[00:10] <Adri2000> requestsync is crazy
[00:10] <nhandler> Adri2000: Crazy good or Crazy bad?
[00:10] <Adri2000> bad
[00:11] <Adri2000> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ngircd
[00:11] <nhandler> Why?
[00:11] <Adri2000> using --lp, it opened 5 bugs
[00:11] <Adri2000> and I had to stop it (Ctrl+C)
[00:11] <nhandler> Did you cancle it in the middle and run it again?
[00:12] <Adri2000> no, I just ran it once
[00:12] <nhandler> Well, I've never had that issue. I'll take care of cleaning up the bugs
[00:13] <Adri2000> no, don't worry, will do :)
[00:14] <Adri2000> if you want to take a look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/92477/
[00:14] <Laney> Adri2000: I had that too
[00:14] <Laney> I guess the LP API changed or something
[00:15] <Adri2000> nhandler: argh, looks like it's already done, thanks :)
[00:15] <Adri2000> Laney: perhaps, will file a bug against u-d-t if there isn't one already
[00:15] <Laney> I was looking into it but didn't get anywhere
[00:15] <Laney> a bug would be good
[00:17] <nhandler> Adri2000: What is already done?
[00:17] <Adri2000> cleaning up :)
[00:17] <nhandler> Yeah, I just marked them all as duplicated
[00:17] <nhandler> s/duplicated/duplicates/
[00:18] <Adri2000> oh, and, I just noticed, but they are all 'new' and ubuntu-archive is not subscribed
[00:19] <Adri2000> that's probably due to the fact that I aborted the program while it was still running
[00:20] <nhandler> Adri2000: Probably. Changing the status and subscribing ubuntu-archive is the last step
[00:33] <Adri2000> bug #311289 fyi
[00:38] <Adri2000> now I think I'll return to using the good old email :p
[00:52] <LaserJock> so Kmos is back?
[01:18] <Adri2000> LaserJock: where?
[01:20] <LaserJock> Adri2000: he left about 1/2 hour ago
[01:22] <Adri2000> ah, indeed
[05:24] <therealnanotube> hey... so, i notice that the jaunty package (as seen on packages.ubuntu.com) for wicd is 1.5.2. the debian package is 1.5.7: http://packages.debian.org/sid/wicd
[05:24] <therealnanotube> any chance of it getting into jaunty before the debian import freeze?
[05:24] <therealnanotube> not sure if this is the right channel to ask... please direct me if it's not.
[05:25] <AnAnt> I think you can submit a sync request
[05:25] <therealnanotube> AnAnt: to where?
[05:25] <AnAnt> therealnanotube: are you using ubuntu now ?
[05:26] <therealnanotube> yea, intrepid
[05:26] <AnAnt> therealnanotube: there is a utility called requestsync
[05:26] <therealnanotube> ah, ok... let's see... sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools
[05:26] <persia> wicd |    1.5.7-1 | jaunty/universe | source, all
[05:27] <AnAnt> persia: how are you ?
[05:27] <persia> packages.ubuntu.com is often a few days out of date.
[05:27] <AnAnt> persia: can I ask a favor ?
[05:27] <persia> AnAnt, Reasonably well, and you?
[05:27] <persia> What's that?
[05:27] <AnAnt> persia: I'm fine
[05:27] <AnAnt> persia: I made my first python software package
[05:27] <therealnanotube> persia: so where do you get the latest info, if not on packages.ubuntu.com?
[05:27] <AnAnt> persia: I need someone to review wether I did they python stuff correctly or not
[05:27] <persia> therealnanotube, I use rmadison.  launchpad is also a good source.
[05:28] <AnAnt> persia: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=thwab
[05:28] <AnAnt> I've been asking for a review since 2 days
[05:28] <persia> AnAnt, I'm the last person you want to review if the python packaging is correct.  My limited experience with python packages usually involves doing it intentionally wrong to work around things.
[05:28] <therealnanotube> persia: could i ask you to give me a link to the launchpad page where i can look at that stuff?
[05:28] <persia> therealnanotube, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wicd
[05:29] <AnAnt> man ! I thought Ubuntu guys where python addicts !
[05:29] <persia> Many are.  Just not me.
