[01:31] <luisbg> gotta love when apple gets the reflections very wrong
[01:31] <luisbg> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SVAWYFPjbrI/AAAAAAAACcw/MT4J82na-Ng/apple_reflect.jpg
[06:25] <gaminggeek> DBO: still here?
[06:28] <DBO> gaminggeek, yeah
[06:28] <DBO> whats up?
[06:28] <gaminggeek> you were asking for opinions about docky
[06:29] <DBO> i am asking for them
[06:29] <DBO> you got one? =)
[06:29] <DBO> or you need more info?
[06:30] <gaminggeek> how does it work with do?
[06:30] <gaminggeek> or is it something new?
[06:30] <DBO> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/DockyReleaseNotes.odt
[06:30] <DBO> that has a lot of the relevant data
[06:30] <gaminggeek> IMHO it looks very slick
[06:30] <DBO> oh you saw it
[06:30] <gaminggeek> yea looking at that document
[06:31] <DBO> it is a user interface for Do
[06:31] <DBO> it will be in the text release
[06:31] <DBO> i want feedback on its look and feel
[06:31] <gaminggeek> so it replaces the old one?
[06:31] <DBO> things that would be cool
[06:31] <DBO> well you can select it
[06:32] <DBO> there are 5 ui's in the next release
[06:32] <DBO> each with a different target
[06:32] <gaminggeek> transparency would be nice :D
[06:32] <DBO> it is, you just cant see it on that wallpaper
[06:32] <gaminggeek> ah ok then
[06:33] <gaminggeek> oh I see how it works now
[06:33] <DBO> yep
[06:33] <gaminggeek> I have no comments really
[06:33] <gaminggeek> looks slick :)
[06:33] <DBO> it has been a LOT of work
[06:34] <DBO> i have been working on it for a long time now
[06:34] <DBO> and been through way more revisions than you ever want to know
[06:34] <gaminggeek> looks very nice :D
[06:34] <DBO> the right click menus (not shown in that document) are incredible
[06:34] <DBO> some of the best work I have done on it
[06:34] <gaminggeek> I like the current do user interface but I think I would give it a try :)
[06:35] <DBO> yeah, its actually pretty fun
[06:35] <gaminggeek> have you got a demo?
[06:35] <DBO> only if you want to build bzr...
[06:36] <gaminggeek> hmm not really feeling that keen :)
[06:36] <DBO> i understand
[06:36] <DBO> there will be a PPA out january
[06:36] <gaminggeek> does that highlight text change depending on your gtk theme?
[06:37] <DBO> no
[06:37] <DBO> i wanted to completely control the theme of the dock
[06:37] <gaminggeek> ok
[06:37] <DBO> I even when I use gtk widgets i override the theming
[06:37] <gaminggeek> well then I dont know if I like the colour of it..
[06:38] <gaminggeek> I am being really strugling for things to see though
[06:38] <DBO> what?
[06:38] <gaminggeek> the blue colour
[06:38] <DBO> oh
[06:39] <gaminggeek> in the when you type something screen
[06:39] <DBO> it works out ok because of the way you work with it though
[06:39] <DBO> there were two ways we went with the blue highlights you see
[06:39] <DBO> the first time I did it I made them very VERY bright
[06:39] <DBO> brighter than the surrounding text (which was not full white)
[06:39] <DBO> and they stood out
[06:39] <DBO> but this actually proved to be very distracting when you are typing
[06:40] <DBO> it makes your eye go all over the screen
[06:40] <gaminggeek> ah
[06:40] <DBO> so instead we made the "highlighted" items be less bright, and it lets your eyes rest more naturally
[06:40] <gaminggeek> ok then :)
[06:40] <DBO> it looks like a pain, but in usuage, you already know what it says
[06:42] <gaminggeek> very good then :)
[06:42] <DBO> so do you like the dark dock?
[06:42] <gaminggeek> indeed I do :)
[06:42] <DBO> also, next release all the other UI's are animated
[06:42] <gaminggeek> but I am using a dark theme atm
[06:42] <DBO> so they expand smoothly and crossfade icons
[06:42] <gaminggeek> so it will fit in nicly with that
[06:42] <gaminggeek> sexy :)
[06:42] <DBO> yeah
[06:42] <DBO> i have been working REALLY hard on UI's
[06:43] <gaminggeek> what does the big X do?
[06:44] <DBO> show my fail
[06:44] <gaminggeek> lol
[06:45] <gaminggeek> first guess would be close the dock
[06:45] <DBO> no
[06:45] <gaminggeek> second guess would be close the window
[06:45] <DBO> its just the icon you get when I fail to figure out what icon to give an application
[06:45] <gaminggeek> oooooh
[06:45] <gaminggeek> righto :D
[06:45] <DBO> there will be a better generic icon on release
[06:46] <gaminggeek> maybe a ? would be a better icon for that :)
[06:46] <DBO> and i am still working on optimizing the matching
[06:46] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[06:46] <DBO> but the big X makes it obvious for me
[06:46] <gaminggeek> fair enough :D
[06:46] <DBO> it used to be red
[06:46] <gaminggeek> what about window management?
