| duanedesign | could someone pleae take a look at Bug #311458. I think it needs to be set to 'wishlist' thank you in advance. | 03:59 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311458 in ubuntu "Install a better scanning program by default for jaunty jackalope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311458 | 03:59 |
| * Ryan52 looks | 04:00 | |
| Ryan52 | ya, it should also be reassigned to a "real" package...whatever it is that installs stuff. (is tasksel used on the livecd also, or just the alternate?) | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu-meta | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | if you're wanting to change what gets put on the cds | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | it's not a tasksel (or variants) bug | 04:02 |
| * Hobbsee looks at brainstorm crack. | 04:03 | |
| Ryan52 | duanedesign: okay, I set it. | 04:04 |
| duanedesign | Ryan52: thank you, yet again:) | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | !info rss-glx | 04:09 |
| ubottu | rss-glx (source: rss-glx): Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-10ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 3077 kB, installed size 3964 kB | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm. | 04:12 |
| duanedesign | ok, bug #311415 I set it to Kubuntu-meta. it is a request for a font to be added to kubuntu. Could someone set it to 'wishlist' please. Thank you | 04:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311415 in kubuntu-meta "Add the droid fonts and make it the default for Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311415 | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | you could always fix the link on that, too... | 04:18 |
| duanedesign | k | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | if a .crash file is attached but it's not very useful (missing debugging symbols) what should I do? | 04:20 |
| persia | LaserJock, You can manually use apport-retrace, or ask the submitter to re-crash, and use apport to file the bug. | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | they said it was a once-off crash | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | I'm wondering if I should just close it | 04:23 |
| persia | Is the crash with the current version, or an old version? | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | old | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | it was reported in 2007 | 04:25 |
| persia | Yeah: close it, with a note asking to please submit .crash files with apport in the future. | 04:25 |
| persia | With considerable effort, we could extract the crash, and hunt it, but there's a decent chance the code has changed since. | 04:26 |
| persia | Further, because it was a once-off crash, it will be very hard to replicate. | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | yep, I certainly couldn't reproduce it | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing%20a%20crash%20report%20or%20having%20a%20.crash%20attachment it says to use apport-qt if you're running Xubuntu | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | shouldn't Xubuntu use apport-gtk? | 04:30 |
| persia | Probably. | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | would I get shot if I changed it? | 04:31 |
| persia | I'd say apport-qt should only be used by kubuntu, CLI by server and mythbuntu, and apport-gtk by everyone else. | 04:32 |
| persia | Probably not. | 04:32 |
| persia | I take that back: mythbuntu should probably use -gtk as well. | 04:33 |
| persia | Only kubuntu and server are special. | 04:33 |
| persia | Err, rather kubuntu, ichthux, and server. | 04:33 |
| persia | (but ichthux is only semi-official so I'm not sure it matters). | 04:33 |
| * Ryan52 has never heard of ichthux | 04:34 | |
| Ryan52 | how do you have a distro specifically for christians? | 04:34 |
| Ryan52 | I mean, what's the difference from normal kubuntu? | 04:34 |
| persia | Ryan52, different theme, different package selection. | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | it has default Bible software | 04:35 |
| LaserJock | there's also some stuff for churches (lyric projection software, etc.) | 04:36 |
| Ryan52 | ah. | 04:40 |
| Ryan52 | does it have additional packages from normal ubuntu? | 04:40 |
| Ryan52 | nevermind. | 04:40 |
| persia | Ryan52, apt-cache show ichthux-desktop | 04:40 |
| * Ryan52 saw the instructions and figured it out himself :p | 04:40 | |
| duanedesign | Hobbsee: when you mentioned fixing the link on bug #311415 you were talking about the wikipedia link? | 04:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311415 in kubuntu-meta "Add the droid fonts and make it the default for Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311415 | 04:41 |
| Ryan52 | duanedesign, if he isn't you should fix that too :) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | duanedesign: yes | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | Ryan52: she, but yes ;) | 04:41 |
| Ryan52 | Hobbsee, sorry :) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | Ryan52: no problem ;) | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: hola! | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | hey there LaserJock! | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: how's AU doing? | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: pretty good :) | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: i've seen some christmas madness and such, so that was entertaining | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: is it pretty warm? | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | 28C today. cooler previously | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | nice | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | it was -18 C or so at my parents | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | darn it, how do I change a locale for a program | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to use italian | 04:52 |
