[00:00] <knome> looks like there is different revisions of that card with different chipsets.
[00:01] <ilmob> I get no output when i type lspci | grep DWL
[00:01] <knome> k
[00:01] <knome> actually what i'm wondering is how to enable wep...
[00:02] <ilmob> I currently have a totally open network and still unable to connect and go to the internet
[00:02] <ilmob> the computer is seeing that there is a network there
[00:02] <knome> hmm...
[00:02] <ilmob> I don't have an IP
[00:02] <knome> i'm actually quite weaponless
[00:02] <knome> have you asked #ubuntu ?
[00:02] <ilmob> nope
[00:02] <ilmob> i can try there
[00:02] <ilmob> is it the same as xubuntu?
[00:03] <ilmob> same commands and gui and everything?
[00:03] <knome> this is not xubuntu specific
[00:03] <ilmob> ohh
[00:03] <ilmob> ok
[00:03] <knome> so #ubuntu would also be ok
[00:03] <ilmob> oh god this is not for noobs like i thought
[00:03] <knome> it should be - usually most of the thigs work out of the box...
[00:03] <knome> and i agree the ubuntu bureaucracy etc. is a bit complicated...
[00:04] <ilmob> my windows laptop worked right out of the box I was set up in seconds
[00:04] <knome> yes, that's what ubuntu is heading at.
[00:04] <knome> however, we must reverse-engineer a lot of things and that slows the whole process down
[00:05] <ilmob> I've been at this for almost 5 hours to connect to the internet and also the graphics are messed up. all the little buttons look like static like when the tv is broken and snowy
[00:05] <ilmob> lol
[00:05] <ilmob> it's a disaster
[00:05] <knome> uhh...
[00:05] <ilmob> not the OS
[00:05] <knome> sounds like a really bad hardware configuration for linux :)
[00:05] <ilmob> I mean my adventure in trying to get it working on a small laptop
[00:06] <knome> small laptop = ?
[00:06] <ilmob> vaio pcg c1vp
[00:06] <knome> k
[00:06] <ilmob> a lot of people have put linux distros on this machine
[00:06] <knome> actually...
[00:07] <knome> does it differ a lot from vaio pcg c1v[x] ?
[00:08] <ilmob> no
[00:09] <knome> one good bet would be to buy a cheap'o linux-supported usb wlan dongle
[00:10] <knome> of course that's not the ideal solution, but at least you could get it temporarily working
[00:10] <knome> and you could of course use that dongle in other machines as well if needed
[00:11] <ilmob> I don't think it's the card
[00:11] <ilmob> the card finds the networks
[00:11] <ilmob> it's a setting for sure
[00:12] <knome> all automatic should just work
[00:13] <knome> did TheSheep ask you to try to  set up manual ip configuration?
[00:15] <ilmob> yeah dunno how to do that
[00:15] <ilmob> and quite frankly I need to know how to fix it anyways when i travel to hostels with internet
[00:15] <ilmob> this is purely a travel notebook because of it's size
[00:15] <knome> of course
[00:15] <knome> did you get network manager running?
[00:16] <knome> i remember having a problem like that
[00:16] <knome> asking for wep pass even if i had wpa
[00:16] <ilmob> yeah and I see my network and I took off all encryption and have it completely open and yet it says connected but when I go to firefox and enter www.google.com it comes up with a page load error because it's not actually connected
[00:16] <knome> just can't remember how it was fixed...
[00:17] <knome> what if you try 209.85.171.100 ?
[00:17] <knome> (instead of google.com)
[00:20] <ilmob> nope
[00:20] <ilmob> it fails to connect because it's not connected
[00:20] <knome> ok, so it's not a dns issue :P
[00:20] <knome> so are you connecting to a router?
[00:20] <ilmob> yeah
[00:20] <knome> can you check from its settings if it sees the computer as connected?
[00:20] <ilmob> yup well it's an SMC8014w-g
[00:21] <ilmob> I don't know how to do that
[00:21] <ilmob> i look at my windows machine and i look at other connected computers and see the linux notebook is not on the network
[00:21] <knome> 192.168.0.1 on the windows pc
[00:22] <ilmob> oh yeah I am in the router
[00:22] <knome> so does it show the vaio as connected?
[00:23] <ilmob> where would I see that?