[06:46] <DBO> it does the works
[06:46] <gaminggeek> ah cool :)
[06:46] <DBO> i dare say it does it better than awn and the likes
[06:47] <DBO> everything is treated as an application
[06:47] <DBO> GIMP gets one icon, not three
[06:47] <gaminggeek> what about apps with multiple windows
[06:47] <gaminggeek> like firefox's download thingy
[06:47] <DBO> one icon
[06:47] <DBO> but you can access the individual windows
[06:47] <DBO> by right click
[06:47] <DBO> there is a list of them
[06:47] <gaminggeek> oh sweet :)
[06:48] <gaminggeek> although sometimes you dont know that they are there
[06:48] <DBO> and like I said, that menu is BEAUTIFUL
[06:48] <gaminggeek> ok well I'm gonna have to try this now :)
[06:48] <DBO> yeah I am going to add an indicator for multiple
[06:48] <gaminggeek> you use bzr?
[06:48] <DBO> yes
[06:48] <DBO> code.launchpad.net/~jassmith/do/trunk
[06:49] <DBO> lemme get you a screenshot of the right click menu
[06:49] <DBO> then I gotta run
[06:49] <gaminggeek> ok :)
[06:50] <DBO> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png
[06:50] <DBO> still syncing
[06:51] <gaminggeek> how do you checkout with bzr?
[06:51] <DBO> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/269345/Screenshot-1.png
[06:51] <DBO> now it is there
[06:51] <DBO> bzr branch lp:~jassmith/do/trunk
[06:51] <gaminggeek> oo cool :)
[06:51] <DBO> thats the right click menu
[06:51] <DBO> i gotta go now
[06:51] <gaminggeek> alright
[06:51] <DBO> movie with the ladies
[06:51] <DBO> later
[06:52] <gaminggeek> have fun ;)
[07:09]  * darkmatter can no longer survive without the Do
[07:09] <darkmatter> for a ripoff of third-party mac software it's pretty damn good :P
[07:10] <gaminggeek> lol yea :)
[07:10] <gaminggeek> when it crashed on me once I felt like I had lost something vital :)
[07:10] <darkmatter> hehe
[07:10] <gaminggeek> bah how the hell do you use bzr?
[07:11] <darkmatter> gah.. I can't remember. it's been about two years since the last time I used it
[07:13] <gaminggeek> its proving to be a PITA :P
[07:13] <gaminggeek> and now just checkout works -_-
[07:13] <gaminggeek> sorta..
[07:14] <gaminggeek> wait no bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ejassmith/do/trunk/.bzr/repository/packs/13c1a79f1ad3d00c00f1c908392a02da.pack: Expected a boundary ()Abxh3TPWRgeYBTfpd3h) line, got ''
[07:15] <gaminggeek> anyway bbl
[09:17] <gaminggeek> DBO
[09:17] <DBO> yeah?
[09:17] <gaminggeek> ah finished with the movie
[09:17] <gaminggeek> ok I installed do from your repo
[09:17] <gaminggeek> now how do I get the sexiness?
[09:18] <gaminggeek> I assumed it was the theme but that is greyed out
[09:24] <gaminggeek> ok I got it
[09:24] <gaminggeek> I had to start compiz :)
[09:25] <gaminggeek> oh wow that is cool!
[09:25] <DBO> leave feedback, gotta go again, really sorry
[09:25] <gaminggeek> when you have multiple windows you click the app and both come up :)
[09:25] <gaminggeek> very nice :D
[09:28] <gaminggeek> what about a workspace switcher?
[09:30] <gaminggeek> that little dot thing is really hard to find if you dont know what your looking for
[09:50] <gaminggeek> hi njpatel why does your name sound familiar?
[09:51] <njpatel> gaminggeek: er, because of AWN maybe?
[09:51] <gaminggeek> ahh yea :)
[09:51] <gaminggeek> thought it might have been but I wasnt sure :)
[09:52] <njpatel> :-)
[10:00] <kwwii> real hackers don't stop for christmas, eh Neil?
[10:01] <thorwil> good morning!
[10:02] <kwwii> moin moin
[10:03] <kwwii> nifty idea with the music, btw
[10:03] <thorwil> :)
[10:03] <kwwii> I was tempted to do one in german just so you could hear my accent :p
[10:04] <knome> zomg
[10:04] <kwwii> or perhaps with a frankonian dialekt
[10:09] <thorwil> kwwii: i'm at one finnish contribution so far. so no need to get fancy at all ;)
[10:10] <kwwii> thorwil: I can do a series of english ones in our studio...just gotta find the time after christmas
[10:10] <thorwil> cool
[10:11] <thorwil> looks like the forum is letting me down once more. page 4 with 32 views and no reply
[10:12] <thorwil> luckily the response on the linux audio users list was quite good
[10:13] <kwwii> the forum is probably not the right place to get people to work on something(anything)...
