[00:00] <charlie-tca> Try the recommendations from Bryce Harrington. He's usually right on.
[00:03] <ermoved> is there something comparable to gnomebaker that doesn't use gnome?  xfburn doesn't do audio cds, unfortunately...
[00:04] <crimsun> ermoved: presuming you want a gui?
[00:04] <ermoved> not absolutely
[00:05] <ermoved> i found mp3cd, i think it is..
[00:05] <ermoved> the command line.. what.. perl script that burns normalized cds?
[00:05] <crimsun> right, there are a number of cli ones
[00:05] <ermoved> yeah
[00:05] <crimsun> yeah, most are perl-based =)
[00:06]  * ermoved ponders learning perl one day
[00:07] <ermoved> i just noticed that gnomebaker is finicky... defaulting to 20minute audio cd?  please!
[00:07] <ermoved> plus it's ugly as sin
[00:07] <ermoved> cli importing an m3u would be easier heh
[00:07] <mikegriffin> never used xubuntu before, more of a fluxbox and vim kinda guy. does xubuntu have the standard bells with regards to network configuration via gui, automagic mounting of removable media etc?
[00:08] <mikegriffin> installing a laptop with 512M of RAM for a non-tech
[00:08] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:08] <ermoved> mikegriffin, oh yes.  very much so.
[00:09] <mikegriffin> what is the network manager called?
[00:09] <mikegriffin> and if that is true, why are you using gnomebaker :P
[00:09] <ermoved> mikegriffin, i'm not using gnomebaker, i'm trying to find an alternative because it sucks
[00:10] <charlie-tca> mikegriffin: network manager
[00:11] <mikegriffin> oh ok it just uses the gnome one it would seem
[00:11] <ermoved> mikegriffin, no
[00:12] <mikegriffin> http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/   functioning just as well in Gnome, KDE, Xfce, etc. across distributions like Fedora Core, Ubuntu, SuSE, Debian, and Gentoo
[00:12] <ermoved> oh
[00:12] <ermoved> wiat
[00:12] <ermoved> wait
[00:12] <ermoved> blah
[00:13] <mikegriffin> dont be sad, they didnt have to reinvent the wheel everywhere
[00:13] <ermoved> yeah
[00:13] <ermoved> was just thinking of my little tray icon thing
[00:13] <ermoved> but its not one of the xfce4-applets
[00:14] <ermoved> the curious thing about xubuntu is that gnome still plays a big part, for instance, the default system monitor is from gnome
[00:15] <ermoved> but it still works better on low-end systems
[00:15] <mikegriffin> have you tried fluxbuntu?
[00:15] <ermoved> like this old one i'm on now.  running with compositor and drop shadows and all that, still runs quicker than ubuntu default
[00:15] <ermoved> no
[00:15] <mikegriffin> im just scared of the ubuntu derivitives not having the same quality
[00:16] <ermoved> well, looking at the fluxbuntu website, that's a valid concern
[00:16] <mikegriffin> proper deps, patching etc were more on my mind
[00:17] <ermoved> but xubuntu and kubutnu are, well, just as good as the ubuntu default, just less reliance upon gnome.
[00:17] <ermoved> oh
[00:17] <ermoved> pff
[00:17] <knome> ermoved, what do you think of the xubuntu site then?
[00:18] <ermoved> i think your concerns about deps, patching, and on are overblown.
[00:18] <ermoved> knome: in that it contains actual useful information, it's better than the fluxbox website ;)
[00:19] <ermoved> err fluxbuntu
[00:19] <mikegriffin> ermoved: i am avoiding technical support, which is why xp is being removed
[00:21] <ermoved> mikegriffin, all your dependencies, patches, and so forth will be taken care of via synaptic and the update-manager, which are identical across ubuntu flavors
[00:22] <ermoved> or, if you chose, you can do it all on the command line via apt-get.  but, even then.  it's the same.  at the core, the system is identical.  the flavors merely differ in applications that come as default, not in structure or foundation.
[00:23] <mikegriffin> that is not true with all derivatives unfortunately
[00:23] <mikegriffin> eg nubuntu  just installs stuff from tgz all over the place
[00:23] <mikegriffin> for some packages that are even in apt, its sad
[00:24] <mikegriffin> still a useful dist :)
[00:24] <knome> nubuntu?
[00:24] <mikegriffin> nUbuntu or Network Ubuntu is a project to take the existing Ubuntu operating system LiveCD and Full Installer and remaster it with tools needed for penetration testing servers and networks.
[00:24] <knome> a-ha.
[00:24] <ermoved> okay
[00:24] <knome> suppose they are installing later versions than they would get from apt?
[00:25] <ermoved> if it's listed on the www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu page, then
[00:25] <ermoved> i'm sorry, i just always assume that people are limiting themselves to x/k/ed/ubuntus.
[00:25] <ermoved> my bad
[00:26] <knome> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives
[00:27] <ermoved> there you go
[00:27] <ermoved> excellent
[00:27] <knome> that is the at least somehow supported scale
[00:27] <knome> all the other products are on their own
[00:29] <knome> i don't even know if mark shuttleworth wants eg. nubuntu to use that name
[01:01] <paulo39> ups
[01:19] <mikegriffin> thanks guys
[01:47] <happyface> can someone help me install xubuntu using an external usb hard drive?
[01:48] <GreedyB> how would one browse network shares with Xubuntu?  I used to do it with Nautilus.. but... I'm a bit confused
[01:53] <Adola> Is Automatix still avaliable?
