[01:31] gotta love when apple gets the reflections very wrong [01:31] http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SVAWYFPjbrI/AAAAAAAACcw/MT4J82na-Ng/apple_reflect.jpg [06:25] DBO: still here? [06:28] gaminggeek, yeah [06:28] whats up? [06:28] you were asking for opinions about docky [06:29] i am asking for them [06:29] you got one? =) [06:29] or you need more info? [06:30] how does it work with do? [06:30] or is it something new? [06:30] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/DockyReleaseNotes.odt [06:30] that has a lot of the relevant data [06:30] IMHO it looks very slick [06:30] oh you saw it [06:30] yea looking at that document [06:31] it is a user interface for Do [06:31] it will be in the text release [06:31] i want feedback on its look and feel [06:31] so it replaces the old one? [06:31] things that would be cool [06:31] well you can select it [06:32] there are 5 ui's in the next release [06:32] each with a different target [06:32] transparency would be nice :D [06:32] it is, you just cant see it on that wallpaper [06:32] ah ok then [06:33] oh I see how it works now [06:33] yep [06:33] I have no comments really [06:33] looks slick :) [06:33] it has been a LOT of work [06:34] i have been working on it for a long time now [06:34] and been through way more revisions than you ever want to know [06:34] looks very nice :D [06:34] the right click menus (not shown in that document) are incredible [06:34] some of the best work I have done on it [06:34] I like the current do user interface but I think I would give it a try :) [06:35] yeah, its actually pretty fun [06:35] have you got a demo? [06:35] only if you want to build bzr... [06:36] hmm not really feeling that keen :) [06:36] i understand [06:36] there will be a PPA out january [06:36] does that highlight text change depending on your gtk theme? [06:37] no [06:37] i wanted to completely control the theme of the dock [06:37] ok [06:37] I even when I use gtk widgets i override the theming [06:37] well then I dont know if I like the colour of it.. [06:38] I am being really strugling for things to see though [06:38] what? [06:38] the blue colour [06:38] oh [06:39] in the when you type something screen [06:39] it works out ok because of the way you work with it though [06:39] there were two ways we went with the blue highlights you see [06:39] the first time I did it I made them very VERY bright [06:39] brighter than the surrounding text (which was not full white) [06:39] and they stood out [06:39] but this actually proved to be very distracting when you are typing [06:40] it makes your eye go all over the screen [06:40] ah [06:40] so instead we made the "highlighted" items be less bright, and it lets your eyes rest more naturally [06:40] ok then :) [06:40] it looks like a pain, but in usuage, you already know what it says [06:42] very good then :) [06:42] so do you like the dark dock? [06:42] indeed I do :) [06:42] also, next release all the other UI's are animated [06:42] but I am using a dark theme atm [06:42] so they expand smoothly and crossfade icons [06:42] so it will fit in nicly with that [06:42] sexy :) [06:42] yeah [06:42] i have been working REALLY hard on UI's [06:43] what does the big X do? [06:44] show my fail [06:44] lol [06:45] first guess would be close the dock [06:45] no [06:45] second guess would be close the window [06:45] its just the icon you get when I fail to figure out what icon to give an application [06:45] oooooh [06:45] righto :D [06:45] there will be a better generic icon on release [06:46] maybe a ? would be a better icon for that :) [06:46] and i am still working on optimizing the matching [06:46] sweet :) [06:46] but the big X makes it obvious for me [06:46] fair enough :D [06:46] it used to be red [06:46] what about window management? [06:46] it does the works [06:46] ah cool :) [06:46] i dare say it does it better than awn and the likes [06:47] everything is treated as an application [06:47] GIMP gets one icon, not three [06:47] what about apps with multiple windows [06:47] like firefox's download thingy [06:47] one icon [06:47] but you can access the individual windows [06:47] by right click [06:47] there is a list of them [06:47] oh sweet :) [06:48] although sometimes you dont know that they are there [06:48] and like I said, that