[00:00] looks like there is different revisions of that card with different chipsets. [00:01] I get no output when i type lspci | grep DWL [00:01] k [00:01] actually what i'm wondering is how to enable wep... [00:02] I currently have a totally open network and still unable to connect and go to the internet [00:02] the computer is seeing that there is a network there [00:02] hmm... [00:02] I don't have an IP [00:02] i'm actually quite weaponless [00:02] have you asked #ubuntu ? [00:02] nope [00:02] i can try there [00:02] is it the same as xubuntu? [00:03] same commands and gui and everything? [00:03] this is not xubuntu specific [00:03] ohh [00:03] ok [00:03] so #ubuntu would also be ok [00:03] oh god this is not for noobs like i thought [00:03] it should be - usually most of the thigs work out of the box... [00:03] and i agree the ubuntu bureaucracy etc. is a bit complicated... [00:04] my windows laptop worked right out of the box I was set up in seconds [00:04] yes, that's what ubuntu is heading at. [00:04] however, we must reverse-engineer a lot of things and that slows the whole process down [00:05] I've been at this for almost 5 hours to connect to the internet and also the graphics are messed up. all the little buttons look like static like when the tv is broken and snowy [00:05] lol [00:05] it's a disaster [00:05] uhh... [00:05] not the OS [00:05] sounds like a really bad hardware configuration for linux :) [00:05] I mean my adventure in trying to get it working on a small laptop [00:06] small laptop = ? [00:06] vaio pcg c1vp [00:06] k [00:06] a lot of people have put linux distros on this machine [00:06] actually... [00:07] does it differ a lot from vaio pcg c1v[x] ? [00:08] no [00:09] one good bet would be to buy a cheap'o linux-supported usb wlan dongle [00:10] of course that's not the ideal solution, but at least you could get it temporarily working [00:10] and you could of course use that dongle in other machines as well if needed [00:11] I don't think it's the card [00:11] the card finds the networks [00:11] it's a setting for sure [00:12] all automatic should just work [00:13] did TheSheep ask you to try to set up manual ip configuration? [00:15] yeah dunno how to do that [00:15] and quite frankly I need to know how to fix it anyways when i travel to hostels with internet [00:15] this is purely a travel notebook because of it's size [00:15] of course [00:15] did you get network manager running? [00:16] i remember having a problem like that [00:16] asking for wep pass even if i had wpa [00:16] yeah and I see my network and I took off all encryption and have it completely open and yet it says connected but when I go to firefox and enter www.google.com it comes up with a page load error because it's not actually connected [00:16] just can't remember how it was fixed... [00:17] what if you try 209.85.171.100 ? [00:17] (instead of google.com) [00:20] nope [00:20] it fails to connect because it's not connected [00:20] ok, so it's not a dns issue :P [00:20] so are you connecting to a router? [00:20] yeah [00:20] can you check from its settings if it sees the computer as connected? [00:20] yup well it's an SMC8014w-g [00:21] I don't know how to do that [00:21] i look at my windows machine and i look at other connected computers and see the linux notebook is not on the network [00:21] 192.168.0.1 on the windows pc [00:22] oh yeah I am in the router [00:22] so does it show the vaio as connected? [00:23] where would I see that? [00:23] uh... [00:24] that's a very good question [00:24] yeah... [00:24] maybe a tab 'status' or sth? [00:25] oops [00:25] sorry lol but that's what was in the router [00:26] did that help? [00:26] anyways i'm pretty confident we can say no it is not there [00:27] ok... [00:27] i would like to know if you could connect if you'd do a manual ip configuration [00:29] ok cool. how do I do that? [00:31] !ip [00:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about ip [00:31] !network [00:31] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [00:31] gosh! [00:33] why do updates always have to use ADDITIONAL space. why cant they just REPLACE the old files :/ [00:33] ok, I have no idea how to do it from those instructions. honestly like it's okay forget it\ [00:33] ilmob, basically just right-click -> edit connections and edit the wireless connection [00:33] I'm just going to go back to windows [00:34] was nice to meet u though [00:34] ilmob, you might check that if you got wpa enabled there [00:34] ilmob, just for the sake of looking ;) [00:34] robile, updating has to use the space anyway :P [00:35] because you don't want to install remotely :P [00:35] ohh you mean network settings? [00:35] so you need the installation files [00:35] ilmob, yes [00:35] ok I'm there but i don't know what to type int the window thing [00:35] knome, ah, the size is just the install files and not the additional space that will be used after the installation? [00:35] ilmob, is there a tab "wireless