[10:13] <kwwii> oh well, back to cooking for tonight
[10:18] <DBO> alright gaminggeek, i is back
[10:18] <gaminggeek> ah
[10:18] <gaminggeek> brb
[10:18] <DBO> njpatel, are you stalking me
[10:19] <njpatel> DBO: heh, I was here first :-D
[10:19] <DBO> yeah yeah
[10:20] <gaminggeek> I found a few bugs..
[10:20] <DBO> njpatel, where can I find your window matching code
[10:20] <DBO> gaminggeek, I am sure =)
[10:20] <DBO> I would love to hear them so I can fix them before initial release =)
[10:22] <gaminggeek> with the cube plugin at least and you select a window on a different desktop it seems to freeze untill you mouse over the dock again
[10:22] <gaminggeek> and it doesnt go below fullscreen apps
[10:23] <gaminggeek> which is anoying if you watching a movie in totem
[10:23] <DBO> the second one I knew about
[10:23] <njpatel> DBO: At the moment is pretty incomplete, it just matches on pid (if we started the program through a launcher) or tries and Exec= line match from the desktop file to the wm_class of the window. I hope to spend more time over the holidays fixing all that up
[10:23] <DBO> I will work on the cube thing
[10:23] <DBO> njpatel, that is essentially what I am doing...
[10:24] <DBO> njpatel, i am also inspecting /proc
[10:24] <njpatel> DBO: yep, in this case there aren't many different ways to do the same thing
[10:24] <DBO> yeah
[10:24] <gaminggeek> also if you minimise a window change desktop and then click the minimised window it changes desktop but doesnt unminimise the window
[10:24] <DBO> what about your icon finding code?
[10:25] <DBO> hmmm mine does
[10:25] <DBO> you are using compiz?
[10:26] <njpatel> DBO: for loading icons for desktop files?
[10:26] <DBO> for random windows
[10:26] <gaminggeek> DBO: yep using compiz
[10:26] <DBO> gaminggeek, strange
[10:27] <njpatel> again, there is none at the moment, but the best bet would be to try and match the window to an existing desktop file
[10:27] <DBO> I will add an explicit call to unminimize gaminggeek, just to try to help with that
[10:27] <DBO> njpatel, thats what I am doing
[10:27] <DBO> njpatel, i find open office is a son of a gun to get right
[10:27] <gaminggeek> it would be nice to have some kind of implementation of the window managers URGENT tag :)
[10:27] <DBO> i am thinking I am going to have to special case open office before release
[10:27] <DBO> gaminggeek, good point
[10:28] <DBO> i should do that for sure
[10:28] <gaminggeek> :)
[10:28] <njpatel> DBO: Yep, it's basically impossible to get right, they have the most convoluted way of launching their application/setting wm_class name etc
[10:28] <DBO> frustrating
[10:28] <DBO> we should file a bug
[10:29] <gaminggeek> I wish Abiword worked better then I could kick openoffice to the curb
[10:30] <gaminggeek> one thing that will stop me using this in the long term is sometimes I need to turn of compositing
[10:30] <gaminggeek> for 3d apps like blender or warcraft in wine ;)
[10:31] <DBO> gaminggeek, ok the minimize thing is fixed
[10:31] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[10:31] <gaminggeek> is it in bzr?
[10:31] <DBO> in a moment
[10:31] <gaminggeek> ok
[10:32] <DBO> rev 824 should hopefully fix it for you
[10:32] <gaminggeek> wow that is alot of revs..
[10:32] <gaminggeek> ok how do you svn up in bzr?
[10:33] <DBO> bzr pull
[10:33] <gaminggeek> hmm my trash has gone..
[10:33] <gaminggeek> back again..
[10:34] <gaminggeek> that is one thing that shouldnt reall go..
[10:34] <DBO> what do you mean by freeze on cube rotate gaminggeek
[10:34] <DBO> your trash?
[10:34] <gaminggeek> yea the trash icon
[10:34] <DBO> its not really in the dock in any special way
[10:34] <DBO> it just ended up there because you used it from Do
[10:34] <gaminggeek> ah ok :)
[10:35] <gaminggeek> what is a good screen recording app?