[00:23] <knome> uh...
[00:24] <knome> that's a very good question
[00:24] <ilmob> yeah...
[00:24] <knome> maybe a tab 'status' or sth?
[00:25] <ilmob> oops
[00:25] <ilmob> sorry lol but that's what was in the router
[00:26] <ilmob> did that help?
[00:26] <ilmob> anyways i'm pretty confident we can say no it is not there
[00:27] <knome> ok...
[00:27] <knome> i would like to know if you could connect if you'd do a manual ip configuration
[00:29] <ilmob> ok cool. how do I do that?
[00:31] <knome> !ip
[00:31] <knome> !network
[00:31] <knome> gosh!
[00:33] <robile> why do updates always have to use ADDITIONAL space. why cant they just REPLACE the old files :/
[00:33] <ilmob> ok, I have no idea how to do it from those instructions. honestly like it's okay forget it\
[00:33] <knome> ilmob, basically just right-click -> edit connections and edit the wireless connection
[00:33] <ilmob> I'm just going to go back to windows
[00:34] <robile> was nice to meet u though
[00:34] <knome> ilmob, you might check that if you got wpa enabled there
[00:34] <knome> ilmob, just for the sake of looking ;)
[00:34] <knome> robile, updating has to use the space anyway :P
[00:35] <knome> because you don't want to install remotely :P
[00:35] <ilmob> ohh you mean network settings?
[00:35] <knome> so you need the installation files
[00:35] <knome> ilmob, yes
[00:35] <ilmob> ok I'm there but i don't know what to type int the window thing
[00:35] <robile> knome, ah, the size is just the install files and not the additional space that will be used after the installation?
[00:35] <knome> ilmob, is there a tab "wireless security"
[00:35] <robile> i diddnt know what but yes, that makes sense
[00:36] <knome> robile, well, apps also get larger
[00:36] <knome> robile, and you need additional libraries
[00:36] <knome> robile, but want to keep the system backwards-compatible because of app X which still needs the old version
[00:36] <robile> knome, no i dont, i would just want security stuff fixed. i dont need additional features or anything =)
[00:36] <ilmob> no
[00:37] <ilmob> but I don't have any security on my network I took it off just to see if I could get connected
[00:37] <knome> robile, just enable only security updates
[00:37] <knome> ilmob, ok
[00:37] <robile> knome, ill try to find that, thx =)
[00:38] <knome> robile, in synaptic, settings -> repositories -> tab updates
[00:38] <ilmob> I'm sorry if I'm terse i'm just really tired I started this about 5 hours ago and I'm so tired of documentation and FAQs I don't understand
[00:38] <ilmob> and hours of troubleshooting with people not working
[00:38] <knome> ilmob, np. i can see
[00:38] <knome> ...your point
[00:38] <ilmob> so don't take it personally if I'm upset
[00:39] <knome> i hope you will take an another look of linux later - maybe with some other HW or the same - it might be supported later
[00:39] <ilmob> I'm just upset at the situation. I hate running windows ME but at least it works
[00:39] <knome> i've never run windows ME
[00:39] <ilmob> it's garbage but it works
[00:39] <knome> only 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 2000, XP and Vista
[00:40] <ilmob> it's not my hardware I know that if I can see the network and get signal and all that I know my hardware is okay
[00:40] <ilmob> it has to be settings somewhere
[00:40] <knome> ilmob, linux doesn't have the same drivers as windows
[00:40] <ilmob> nothing I do works and nothing is worth this kind of stress
[00:40] <ilmob> I know but others have used this card and hardware before
[00:40] <knome> yes.
[00:41] <robile> knome, nice thanks! go celebrate xmas now ;)
[00:41] <sinbox> hehe I see you're still here ilmob
[00:41] <knome> i'm sure many of these really frustrating situations could be avoided if somebody could give you live support.
[00:41] <ilmob> for the novice user yes
[00:41] <knome> robile, hehe, actually i did it already. for over 20 times. boooooring.