menu is BEAUTIFUL [06:48] ok well I'm gonna have to try this now :) [06:48] yeah I am going to add an indicator for multiple [06:48] you use bzr? [06:48] yes [06:48] code.launchpad.net/~jassmith/do/trunk [06:49] lemme get you a screenshot of the right click menu [06:49] then I gotta run [06:49] ok :) [06:50] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png [06:50] still syncing [06:51] how do you checkout with bzr? [06:51] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png [06:51] now it is there [06:51] bzr branch lp:~jassmith/do/trunk [06:51] oo cool :) [06:51] thats the right click menu [06:51] i gotta go now [06:51] alright [06:51] movie with the ladies [06:51] later [06:52] have fun ;) [07:09] * darkmatter can no longer survive without the Do [07:09] for a ripoff of third-party mac software it's pretty damn good :P [07:10] lol yea :) [07:10] when it crashed on me once I felt like I had lost something vital :) [07:10] hehe [07:10] bah how the hell do you use bzr? [07:11] gah.. I can't remember. it's been about two years since the last time I used it [07:13] its proving to be a PITA :P [07:13] and now just checkout works -_- [07:13] sorta.. [07:14] wait no bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ejassmith/do/trunk/.bzr/repository/packs/13c1a79f1ad3d00c00f1c908392a02da.pack: Expected a boundary ()Abxh3TPWRgeYBTfpd3h) line, got '' [07:15] anyway bbl [09:17] DBO [09:17] yeah? [09:17] ah finished with the movie [09:17] ok I installed do from your repo [09:17] now how do I get the sexiness? [09:18] I assumed it was the theme but that is greyed out [09:24] ok I got it [09:24] I had to start compiz :) [09:25] oh wow that is cool! [09:25] leave feedback, gotta go again, really sorry [09:25] when you have multiple windows you click the app and both come up :) [09:25] very nice :D [09:28] what about a workspace switcher? [09:30] that little dot thing is really hard to find if you dont know what your looking for [09:50] hi njpatel why does your name sound familiar? [09:51] gaminggeek: er, because of AWN maybe? [09:51] ahh yea :) [09:51] thought it might have been but I wasnt sure :) [09:52] :-) [10:00] real hackers don't stop for christmas, eh Neil? [10:01] good morning! [10:02] moin moin [10:03] nifty idea with the music, btw [10:03] :) [10:03] I was tempted to do one in german just so you could hear my accent :p [10:04] zomg [10:04] or perhaps with a frankonian dialekt [10:09] kwwii: i'm at one finnish contribution so far. so no need to get fancy at all ;) [10:10] thorwil: I can do a series of english ones in our studio...just gotta find the time after christmas [10:10] cool [10:11] looks like the forum is letting me down once more. page 4 with 32 views and no reply [10:12] luckily the response on the linux audio users list was quite good [10:13] the forum is probably not the right place to get people to work on something(anything)... [10:13] oh well, back to cooking for tonight [10:18] alright gaminggeek, i is back [10:18] ah [10:18] brb [10:18] njpatel, are you stalking me [10:19] DBO: heh, I was here first :-D [10:19] yeah yeah [10:20] I found a few bugs.. [10:20] njpatel, where can I find your window matching code [10:20] gaminggeek, I am sure =) [10:20] I would love to hear them so I can fix them before initial release =) [10:22] with the cube plugin at least and you select a window on a different desktop it seems to freeze untill you mouse over the dock again [10:22] and it doesnt go below fullscreen apps [10:23] which is anoying if you watching a movie in totem [10:23] the second one I knew about [10:23] DBO: At the moment is pretty incomplete, it just matches on pid (if we started the program through a launcher) or tries and Exec= line match from the desktop file to the wm_class of the window. I hope to spend more time over the holidays fixing all that up [10:23] I will work on the cube thing [10:23] njpatel, that is essentially what I am doing... [10:24] njpatel, i am also inspecting /proc [10:24] DBO: yep, in this case there aren't many different ways to do the same thing [10:24] yeah [10:24] also if you minimise a window change desktop and then click the minimised window it changes desktop but doesnt unminimise the window [10:24] what about your icon finding code? [10:25] hmmm mine does [10:25] you are using