[10:35] <DBO> please dont record this yet =)
[10:35] <DBO> i want feedback but really dont want youtube videos out yet
[10:35] <gaminggeek> ah I was just gonna record the bug because its really hard to explain
[10:35] <DBO> oh ok
[10:35] <DBO> gtk-recordmydesktop
[10:35] <gaminggeek> it basicly doesnt get repainted
[10:35] <gaminggeek> untill you mouse over it
[10:36] <gaminggeek> so if you change desktop and move your mouse out of the way fast
[10:36] <gaminggeek> I can take a screenshot acctually
[10:36] <DBO> oh I get it
[10:36] <DBO> yeah I can fix that
[10:36] <gaminggeek> it is fully functional
[10:37] <DBO> its just not seeing your mouse leave
[10:37] <gaminggeek> it's just stuck untill you mouse over
[10:37] <gaminggeek> yea
[10:37] <DBO> ok I reproduced it
[10:37] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[10:37] <DBO> man thats hard to do on a laptop
[10:37] <gaminggeek> that one is annoying :)
[10:37] <gaminggeek> I'm on a laptop :P
[10:37] <gaminggeek> I just have a higher mouse sensitivty or something :)
[10:38] <DBO> gaminggeek, do you have a full screen mouse I can test with?
[10:38] <DBO> gaminggeek, i think its because I have a VERY fast switch time on compiz
[10:38] <DBO> i dont like to wait
[10:38] <gaminggeek> a fullscreen mouse?!
[10:38] <DBO> erm
[10:38] <DBO> full screen application
[10:39] <gaminggeek> I have totem..
[10:39] <DBO> totem causes it?
[10:39] <DBO> what application did you have issues with?
[10:39] <gaminggeek> with the switching?
[10:39] <gaminggeek> all apps
[10:39] <DBO> it no respecting full screen windows
[10:39] <gaminggeek> ohh totem was the one that I used
[10:39] <DBO> hmmm totem works for me...
[10:40] <gaminggeek> and firefox in fullscreen mode
[10:40] <DBO> mplayer fail
[10:40] <DBO> i will fix this
[10:40] <gaminggeek> its more obvious with hiding turned off
[10:41] <DBO> probably
[10:41] <gaminggeek> your dock is ridiculously smooth :)
[10:41] <gaminggeek> and fast
[10:41] <gaminggeek> its nice :)
[10:41] <DBO> yeah, the cairo guys did a great job helping me out
[10:41] <DBO> we went over every surface and figured out the most optimal way to utilize it
[10:41] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[10:42] <gaminggeek> you can tell alot of care and attention has gone into this :)
[10:42] <DBO> sweet, that fixed autohide
[10:42] <gaminggeek> something that would be nice is a very subtle blur on the transparent part of the dock but I dont know if you can do that...
[10:43] <DBO> no i cant sadly
[10:43] <gaminggeek> :(
[10:43] <DBO> I can set a hint for compiz to do it
[10:43] <DBO> and if you have the blur pluggin enabled it will
[10:43] <DBO> but i fear that would ruin the smooth performance I already have =(
[10:43] <gaminggeek> :(
[10:43] <gaminggeek> never mind then
[10:43] <DBO> ok the fullscreen window fix is in bzr now
[10:44] <gaminggeek> sweet :D
[10:44] <DBO> and now for the cube fix
[10:44] <gaminggeek> :)
[10:47] <gaminggeek> then the only problem will be with apps like pidgin or banshee which go into the docking thingy
[10:48] <DBO> ok I think I got it
[10:48] <DBO> yep
[10:48] <DBO> they effectively "close" themselves
[10:48] <DBO> when they do that
[10:48] <DBO> so in the interest of being consistent, I dont track them in the case
[10:48] <DBO> if they close their window instead of minimizing, so be it
[10:49] <gaminggeek> yea its a problem with the design of the docking thingmy not your app :)
[10:49] <DBO> rev 826 fixes your cube issue
[10:49] <DBO> anything else you notice?
[10:49] <gaminggeek> thats about it really
[10:49] <DBO> btw, three bugs in one night, awesome man, wish i could have more beta testers like you =)
[10:50] <gaminggeek> lol thank you :D
[10:50] <gaminggeek> the only other thing is that little dot to turn on hiding is really hard to find..
[10:51] <gaminggeek> and I have pidgin next to it and it looked like I was going to select pidgin rather than the hiding thingy
[10:51] <gaminggeek> oh yea there was one thing
[10:52] <gaminggeek> desktop changing...
[10:52] <DBO> yeah?
[10:52] <DBO> not fixed?
[10:52] <gaminggeek> no the little desktop changing applet
[10:52] <DBO> oh yeah, that will probably have to be a V 2.0 feature
[10:52] <gaminggeek> ok sweet :)
[10:53] <gaminggeek> oh yea it looks funny when starting up
[10:53] <DBO> yeah i know...