[01:53] <p3n1x> GreedyB, install pyneighborhood
[01:53] <p3n1x> thats what i use to mount my smb shares, then thunar kicks in
[02:10] <GreedyB> thanks p3n1x
[02:17] <charlie-tca> Adola: Automatix is not good software. It was discontinued because it messed up too many systems
[02:17] <Adola> Ok
[03:50] <easotokr> hi everyone, some help with latam keyboard please
[03:56] <easotokr> I have a latam keyboard layout but i can`t configure
[03:59] <easotokr> someone can read me???
[05:44] <crazy2be> uh
[05:45] <crazy2be> so i feel like an idiot now
[05:45] <crazy2be> i finnaly got xubuntu to install via the alternite CD
[05:45] <crazy2be> and i forgot the password
[05:45] <crazy2be> and username
[05:46] <crazy2be> although if i just knew the username
[05:46] <crazy2be> i should be able to guess the password
[05:46] <crazy2be> how can i figure out what accounts are on a system via the live CD?
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: the user name would probably the name of /home/<username>
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: i would just boot into recovery mode. then drop to a root shell.
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> you can "ls /home" to find any home directory of any users.
[05:48] <crazy2be> ok
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> then you can "passwd <username>" to change the password...
[05:48] <crazy2be> how do i boot into recovery mode?
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: well, before GRUB loads, press esc
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> then choose recoverymode from the menu.
[05:49] <crazy2be> ah k
[05:49] <crazy2be> 1 sec
[05:53] <crazy2be> ok
[05:53] <crazy2be> that seems to of worked
[05:53] <crazy2be> just let me restart and try to login now
[05:58] <crazy2be> 0o
[05:58] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: no worky?
[05:58] <crazy2be> this time when i tried to strat it
[05:58] <crazy2be> i got kernel panic
[05:59] <crazy2be> kernel panic - not syncing - attempting to kill init
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> hmm... reboot and try again...
[05:59] <crazy2be> bizzare
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> did you do anything else in the root shell?
[06:00] <crazy2be> i got my 64 MB of ram back that went 'missing'
[06:00] <crazy2be> and apparently it is just about all screwed up
[06:00] <crazy2be> and no i didn't do anything else in the root shell
[06:01] <crazy2be> all i did was reboot...
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> idk...
[06:02] <crazy2be> lol
[06:03] <crazy2be> i don't know either
[06:03] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: you just did passwd username?
[06:03] <crazy2be> yeah
[06:03] <crazy2be> and rebooted
[06:03] <Odd-rationale> is it still kernel panicing?
[06:04] <crazy2be> not right now, i'm doing a memtest
[06:04] <Odd-rationale> k
[06:05] <crazy2be> sofar, 500,000 ish errors
[06:05] <crazy2be> not even throught the first test yet :/
[06:06] <crazy2be> it's wierd
[06:06] <crazy2be> because the BIOS didn't even notice it
[06:06] <crazy2be> now it does
[06:07] <crazy2be> 800,000 ish errors, still on the first test :/
[06:09] <crazy2be> well, it seems to be loading fine after taking one stick out
[06:09] <crazy2be> wierd
[06:15] <crazy2be> one mroe question
[06:15] <Odd-rationale> sure.
[06:15] <crazy2be> my installed xubuntu allways boots into low grafics mode
[06:15] <crazy2be> but the live cd boots into normal mode just fine?
[06:17] <crazy2be> also
[06:17] <crazy2be> i have a USB wireless adapter
[06:18] <crazy2be> xubuntu couldn't find the drivers for it
[06:18] <crazy2be> is there any way i can install drivers?
[06:19] <crazy2be> (i have drivers for windows)
[06:21] <crazy2be> and i know they are quite different internally
[06:21] <crazy2be> but is there any way to use those drivers on xubuntu?
[06:22] <crazy2be> throught WINE, etc
[06:22] <Odd-rationale> crazy2be: yeah, there is ndiswrapper that might work for installing th windows driver.
[06:22] <crazy2be> now how to install it wihtou internet on that pc
[06:22] <crazy2be> :P
[06:25] <crazy2be> ok
[06:25] <crazy2be> i'll try that
[06:25] <crazy2be> but i have to go to sleep for now :P
[06:25] <crazy2be> thank you for your help!
[06:25] <crazy2be> you are truely amazing!
[06:41] <FLCL> Hello
[12:22] <rgrig> After moving to xubuntu, evince says "service registration failed, failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-***: connection refuses". It doesn't remember position in files and does not remember window position on the screen. It works fine when started as "sudo evince".
[12:23] <rgrig> I'd rather have it work fine without running as root. Any idea on how I might fix it would be greatly appreciated.
[12:25] <filipegatti> help people, this is kind urgent. everytime i log in i don't see nothing. only a blue background. i cant right click, no options appear. and there is nothing to click also. for some luck my irc client has opened because the last time i turned it off it was open
[12:25] <filipegatti> i don't know how to fix this, since i can't do nothing in this condition
[12:26] <TheSheep> filipegatti: try pressing alt+ctrl+backspace and logging in again
[12:26] <filipegatti> already tried that.
[12:26] <filipegatti> this happened when i was trying to turn on my external monitor, it was buggy, sometimes it worked ok, sometimes don't. i think xubuntu doesnt like it :P
[12:27] <filipegatti> if I press the power button I have some options like log out, turn off, hibernate, the default ones. thats all.
[12:27] <TheSheep> filipegatti: does alf+f2 work?