[00:41] <robile> :-o
[00:42] <ilmob> sinbox at this point I'm just venting before I go to my other irc chats lol
[00:42] <sinbox> I had trouble getting wifi when I put xubuntu on my laptop too
[00:42] <ilmob> 5 hours of not being able to get the bloody internet to work would do the same to you
[00:42] <sinbox> then an hour after I got it sorted my HDD died
[00:42] <knome> actually... i've battled 5+ hours to get the system *booting*
[00:42] <knome> ;)
[00:42] <ilmob> it's just not worth it
[00:43] <sinbox> it is once it works
[00:43] <ilmob> the statement that this is a great distro for novices coming from windows is pardon my french bull
[00:43] <robile> whats the problem ilmob ? installing the driver or connecting to the router ?
[00:43] <ilmob> connecting to the router
[00:43] <knome> it's just different people have different points of time/work they can take for a thing
[00:43] <sinbox> you have a french bull?
[00:43] <knome> ilmob, for 90%+, it actually *is*, as everything is working out of the box :)
[00:44] <robile> dont u find the network?
[00:44] <knome> ilmob, you just can't disagree with that. but of course i see it doesn't help your situation a lot.
[00:44] <robile> already used ifconfig / iwconfig ?
[00:44] <ilmob> yeah
[00:44] <sinbox> only joking  :)  relax and maybe give it a break ilmob, how many time have you rebooted since you've been trying with the wifi?
[00:44] <robile> and the preinstalled networker manager doesnt work / find the network ?
[00:44] <ilmob> I don;t know I have many people who would disagree with that even some of my friends who are much better at this than me
[00:45] <ilmob> in fact I've been told everyone messes up their first install
[00:45] <ilmob> which means it's not easy
[00:45] <knome> ilmob, i've had many succesful first installs.
[00:45] <sinbox> you learn from your mistakes :)
[00:45] <knome> ilmob, but also, it's always *way* better if somebody who is able to sort things sets it up for you for the first time
[00:46] <ilmob> I find the network fine
[00:46] <ilmob> oh robile has left lol
[00:46] <knome> i'm sure he will be back soon
[00:46] <knome> looks like some connection problems ;)
[00:48] <sinbox> ah well, if it makes you feel better ilmob my laptop has windows on it and since an update last january I have been unable to connect to wifi networks: I can see the networks but the windows wifi thingmajig says cable disconnected when you know, there is no cable
[00:48] <ilmob> I've never had a problem networking with windows in my life honest to god
[00:49] <sinbox> ah well
[00:49] <ilmob> lol
[00:50] <sinbox> you're lucky then :)  that particular update fucked up at least 7 machines I look after, and I had to do a restore point and cancel the update altogether, it removed the whole tcp/ip stack/whatever on a friend's machine, and that was on an ethernet connection
[00:50] <knome> i've never had a clean connection on windows
[00:50] <sinbox> as the saying goes: YMMV
[00:53] <ilmob> anyways I'm off to re-install windows thanks for your help though i know you all tried hard to help
[00:53] <ilmob> and it was a pleasure chatting
[00:53] <knome> np.
[00:53] <ilmob> it's too bad this didn't work out
[00:53] <knome> maybe we'll see again.
[00:54] <sinbox> maybe
[00:58] <jon_high9000> hi. i have a problem on Xubuntu 8.10 specifically to do with Compiz & emerald.
[01:00]  * sinbox can't help with that
[01:01] <jon_high9000> ok
[01:01] <jon_high9000> no problem
[01:01] <knome> !compiz
[01:04]  * charlie-tca wishes he could remember that one!
[01:04] <knome> which one?
[01:05] <charlie-tca> compiz
[01:05] <knome> hmm? :)
[01:06] <charlie-tca> the bot gives a better answer than I can... ;)
[01:07] <knome> hehe
[01:08] <sinbox> and sends people elsewhere for help too
[01:09] <knome> yeah - where they can get better help
[01:21] <sinbox> ilmob is in ubuntu now :) so still trying
[01:39] <sikun> i am having problems connecting to a ad-hoc network, it just doesn't connect, if its a router/ap i am connecting to it works fine
[02:07] <Rakko> I'm trying to boot Xubuntu Hardy (I know it's not current) on an old computer of mine. It runs Debian fine, but the Hardy CD just drops it into a BusyBox shell. How do I fix this?
[02:09] <knome> Rakko, have you tried the safe graphics mode?