security" [00:35] i diddnt know what but yes, that makes sense [00:36] robile, well, apps also get larger [00:36] robile, and you need additional libraries [00:36] robile, but want to keep the system backwards-compatible because of app X which still needs the old version [00:36] knome, no i dont, i would just want security stuff fixed. i dont need additional features or anything =) [00:36] no [00:37] but I don't have any security on my network I took it off just to see if I could get connected [00:37] robile, just enable only security updates [00:37] ilmob, ok [00:37] knome, ill try to find that, thx =) [00:38] robile, in synaptic, settings -> repositories -> tab updates [00:38] I'm sorry if I'm terse i'm just really tired I started this about 5 hours ago and I'm so tired of documentation and FAQs I don't understand [00:38] and hours of troubleshooting with people not working [00:38] ilmob, np. i can see [00:38] ...your point [00:38] so don't take it personally if I'm upset [00:39] i hope you will take an another look of linux later - maybe with some other HW or the same - it might be supported later [00:39] I'm just upset at the situation. I hate running windows ME but at least it works [00:39] i've never run windows ME [00:39] it's garbage but it works [00:39] only 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP and Vista [00:40] it's not my hardware I know that if I can see the network and get signal and all that I know my hardware is okay [00:40] it has to be settings somewhere [00:40] ilmob, linux doesn't have the same drivers as windows [00:40] nothing I do works and nothing is worth this kind of stress [00:40] I know but others have used this card and hardware before [00:40] yes. [00:41] knome, nice thanks! go celebrate xmas now ;) [00:41] hehe I see you're still here ilmob [00:41] i'm sure many of these really frustrating situations could be avoided if somebody could give you live support. [00:41] for the novice user yes [00:41] robile, hehe, actually i did it already. for over 20 times. boooooring. [00:41] :-o [00:42] sinbox at this point I'm just venting before I go to my other irc chats lol [00:42] I had trouble getting wifi when I put xubuntu on my laptop too [00:42] 5 hours of not being able to get the bloody internet to work would do the same to you [00:42] then an hour after I got it sorted my HDD died [00:42] actually... i've battled 5+ hours to get the system *booting* [00:42] ;) [00:42] it's just not worth it [00:43] it is once it works [00:43] the statement that this is a great distro for novices coming from windows is pardon my french bull [00:43] whats the problem ilmob ? installing the driver or connecting to the router ? [00:43] connecting to the router [00:43] it's just different people have different points of time/work they can take for a thing [00:43] you have a french bull? [00:43] ilmob, for 90%+, it actually *is*, as everything is working out of the box :) [00:44] dont u find the network? [00:44] ilmob, you just can't disagree with that. but of course i see it doesn't help your situation a lot. [00:44] already used ifconfig / iwconfig ? [00:44] yeah [00:44] only joking :) relax and maybe give it a break ilmob, how many time have you rebooted since you've been trying with the wifi? [00:44] and the preinstalled networker manager doesnt work / find the network ? [00:44] I don;t know I have many people who would disagree with that even some of my friends who are much better at this than me [00:45] in fact I've been told everyone messes up their first install [00:45] which means it's not easy [00:45] ilmob, i've had many succesful first installs. [00:45] you learn from your mistakes :) [00:45] ilmob, but also, it's always *way* better if somebody who is able to sort things sets it up for you for the first time [00:46] I find the network fine [00:46] oh robile has left lol [00:46] i'm sure he will be back soon [00:46] looks like some connection problems ;) [00:48] ah well, if it makes you feel better ilmob my laptop has windows on it and since an update last january I have been unable to connect to wifi networks: I can see the networks but the windows wifi thingmajig says cable disconnected when you know, there is no cable [00:48] I've never had a problem networking with windows in my life honest to god [00:49] ah well [00:49] lol [00:50] you're lucky then :) that particular update fucked up at least 7 machines I look after, and I had to do a restore point and cancel the update altogether, it removed the whole tcp/ip stack/whatever on a friend's machine, and that was on an ethernet connection [00:50] i've never had a clean connection on windows [00:50] as the saying goes: YMMV [00:53] anyways I'm off to re-install windows thanks for your help though i know you all tried hard to help [00:53] and it was a pleasure chatting [00:53] np. [00:53] it's too bad this didn't work out [00:53] maybe we'll see again. [00:54] maybe [00:58] hi. i have a problem on Xubuntu 8.10 specifically to