[05:29] <therealnanotube> persia: aha, ok, thanks :)
[06:27] <artfwo> hi, may I ask which package version number would be higher according to debian version comparison rules - 1.2 or 1.2.0?
[06:35] <persia> dpkg --compare-versions 1.2 gt 1.2.0 && echo TRUE || echo FALSE
[06:35] <persia> (FALSE)
[06:37] <artfwo> wow, so simple! thanks
[07:02] <ScottK> jdong or Mez: My membership in Ubuntu Backporters is about to expire.  I'd appreciate it if one of you would fix it so that didn't happen.  Thans.
[07:04] <NCommander> Hey ScottK
[07:18] <Hobbsee> merry christmas all / <insert other holiday greetings here>
[07:22] <Jpdota> i asked this question in #ubuntu-java but nobody seems to be there, so i'll ask here.  i'm trying to package a java program i'm writing for ubuntu and i wanted to know if anyone knows how to properly handle the classpath for the program's jarfile?  it has two other libraries it needs
[07:27] <YokoZar> Jpdota: I'd try looking at another java program package source and see how it does it
[07:27] <Jpdota> YokoZar: i have, i've looked at tomcat, eclipse, and openoffice :P  it didn't help much
[07:33] <NCommander> YokoZar, you might want to try #debian-java on irc.oftc.net; Debian java and Ubuntu java are the same in this respect unless I'm greatly mistaken
[07:33] <YokoZar> Jpdota: NCommander meant that towards you ;)
[07:34] <NCommander> oops, yes :-P
[07:35] <Jpdota> NCommander: ah good point thanks for the heads up :P  sometimes i don't think outside the box too well, despite reading Debian wiki's on it all day :P
[07:35] <NCommander> Jpdota, also might want to try the Debian Java Packaging Guide
[07:36] <Jpdota> NCommander: Yeah, I checked that out it was a bit of a mess, seemed to be a bunch of conflicting ideas about how it SHOULD be done, but no actual implementations :(
[07:37] <Hobbsee> Jpdota: oh, and you might ask on a day that isn't a major holiday for a lot of places, too
[07:37] <Jpdota> Hobbsee: yes that would probably help :)
[07:37] <NCommander> Hobbsee, what's this holiday you speak of :-)
[07:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:38] <Jpdota> Hobbsee: in my room there are no holidays only broken code :P
[07:38] <Hobbsee> NCommander: it's the one that makes all normal, sane people go to the shops, and act crazy :P
[07:38] <Hobbsee> Jpdota: hahah :)
[07:38] <NCommander> Hobbsee, so I guess for the crazies they start acting sane
[07:38] <NCommander> thus your current behavior ;-)
[07:38] <NCommander> *runs
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hah!
[07:38]  * Hobbsee ponders booting NCommander into the middle of next week
[07:39] <NCommander> That would be nice, then I can skip the holidays and start my new job
[07:39] <Hobbsee> or just poking him in the ribs, and watching him fall on the floor again.
[07:39] <NCommander> If I were you, I'd avoid any large sources of water
[07:39] <Jpdota> ;)
[07:40]  * Hobbsee doens't imagine you'd be able to cope with the plane flight, nor swim, so is somewhat safe.
[07:40] <NCommander> You'd be surprised
[07:40]  * NCommander handwaves Hobbsee into a pool
[07:40] <NCommander> bahahahha
[07:41]  * Hobbsee shrugs, staying decidedly dry.
[07:41]  * Hobbsee puts NCommander on /ignore
[07:41] <NCommander> pity, I was going to share my plan for world domination too :-P
[09:33] <ianm_> is there any way to know approx. how many people have installed a package?
[09:34] <ianm_> ohh Popularity Contest
[10:39] <Mez> ScottK - happy to make it non-expiring. Welcome as a permanent member of the team
[11:36] <savvas0> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webpy - Can someone tell me why is it restricted to access the source changes file: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/webpy-0812251227/webpy_0.31-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[11:41] <savvas0> what should we do for new release packages? subscribe the ubuntu motu sponsors to the bug?
[11:48] <Mez> savvas0: as in "there is a new upstream release available?"
[11:49] <savvas0> Mez: no as in I packaged myself the new upstream release :)
[11:49] <savvas0> it's about webpy, I've sent it for review in revu
[11:49] <Mez> savvas0: what package?