[02:09] <Rakko> yeah. same thing :(
[02:10] <Rakko> and I have tried it with both the onboard Intel graphics and with an old GeForce 2
[02:11] <Rakko> I see something here about that happening when booting from USB, but I'm booting from CD
[02:12] <knome> hmh.
[02:13] <knome> so you're trying to use it as live cd, eH?
[02:14] <Rakko> yeah
[02:15] <knome> so whn booting with usb, does it still have some problems or does it load correctly?
[02:15] <knome> how much ram do you have?
[02:15] <Rakko> I haven't booted from usb
[02:16] <Rakko> 512 MB
[02:16] <knome> what did you talk about booting from usb then?
[02:16] <Rakko> because of this page: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/busybox/+question/30201
[02:17] <knome> ok, so have you tested the cd for errors
[02:20] <Rakko> not lately
[02:21] <knome> ...so what does that actually mean? have you used it succesfully for other pcs?
[02:22] <Rakko> yes
[02:27] <knome> what happens if you type 'startx' in the shell?
[02:28] <Rakko> I tried booting without quiet & splash
[02:28] <knome> ok?
[02:28] <knome> what happened
[02:29] <Rakko> and it acted like it was mounting an ext3 and starting kjounalfs about a million times
[02:29] <Rakko> and during that it kept talking about a read error with fd0
[02:29] <knome> ...
[02:29] <Rakko> s/kjournalfs/kjournald
[02:29] <knome> i'm out of ideas already.
[02:30] <knome> maybe you want to wait somebody more technical to turn around
[02:30] <Rakko> then it goes into busybox
[02:30] <Rakko> I don't see what ext3 would have to do with fd0
[02:30] <knome> wel...
[02:30] <knome> +l
[02:30] <Rakko> oh, there was an exception on ata1.01 too
[02:31] <knome> maybe you would like to append that information to one of the bugs about this.
[02:31] <Rakko> ok
[02:31] <Rakko> I will try startx, btw
[02:31] <knome> and subscribe
[02:31] <knome> yeah.
[02:32] <Rakko> maybe I should try intrepid
[02:32] <knome> yeah. might give better results :)
[02:33] <knome> please still add the information
[02:33] <Rakko> startx is not found
[02:33] <knome> k
[02:33] <knome> then just add info and try intrepid with better luck.
[02:34] <Rakko> will try it without floppy and hard drives
[02:34] <knome> if you don't want to wait/conf
[02:41] <Rakko> yeah
[02:41] <Rakko> I don't want to retype all the output
[02:41] <knome> hmm..
[02:41] <knome> !apport
[02:42] <Rakko> I'm waiting for it to boot, after having disconnected the HD and FD... but now it's kind of stuck
[02:42] <Rakko> keeps saying I/O error of fd0
[02:43] <knome> yeah
[02:43] <knome> sounds like something is broken
[03:00] <sinbox> anyone knows what could cause this error:
[03:00] <sinbox> make: ./mkdirs: Command not found
[03:01] <knome> missing file? :)
[03:02] <sinbox> hmmm, so I guess I'm gonna have to try and see if I can hunt the down the developper to find out more then
[03:02] <sinbox> :/
[03:02] <knome> what are you trying to build?
[03:04] <sinbox> liveice-sn04
[03:05] <knome> sn04 is version number, or...?
[03:08] <sinbox> yes, it was the last one made, quite a few years back now, got the source from sourceforge
[03:08] <sinbox> the previous versions only supported icecast and not icecast2
[03:08] <knome> http://web.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice_setup.html ?
[03:08] <knome> a-ha..
[03:08] <knome> can you paste me a link
[03:11] <sinbox> http://liveice.sourceforge.net/
[03:11] <sinbox> source download: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102722
[03:13] <knome> builds ok.
[03:13] <knome> is the problem in make or make install?
[03:13] <knome> do you have build-essential? :P
[03:14] <sinbox> I'm using checkinstall actually instead of make install
[03:14] <knome> (i did ./configure and make)
[03:14] <knome> so that is the problem?
[03:14] <sinbox> that's when the problem appears, ./configure and make run fine
[03:14] <knome> ok, let me test
[03:15] <knome> should i give any arguments for checkinstall?
[03:15] <sinbox> -D  so it build a .deb file
[03:16] <knome> yes..