[10:53] <gaminggeek> and defaults to typing mode rather than dockmode
[10:54] <DBO> you can fix that if you open preferences and select the quiet startup
[10:54] <gaminggeek> ok sweet :)
[10:54] <DBO> in the general tab
[10:54] <gaminggeek> yea I know where it is :)
[10:55] <gaminggeek> then the only thing is the strange start up
[10:55] <DBO> will look at it but the fix might be "dont render till everything is perfect"
[10:55] <gaminggeek> yea that would be the fix that I would do :)
[10:56] <DBO> the autohide button will be growing
[10:56] <DBO> and probably gain some hover text
[10:57] <DBO> or maybe just light up when you are over it
[10:57] <gaminggeek> cool :D
[10:57] <gaminggeek> light up and text is what I would do
[10:57] <DBO> that might be worth it
[10:57] <DBO> I want the interface to be playful
[10:57] <DBO> also, you figured out how to resize the dock?
[10:58] <gaminggeek> nope
[10:58] <DBO> see the separator?
[10:58] <gaminggeek> yea..
[10:58] <DBO> move your icon to the top of it
[10:58] <DBO> cursor that is
[10:58] <gaminggeek> I draged on that and it crashed..
[10:58] <DBO> oh sweet
[10:58] <DBO> and traceback?
[10:58] <DBO> in terminal?
[10:58] <gaminggeek> I wasnt running from terminal
[10:59] <gaminggeek> trying to repoduce it now :)
[10:59] <DBO> thank you
[10:59] <DBO> i imagine its the xcb issue again
[10:59] <gaminggeek> bah cant reproduce it :'(
[10:59] <DBO> yeah it happens
[11:00] <DBO> thats almost certainly the xcb locking issue
[11:00] <gaminggeek> oh I see how to resize it now
[11:00] <gaminggeek> I was trying to drag the seperator :P
[11:01] <DBO> yeah that was much more mathematically involved
[11:01] <gaminggeek> resizing is a little chuggy
[11:01] <DBO> yep
[11:01] <gaminggeek> cant fix it?
[11:02] <DBO> essentially resize performance is the render speed you get with zero optimizations
[11:02] <DBO> mmm... I could not draw the icons...
[11:02] <DBO> that would fix it
[11:02] <gaminggeek> but then it wouldnt be sexy :)
[11:02] <gaminggeek> its not worth not drawing the icons
[11:02] <DBO> it might be worth considering for the additional usability
[11:03] <DBO> anyhow, i gotta help a friend for a couple minutes
[11:03] <DBO> back shortly
[11:03] <gaminggeek> ok :)
[11:03] <gaminggeek> oh I thought of something else that would be nice
[11:04] <gaminggeek> ok on second thought this idea wouldnt work with more than one window
[11:06] <gaminggeek> btw merry christmas from new zealand ;)
[11:07] <DBO> merry christmass
[11:08] <gaminggeek> what font do you use for the text in the titles?
[11:23] <DBO> its just whatever pango picks as sans gaminggeek
[11:23] <DBO> i will probably be converting it to the system font at some point
[11:23] <gaminggeek> ok sweet :)
[11:24] <DBO> all the other fonts are system fonts
[11:24] <gaminggeek> because it looks funny with all my other fonts being lucinda grande
[11:25] <DBO> lucinda grande
[11:25] <DBO> hmmm
[11:25] <gaminggeek> yea thats what I said :)
[11:25] <DBO> so what was your idea anyhow?
[11:25] <gaminggeek> make it the system font
[11:26] <gaminggeek> but you got it so yea,,
[11:26] <DBO> no the one that wont work with a second window
[11:26] <gaminggeek> ohh right
[11:26] <gaminggeek> just change it to the window title
[11:26] <DBO> thats not a bad idea actually
[11:26] <gaminggeek> ah :)
[11:26] <DBO> i could easily detect if there are multiple and then go back to doing what I do now
[11:26] <gaminggeek> yea :)
[11:28] <DBO> also
[11:28] <DBO> how do you think i should show that an icon has multiple windows open
[11:28] <DBO> without right clicking
[11:29] <gaminggeek> hmm
[11:29] <gaminggeek> maybe more triangles..
[11:29] <gaminggeek> or a different kind of maker
[11:29] <DBO> thats kinda what I was thinking
[11:29] <gaminggeek> an = sign or a few lines
[11:30] <DBO> i was thinking of moving from triangles to a glow dot
[11:30] <gaminggeek> something that would be nifty but kinda tacky at the same time and hard to do would be to have it show more than one icon, like your holding a hand of cards
[11:30] <DBO> and where there are mutliple windows, use two glow dots
[11:30] <DBO> too tacky and wont scale well
[11:31] <gaminggeek> yea
[11:31] <gaminggeek> dots would be cool
[11:31] <DBO> i will do that
[11:32] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[11:33] <gaminggeek> can you do fake transparency for when compositing is not available?
[11:34] <DBO> no
[11:34] <DBO> well yes
[11:34] <DBO> but it would be bad...
[11:34] <gaminggeek> bad fake transparency is better than the mess that you get when you have no compositing
[11:35] <gaminggeek> or do you mean it would make your code ugly?