[11:50] <savvas0> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=webpy https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webpy/+bug/311225
[11:51] <savvas0> I've made some changes regarding the versioning and added a watch file, I hope it works (still learning packaging hehe)
[11:57] <Mez> savvas0: webpy at the moment is directly inherited from debian (it's synced) is there any specific reason to introduce an ubuntu delta?
[11:59] <savvas0> Mez: the user foobarmus wanted to include his package to ubuntu universe, but it requires compatibility with mod-wsgi, as he explained: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webpy/+question/55344 (comment #2)
[12:01] <savvas0> the debian package rests at 0.300 (reflects webpy 0.30 release) - I'll try contact the package maintainer at debian and ask them to include it in debian first if it's better
[12:01] <Mez> That doesn't seem any reason to introduce ubuntu specific changes though? File a bug against the debian package that there's a new upstream version. The author seems active enough (0.300 was uploaded 2 weeks ago)
[12:01] <Mez> and then once that's there it'll be auto-synced
[12:03] <DktrKranz> savvas0, regarding to 403 error while fetching .changes file, it is for security purposes: a .changes file is signed by the uploader, this could lead to unwanted uploads to the main Ubuntu archives. Reasons could be different, but IMHO that's one of them.
[12:05] <Mez> savvas0: submitting a bug to debian - have added you to CC
[12:06] <savvas0> thanks DktrKranz :)
[12:06] <savvas0> Mez: ok, thank you!
[12:07] <Mez> savvas0: I'll attach that to the bug report in LP too
[12:08] <savvas0> Mez:  so, in the future, for new upstream releases I have to first contact debian, then poke the ubuntu maintainers to sync it?
[12:10] <persia> savvas0, Usually just file a bug in Debian asking for the new upstream, and then file a bug in Ubuntu asking for the sync, with rationale.
[12:10] <persia> There's rarely a need to poke individuals.
[12:10] <Mez> persia: indeed, though that's only if the package is in debian, and has no ubuntu changes.
[12:11] <Mez> persia: it may already be updated in Debian, but have ubuntu changes, which means its a MoM case
[12:11] <persia> Mez, Well, I like to do new upstreams in Debian if the package is in Debian, regardless of whether there are changes.
[12:11] <persia> Whether it's a sync or a merge is a different question, but yes.
[12:11] <Mez> persia: indeed, so do I - which is why i've applied to be a DD :D
[12:11] <savvas0> when's the actual deadline for the new upstream release?
[12:11] <Mez> (and am just waiting for DAM now)
[12:11] <persia> On the other hand, we have better tools to manage merges than sync candidates.
[12:11] <persia> Mez, Congrats!
[12:12] <persia> savvas0, mid-February.
[12:12] <savvas0> ah cool, still have time :)
[12:13] <Mez> persia: lol - yeah - it's a long process, but I'm in the final stem (DAM approves and creates account)
[12:18] <savvas0> thank you for your help!
[12:18] <savvas0> I'll have to go now :)
[12:31] <Laney> murrayc: Hey, you around? I'm all set to upload glom but my candidate seems to crash whenever I create tables. Wondering if you could help me debug a bit?
[12:39] <Laney> Well actually I'd say "exit" instead of "crash" as it seems to cleanly shutdown
[15:02] <nhandler> Are we in Debian Import Freeze now? Or do we still have a few hours to go?
[15:06] <sebner> nhandler: I'm not sure but I think it's the same with other dates. As long as somewhere on earth it's the 25th of december we are not in DIF yet
[15:08] <nhandler> sebner: Don't you mean "As long as somewhre on earth it's the 24th of december"? DIF goes into effect the 25th
[15:09] <sebner> nhandler: right, sry
[15:09] <sebner> nhandler: at least auto-sync run 3 hours ago so it might take a while until DIF starts
[15:10] <Laney> AFAIK the autosyncer is manual anyway
[15:10] <Laney> so it probably won't be run again
[15:11] <nhandler> sebner: Just out of curiosity, where does it say when the auto-sync script last run?
[15:11] <nhandler> bobbo: ping
[15:12] <persia> DIF is different than other freezes: it happens based on the last run of the auto-sync by the archive admins, rather than by announcement by the release team (although there is often also an announcement).