[12:27] <TheSheep> filipegatti: if so, press it and type 'xfce4-panel', then again and 'xfdesktop'
[12:28] <filipegatti> it worked... man, how do you know these things? :P
[12:29] <filipegatti> well, back to the battle of turning on an external monitor
[12:29] <TheSheep> filipegatti: those are the apps that actually display the panel and the desktop
[12:31] <filipegatti> yes TheSheep, I've noticed that. I'm saying that because for me, to know this, you must know a lot. Maybe someday I'll know as much as you do today.
[12:33] <filipegatti> Thank you. I'll continue here
[13:21] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, what would you say is the de facto standard CD-ripping-to-mp3 app that goes well with xfce?
[13:24] <ablomen> RurouniJones, if you already use rhythmbox like i do, let that do it, otherwise i know only grip, and that has been around a long long time so should be stable enough
[13:26] <RurouniJones> Not for me, someone is using Exaile(?) for their MP3s
[13:26] <RurouniJones> But I shall try and switch them to rhythmbox
[13:28]  * TheSheep uses sound juicer
[15:00] <Keroro> Hello?
[15:02] <RNGibberish> Jeeez, all the nicks seem to be registered
[15:04] <RNGibberish> Anyway, I was wondering if someone could help me with partitioning in Xubuntu 8.10?
[15:04] <Odd-rationale> sure. are you just installing?
[15:05] <RNGibberish> I'm attempting to create a partition to allow me to dual boot, I'm on XP right now, but the thing is, in Xubuntu, it only gives the option to use the entire harddisk to install to, and not create a partition from the free space
[15:05] <Odd-rationale> RNGibberish: hmm... did you defrag before trying to resize?
[15:06] <RNGibberish> Yes, although, I did clean out a lot of files afterward, so I may have to go and do it again
[15:06] <RNGibberish> Defraggler takes such a long time to clean up such a small amount of data x___x
[15:06] <Odd-rationale> are you using the livecd? or the alternative cd?
[15:07] <RNGibberish> LiveCD, but I have the alternative CD here too.
[15:07] <Odd-rationale> well, if the installer won't let you partition, you could just use gparted on the live cd and try to partition it with that...
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Is Gparted on the LiveCD?
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> i beleive so.
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Where can it be found?
[15:08] <Odd-rationale> applications --> system --> partition editor, or something like that...
[15:08] <RNGibberish> Ahh, okay
[15:09] <RNGibberish> I'm a newbie to Linux in general, my PC isn't too great, so I have to kind of work my way through slowly
[15:58] <zdog291> hey does any one here know how to fix pci: unknown header file 08
[15:59] <zdog291> i am trying to get xubuntu to recognise my ethernet cade cnet pro200
[16:00] <zdog291> -.-
[16:04] <zdog291> any help with unknown pci header type 08 guys?
[16:51] <crazy2be> help using NDISWrapper?
[16:51] <crazy2be> or is there somewhere else i should go for that?
[16:52] <crazy2be> like, how do i even run it?
[16:53] <sinbox> hi again crazy2be had any luck with that CD yet?
[16:53] <crazy2be> yeah
[16:53] <crazy2be> it was a very bad stick of memeory
[16:54] <crazy2be> that decided to die
[16:54] <crazy2be> but i'm trying to install my wireless driver now
[16:54] <crazy2be> it's a USB model
[16:55] <crazy2be> so someone reccomended NDISWrapper
[16:55] <sinbox> erm
[16:55] <crazy2be> but i can't figure out what i'm supposed to do
[16:55] <sinbox> try and find out more about your USB stick first, there are other ways depending on the chipset that is in it
[16:56] <crazy2be> i don't even know how to change directorys in the bash
[16:56] <crazy2be> ok
[16:56] <sinbox> never had to use NDISwrapper so I'm afraid I can't help you, but there are vast amounts of posts about it in the forums, try and find one that says solved at the beginning of the title
[16:56] <sinbox> k got to run before all the shops are closed me :/
[16:56] <crazy2be> it's a trendnet TEW-424UB
[16:56] <crazy2be> lol
[16:56] <crazy2be> ttyl
[16:57] <sinbox> have you read this?  >>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[16:57] <crazy2be> last minute shopping much? :P
[16:57] <crazy2be> reading...
[16:58] <crazy2be> ah
[16:58] <crazy2be> mine is there
[16:58] <crazy2be> have to use NDIS wrapper
[17:03] <crazy2be> uh
[17:03] <crazy2be> there is no ndiswrappper in the package list
[17:04] <crazy2be> so how would i install the package manually?
[17:04] <christian> em hi, i want to completly erase my windows partition of my computer, i tried with virtualbox and i already installed a version of windows xp, but it doesnt recognize usb drivres?
[17:05] <crazy2be> eh?
[17:05] <christian> and i only find solutions to Ubuntu
[17:05] <crazy2be> what's so hard about removing your windows install?
[17:05] <christian> no no no
[17:05] <crazy2be> and what does virtualbox have to do with it?
[17:06] <christian> i installed virtualbox to virtualize windows
[17:06] <christian> right?
[17:06] <crazy2be> ok...
[17:06] <christian> then i tried it but Vbox doesnt recognize usb drivers
[17:06] <crazy2be> you want it to?
[17:07] <christian> yeah, because i want all my hard disk to xubuntu
[17:07] <crazy2be> ...
[17:07] <christian> and i search in google and all i find are solutions for ubuntu
[17:07] <crazy2be> the virtual hard disk will take up just as much space
[17:08] <crazy2be> as partiations would
[17:08] <christian> no only 5gb
[17:08] <crazy2be> yeah...