[11:35] <DBO> Do wont let you start the dock without compositing
[11:36] <DBO> it will let you disable compositing after starting the dock however...
[11:36] <DBO> but that will be BAD
[11:36] <gaminggeek> yea
[11:36] <gaminggeek> gah I added something that I didnt want to by mistake how do I get rid of it?
[11:36] <DBO> drag it off
[11:37] <gaminggeek> ah nifty :)
[11:37] <DBO> thanks ya
[11:37] <gaminggeek> gah no skype icon
[11:37] <DBO> oops, can you tell me what it says when you hover?
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[11:38] <DBO> weird
[11:38] <DBO> i can see why it fails
[11:39] <DBO> i will try to fix skype, it can only help my icon detection
[11:39] <DBO> I have disabled "fuzzy" icons
[11:39] <DBO> if you notice, there should be no fuzzy icons on your dock
[11:39] <DBO> I could easily get fuzzy icons, i just want to try to not have to
[11:40] <gaminggeek> xine is still fuzzy
[11:40] <DBO> really?
[11:40] <DBO> damn
[11:40] <DBO> ok, one fail
[11:40] <gaminggeek> well I might not be running the right Rev
[11:41] <DBO> no you are fine
[11:41] <gaminggeek> is this a new development?
[11:41] <DBO> no
[11:41] <gaminggeek> ah ok
[11:41] <DBO> i am working on skype icon now
[11:41] <gaminggeek> and pidgin
[11:41] <DBO> pidgin fail?
[11:41] <DBO> no way
[11:41] <gaminggeek> well what do you mean by fuzzy?
[11:41] <DBO> oh its fuzzy
[11:42] <DBO> well yes, there is a limit
[11:42] <DBO> your icon theme does matter
[11:42] <DBO> some icon themes are better than others
[11:42] <gaminggeek> ah well its not fuzzy but its not smooth and nice like the vectors
[11:42] <DBO> yeah
[11:42] <DBO> its a png
[11:42] <DBO> scaled
[11:42] <gaminggeek> indeed
[11:42] <DBO> i cant do much about that
[11:43] <gaminggeek> the scaling it nicer than others though
[11:43] <DBO> yeah because I am doing it reverse from most
[11:43] <gaminggeek> brb gotta put the cat out
[11:43] <DBO> I pick the icon as big as it ever get
[11:43] <DBO> s
[11:43] <DBO> and then scale it down
[11:44] <gaminggeek> ah :)
[11:45] <gaminggeek> hmm if you use pidgin it sets the buddy icon of the active contact
[11:46] <DBO> really?
[11:46] <gaminggeek> it doesnt relflect this in your doc
[11:46] <gaminggeek> k
[11:46] <gaminggeek> yea
[11:46] <DBO> i dont use pidgin
[11:47] <gaminggeek> I notested :)
[11:48] <gaminggeek> that what an atrocious attempt of spelling that..
[11:49] <gaminggeek> is firefox a vector?
[11:49] <DBO> depends on your icons
[11:50] <gaminggeek> well in default ubuntu
[11:50] <DBO> no idea
[11:51] <DBO> i dont re-render the vector at each scale however
[11:51] <DBO> its perfect at max and min size
[11:51] <DBO> and in between it gets fuzzy
[11:52] <gaminggeek> ah for the vectors
[11:52] <gaminggeek> how do you do the inbetween sizes?
[11:52] <gaminggeek> just scale it?
[11:52] <DBO> yes
[11:53] <DBO> performance demands it
[11:53] <DBO> rendering vectors can take 2 or 3 ms
[11:53] <DBO> span that over 10 or 15 icons
[11:53] <gaminggeek> ah I see
[11:53] <DBO> and you have a 45ms render time when you need to be done in 5
[11:53] <gaminggeek> ok found something
[11:53] <DBO> do tell
[11:53] <DBO> skype is going to work in a moment
[11:53] <DBO> I can feel it
[11:54] <gaminggeek> how do you get to the edge of the bar if you dont have a window that isnt in the dock open?
[11:54] <DBO> ah yeah, I know, its a known design flaw
[11:54] <gaminggeek> :)
[11:55] <gaminggeek> could you have the end bits active too and have it scale the same way when you drag it out?
[11:55] <gaminggeek> although that would be a little counter intuitive..
[11:57] <DBO> not really
[11:57] <DBO> thats asking a lot
[11:57] <DBO> skype works now
[11:57] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[11:58] <DBO> 827
[11:59] <DBO> lets see
[11:59] <DBO> open office, yeah we might as well just special case that...
[11:59] <gaminggeek> :)
[12:00] <DBO> oh i should fix pidgin
[12:00] <gaminggeek> yea that would be nice :)
[12:01] <DBO> can you test for me
[12:01] <DBO> rev 828
[12:01] <gaminggeek> that was fast :)
[12:01] <gaminggeek> what am I testing pidgin?