[03:16] <knome> the problem occurs
[03:17] <sinbox> [deleted expletive] I could have got the deb file of you if it hadn't ;-)
[03:17] <knome> yup
[03:18] <knome> 64bit :P
[03:19] <sinbox> from looking at the mailing list archives I doubt I'll get an answer to any query I have :/
[03:20] <nue> anyone here?
[03:21] <sinbox> sort of
[03:21] <nue> joy..
[03:22] <sinbox> easily pleased then
[03:22] <nue> looking for help haha.
[03:23] <knome> sinbox, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/i386/liveice/filelist
[03:24] <knome> sinbox, according to that list, you might just hack it ;P
[03:24] <knome> sinbox, or do you *really* need a .deb?
[03:24] <knome> just cp files into locations:)
[03:24] <knome> i know it's dirty...
[03:27] <sinbox> the version in the repositories does not support icecast2 unfortunately knome so I'm not sure if that would work, but I'll check the filelist against the other one to see if anythig is missing
[03:27] <knome> sinbox, well you have the app already built as make succeeds.
[03:27] <sinbox> dirty is good
[03:27] <sinbox> ooopss offtopic
[03:27] <knome> sinbox, so you don't really need anything but to have the bin in the right place
[03:28] <knome> sinbox, you could also use /usr/bin
[03:29] <knome> ...or just run the bin from the path you built it in
[03:29] <sinbox> oh ok I get it now D'oh, sorry I'm still newbish at building programms and all that :)
[03:29] <knome> np
[03:29] <sinbox> so nue did you have a question?
[03:29] <knome> !ask | nue
[03:34] <nue> mm.. First time using this so uh... I'm matching up FAT formats between XP and xubuntu with a USB device in trying to transfer files. However, it seems that no matter what I try, it ends up being reading as FAT 16 through fdisk on terminal. XP registers it as FAT32 but Xubutu registers it as FAT16. The thing is, Xubuntu sees the mounted device but it won't allow me to copy any files over, as I suspect it doesn't support FAT16. Alread
[03:35] <knome> nue, your message got cut from "Alread"...
[03:37] <charlie-tca> knome: can´t we read FAT16?
[03:37] <knome> well uh, we can i suppose
[03:38] <knome> and i really don't see a reason why it is recognised as FAT16..
[03:39] <charlie-tca> Unless it is a factory partition FAT16 and a second FAT32 partition?
[03:39] <nue> well
[03:39] <nue> i already deleted all partitions
[03:39] <nue> that was originally on it
[03:39] <nue> so its only printing out one.
[03:39] <nue> "Already attempted to format both through XP and terminal as FAT32."
[03:40] <knome> nue, which xubuntu version?
[03:40] <nue> 8.10
[03:40] <nue> it sees the device and everything just fine... only that i can't actively move any files onto the HD.
[03:41] <knome> nue, what says 'mount' when usb disc is plugged?
[03:41] <nue> not sure i follow.
[03:41] <knome> nue, in terminal, type 'mount' (without 's)
[03:41] <knome> nue, and paste the output in...
[03:41] <nue> OH.
[03:41] <knome> !pastebin
[03:42] <knome> and paste the link for us
[03:42] <nue> silly me. of course.
[03:43] <nue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/92557/
[03:44] <knome> looks exactly right
[03:45] <nue> should i post my fdisk printout as well?
[03:45] <knome> why not
[03:47] <nue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/92559/
[03:51] <knome> hmm.
[03:52] <nue> i attempted to format with mkdosfs -F 32 iirc.
[03:52] <sinbox> I guess the builds of liveice work it just clled me an Eeejit
[03:52] <sinbox> :'(
[03:53] <knome> Eeejit?
[03:53] <sinbox> sounds like: i_iot
[03:58] <knome> sinbox, ;)
[03:58] <knome> nue, weird
[03:59] <nue> assuming then that its just... stuck as fat16... would it be then, that xubuntu can't support fat16 formats?
[04:04] <knome> meh.
[04:05] <knome> have you checked the disc for errors?
[04:05] <nue> lol irrelevant.
[04:05] <nue> not yet.
[04:05] <knome> not really.
[04:05] <nue> was responding to the "meh" comment haha.
[04:05] <knome> ah ;)
[04:05] <knome> it is just me
[04:05] <nue> "who asks about fat 16 anyway?"