[17:08] <christian> and i wont need to restart the computer
[17:08] <crazy2be> yo ucan install xp on a 5GB partition
[17:08] <crazy2be> ok
[17:08] <crazy2be> but it *will* be slower
[17:08] <crazy2be> jsut FYI
[17:09] <crazy2be> (i assupe you know that)
[17:09] <crazy2be> did you check the virtualbox docs?
[17:09] <christian> WIDK (Well I Dont Know)
[17:09] <crazy2be> i know it can recognize USB Drives
[17:10] <christian> em no
[17:10] <crazy2be> eh?
[17:10] <christian> wait a second
[17:12] <crazy2be> USB on Ubuntu/Intrepid: Finally, the Ubuntu guys completely removed these lines. So you have to manually add them again: mkdir -p /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs domount usbfs "" /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs usbfs -obusmode=0700,devmode=0600,listmode=0644 ln -s .usbfs/devices /dev/bus/usb/devices mount --rbind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb Add these lines to at the end of the start() function of /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh.
[17:12] <crazy2be> Note that the udev permissions for the USB devices are still used. For instance, to access a USB disk you have to be member of the group disk. Execute /bin/ls -l /proc/bus/usb/*/* and check if you have write access to all desired USB devices.
[17:12] <crazy2be> If you want to make all USB devices available for users member of the vboxusers group, apply the proposed change for USB on openSUSE.
[17:13] <crazy2be> there you go ;)
[17:13] <crazy2be> RTFM!!
[17:13] <crazy2be> :P
[17:13] <crazy2be> now, can you help me install a package?
[17:14] <crazy2be> i need the ndis packages
[17:14] <crazy2be> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/TRENDnet_TEW-424UB_(ndiswrapper)?highlight=(ManufacturerModel)|(AND)
[17:14] <crazy2be> (niether of them are on the list)
[17:16] <crazy2be> it's like;y because i need internet to download them
[17:16] <crazy2be> and i don't ave it
[17:16] <crazy2be> because i need it to get my interent working
[17:17] <christian> u looking for ndiswrapper?
[17:17] <crazy2be> yeah
[17:18] <christian> it is ins sinaptyc
[17:18] <crazy2be> no
[17:18] <crazy2be> it's not in th list
[17:19] <crazy2be> because it's supposed to be installed from the interente
[17:19] <crazy2be> but i don't have internet
[17:19] <crazy2be> because i have to install it first
[17:20] <crazy2be> i got the .tar.gz
[17:20] <crazy2be> from the website
[17:20] <crazy2be> and copied it over to that computer via a USB
[17:20] <crazy2be> but i don't know what to do with the files in there
[17:22] <crazy2be> warx teh exez???
[17:31] <sinbox> ouch, try and look if you can find a .deb file rather than the source one crazy2be otherwise you will need to build it, do you have build-essentials on your machine?
[17:31] <sinbox> if not I suggest connecting it to the net with a good old cat5 cable for a while
[17:32] <Nazu> Hello, I kind of need help again >__<
[17:33] <crazy2be> you do?
[17:33] <RNGibberish> Xubuntu is telling me to run chkdsk /f and reboot twice, will this have any effect on the data I currently have stored?
[17:33] <crazy2be> only if it is corrupted
[17:34] <RNGibberish> I don't think it's corrupted, it says something about the cluster size being off, and something about bitmaps
[17:34] <crazy2be> sinbox: i found the packages list
[17:35] <crazy2be> but i can't figure out how to download
[17:35] <RNGibberish> I have an NTFS harddisk, with two partitions, one of them NTFS and the other ext3
[17:35] <crazy2be> ew
[17:35] <crazy2be> NTFS
[17:36] <sinbox> no idea RNGibberish I'm afraid, nice one crazy2be well you are on the internet now, is that on another machine?
[17:36] <RNGibberish> I've only just come across Linux recently, if I could reformat, I would, but I really don't have the ability to
[17:36] <crazy2be> obvioustly
[17:36] <crazy2be> i'm talking to you :P
[17:36] <crazy2be> but on a nother PC
[17:36] <crazy2be> yeah
[17:36] <sinbox> well, the ext3 will be ext3 anyway
[17:36] <RNGibberish> If I could, I would probably reformat both to FAT32
[17:37] <sinbox> well download on the other PC and then use a USB stick to carry the package to the other one crazy2be
[17:37] <sinbox> erm
[17:37] <crazy2be> that's what i'm thinking
[17:37] <sinbox> why fat32?
[17:37] <crazy2be> but i can't find the download
[17:37] <RNGibberish> It's supported equally on Linux and Windows, which I'm attempting to dual boot
[17:37] <crazy2be> i've got
[17:37] <crazy2be> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[17:37] <sinbox> which package is it you need crazy2be (the exact name of the tar.gx you got would help)
[17:38] <crazy2be> but the only d/l link is for the source
[17:38] <crazy2be> uh
[17:38] <crazy2be> it just says
[17:38] <crazy2be> nstall ndiswrapper-common and ndiswrapper-utils, both version 1.8
[17:39] <crazy2be> uh, nvm
[17:41] <sinbox> can't help sorry
[17:41] <sinbox> has the other machine not got an ethernet socket on it?  if yes use that
[17:43] <crazy2be> i found the d/l links
[17:43] <crazy2be> that's why i said nvm :P
[17:43] <crazy2be> now to go and find the driver CD lol
[17:43] <sinbox> oki good luck and have fun with ./configure make checkinstall   ;-)
[17:44] <sinbox> btw build-essential should be on the CD if you need to install (you can always add the CD in your repository list on the other machine and use that to install stuff you know)
[17:45]  * sinbox is off to the shops
[17:46] <crazy2be> lol
[17:46] <crazy2be> i have n oidea what you just said
[17:46] <crazy2be> and i thought you left for the shops a while ago
[17:46] <crazy2be> :P
[17:46]  * crazy2be is off to breackfast
[17:49] <sinbox> breakfast at 17:46?  wow
[17:51] <crazy2be> heh
[17:51] <crazy2be> not *quite* that late here
[17:51] <crazy2be> but still late
[17:52] <crazy2be> back to breakfast!