[12:01] <DBO> ya
[12:02] <gaminggeek> bzr is slow -_-
[12:04] <gaminggeek> nope still not working with pidgine
[12:04] <gaminggeek> er pidgin
[12:05] <DBO> damn
[12:05] <DBO> i wonder how the hell it is getting an icon in the first place...
[12:05] <gaminggeek> good work with skype though :)
[12:05] <DBO> guess i need to setup pidgin
[12:05] <gaminggeek> although it looks a little odd
[12:05] <gaminggeek> not fully scaled
[12:06] <DBO> really?
[12:06] <gaminggeek> yep
[12:06] <gaminggeek> want a screenshot?
[12:06] <DBO> yes please
[12:07] <gaminggeek> www.axonstudio.com/files/Screenshot.png
[12:07] <DBO> weird
[12:07] <gaminggeek> same thing happens for the screenshot icon btw
[12:08] <DBO> ahhh
[12:08] <DBO> your dock is not fully sized
[12:08] <DBO> mmm
[12:08] <gaminggeek> yea
[12:08] <DBO> so the scaling broke somehow
[12:08] <gaminggeek> :/
[12:08] <DBO> or gtk is screwing with me
[12:08] <gaminggeek> we are getting some major bug finding and fixing done :)
[12:10] <DBO> hmmm
[12:10] <DBO> skype scales properly here
[12:10] <gaminggeek> probably should remove that screenshot now..
[12:10] <DBO> please
[12:11] <DBO> oh i see
[12:11] <DBO> I have an svg on my system
[12:12] <gaminggeek> for skype?
[12:12] <DBO> there we go
[12:13] <DBO> yes
[12:13] <gaminggeek> ah
[12:13] <gaminggeek> updated?
[12:13] <DBO> i found another poor scaler though
[12:13] <DBO> working on it now
[12:14] <gaminggeek> xsane too
[12:14] <gaminggeek> it seems to be only if its not in the bar
[12:14] <DBO> pidgin is going to be hard to fix
[12:14] <gaminggeek> dont worry about it then
[12:14] <gaminggeek> its just a little nice thing :)
[12:14] <DBO> it should be the person you are chatting with that gets their picture to show up by the way
[12:15] <gaminggeek> yea
[12:15] <DBO> not actually that bad...
[12:18] <DBO> there, that fixes scaling
[12:18] <gaminggeek> sweet :D
[12:19] <DBO> pushed
[12:20] <DBO> also, you can drag folders and files onto the dock
[12:20] <DBO> if you did not know
[12:20] <gaminggeek> oh sweet :)
[12:20] <DBO> seems to be broken
[12:20] <DBO> lemme check that
[12:20] <gaminggeek> but it doesnt have the icon of the file :)
[12:21] <DBO> oh i see
[12:21] <gaminggeek> be nice to have it so if you drag the file into an app it launched the app with the file as the argument
[12:21] <DBO> it cant do spaces for some reason
[12:22] <gaminggeek> so if you drag a media file into toem it launched
[12:22] <DBO> yeah it would be nice, but alas much more difficult
[12:22] <gaminggeek> :/
[12:22] <DBO> V 2.0
[12:22] <gaminggeek> ok :D
[12:22] <gaminggeek> or -'s
[12:22] <DBO> you are using v0.9
[12:23] <gaminggeek> ah I see :)
[12:23] <gaminggeek> its very slick :)
[12:23] <gaminggeek> slicker than the mac os dock in many ways :)
[12:24] <gaminggeek> how did you come up with the idea for it?
[12:25] <DBO> for the most part other docks ticked me off with the need for a config UI
[12:25] <gaminggeek> ah :)
[12:26] <gaminggeek> what was the spark of insperation to use do?
[12:26] <DBO> i am a core do developer already
[12:26] <DBO> so it was more or less a duh moment
[12:26] <gaminggeek> ah I see :)
[12:26] <DBO> in a sense its not fair
[12:26] <gaminggeek> ?
[12:26] <DBO> I know Do has everything you need to make a great dock
[12:26] <DBO> I just had to put it together
[12:26] <gaminggeek> ah :D
[12:26] <DBO> there we go
[12:27] <DBO> now spaces work
[12:27] <gaminggeek> ok
[12:27] <gaminggeek> what about the no icons issue?
[12:27] <DBO> you mean open office?
[12:27] <gaminggeek> no in files
[12:27] <DBO> well ultimately they get the icon that Do gives them
[12:28] <DBO> so to give them better icons, we must improve Do's icons
[12:28] <DBO> which is nice because I get a 2 for 1
[12:28] <gaminggeek> ah sweet :D
[12:29] <DBO> darnnit what was I fixing...