[15:12] <nhandler> bobbo: nm, sorry about the pings
[15:13] <persia> Best strategy is to wait another day or two before filing sync requests, but merge anything that deserves merging (and with lenny not yet released, this is probably everything).
[15:14] <nhandler> persia: So do you think it is ok to 0-day the merges now? Or should we wait until DIF is announced?
[15:19] <persia> nhandler, I'm the wrong person to ask.  I think it's OK to 0-day merges the day the archive opens.
[15:20] <nhandler> persia: Ok. I just know that some people get very angry when people 0-day a merge (when they were not the last person to touch the package) early in the development cycle.
[15:21] <persia> There are a couple packages I care about especially, and when someone else merges them incorrectly, I generally fix it, but I don't find that much extra work as compared to doing it myself the first time.
[15:21] <persia> For the rest of the packages I touch, I consider it a favour when someone else does it.
[15:22] <persia> Yes, some people get snippy.  Some stay snippy even after DIF.  For best results in your argument, I'd recommend waiting until it's not Thursday anywhere on the planet before taking something with a clear one-person history.
[15:22] <persia> If something has a less clear history, or looks like something often handed about, it's less critical to take as much care.
[15:23] <persia> That said, if you need something to be merged to do something else, it's usually fine to take it, so as to avoid blocking your work, and even the most snippy will usually respect that.
[15:24] <persia> If you're just bored and want something to do, UEHS never gets enough attention, and there's always a heap of Ubuntu-local packages that need updating.
[15:28]  * DktrKranz hopes Debian to release soon, or we will be in "low-updates" mode for another cycle!
[15:28] <nhandler> persia: The main reason I was asking was because I just wanted to do a big cleanup of the outstanding merges. It is much easier to do that when you can 0-day them. I haven't forgotten about UEHS though
[15:32] <DktrKranz> nhandler, there are several which needs some care, and brings in some transitions
[15:34] <NCommander> morning persia
[16:43] <xnox> Does anyone use pbuilder-dist with git-builddep?
[16:44] <xnox> git-builddep tries to do --build, where as pbuilder-dist expects simply build
[16:46]  * xnox crashed emacs = irc, mail, terminals and what not
[19:48] <cutout> Hello, am looking for a MOTU to review my JAVA packages
[21:20] <RainCT> Hi
[21:21] <RainCT> Is there some command which takes a normal diff and converts it into a patch for the patch system of choice?
[21:27] <Laney> RainCT: quilt has quilt import
[21:27] <Laney> dunno about others
[21:29] <RainCT> Laney: ah, thanks
[21:29] <RainCT> it's to avoid having to do all the quilt mess why I'm asking :)
[21:29] <Laney> quilt mess?
[21:30] <RainCT> Laney: push -a, new, add, refresh, pop -a
[21:30] <Laney> tbh, you can just do *-edit-patch and then patch -px < ...
[21:30] <Laney> for another system
[21:30] <Laney> RainCT: ah, that
[21:30] <RainCT> I have to look that up each time I use it :P
[21:30] <Laney> import should save you time then
[21:30] <RainCT> (although I think I've only used quilt 2 or 3 times :P)
[21:44] <RainCT> Why do PPAs send mails on successful builds? Emails containing "build of" in the subject are scary :P
[21:46] <RainCT> ah, it says "failed to upload" o.O
[21:46] <RainCT> ah of course
[21:46] <RainCT> Ah no. Anyway, nvm XD
[21:51] <RainCT> seems like they rebuild automatically and now worked o.O
[22:33] <jpds> RainCT: Merry christmas to you too
[22:34] <RainCT> jpds: merry x-mas :)
[22:55] <udienz> anybody please review this package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mod-limitipconn
[22:56] <udienz> referrer https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapache-mod-limitipconn/+bug/145065
[23:53] <Hobbsee> ah yes, DIF.
[23:54] <Hobbsee> nothing on there due to me.  \o/
[23:57] <directhex> how much difference does DIF make to jaunty? sid is pretty useless right now, nothing's been updated since jaunty due to lenny freeze
[23:59] <Hobbsee> that's a good question
[23:59] <Hobbsee> not that much, although there still seems to be some sync requests being filed and such