[17:56] <azi_> i've installed xubuntu and i'm trying to install aduacious which is not in the synaptic repository, what can i do to get it installeD?
[17:58] <crazy2be> uh
[17:58] <crazy2be> applications>system>add/remove?
[18:06] <crazy2be> lol
[18:06] <crazy2be> back FROM breakfast
[18:06] <crazy2be> now to mess around with this *#@
[18:12] <crazy2be> oh wow
[18:12] <crazy2be> some of the devices actually have official Linux supposrt
[18:12] <crazy2be> and many have source released under the GPL
[18:26] <blndr08> hey all i can't get my menu bar to show up - can someone help me? :)
[18:30] <blndr08> anyone?
[18:30] <crazy2be> nope
[18:30] <crazy2be> nobody
[18:31] <blndr08> lol was that sarcastic?
[18:31] <crazy2be> not possible!
[18:32] <crazy2be> i'm annoyed
[18:32] <blndr08> by what
[18:32] <crazy2be> my system crashed after i had just done something
[18:33] <crazy2be> that i hadn't made permenant
[18:33] <crazy2be> yet
[18:33] <blndr08> that sucks
[18:33] <crazy2be> anywat
[18:33] <blndr08> i know what that's like
[18:33] <crazy2be> what's this problem of urs?
[18:33] <blndr08> my menu bar doesn't show up
[18:34] <blndr08> i had to set it to right click so i could get to my apps and stuff
[18:34] <blndr08> is there a way to get it back?
[18:34] <crazy2be> menu bar at the top, you mean?
[18:34] <blndr08> yeah
[18:35] <crazy2be> maybe a setting in appearance?
[18:36] <blndr08> do you mean like desktop prefs?  haha sorry im a total noob to ubuntu
[18:38] <crazy2be> so am i ;)
[18:38] <crazy2be> uh
[18:38] <crazy2be> no idea
[18:38] <crazy2be> google
[18:39] <crazy2be> GOOGLE
[18:39] <crazy2be> it knows where you live
[18:39] <blndr08> haha
[18:39] <crazy2be> u laugh
[18:39] <blndr08> i'm trying something out i'll let ya know if it works
[18:39] <crazy2be> but it does
[18:39] <blndr08> yeah it does :D
[18:39] <crazy2be> also
[18:39] <crazy2be> magnets are fun
[18:39] <crazy2be> especially with CRT motitors
[18:40] <crazy2be> *cackle*
[18:43] <blndr08> hmm damn it didn't work
[18:43] <blndr08> how do you get to the appearance panel?
[18:45] <crazy2be> uh
[18:46] <crazy2be> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800112
[18:47] <crazy2be> GOOGLE
[18:48] <crazy2be> :/
[18:48] <crazy2be> my xubuntu crashed again
[18:48] <blndr08> hahahaha that worked thanks
[18:48] <crazy2be> whenever i try to connect to a network
[18:49] <crazy2be> it crashes :/
[18:49] <crazy2be> and your welcome
[19:16] <rngibberish> Okay, it will now allow me to resize the NTFS partition, but it wont complete the resizing, I don't know why
[19:16] <crazy2be> :?
[19:18] <crazy2be> why would uyou have w00t as ur nicK???
[19:18] <rngibberish> Xubuntu, it will allow me to resize the NTFS partition, but when it actually goes to do it, it wont complete
[19:18] <w00t> why would you care?
[19:18] <crazy2be> lol
[19:18] <TheSheep> rngibberish: any messages?
[19:19] <crazy2be> i assum you are using Gpart?
[19:19] <w00t> its a double entendre based on my music pen name, "wonderful loot"
[19:19] <crazy2be> W00t: i'm just buggin you
[19:20] <crazy2be> i want a nick that awesome
[19:20] <rngibberish> TheSheep: ...Goddamnit I forgot, brb, attemping to resize NTFS partition again
[19:21] <w00t> hehe
[19:21] <w00t> merry holidays crazy2be
[19:21] <crazy2be> lol
[19:21] <w00t> it can be a bit of a highlight whore in certain chans
[19:22] <crazy2be> a cross between "merry christmas" and "happy hollidays"?
[19:22] <w00t> LOL
[19:23] <crazy2be> lololololololol?
[19:24] <crazy2be> w00t! i love choclate!
[19:25]  * w00t groans
[19:25] <w00t> :P
[19:25] <crazy2be> heh
[19:25] <crazy2be> how did you get that nicK???
[19:25] <TheSheep> guys, did you know that there is an excellent #xubuntu-offtopic channel? :)
[19:25] <crazy2be> really??
[19:31] <w00t> no need TheSheep, im just lurking
[19:59] <Nazu> Okay, now I have the messages Gpart returned
[19:59] <TheSheep> Nazu: shoot
[20:00] <Nazu> Shrink Filesystem > Real resize > ntfsresize -p --force --force /dev/sda1 -s 33723615743
[20:01] <Nazu> Grow file system to fill the partition > real resize > ntfsresize -P --force /dev/sda1
[20:01] <Nazu> That's all Gpart gave me
[20:02] <TheSheep> no error message?