do with Compiz & emerald. [01:00] * sinbox can't help with that [01:01] ok [01:01] no problem [01:01] !compiz [01:01] Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [01:04] * charlie-tca wishes he could remember that one! [01:04] which one? [01:05] compiz [01:05] hmm? :) [01:06] the bot gives a better answer than I can... ;) [01:07] hehe [01:08] and sends people elsewhere for help too [01:09] yeah - where they can get better help [01:21] ilmob is in ubuntu now :) so still trying [01:39] i am having problems connecting to a ad-hoc network, it just doesn't connect, if its a router/ap i am connecting to it works fine [02:07] I'm trying to boot Xubuntu Hardy (I know it's not current) on an old computer of mine. It runs Debian fine, but the Hardy CD just drops it into a BusyBox shell. How do I fix this? [02:09] Rakko, have you tried the safe graphics mode? [02:09] yeah. same thing :( [02:10] and I have tried it with both the onboard Intel graphics and with an old GeForce 2 [02:11] I see something here about that happening when booting from USB, but I'm booting from CD [02:12] hmh. [02:13] so you're trying to use it as live cd, eH? [02:14] yeah [02:15] so whn booting with usb, does it still have some problems or does it load correctly? [02:15] how much ram do you have? [02:15] I haven't booted from usb [02:16] 512 MB [02:16] what did you talk about booting from usb then? [02:16] because of this page: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/busybox/+question/30201 [02:17] ok, so have you tested the cd for errors [02:20] not lately [02:21] ...so what does that actually mean? have you used it succesfully for other pcs? [02:22] yes [02:27] what happens if you type 'startx' in the shell? [02:28] I tried booting without quiet & splash [02:28] ok? [02:28] what happened [02:29] and it acted like it was mounting an ext3 and starting kjounalfs about a million times [02:29] and during that it kept talking about a read error with fd0 [02:29] ... [02:29] s/kjournalfs/kjournald [02:29] i'm out of ideas already. [02:30] maybe you want to wait somebody more technical to turn around [02:30] then it goes into busybox [02:30] I don't see what ext3 would have to do with fd0 [02:30] wel... [02:30] +l [02:30] oh, there was an exception on ata1.01 too [02:31] maybe you would like to append that information to one of the bugs about this. [02:31] ok [02:31] I will try startx, btw [02:31] and subscribe [02:31] yeah. [02:32] maybe I should try intrepid [02:32] yeah. might give better results :) [02:33] please still add the information [02:33] startx is not found [02:33] k [02:33] then just add info and try intrepid with better luck. [02:34] will try it without floppy and hard drives [02:34] if you don't want to wait/conf [02:41] yeah [02:41] I don't want to retype all the output [02:41] hmm.. [02:41] !apport [02:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about apport [02:42] I'm waiting for it to boot, after having disconnected the HD and FD... but now it's kind of stuck [02:42] keeps saying I/O error of fd0 [02:43] yeah [02:43] sounds like something is broken [03:00] anyone knows what could cause this error: [03:00] make: ./mkdirs: Command not found [03:01] missing file? :) [03:02] hmmm, so I guess I'm gonna have to try and see if I can hunt the down the developper to find out more then [03:02] :/ [03:02] what are you trying to build? [03:04] liveice-sn04 [03:05] sn04 is version number, or...? [03:08] yes, it was the last one made, quite a few years back now, got the source from sourceforge [03:08] the previous versions only supported icecast and not icecast2 [03:08] http://web.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice_setup.html ? [03:08] a-ha.. [03:08] can you paste me a link [03:11] http://liveice.sourceforge.net/ [03:11] source download: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102722 [03:13] builds ok. [03:13] is the problem in make or make install? [03:13] do you have build-essential? :P [03:14] I'm using checkinstall actually instead of make install [03:14] (i did ./configure and make) [03:14] so that is the problem? [03:14] that's when the problem appears, ./configure and make run fine [03:14] ok, let me test [03:15] should i give any arguments for checkinstall? [03:15] -D so it build a .deb file [03:16] yes.. [03:16] the problem occurs [03:17] [deleted expletive] I could have got the deb file of you if it hadn't ;-) [03:17] yup [03:18] 64bit :P [03:19] from looking at the mailing list archives I doubt I'll get an answer to any query I have :/ [03:20] anyone here? [03:21] sort of [03:21] joy.. [03:22] easily pleased then [03:22] looking for help haha. [03:23] sinbox, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/liveice/filelist [03:24] sinbox, according to that list, you might just hack it ;P [03:24] sinbox, or do you *really* need a .deb? [03:24] just cp files into locations:) [03:24] i know it's dirty... [03:27] the version in the repositories does not support icecast2 