[12:29] <DBO> oh right, centering previews
[12:31] <DBO> there we are
[12:32] <gaminggeek> sweet :)
[12:32] <DBO> if you drag an image onto the dock it does preview it
[12:32] <gaminggeek> your fixing thease fast :D
[12:32] <DBO> provided nautilus has already previewed it
[12:32] <gaminggeek> does that already..
[12:33] <DBO> yeah I know
[12:33] <gaminggeek> ah I see this is a feature youre telling me about :)
[12:33] <DBO> i was just saying
[12:33] <gaminggeek> nifty :)
[12:34] <DBO> can you find any other apps without icons?
[12:35] <gaminggeek> wine apps just show the wine wine glass
[12:35] <gaminggeek> rather than the app of the icon
[12:35] <gaminggeek> but that is a very special case type of thing
[12:35] <DBO> yeah
[12:35] <DBO> not sure i can do much there
[12:35] <gaminggeek> and the wine glass still works
[12:36] <gaminggeek> fair enough
[12:37] <DBO> so what do you think then?
[12:37] <gaminggeek> very nice :D
[12:38] <gaminggeek> only problem now is I wont be able to use it all the time because sometimes I need to use metacity :/
[12:38] <DBO> what do you normally use?
[12:38] <gaminggeek> compiz
[12:39] <DBO> it works in compiz
[12:39] <DBO> i am using compiz...
[12:39] <DBO> oh wait
[12:39] <gaminggeek> but sometimes metacity if I need to use blender or play games
[12:39] <DBO> it works in metacity if you turn on the compositor
[12:39] <DBO> which doesn't hurt game performance
[12:39] <DBO> or blender performance
[12:40] <gaminggeek> just tried it
[12:40] <gaminggeek> that works :)
[12:40] <DBO> ;)
[12:41] <gaminggeek> I had forgotten about that :)
[12:41] <DBO> =)
[12:41] <DBO> personally i prefer xfwm
[12:42] <DBO> but metacity works too
[12:42] <DBO> of course latest xfwm is slow as balls
[12:42] <DBO> so dont bother
[12:42] <gaminggeek> ok :)
[12:42] <gaminggeek> also I cant be bothered tweaking the appearance app to use xfwm :P
[12:43] <DBO> yeah
[12:45] <gaminggeek> do you use ubuntu?
[12:46] <gaminggeek> ok found something
[12:46] <DBO> whats it?
[12:46] <DBO> i use ubuntu yeah
[12:47] <gaminggeek> if you have a folder under the dock window
[12:47] <gaminggeek> even if its noware near the doc but under that transparent bit
[12:47] <gaminggeek> and you try to drag files into said folder they get added to the doc
[12:47] <DBO> yeah that one is annoying
[12:48] <gaminggeek> also if you open the appearance settings window it has a different name on the dock to the one on the window
[12:49] <DBO> mine is the same
[12:49] <DBO> its an icon theme thing then
[12:49] <gaminggeek> oh?
[12:50] <DBO> some icon themes have different icons depending on the size
[12:52] <gaminggeek> no not that
[12:53] <gaminggeek> http://www.axonstudio.com/files/Screenshot.png
[12:54] <gaminggeek> and that drag and drop bug is REALLY annoying :)
[12:56] <DBO> the screenshot is expected
[12:56] <DBO> the drag and drop bug is uhhh... interesting to try to fix
[12:56] <DBO> its a 1.0 must fix
[12:56] <DBO> i just dont know how yet
[12:56] <gaminggeek> :/
[12:56] <DBO> well i have a plan
[12:57] <DBO> work comes to work, i will add a second window just for this purpose
[12:57] <DBO> you wont see it, as it will be transparent, but it will be useful
[12:57] <gaminggeek> ok
[12:57] <gaminggeek> as long as you fix the bug :)
[12:58] <gaminggeek> does awn have the problem?
[12:58] <DBO> awn does
[12:58] <DBO> erm
[12:58] <DBO> i forget actually
[12:58] <DBO> one of the docks out there does
[12:58] <gaminggeek> ok
[12:59] <gaminggeek> well I really need to sleep
[12:59] <gaminggeek> its almost 2 am here :)
[13:00] <gaminggeek> and it would be nice if you could right click on the trash and it have an empty trash option
[13:01] <gaminggeek> and if you add something to the dock using that add button it doesnt put it in alphabetical order
[13:02] <DBO> a plugin for Do could do it =)
[13:02] <DBO> actually it puts it on the right of the "Statistical items"
[13:02] <gaminggeek> ahh ok :)
[13:04] <gaminggeek> it would be nice to have the trash seperate but you can live with out it being seperate..
[13:09] <gaminggeek> anyway I'm out see you soon :)
[13:10] <DBO> later
[19:30] <troy_s> Ho ho ho.
[23:21] <knome> http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=62598d8c-c878-4f2b-b261-467004330cf9
[23:21] <knome> \o/