[20:02] <TheSheep> not even in terminal?
[20:02] <crazy2be> press the little arrows
[20:02] <crazy2be> and they expand
[20:02] <Nazu> I did, that's what came up
[20:03] <crazy2be> press them again
[20:03] <RurouniJones> Mwahahaha, managed to get a little old lady up and running with Xubuntu...in a language I don't even speak
[20:03] <crazy2be> ...
[20:03] <crazy2be> why the evil cackle?
[20:03] <Nazu> The arrows I show there are what comes out when I expand them
[20:03] <RurouniJones> Because I am naturalyl inclined towards evil
[20:04] <crazy2be> Nazu: there should be arrows on thoose things
[20:04] <crazy2be> or just try clicking them
[20:04] <Nazu> I did click them :/
[20:04] <crazy2be> to give you the actual console output
[20:07] <Nazu> Blehhh, the thing is, I have to do this over and over again, the LiveCD wont allow me to run two programs at once :X
[20:09] <crazy2be> the gpart live CD?
[20:10] <crazy2be> boot with the VESA driver then
[20:10] <Nazu> Nay, Xubuntu liveCD
[20:10] <crazy2be> it has a window system
[20:10] <crazy2be> what?
[20:10] <crazy2be> Xubuntu only allows one program on live CD??
[20:11] <Nazu> If I open another one, the last one closes
[20:11] <crazy2be> 0o
[20:14] <Nazu> So, what do I do to get the terminal message?
[20:15] <crazy2be> you should just be able to expand it again
[20:15] <crazy2be> like, that thing oy ugave us
[20:16] <Nazu> Hm, I'll have a loo then, brb, putting the liveCD in
[20:39] <ilmob> hi everyone!
[20:40] <crazy2be> HELLOOO!!!!11111
[20:41] <ilmob> I am new to linux and xubuntu :-/ I have a problem I was wondering if someone here would be able to help... I am hopeless. lol I don't know if this is the right place for help chat though. Is this the right place?
[20:42] <TheSheep> !ask | ilmob
[20:48] <ilmob> ok thanks. sorry I'm a total noob. :-/ I have an old laptop without an ethernet port so I cannot connect the computer directly to the internet. I have a wireless PCMCIA card and a wireless network set up. the card is a d-link DWL-650. I have never used linux before in my life so I have no idea how to install the card, change the settings and get it working. :( I tried going through the forums but it's all greek to me. is th
[20:52] <TheSheep> !wifi
[20:52] <TheSheep> ilmob: I don't really have much experience with wifi, but that page should be helpful
[20:56] <ilmob> thanks TheSheep I tried going through this but all the menus are different. For instance I don't have a menu that says System-->Administration-->Networking
[20:56] <ilmob> like they show in the screen caps
[20:56] <ilmob> when I click on the xubuntu link it doesn't have any documentation :(
[20:59] <valtemar> have problems trying to share files between xubuntu 8.04 and win xp using samba. more here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1020569
[21:00] <valtemar> in absolute beginner talk, of course
[21:00] <ilmob> is this for file sharing or getting on the iternet?
[21:00] <valtemar> file sharing
[21:01] <ilmob> oh :( ok
[21:02] <ilmob> sorry I got confused and mildly excited for a sec lol anybody have an answer to the internet question? I'm completely new, linux stupid, I want to learn but the documentation literally makes no sense. if anyone is kind enough to walk me though it it would be greatly appriciated.
[21:04] <valtemar> i just got in. what's your problem?
[21:04] <ilmob> thanks valtemar. I'll repost just a sec
[21:04] <ilmob> ok thanks. sorry I'm a total noob. :-/ I have an old laptop without an ethernet port so I cannot connect the computer directly to the internet. I have a wireless PCMCIA card and a wireless network set up. the card is a d-link DWL-650. I have never used linux before in my life so I have no idea how to install the card, change the settings and get it working. :( I tried going through the forums but it's all greek to me. is th
[21:05] <ilmob> so TheSheep gave me what looks like a great resource but for ubuntu because I don't have any of the menus in the tutorial
[21:05] <crazy2be> yeah
[21:05] <crazy2be> but they are just in Programs>System
[21:05] <crazy2be> usussally
[21:06] <valtemar> you got the link TheSheep gave you?
[21:06] <ilmob> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:09] <ilmob> sorry I'm so dumb with this I'm a first timer. getting it ON the laptop was a task and a half. It's on a sony vaio pcg-c1vp lol tiny laptop old as hell but I think once it works it'll be so sweet. excellent for travel and since it's so old if something happens to it, it's not the end of the world lol but getting it set up is insane. I could not go on with windows ME though. heh.
[21:10] <valtemar> you say you have a wireless network set up. you got an adsl wlan modem or what?