compiz? [10:26] DBO: for loading icons for desktop files? [10:26] for random windows [10:26] DBO: yep using compiz [10:26] gaminggeek, strange [10:27] again, there is none at the moment, but the best bet would be to try and match the window to an existing desktop file [10:27] I will add an explicit call to unminimize gaminggeek, just to try to help with that [10:27] njpatel, thats what I am doing [10:27] njpatel, i find open office is a son of a gun to get right [10:27] it would be nice to have some kind of implementation of the window managers URGENT tag :) [10:27] i am thinking I am going to have to special case open office before release [10:27] gaminggeek, good point [10:28] i should do that for sure [10:28] :) [10:28] DBO: Yep, it's basically impossible to get right, they have the most convoluted way of launching their application/setting wm_class name etc [10:28] frustrating [10:28] we should file a bug [10:29] I wish Abiword worked better then I could kick openoffice to the curb [10:30] one thing that will stop me using this in the long term is sometimes I need to turn of compositing [10:30] for 3d apps like blender or warcraft in wine ;) [10:31] gaminggeek, ok the minimize thing is fixed [10:31] sweet :) [10:31] is it in bzr? [10:31] in a moment [10:31] ok [10:32] rev 824 should hopefully fix it for you [10:32] wow that is alot of revs.. [10:32] ok how do you svn up in bzr? [10:33] bzr pull [10:33] hmm my trash has gone.. [10:33] back again.. [10:34] that is one thing that shouldnt reall go.. [10:34] what do you mean by freeze on cube rotate gaminggeek [10:34] your trash? [10:34] yea the trash icon [10:34] its not really in the dock in any special way [10:34] it just ended up there because you used it from Do [10:34] ah ok :) [10:35] what is a good screen recording app? [10:35] please dont record this yet =) [10:35] i want feedback but really dont want youtube videos out yet [10:35] ah I was just gonna record the bug because its really hard to explain [10:35] oh ok [10:35] gtk-recordmydesktop [10:35] it basicly doesnt get repainted [10:35] untill you mouse over it [10:36] so if you change desktop and move your mouse out of the way fast [10:36] I can take a screenshot acctually [10:36] oh I get it [10:36] yeah I can fix that [10:36] it is fully functional [10:37] its just not seeing your mouse leave [10:37] it's just stuck untill you mouse over [10:37] yea [10:37] ok I reproduced it [10:37] sweet :) [10:37] man thats hard to do on a laptop [10:37] that one is annoying :) [10:37] I'm on a laptop :P [10:37] I just have a higher mouse sensitivty or something :) [10:38] gaminggeek, do you have a full screen mouse I can test with? [10:38] gaminggeek, i think its because I have a VERY fast switch time on compiz [10:38] i dont like to wait [10:38] a fullscreen mouse?! [10:38] erm [10:38] full screen application [10:39] I have totem.. [10:39] totem causes it? [10:39] what application did you have issues with? [10:39] with the switching? [10:39] all apps [10:39] it no respecting full screen windows [10:39] ohh totem was the one that I used [10:39] hmmm totem works for me... [10:40] and firefox in fullscreen mode [10:40] mplayer fail [10:40] i will fix this [10:40] its more obvious with hiding turned off [10:41] probably [10:41] your dock is ridiculously smooth :) [10:41] and fast [10:41] its nice :) [10:41] yeah, the cairo guys did a great job helping me out [10:41] we went over every surface and figured out the most optimal way to utilize it [10:41] sweet :) [10:42] you can tell alot of care and attention has gone into this :) [10:42] sweet, that fixed autohide [10:42] something that would be nice is a very subtle blur on the transparent part of the dock but I dont know if you can do that... [10:43] no i cant sadly [10:43] :( [10:43] I can set a hint for compiz to do it [10:43] and if you have the blur pluggin enabled it will [10:43] but i fear that would ruin the smooth performance I already have =( [10:43] :( [10:43] never mind then [10:43] ok the fullscreen window fix is in bzr now [10:44] sweet :D [10:44] and now for the cube fix [10:44] :) [10:47] then the only problem will be with apps like pidgin or banshee which go into the docking thingy [10:48] ok I think I got it [10:48] yep [10:48] they effectively "close" themselves [10:48] when they do that [10:48] so in the interest of being consistent, I dont track them in the case [10:48] if they close their window instead of minimizing, so be it [10:49] yea its a problem with the design of the docking thingmy not your app :) [10:49] rev 826 fixes your cube issue [10:49] anything else you notice? [10:49] thats about it really [10:49] btw, three bugs in one night, awesome man, wish i could have more beta testers like you =) [10:50] lol thank you :D [10:50] the only other thing is that little dot to turn on hiding is really hard to find.. [10:51] and I have pidgin next to it and it looked like I was going to select pidgin rather than the hiding thingy [10:51] oh yea there was one thing [10:52] desktop changing... [10:52] yeah? [10:52] not fixed? [10:52] no the little desktop changing applet [10:52] oh yeah, that will probably have to be a V 2.0 feature [10:52] ok sweet :) [10:53] oh yea it looks funny when starting up [10:53] yeah i know... [10:53] and defaults to typing mode rather than dockmode [10:54] you can fix that if you open preferences and select the quiet startup [10:54] ok sweet :) [10:54] in the general tab [10:54] yea I know where it is :) [10:55] then the only thing is the strange start up [10:55] will look at it but the fix might be "dont render till everything is perfect" [10:55] yea that would be the fix that I would do :) [10:56] the autohide button will be growing [10:56] and probably gain some hover text [10:57] or maybe just light up when you are over it [10:57] cool :D [10:57] light up and text is what I would do [10:57] that might be worth it [10:57] I want the interface to be playful [10:57] also, you figured out how to resize the dock? [10:58] nope [10:58] see the separator? [10:58] yea.. [10:58] move your icon to the top of it [10:58] cursor that is [10:58] I draged on that and it crashed.. [10:58] oh sweet [10:58] and traceback? [10:58] in terminal? [10:58] I wasnt running from terminal [10:59] trying to repoduce it now :) [10:59] thank you [10:59] i imagine its the xcb issue again [10:59] bah cant reproduce it :'( [10:59] yeah it happens [11:00] thats almost certainly the xcb locking issue [11:00] oh I see how to resize it now [11:00] I was trying to drag the seperator :P [11:01] yeah that was much more mathematically involved [11:01] resizing is a little chuggy [11:01] yep [11:01] cant fix it? [11:02] essentially resize performance is the render speed you get with zero optimizations [11:02] mmm... I could not draw the icons... [11:02] that would fix it [11:02] but then it wouldnt be sexy :) [11:02] its not worth not drawing the icons [11:02] it might be worth considering for the additional usability [11:03] anyhow, i gotta help a friend for a couple minutes [11:03] back shortly [11:03] ok :) [11:03] oh I thought of something else that would be nice [11:04] ok on second thought this idea wouldnt work with more than one window [11:06] btw merry christmas from new zealand ;) [11:07] merry christmass [11:08] what font do you use for the text in the titles? [11:23] its just whatever pango picks as sans gaminggeek [11:23] i will probably be converting it to the system font at some point [11:23] ok sweet :) [11:24] all the other fonts are system fonts [11:24] because it looks funny with all my other fonts being lucinda grande [11:25] lucinda grande [11:25] hmmm [11:25] yea thats what I said :) [11:25] so what was your idea anyhow? [11:25] make it the system font [11:26] but you got it so yea,, [11:26] no the one that wont work with a second window [11:26] ohh right [11:26] just change it to the window title [11:26] thats not a bad idea actually [11:26] ah :) [11:26] i could easily detect if there are multiple and then go back to doing what I do now [11:26] yea :) [11:28] also [11:28] how do you think i should show that an icon has multiple windows open [11:28] without right clicking [11:29] hmm [11:29] maybe more triangles.. [11:29] or a different kind of maker [11:29] thats kinda what I was thinking [11:29] an = sign or a few lines [11:30] i was thinking of moving from triangles to a glow dot [11:30] something that would be nifty but kinda tacky at the same time and hard to do would be to have it show more than one icon, like your holding a hand of cards [11:30] and where there are mutliple windows, use two glow dots [11:30]