[04:05] <nue> oh well.
[04:05] <nue> i'll try with a newer usb.
[04:06] <nue> hopefully that'll work!
[04:06] <knome> being fat is not really mediasexy now ;)
[04:07] <nue> course not.
[04:08] <knome> i've been up for 20 hours with 4 hours of sleep last "night"
[04:08] <knome> it's 6am.
[04:08] <knome> *that* was irrelevant.
[04:08] <nue> haha.
[04:09] <knome> but might lead into some failures in brain working.
[04:19] <sinbox> 6 am?
[04:19] <sinbox> eastern europe?
[04:20] <knome> finland
[04:20] <nue> christmas comes early
[04:20] <sinbox> I never think about the north east  ;-)
[04:20] <knome> hah
[04:21] <sinbox> ah well liveice not calling me an Eeejit anymore but stuck somewhere further down the line :/
[04:21] <knome> hah
[04:21] <knome> sinbox, you need further assistance? :P
[04:21] <knome> oh, there it is!
[04:21]  * knome smacks evilbug 
[04:21] <knome> ;)
[04:22] <evilbug> knome- ?
[04:22] <knome> triaged, fixed, patched.
[04:22] <knome> the evil bug.
[04:22] <evilbug> :| i don't get it.
[04:22] <knome> nevermind. :)
[04:22] <sinbox> hehe
[04:23] <sinbox> I'lll put verbose output on in the cfg file and see what gives knome
[04:23] <knome> yeah
[04:24] <sinbox> progress it's now calling me a moron  I must be getting better :)
[04:24] <knome> >__<
[04:27] <sinbox> woohoo
[04:27] <sinbox> success!
[04:28] <knome> you're a dumbass?
[04:28] <sinbox> that too but it's not what I meant :) >> succesfully streaming away
[04:28] <knome> ok
[04:28] <knome> good to hear
[04:29] <sinbox> all I need to do is go where the server is and repeat the exact same operations now...
[04:29] <knome> ;))
[04:29] <knome> probably not that hard
[04:31] <sinbox> onpe should be fine next time, I just have to travel there as I don't own the server and don't have shell access or whatever you need to do things to it from here (which is probably a wise move from the admin ;-) )
[04:31] <knome> hah
[04:31] <knome> is it far away? (like [n]k km?)
[04:32] <knome> eh. good night ;)
[04:32] <knome> see you later.
[04:32] <sinbox> nope not that far away but I'm the lazy type
[04:32] <sinbox> night night
[04:32] <knome> :]
[04:32] <sinbox> or rather day day
[04:32] <knome> yes...
[04:32] <knome> ->
[04:32] <sinbox> thanks
[06:15] <ilmob> ok lol after many grueling hours and the help of many apparently my computer boots to ipv6 instead of 4
[06:16] <ilmob> is there a way to get xubuntu to boot to ipv4 instead of 6? I can't find any documentation on this or I'm simply just not understanding it much like this entire linux experience
[06:16] <ilmob> lol
[06:19] <Rakko> I got Intrepid to boot
[06:22] <nue> seems to mirror my experiences too, and i'm about 3 weeks in =(
[07:00] <FreeFull> Is there a #xubuntu-offtopic?
[07:30] <Rakko^> Ok, I'm in Intrepid... but my hard drives don't show up. At all. As in, there are no /dev/hd* files. Help, please.
[07:32] <Rakko^> (using LiveCD)
[07:34] <FreeFull> Rakko^: What about /dev/sd*
[07:36] <Rakko^> yes, the DVD drive is there
[07:36] <Xyverz> Rakko^: your drives are PATA?
[07:37] <Rakko^> oh, wait a sec... DVD is /dev/scd0
[07:37] <Rakko^> yes, PATA
[07:38] <Xyverz> huh.. haven't worked with PATA in a long time.  *sighs*
[07:38] <Rakko^> I see! My drives are sda, not hda.
[07:38] <Rakko^> Why would PATA drives show up as sda*? Did something change in the past few years in the IDE drivers?
[07:38] <FreeFull> All hard driver are sda now
[07:38] <FreeFull> Hard drives*
[07:39] <FreeFull> Or rather, sd*
[07:39] <Rakko^> Wow
[07:39] <Rakko^> thanks
[07:48] <Xyverz> huh.  I didn't know that had changed.