| duanedesign | Hobbsee: thank you for your help! | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | duanedesign: you're welcome :) | 04:55 |
| Ryan52 | persia, I don't have an ubuntu system handy, and I was too lazy to look at packages.ubuntu.com :p | 04:55 |
| * persia has trouble imagining not having an ubuntu system handy :) | 04:55 | |
| Ryan52 | hehe | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | dude, I totally wiped my Ubuntu partition the other day by accident | 04:56 |
| Ryan52 | LaserJock, start it with LANG=name-of-locale? | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | hmm, perhaps I've got the wrong lang pack | 04:59 |
| persia | LaserJock, How are you installing them? Are you using the Language Support tool? | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I did | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | but this is a Qt app, I wonder if I need the kde lang pack | 05:00 |
| persia | You probably do. | 05:00 |
| persia | Actually, is it in main? | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | yep | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | the lang packs only cover Main, right? | 05:01 |
| persia | Right. From what I understand, there will be some new seed-based langpack structure in a few months, but currently main/universe also means langpack'd/non-langpack'd. | 05:02 |
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| LaserJock | grrr, still english | 05:02 |
| Ryan52 | afaict it doesn't respect LANG.. | 05:03 |
| persia | Did you log in in Italian? | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | no | 05:03 |
| persia | Try that: it helps with some applications. | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | since I don't know italian I was trying to just start the one app in Italian | 05:03 |
| Ryan52 | it == kde stuff | 05:03 |
| Ryan52 | persia, what do those do differently? | 05:04 |
| persia | (noting that I haven't hacked on KDE in 8 or so years): I believe it sets the default resources to have the desired language, so that applications using the KDE bindings rather than LANG also get the desired language. | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | well, this reporter says that LC_NUMERIC=C fixes the problem | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | so I assume that LC_NUMERIC at least works | 05:07 |
| Ryan52 | LaserJock, thanks, I'll look. | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | well, I feel dumb | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | I just went into the preferences and there it was | 05:09 |
| Ryan52 | heh | 05:09 |
| Ryan52 | LaserJock, I tried setting that also and it didn't work...but thanks anyway. | 05:16 |
| Ryan52 | LaserJock made me remember about a bug I need to fix :) | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | woot, 4 bugs closed | 05:22 |
| Pfiffer | Have an acheivment | 05:23 |
| Ryan52 | persia: do you if it is easy to change the default resource? :) | 05:31 |
| persia | Ryan52, I don't remember at all. Sorry. I would expect it to be just an API call. | 05:32 |
| Ryan52 | arg. not what I wanted to hear :). anyway, thanks. | 05:35 |
| Ryan52 | 0.o. kdm doesn't even let you choose your language. | 05:38 |
| duanedesign | a request to change the default font size would be assigned to which package? | 06:06 |
| persia | duanedesign, In what context? The system default? For which desktop environment? | 06:08 |
| duanedesign | Bug #310353 | 06:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 310353 in gnome-control-center "Default font size too large" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310353 | 06:09 |
| persia | That's the right package for the GNOME environment. | 06:10 |
| duanedesign | thank you | 06:10 |
| persia | duanedesign, That doesn't belong on brainstorm, really. | 06:11 |
| persia | The right answer is to fix the bug that GNOME assumes 96 DPI. | 06:11 |
| persia | I have screens from about 300 DPI down to about 75, and the default isn't right for any of them, really. | 06:12 |
| persia | I'd just dup 310353 into 157398. | 06:12 |
| persia | There's work ongoing to achieve this, but it's not something that will be done in Ubuntu. | 06:13 |
| duanedesign | it is the second one i came across. I noticed the brainstorm entry was getting lots of negative feedback. thought it would give them an idea of how well/or not their idea was being recieved. | 06:13 |
| duanedesign | Thank you for the help:) | 06:13 |
| persia | Well, font size isn't the way to fix that. | 06:14 |
| duanedesign | agreed | 06:14 |
| duanedesign | is their ever a case someone should be directed to brainstorm? the wiki under bug/responses suggest that An idea to improve Ubuntu should be discussed there | 06:16 |
| persia | There are some cases. Redirection to brainstorm is appropriate if 1) the idea is large enough to not fit as a bug against a single package, 2) the idea is well defined enough to be useful, and 3) the idea has not already been rejected by Ubuntu developers. | 06:17 |
| duanedesign | lol, number 2 would weed out alot | 06:18 |
| persia | Yep. | 06:18 |
| persia | On the other hand, telling people about 2 often separates those who are willing to put a little thought into something from those who are just complaining. | 06:19 |
| duanedesign | I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Alot of people have been really helpfull | 06:20 |
