[03:34] <LaserJock> what's the best channel for debugging? #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu ?
[04:16] <RAOF> LaserJock: Probably #ubuntu-bugs; higher signal/noise.  Also, merry Christmas.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> merry christmas all / <insert other holiday greetings here>
[07:19] <NCommander> Thanks Hobbsee
[07:22] <Hobbsee> anything interesting happening?
[07:24] <pwnguin> kernel .28 is officially released
[07:24] <NCommander> Hobbsee, I have kdebase-workspace building on ARM?
[07:25] <Hobbsee> oh, score!
[07:25] <Hobbsee> does it actually build?
[07:25] <NCommander> Its building debs at the moment
[07:25] <NCommander> the actual source bit built fine
[07:26] <Riddell> yay
[07:29] <NCommander> Riddell, if you feel like sponsoring :-)?
[09:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Should a build-depends "liba-dev | libb-dev" cause "apt-get build-dep source-package" to succeed if libb-dev is installed? Currently I'm seeing "Package liba-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package". Deb Policy 7.1 says an OR (|) should be satisfied by either. (package mythtv, liblame-dev failing - not present since hardy)
[09:44] <persia> IntuitiveNipple, It should indeed succeed, although it may be that the specific algorithm used by apt-get build-depends would benefit from checking.
[09:45] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... I've never seen this before... annoying, as all I need is to install the -dev packages so I can test a new mythtv package I've created with pulseaudio support!
[09:46] <IntuitiveNipple> Do you think editing the current control file in /var/dpkg/whereever would 'hack' it
[09:47] <persia> Just don't use apt-get build-dep to do it.  Just install things manually.
[09:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I know... the long-winded way I was trying to avoid!
[09:48] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm modifying the new package control file to fix this
[09:48] <persia> Or use pbuilder or sbuild :)
[09:48] <persia> Doesn't matter.  apt-get build-dep depends on the current apt cache, rather than on the contents of the files.
[09:48] <IntuitiveNipple> I would but, I'm not on the development PC, I'm on the home theatre projector system
[09:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Ahhh, so I shan't hack that now, it'll mess this PC up
[09:49] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks
[11:14] <cjwatson> anyone know whether these new packages should be synced from Debian? kbfx kde-style-comix kde-style-domino kde-style-klearlook kde-style-lipstik kde-style-polyester kde-style-serenity kdmtheme kwin-decor-suse2 kwin-style-dekorator kwin-style-knifty kwin-style-powder tastymenu
[11:15] <cjwatson> normally I'd just do it but I know we have active KDE packaging work ...
[11:16]  * Hobbsee wonders if those are kde3 or kde4 bits
[11:17] <StevenK> That can probably be determined with grep-dctrl
[11:17] <StevenK> I'd look if I wasn't about to get pulled back into family card games
[11:17] <cjwatson> we're about to go and open presents, so I'll be on and off
[11:18] <StevenK> Hmm. At 11am? Bit late, isn't it?
[11:18] <StevenK> :-P
[11:18] <cjwatson> midnight mass => late rising
[11:18] <StevenK> Fair point :-)
[11:24] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: all seem to be KDE3, at least judging from the kdelibs4* dependencies
[11:24] <cjwatson> so I'll not worry too much about them
[11:24] <cjwatson> (unless I should)
[11:28] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: i don't think so
[11:29] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: from what I understand, we don't distribute kde3 itself anymore, only (some) of the apps.
[11:29] <Hobbsee> so the windecos definetly shouldn't be needed.
[11:30] <StevenK> Which are getting removal bugs filed on them left, right and centre?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> i've not tracked that closely, tbh
[17:39] <rudchenkos> Hi there
[17:40] <rudchenkos> I have patch for LP#292536, could anyone help me to check it in?
[17:41] <rudchenkos> doh, it's Christmas :)
[17:45] <Nafallo> http://isitchristmas.com/
[17:49] <rudchenkos> :)
[17:50] <LaserJock> rudchenkos: you can attach the patch to the bug report
[17:50] <rudchenkos> LaserJock: yep, done
[17:50] <rudchenkos> LaserJock: nothing more is necessary? it's really tiny
[17:51] <LaserJock> bug #292536
[17:57] <LaserJock> rudchenkos: that bug needs to be against the right package
[17:58] <LaserJock> I guess gnome-applets
[17:59] <rudchenkos> LaserJock: ok, I'm editing the bug
[17:59] <rudchenkos> sure
[17:59] <rudchenkos> what status should I assign now?