[07:48] <Xyverz> shows you how much I've been paying attention.
[07:50] <Rakko> yep
[08:19] <Rakko> good night and merry christmas.
[12:15] <boritek_> hello, i want to connect from a xubuntu8.10 machine to a local ubuntu8.10 machine on the same LAN with pyNeighborhood but if I run it via sudo, scanning is failed, if without sudo, it sees some folders but it cant mount (since not enugh privilege)
[12:22] <boritek_> anybody?? plz help!
[12:27] <TheSheep> boritek_: add your user to the fuse group
[12:27] <boritek_> TheSheep, ah, good idea, tx, i am checking this right now
[12:29] <boritek_> i shall log out and in again for this
[12:29] <boritek_> i suppose
[12:54] <boritek__> TheSheep, i added me to the fuse group and relogged but the situation is the same
[12:54] <boritek__> i cant mount
[12:54] <boritek__> or it fails with sudo
[12:55] <boritek__> but i cant understand why it fails with sudo at all?
[12:55] <boritek__> and cant see the shared folders
[15:09] <tingle> hello, how can i use the meta keys in a xterm terminal? for example alt-1, alt-2 ect for windows switching in irssi
[15:51] <TheSheep> tingle: disable the shortcuts in preferences
[16:41] <krkrklllyt> Hi. I need to remotely access a remote machine. What software do I need to use?
[16:41] <krkrklllyt> lol, that was funny
[16:41] <krkrklllyt> I need to remotely access a windows.
[16:41] <TheSheep> the simplest way is just ssh
[16:42] <TheSheep> you need an ssh server running on the remote machine, and an ssh client on yours
[16:42] <TheSheep> ssh client is installed by default on all ubuntus
[16:43] <moof_> can anyone give me some help configuring my wlan card?
[16:43] <krkrklllyt> yea, but can I access it graphically using SSH? i don't remeber if it was possible, TheSheep.
[16:43] <TheSheep> krkrklllyt: if you ssh with -X, you can start graphical apps over ssh tunnel
[16:44] <krkrklllyt> hm
[16:44] <TheSheep> krkrklllyt: they will run on the remote machine, but display its windows on yours
[16:44] <krkrklllyt> ok, but the machine I need to access is a Windows XP.
[16:45] <TheSheep> ah, then ssh is out of question
[16:45] <krkrklllyt> yep :(
[16:45] <TheSheep> how about remote desktop?
[16:45] <TheSheep> !rdesktop
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> krkrklllyt: you can iether use rdesktop, or install a vnc server on windows.
[16:45] <TheSheep> !rd
[16:45] <TheSheep> hmm
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> !info rdesktop
[16:46] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: I was expecting a factoid :)
[16:46] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i know...
[16:46] <keb> if you have windows xp home you might have to download something from microsoft for it to act as a server
[16:47] <krkrklllyt> I tried Vinagre, it comes by default, but when I type the IP it returns me an error. Connection to host "XXX" was closed.
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> i think you could just google for vnc server windows or womthing...
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> krkrklllyt: you need a vnc server running on windows...
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> vinagre does not do rdesktop... at least not yet...
[16:48] <krkrklllyt> hm, let me try this rdesktop :(
[16:50] <krkrklllyt> ok, rdesktop is the command line app. whats the gui for it? tsclient?
[16:51] <TheSheep> there are several
[16:52] <TheSheep> serach for remote desktop in synaptic
[16:53] <krkrklllyt> tsclient solved :)
[16:54] <krkrklllyt> thank you all
[16:55] <krkrklllyt> and merry xmas
[16:55] <keb> :)
[17:28] <moof_> could i get some help configuring my wireless card for xubuntu? not exactly sure what's wrong.
[17:49] <TheSheep> !wifi | moof_
[18:02] <moof_> well, let me explain a bit. i have the hardware drivers for my wireless card activated, but when i try to start wifi-radar it gives me the error "No wifi-device found. Exiting."
[18:48] <swiftarrow> just installed xubuntu 8.10 on Dell Vostro 1510 and I have no sound
[18:50] <swiftarrow> Help please!  Noobie here, with mute computer... using xubuntu 8.10 64 bit on Dell Vostro 1510 Audio codec is ALC 268.  Where do I go from here?
