | 12:35 |
| gaminggeek | and the wine glass still works | 12:35 |
| gaminggeek | fair enough | 12:36 |
| DBO | so what do you think then? | 12:37 |
| gaminggeek | very nice :D | 12:37 |
| gaminggeek | only problem now is I wont be able to use it all the time because sometimes I need to use metacity :/ | 12:38 |
| DBO | what do you normally use? | 12:38 |
| gaminggeek | compiz | 12:38 |
| DBO | it works in compiz | 12:39 |
| DBO | i am using compiz... | 12:39 |
| DBO | oh wait | 12:39 |
| gaminggeek | but sometimes metacity if I need to use blender or play games | 12:39 |
| DBO | it works in metacity if you turn on the compositor | 12:39 |
| DBO | which doesn't hurt game performance | 12:39 |
| DBO | or blender performance | 12:39 |
| gaminggeek | just tried it | 12:40 |
| gaminggeek | that works :) | 12:40 |
| DBO | ;) | 12:40 |
| gaminggeek | I had forgotten about that :) | 12:41 |
| DBO | =) | 12:41 |
| DBO | personally i prefer xfwm | 12:41 |
| DBO | but metacity works too | 12:42 |
| DBO | of course latest xfwm is slow as balls | 12:42 |
| DBO | so dont bother | 12:42 |
| gaminggeek | ok :) | 12:42 |
| gaminggeek | also I cant be bothered tweaking the appearance app to use xfwm :P | 12:42 |
| DBO | yeah | 12:43 |
| gaminggeek | do you use ubuntu? | 12:45 |
| gaminggeek | ok found something | 12:46 |
| DBO | whats it? | 12:46 |
| DBO | i use ubuntu yeah | 12:46 |
| gaminggeek | if you have a folder under the dock window | 12:47 |
| gaminggeek | even if its noware near the doc but under that transparent bit | 12:47 |
| gaminggeek | and you try to drag files into said folder they get added to the doc | 12:47 |
| DBO | yeah that one is annoying | 12:47 |
| gaminggeek | also if you open the appearance settings window it has a different name on the dock to the one on the window | 12:48 |
| DBO | mine is the same | 12:49 |
| DBO | its an icon theme thing then | 12:49 |
| gaminggeek | oh? | 12:49 |
| DBO | some icon themes have different icons depending on the size | 12:50 |
| gaminggeek | no not that | 12:52 |
| gaminggeek | http://www.axonstudio.com/files/Screenshot.png | 12:53 |
| gaminggeek | and that drag and drop bug is REALLY annoying :) | 12:54 |
| DBO | the screenshot is expected | 12:56 |
| DBO | the drag and drop bug is uhhh... interesting to try to fix | 12:56 |
| DBO | its a 1.0 must fix | 12:56 |
| DBO | i just dont know how yet | 12:56 |
| gaminggeek | :/ | 12:56 |
| DBO | well i have a plan | 12:56 |
| DBO | work comes to work, i will add a second window just for this purpose | 12:57 |
| DBO | you wont see it, as it will be transparent, but it will be useful | 12:57 |
| gaminggeek | ok | 12:57 |
| gaminggeek | as long as you fix the bug :) | 12:57 |
| gaminggeek | does awn have the problem? | 12:58 |
| DBO | awn does | 12:58 |
| DBO | erm | 12:58 |
| DBO | i forget actually | 12:58 |
| DBO | one of the docks out there does | 12:58 |
| gaminggeek | ok | 12:58 |
| gaminggeek | well I really need to sleep | 12:59 |
| gaminggeek | its almost 2 am here :) | 12:59 |
| gaminggeek | and it would be nice if you could right click on the trash and it have an empty trash option | 13:00 |
| gaminggeek | and if you add something to the dock using that add button it doesnt put it in alphabetical order | 13:01 |
| DBO | a plugin for Do could do it =) | 13:02 |
| DBO | actually it puts it on the right of the "Statistical items" | 13:02 |
| gaminggeek | ahh ok :) | 13:02 |
| gaminggeek | it would be nice to have the trash seperate but you can live with out it being seperate.. | 13:04 |
| gaminggeek | anyway I'm out see you soon :) | 13:09 |
| DBO | later | 13:10 |
| troy_s | Ho ho ho. | 19:30 |
| knome | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=62598d8c-c878-4f2b-b261-467004330cf9 | 23:21 |
| knome | \o/ | 23:21 |
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