[17:59] <rudchenkos> assign to me?
[17:59] <LaserJock> Confirmed or Triaged
[17:59] <LaserJock> well, you've done your part, you don't need to be assigned
[18:00] <nhandler> Confirmed would probably be better, since it already has a patch
[18:00] <LaserJock> not Triaged?
[18:01] <nhandler> LaserJock: Triaged is for bugs that have all of the information needed for a Developer to prepare a patch. This bug already has a patch, it just needs to be sponsored
[18:01] <LaserJock> rudchenkos: you can then subscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors team so they know
[18:01] <nhandler> For bugs with a patch that need to be sponsored, you should set it to Confirmed
[18:01] <LaserJock> nhandler: hmm, that seems sort of counter-intuitive
[18:01] <nhandler> LaserJock: In what way?
[18:02] <LaserJock> Triaged seems like "this is ready for action"
[18:02] <LaserJock> and higher in hierarchy than Confirmed
[18:03]  * rudchenkos looks at LaserJock and nhandler :)
[18:04] <rudchenkos> oh, that's easy: there is no "Triaged" choice
[18:04] <nhandler> LaserJock: The issue is, only people in Bug Control can set a status of Triaged
[18:04] <LaserJock> rudchenkos: I'll defer to nhandler as he's new hotness ;-)
[18:04] <LaserJock> nhandler: which I consider a bug
[18:04] <nhandler> LaserJock: Personally, so do I. But you'll need to take that up with the Launchpad devs
[18:09] <rudchenkos> if somebody wants to try: https://launchpad.net/~sergey.rudchenko/+archive
[18:10] <nhandler> Could someone help me hunt down a package in Deiban? The Ubuntu changelog says that it came from Debian unstable. However, rmadison showed no output for the package in Debian, packages.debian.org couldn't find it, and there was no PTS page. Even stranger, it was not listed as being removed in the removal list.
[18:10] <LaserJock> nhandler: what package?
[18:10] <nhandler> LaserJock: kreetingkard
[18:11] <nhandler> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kreetingkard
[18:11] <LaserJock> good grief, can those people *not* use "k" once in a while ;-)
[18:11] <Nafallo> haha
[18:13] <LaserJock> nhandler: my guess is that it's not from Debian, but rather just imported from somewhere else (kde-apps.org perhaps?)
[18:14] <nhandler> LaserJock: That is what I was thinking, but the changelog entries say 'unstable'. I didn't think we could sync from places other than Debian
[18:15] <crimsun> the distribution field is nondefinitive for non-canonical (Debian/Ubuntu) source packages.
[18:15] <LaserJock> exactly
[18:15] <LaserJock> nhandler: it just means somebody put "unstable" as the target, it doesn't mean it actually came from Debian
[18:16] <nhandler> But then what about the version number? Shouldn't it have a Debian revision of 0?
[18:16] <crimsun> not everyone uses proper/accepted versioning practices
[18:17] <LaserJock> also we may have imported it with the version that the source had
[18:17] <LaserJock> it was done for dapper so it could have been at a time when we were grabbing packages from other sources
[18:21] <kolby> does anyone here know how to use libxml2 ?
[18:23] <kolby> What function do I use to convert a char to a xmlChar ?
[18:23] <NCommander> nhandler, if the package was removed in Debian before Dapper, rmadison won't know about it
[18:23] <NCommander> (or, should I say, removed from stable w/ sarge)
[19:09] <Chipzz> ~..
[20:14] <directhex> hm. who do i file a bug against if i can't connect to the father in law's wifi under intrepid, but it works under vista (and my home wifi works)
[20:15] <ion_> The father in law.
[20:20] <cpufreak> D
[21:31] <cjwatson> kolby: xmlChar is just a typedef to unsigned char, so if it's just a single character then you could just cast it; if it's a string then you might want to look at functions like xmlCharStrdup in xmlstring.h, but it rather depends on what you're doing ...
[21:32] <cjwatson> kolby: (I don't actually know libxml2 especially well myself - just looking at the header files)
[21:33] <kolby> thank you
[21:34] <kolby> cjwatson, That helped a lot.
[21:45] <kolby> what's an easy networking library for starters?  Maybe libcurl?
[21:48] <ebroder> Depends on what you're trying to do. The easy interface for libcurl is pretty straightforward
[23:13] <directhex> i ought to try connecting with the wife's laptop. diff chip - would isolate a driver issue