| persia | If someone wants to think about something, and and describe it well enough to get other people thinking, it becomes a useful idea. | 06:20 |
| duanedesign | I am reading a book that touches on that."If you cant tell me what you would like to be happening you dont have a problem yet, you are just complaining,""A problem only exist if there is a difference between what is actually happening and what you desire to be happening." | 06:23 |
| persia | Precisely. | 06:24 |
| persia | That doesn't mean that there isn't a problem if one is unhappy with the status quo, only that the problem is unlikely to lead to a solution unless an alternative is described. | 06:25 |
| persia | Brainstorm allows people to vote on the alternatives, so that we can identify solutions that will work for everyone. | 06:26 |
| duanedesign | ahh, yes that makes sense | 06:28 |
| duanedesign | Alot of people have been very helpfull in here. I have only been doing bug triage for about 4 or 5 weeks. I want to get 'up to speed' as fast as possible. Not only to help as much as I can but also I want to make sure peoples bug submitting experience is positive. That way they will continue to do so in the future. | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | darn it, I wish it was easier to see the original reporter | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | I keep thinking the first person to comment is the reporter and sometimes end up saying some stupid things ;-) | 06:49 |
| duanedesign | they need to add a edit comment feature | 06:50 |
| persia | No, editing comments has all sorts of repurcussions better avoided. | 06:50 |
| persia | It's just that the reporter being above the tasks gets confusing. | 06:50 |
| nellery | would it be right to mark the open bugs of a package that no longer exists in Jaunty as won't fix? | 06:54 |
| persia | I usually just mark them Invalid, rather than wontfix, but either works. Just be sure to note in the comment that the bug is being closed because the package is goine. | 06:56 |
| persia | Also, check to see if the package is superceded by another package: often the bugs needs to be migrated when a package name changes. | 06:57 |
| nellery | alright thanks | 06:58 |
| itnet7 | Bug #311395 | 07:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311395 in ubuntu "[regression] There is no way to set a shortcut key for the shutdown dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311395 | 07:35 |
| itnet7 | Can someone please mark this "wishlist" ? | 07:35 |
| persia | itnet7, done | 07:37 |
| persia | itnet7, It still needs a package though (gnome-control-center) | 07:37 |
| persia | Also, should get a status. | 07:37 |
| itnet7 | Thanks Persia, I will add it, what should I change the status to? | 07:38 |
| persia | Please. | 07:38 |
| persia | Also, I'm not sure that belongs on brainstorm. | 07:38 |
| persia | It's fairly small, and well defined. | 07:38 |
| itnet7 | Yeah, I read what you wrote above... didn't notice in time :-) | 07:39 |
| itnet7 | I will keep that in mind when posting the generic responses. | 07:39 |
| itnet7 | persia, should I update the status to confirmed or in progress? | 07:42 |
| persia | Well, it should only be in-progress if someone is actively working to fix it. | 07:43 |
| persia | Whether it should be confirmed or not depends on whether you can confirm it's a bug. | 07:43 |
| itnet7 | makes sense | 07:43 |
| itnet7 | I can confirm what he stated... but to me it isn't as important to be able bind a key to shutdown like that... I always found that to be dangerous :-) | 07:44 |
| persia | So you'd suggest that the binding is missing, but feel it should not be enabled by default? | 07:44 |
| itnet7 | Exactly.. that way it is present for someone else that may want the feature, or the ability to easily bind it | 07:45 |
| itnet7 | I do remember it prior to the logout/shutdown being split | 07:46 |
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| refdoc | Hi, can someone tell me where I can find out a history of recent updates? _ i think recently a locale bug has been brought into 8.10 and 8.04 | 21:27 |
| refdoc | and I would like to file a report against it with some accuracy | 21:27 |
| refdoc | basically it is right now impossible to run a application in a different locale than the gnome main one, while in the past this was easy with "export LC_ALL=new_locale; myprogram | 21:28 |
| Ryan52 | look at /var/log/dpkg.log | 21:36 |
| Ryan52 | it'll show you what you've upgraded/installed recently. | 21:36 |
| refdoc | thanks. I thinkk I have narrowed it down to login on the 11 December and OpenOffice on the 9th | 21:37 |
| LaserJock | if an apport bug has an essentially blank retrace and the report is "donno, just crashed" should I close it? | 21:49 |
| xteejx | hey guys, hope you all had a good xmas - those that do xmas anyway :) | 22:31 |
| xteejx | bdmurray: I won't be triaging for quite a while I've been in hospital a lot recently, sorry to let you down, but just so you know in case you see that I haven't been "bothering". | 22:32 |
| xteejx | I have a problem though I'm trying to upgrade to Jaunty alpha I keep getting W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) | 22:32 |
| xteejx | , W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) | 22:32 |
| xteejx | , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. | 22:32 |
| jcastro | dude man, take care of yourself, don't worry, there will always be bugs | 22:32 |
| xteejx | thanks castro :) | 22:34 |
| xteejx | well thought i should let ya all know, have a good new year guys and keep up the good work i'll be back when i can take care | 22:36 |
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