[21:11] <ilmob> I have a cable modem
[21:11] <ilmob> and it's set up with a router and all that
[21:14] <valtemar> are you familiar with the documentation in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/internet/C/wireless.html
[21:16] <ilmob> yeah but I can't get to any of those options because they're all greyed out also I think the dlink card has to be installed somehow similar to when you would connected it to windows and install drivers but I have no idea how to even start
[21:18] <ilmob> I also don't have a 'network manager' icon in my list. I'm in appfinder and in network and I see connections, general, dns, hosts but everything is greyed out and I cannot select anything. tired unlocking entered my password and still nothing all options still greyed  out
[21:21] <ilmob> oh sorry I have it now, the buttons didn't change. I'm having some graphical issues too but I figure I'll fix that after I get the internet up. again sorry I'm so dumb with this
[22:08] <ilmob> hm I seem to be hitting a wall I'm troubleshooting the network connection and I typed in cat /etc/resolv.conf and I just get no such file or directory
[22:09] <TheSheep> ilmob: your dhcp client should create one when it receives answer from your router
[22:11] <ilmob> I have no idea what that means... does that mean in short I have a DNS issue?
[22:11] <TheSheep> ilmob: not necessarily, dns needs working network before it can work
[22:12] <TheSheep> ilmob: so it can be something lower level
[22:12] <TheSheep> ilmob: does iwconfig show your card?
[22:14] <ilmob> I think so. next to wlan0 it shows ieee 802.11b essid linksys which is the card I have
[22:14] <ilmob> oh no wait
[22:15] <ilmob> it isn't i have no idea what linksys is. I have a dlink and an SMC gateway
[22:15] <TheSheep> linksys is probably the name of the network you connected to
[22:15] <TheSheep> does ifconfig show it too
[22:16] <ilmob> weird
[22:16] <TheSheep> does it show it with an ip address?
[22:16] <ilmob> in the settings I connected it to my network which which is named as ilmob for now
[22:17] <ilmob> ok I ran ifconfig where would I see that? I see nothing in the ouput that says linksys :-/
[22:18] <TheSheep> it should say wlan0 somewhere
[22:19] <ilmob> there are 2
[22:19] <ilmob> and I don't see linsys in either
[22:19] <ilmob> linksys*
[22:20] <TheSheep> any of them has an ip address?
[22:21] <ilmob> I have 2
[22:21] <ilmob> under lo and one under 1lan0
[22:21] <ilmob> er wlan0*
[22:21] <TheSheep> what is the one under wlan0?
[22:22] <ilmob> 169.254.7.143
[22:22] <TheSheep> that's an automatic ip address that gets set when no dhcp responses are received
[22:23] <TheSheep> either check your dhcp server (on your router probably) or set static ip
[22:25] <ilmob> ... ok I have no idea how to do that. should I got to my ISP to troubleshoot the DHCP server?
[22:25] <TheSheep> ilmob: I think the device that provides wireless network in your home should have a dhcp server build in
[22:28] <ilmob> ok. well I know that it must be working properly I have the desktop where the internet is working and I also have another windows laptop that I'm working on now without any issue. if the DHCP server had an issue this laptop that I'm using now wouldn't work right?
[22:32] <TheSheep> ilmob: maybe the dhcp server is set up to only answer those two computers?
[22:34] <ilmob> hm ok I'll call the ISP and ask how to look at this DHCP stuff. I don't know how to see it.
[22:34] <ilmob> I'll try that thanks
[22:36] <TheSheep> it may be that you're not receiving a reply because you tried connecting to the wrong network
[22:36] <TheSheep> are you using network manager?
[22:36] <TheSheep> the small icon of two computers next to the clock...
[22:42] <ilmob> I don't have any computers next to the clock
[22:43] <ilmob> I'm just in network settings using
[22:44] <ilmob> how would I do the release and renew thing that you do in windows in linux?
[22:44] <ilmob> you know how like you can release and renew an IP?
[22:47] <ilmob> I tried doing ifconfig eth0 down and I get device not found
[22:49] <TheSheep> it's wlan0
[22:49] <ilmob> when I type dhclient eth0 I get permission denied
[22:49] <ilmob> ohhh
[22:49] <ilmob> oops
[22:49] <ilmob> thanks :)
[22:49] <TheSheep> try running nm-applet
[22:53] <ilmob> ok so when i run dhclient wlan0 I get wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801. running nm-applet now. thanks for all your help again btw
[22:53] <TheSheep> I'm not really too helpful, I'm not good with this
[22:53] <ilmob> better than me lol
[22:54] <ilmob> is it normal for nm-applet to hang there without doing anything for a while?
[22:55] <Maxwell2342> PROBLEM: My computer was working fine for months, then all of the sudden the screen, when set to 1024x768@60 (that is to what I had it set) went all shaky.  The problem ceases if I change the resolution, but then my screen doesn't fit and text is difficult to read.  The screen remains shaky whenever I have the resolution set to 1024x768@60.
[22:56] <Maxwell2342> Any suggestions? :(!?
[22:56] <Maxwell2342> I'm running the latest version of Xubuntu, btw.
[22:56] <TheSheep> Maxwell2342: what's your monitor?
[22:59] <Maxwell2342> DAYTEK something.
[23:02] <TheSheep> Maxwell2342: lcd or crt?
[23:03] <Maxwell2342> LCD.
[23:03] <TheSheep> and the lcd is shaky?
[23:04] <TheSheep> I can't imagine that
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> The screen shakes, yes.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> Nor can I.
[23:04] <TheSheep> check your cable
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> If I set the resolution to higher/lower, it is fine.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> It's obviously a Xubuntu problem.
[23:04] <Maxwell2342> It's just on my actual resolution that it fucks up.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> And it was working fine before.
[23:05] <TheSheep> you can also try auto-adjust
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> (and I didn't do anything weird with the display or anything)
[23:05] <TheSheep> in the monitor
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> How do I do that?
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Oh.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Well, no.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> Okay, I shall try that.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> But I'm sure it shan't work.
[23:05] <Maxwell2342> One moment...