unfortunately knome so I'm not sure if that would work, but I'll check the filelist against the other one to see if anythig is missing [03:27] sinbox, well you have the app already built as make succeeds. [03:27] dirty is good [03:27] ooopss offtopic [03:27] sinbox, so you don't really need anything but to have the bin in the right place [03:28] sinbox, you could also use /usr/bin [03:29] ...or just run the bin from the path you built it in [03:29] oh ok I get it now D'oh, sorry I'm still newbish at building programms and all that :) [03:29] np [03:29] so nue did you have a question? [03:29] !ask | nue [03:29] nue: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [03:34] mm.. First time using this so uh... I'm matching up FAT formats between XP and xubuntu with a USB device in trying to transfer files. However, it seems that no matter what I try, it ends up being reading as FAT 16 through fdisk on terminal. XP registers it as FAT32 but Xubutu registers it as FAT16. The thing is, Xubuntu sees the mounted device but it won't allow me to copy any files over, as I suspect it doesn't support FAT16. Alread [03:35] nue, your message got cut from "Alread"... [03:37] knome: can´t we read FAT16? [03:37] well uh, we can i suppose [03:38] and i really don't see a reason why it is recognised as FAT16.. [03:39] Unless it is a factory partition FAT16 and a second FAT32 partition? [03:39] well [03:39] i already deleted all partitions [03:39] that was originally on it [03:39] so its only printing out one. [03:39] "Already attempted to format both through XP and terminal as FAT32." [03:40] nue, which xubuntu version? [03:40] 8.10 [03:40] it sees the device and everything just fine... only that i can't actively move any files onto the HD. [03:41] nue, what says 'mount' when usb disc is plugged? [03:41] not sure i follow. [03:41] nue, in terminal, type 'mount' (without 's) [03:41] nue, and paste the output in... [03:41] OH. [03:41] !pastebin [03:41] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [03:42] and paste the link for us [03:42] silly me. of course. [03:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/92557/ [03:44] looks exactly right [03:45] should i post my fdisk printout as well? [03:45] why not [03:47] http://paste.ubuntu.com/92559/ [03:51] hmm. [03:52] i attempted to format with mkdosfs -F 32 iirc. [03:52] I guess the builds of liveice work it just clled me an Eeejit [03:52] :'( [03:53] Eeejit? [03:53] sounds like: i_iot [03:58] sinbox, ;) [03:58] nue, weird [03:59] assuming then that its just... stuck as fat16... would it be then, that xubuntu can't support fat16 formats? [04:04] meh. [04:05] have you checked the disc for errors? [04:05] lol irrelevant. [04:05] not yet. [04:05] not really. [04:05] was responding to the "meh" comment haha. [04:05] ah ;) [04:05] it is just me [04:05] "who asks about fat 16 anyway?" [04:05] oh well. [04:05] i'll try with a newer usb. [04:06] hopefully that'll work! [04:06] being fat is not really mediasexy now ;) [04:07] course not. [04:08] i've been up for 20 hours with 4 hours of sleep last "night" [04:08] it's 6am. [04:08] *that* was irrelevant. [04:08] haha. [04:09] but might lead into some failures in brain working. [04:19] 6 am? [04:19] eastern europe? [04:20] finland [04:20] christmas comes early [04:20] I never think about the north east ;-) [04:20] hah [04:21] ah well liveice not calling me an Eeejit anymore but stuck somewhere further down the line :/ [04:21] hah [04:21] sinbox, you need further assistance? :P [04:21] oh, there it is! [04:21] * knome smacks evilbug [04:21] ;) [04:22] knome- ? [04:22] triaged, fixed, patched. [04:22] the evil bug. [04:22] :| i don't get it. [04:22] nevermind. :) [04:22] hehe [04:23] I'lll put verbose output on in the cfg file and see what gives knome [04:23] yeah [04:24] progress it's now calling me a moron I must be getting better :) [04:24] >__< [04:27] woohoo [04:27] success! [04:28] you're a dumbass? [04:28] that too but it's not what I meant :) >> succesfully streaming away [04:28] ok [04:28] good to hear [04:29] all I need to do is go where the server is and repeat the exact same operations now... [04:29] ;)) [04:29] probably not that hard [04:31] onpe should be fine next time, I just have to travel there as I don't own the server and don't have shell access or whatever you need to do things to it from here (which is probably a wise move from the admin ;-) ) [04:31] hah [04:31] is it far away? (like [n]k km?) [04:32] eh. good night ;) [04:32] see you later. [04:32] nope not that far away but I'm the lazy type [04:32] night night [04:32] :] [04:32] or rather day day [04:32] yes... [04:32] -> [04:32] thanks [06:15] ok lol after many grueling hours and the help of many apparently my computer boots to ipv6 instead of 4 [06:16] is there a way to get xubuntu to boot to ipv4 instead of 6? I can't find any documentation on this or I'm simply just not understanding it much like this entire linux experience [06:16] lol [06:19]