[18:51] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: you have a volume control on your panel?
[19:05] <swiftarrow> TheSheep: thank you for your reply.  No I do not
[19:07] <swiftarrow> I tried to add it via add topanel, but it wouldn't show up either.  Furthermore, although it seems to play the audio files, no sound comes out
[19:10] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: you can add the volume control by dragging it and dropping to the panel from the list
[19:11] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: what files are you trying to play? mp3? they need a codec installed
[19:11] <TheSheep> !mp3
[19:12] <swiftarrow> Thanks, I know about that, and installed the necessary codecs
[19:13] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: try starting alsamixer from terminal and make sure it's not muted...
[19:13] <swiftarrow> Ok, now the control is there, Im going to try and test it
[19:16] <swiftarrow> The Sheep: now it does play, but there is a constant varying click, seems to go faster and slower... And it does not belong in this track.  I have listened to it before... Thanks so much that it is making noise now though...
[19:17] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: check the buffer size in your player, if it has such an option...
[19:19] <swiftarrow> TheSheep: the clicking seems to go up in intensity with the volume of the song that I'm playing.  I'm using Listen Music player, I dont see any buffer size.  Will try with Movie player
[19:19] <swiftarrow> BTW, the song just ended, and the clicking petered out after the song
[19:21] <swiftarrow> Movie Player does the same thing... the frequency of the clicks and their intensity is directlly proportional to the intensity of the sound file being played!
[19:21] <TheSheep> not sure how to get rid of it
[19:21] <swiftarrow> is there any way to re-install the audio drivers?
[19:22] <TheSheep> that wouldn't help
[19:22] <TheSheep> it's not windows :)
[19:23] <swiftarrow> This is very strange....  Yea, sorry... Is it possible to reload the audio kernel modules?
[19:23] <swiftarrow> perhaps download new binaries?  What packages should I look for?
[19:25] <swiftarrow> I know there are proprietory drivers for Nvidia, and the NIC, is there anything similar for the Realtek ALC 268 (that's apparently what I Have)
[19:26] <TheSheep> no, they are built into kernel
[19:26] <TheSheep> it's not the drivers
[19:27] <TheSheep> do you also have it with other sound files?
[19:27] <TheSheep> or sound from other applications?
[19:29] <swiftarrow> I just tried using the sound recorder, it llists four inputs: Capture, Capture 1, Digital, and Front Mic Boost.  Only Capture 1 registered any levels, although it did not seem to record what I said.  When playing it back, again the clicks, proportional to the intensity of the sound (this time an even frequency, about 2 or 3 per second, indicating to me that it recorded at a high level)
[19:30] <swiftarrow> I do get the system beep without any clicks.
[19:33] <TheSheep> swiftarrow: try muting the mike
[19:33] <swiftarrow> Trying it
[19:34] <swiftarrow> Awesome!! You are a genius.  Can you please explain what made you think of this?
[19:34] <swiftarrow> It's clear sound now
[19:35] <swiftarrow> Thank you so much
[19:35] <TheSheep> the sound you were playing was recorded back
[19:35] <TheSheep> I guess
[19:35] <swiftarrow> So the Mic is accepting input all the time?
[19:35] <swiftarrow> not just when recorrding?
[19:36] <TheSheep> apparently
[19:36] <swiftarrow> so it was feedback.... Thank you so much... Your the Guy!
[19:37] <swiftarrow> Now I've got to go to bed.  You've made my day.  Hope someday I'll be versed enough to pass the favor on.
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> some netsplit...
[20:21] <excalibas> hello, I want to send a file via bluetooth but I dont know how, "gnome-obex-send" says command not found; I can start bluetooth file sharing but I dont know how to send. anny help please? Im on  Intrepid
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> !bluetooth
[20:22] <Odd-rationale> I don't have any experience with bluetooth devices on linux... so that all i can point you to... :(
[20:24] <TheSheep> excalibas: install gnome-blouetooth
[21:06] <excalibas> TheSheep, I have this already
[21:07] <excalibas> I can run bluetooth file sharing, but I dont know how to send...
[21:15] <slow-motion> hi
[21:32] <excalibas> and reciving files doenst seem to work, I get a message asking if I want to acept and then nothing happens...