[23:06] <Maxwell2342> It didn't.
[23:06] <Maxwell2342> And even when I am in the shaky setting, if I go into the monitor's actual settings, there is no shaking.
[23:07] <Maxwell2342> It's Xubuntu that is shaking, or rather xfce, not the monitor.
[23:07] <TheSheep> no idea what could be causing that
[23:09] <sikun> i have a hp pavilion laptop.. it runs hot just doing simple things, i was just playing a mp3 and it jumped up to 80 C, i've cleaned out the heatsink, i have it elevated off the table for more air flow and it still runs hot...
[23:10] <Maxwell2342> Sikun: have you tried using it outside?
[23:10] <Maxwell2342> Fuck.
[23:10] <TheSheep> sikun: check top and powertop (the latter might need installing first)
[23:10] <TheSheep> !language | Maxwell2342
[23:11] <sikun> i've done that too.. anything that really needs cpu time is what makes the cpu jump in temp.. IE.. like firefox w/ a flash site
[23:11] <TheSheep> that's normal, but it should only do it for a short while
[23:14] <ilmob> hm ok so running nm-applet didn't do anything it just hung there
[23:14] <TheSheep> ilmob: you can click on it and select the network to connect to...
[23:15] <ilmob> click on it from where? in the terminal don't I just type nm-applet?
[23:16] <sikun> TheSheep, what should i be looking for in powertop? i have never used this program before
[23:17] <TheSheep> sikun: it works like top, only shows the list of programs that couse most cpu wakeups (that translate to heat) instead of just cpu usage
[23:17] <TheSheep> cause*
[23:17] <sikun> ah
[23:18] <sikun> firefox is on the top of the list.. along w/ the usb mouse i'm using
[23:18] <ilmob> ok so here is what I did, I went to Xfce4 Appfinder and selected network, then under connections I deselected enable roaming mode to allow me to enter the network name which I was able to find in the dropdown (also worth noting it saus 0% which can't be right because I'm like 5 ft from the router) I entered wpa personal because that's the encryption type, entered the password and under configuration I selected automatic con
[23:19] <TheSheep> ilmob: to use nm-applet you need romaing mode enabled
[23:19] <ilmob> how do i get to nm-applet
[23:19] <ilmob> do i type it in the terminal?
[23:19] <TheSheep> yeah
[23:20] <TheSheep> it should autostart, btw
[23:20] <ilmob> it's not doing anything
[23:20] <ilmob> the terminal just hangs there
[23:21] <ilmob> like will the computer automatically restart or nm-applet will just start?
[23:23] <TheSheep> ilmob: it shows that two-computers icon next to the clock
[23:23] <TheSheep> you can then click on it
[23:23] <TheSheep> and select the icon
[23:23] <TheSheep> select the network
[23:23] <TheSheep> sorry
[23:23] <ilmob> ohhhhhh! ok lol
[23:24] <ilmob> hm weird
[23:24] <ilmob> it won't let me enter a WPA passphrase only WEP is that normal?
[23:25] <TheSheep> no idea
[23:25] <knome> ilmob, do you have wpa_supplicant installed?
[23:26] <ilmob> dunno how do I find out?
[23:26]  * TheSheep goes to sleep
[23:26] <TheSheep> good luck guys
[23:26] <ilmob> thanks for helping TheSheep you got me to a good spot where I understand things better now lol
[23:26] <ilmob> much appriciated
[23:29] <ilmob> knome: how would I find out? I am uber noob
[23:31] <knome> ilmob, 'sudo apt-get install wpa_supplicant' in a terminal
[23:31] <ilmob> ohhhh what if i'm not connected to the internet?
[23:32] <ilmob> hmmm maybe I can get myself connected with WEP for now. thanks I'll try that!
[23:33] <knome> hmm
[23:33] <knome> wpasupplicant
[23:33] <knome> is the correct one
[23:34] <ilmob> hm it says wpasupplicant is already the newest version
[23:38] <knome> ok so you have it installed..
[23:43] <ilmob> ok so I opened up my network without any encryption, used nm-applet to select my network no encryption and roaming is enabled
[23:46] <ilmob> I've been at this for 4 hours :'( help please
[23:49] <knome> !wifi
[23:50] <ilmob> I went through all of that
[23:50] <knome> yes, i was just checking.
[23:50] <ilmob> I didn't get anywhere :'(
[23:50] <knome> what is your wireless card?
[23:50] <ilmob> no worries
[23:51] <ilmob> d-link DWL-650
[23:51] <knome> a pcmcia card?
[23:52] <ilmob> ohh yeah yup
[23:52] <ilmob> I don't have an ethernet port on the laptop
[23:52] <knome> 'lsmod | grep orinoco' what says?
[23:54] <ilmob> do i type that into the terminal?
[23:54] <knome> yes
[23:56] <knome> !ndiswrapper
[23:56] <knome> meh
[23:57] <ilmob> how do I type that in? nothing seems to be happening. do I type it exactly as you have it there with the | character and everything
[23:57] <knome> yes
[23:57] <knome> if it outputs nothing, it's ok as well.
[23:58] <ilmob> says command not found
[23:58] <knome> o.O
[23:58] <ilmob>  do I type in the '
[23:58] <knome> ah nope!
[23:59] <knome> without 's
[23:59] <ilmob> ahhh ok lol what do you need to know I did get an output
[23:59] <knome> ok, sounds like ubuntu has loaded wrong drivers
[23:59] <knome> or i'm not sure
[23:59] <knome> what does 'lspci | grep DWL' say?