[03:59] could someone pleae take a look at Bug #311458. I think it needs to be set to 'wishlist' thank you in advance. [03:59] Launchpad bug 311458 in ubuntu "Install a better scanning program by default for jaunty jackalope" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311458 [04:00] * Ryan52 looks [04:02] ya, it should also be reassigned to a "real" package...whatever it is that installs stuff. (is tasksel used on the livecd also, or just the alternate?) [04:02] ubuntu-meta [04:02] if you're wanting to change what gets put on the cds [04:02] it's not a tasksel (or variants) bug [04:03] * Hobbsee looks at brainstorm crack. [04:04] duanedesign: okay, I set it. [04:04] Ryan52: thank you, yet again:) [04:09] !info rss-glx [04:09] rss-glx (source: rss-glx): Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port. In component main, is optional. Version 0.8.1-10ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 3077 kB, installed size 3964 kB [04:12] hmmm. [04:17] ok, bug #311415 I set it to Kubuntu-meta. it is a request for a font to be added to kubuntu. Could someone set it to 'wishlist' please. Thank you [04:17] Launchpad bug 311415 in kubuntu-meta "Add the droid fonts and make it the default for Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311415 [04:18] you could always fix the link on that, too... [04:20] k [04:20] if a .crash file is attached but it's not very useful (missing debugging symbols) what should I do? [04:22] LaserJock, You can manually use apport-retrace, or ask the submitter to re-crash, and use apport to file the bug. [04:23] they said it was a once-off crash [04:23] I'm wondering if I should just close it [04:24] Is the crash with the current version, or an old version? [04:25] old [04:25] it was reported in 2007 [04:25] Yeah: close it, with a note asking to please submit .crash files with apport in the future. [04:26] With considerable effort, we could extract the crash, and hunt it, but there's a decent chance the code has changed since. [04:26] Further, because it was a once-off crash, it will be very hard to replicate. [04:29] yep, I certainly couldn't reproduce it [04:30] hmm [04:30] on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing%20a%20crash%20report%20or%20having%20a%20.crash%20attachment it says to use apport-qt if you're running Xubuntu [04:30] shouldn't Xubuntu use apport-gtk? [04:31] Probably. [04:31] would I get shot if I changed it? [04:32] I'd say apport-qt should only be used by kubuntu, CLI by server and mythbuntu, and apport-gtk by everyone else. [04:32] Probably not. [04:33] I take that back: mythbuntu should probably use -gtk as well. [04:33] Only kubuntu and server are special. [04:33] Err, rather kubuntu, ichthux, and server. [04:33] (but ichthux is only semi-official so I'm not sure it matters). [04:34] * Ryan52 has never heard of ichthux [04:34] how do you have a distro specifically for christians? [04:34] I mean, what's the difference from normal kubuntu? [04:35] Ryan52, different theme, different package selection. [04:35] it has default Bible software [04:36] there's also some stuff for churches (lyric projection software, etc.) [04:40] ah. [04:40] does it have additional packages from normal ubuntu? [04:40] nevermind. [04:40] Ryan52, apt-cache show ichthux-desktop [04:40] * Ryan52 saw the instructions and figured it out himself :p [04:41] Hobbsee: when you mentioned fixing the link on bug #311415 you were talking about the wikipedia link? [04:41] Launchpad bug 311415 in kubuntu-meta "Add the droid fonts and make it the default for Kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311415 [04:41] duanedesign, if he isn't you should fix that too :) [04:41] duanedesign: yes [04:41] Ryan52: she, but yes ;) [04:41] Hobbsee, sorry :) [04:42] Ryan52: no problem ;) [04:42] Hobbsee: hola! [04:42] hey there LaserJock! [04:44] Hobbsee: how's AU doing? [04:46] LaserJock: pretty good :) [04:46] LaserJock: i've seen some christmas madness and such, so that was entertaining [04:46] Hobbsee: is it pretty warm? [04:47] 28C today. cooler previously [04:51] nice [04:51] it was -18 C or so at my parents [04:52] darn it, how do I change a locale for a program [04:52] I'd like to use italian [04:54] Hobbsee: thank you for your help! [04:55] duanedesign: you're welcome :) [04:55] persia, I don't have an ubuntu system handy, and I was too lazy to look at packages.ubuntu.com :p [04:55] * persia has trouble imagining not having an ubuntu system handy :) [04:56] hehe [04:56] dude, I totally wiped my Ubuntu partition the other day by accident [04:56] LaserJock, start it with LANG=name-of-locale? [04:59] hmm, perhaps I've got the wrong lang pack [05:00] LaserJock, How are you installing them? Are you using the Language Support tool? [05:00] I did [05:00] but this is a Qt app, I wonder if I need the kde lang pack [05:00] You probably do. [05:01] Actually, is it in main? [05:01] yep [05:01] the lang packs only cover Main, right? [05:02] Right. From what I understand, there will be some new seed-based langpack structure in a few months, but currently main/universe also means langpack'd/non-langpack'd. === PrivateVoid_ is now known as PrivateVoid [05:02] grrr, still english [05:03] afaict it doesn't respect LANG.. [05:03] Did you log in in Italian? [05:03] no [05:03] Try that: it helps with some applications. [05:03] since I don't know italian I was trying to just start the one app in Italian [05:03] it == kde stuff [05:04] persia, what do those do differently? [05:05] (noting that I haven't hacked on KDE in 8 or so years): I believe it sets the default resources to have the desired language, so that applications using the KDE bindings rather than LANG also get the desired language. [05:07] well, this reporter says that LC_NUMERIC=C fixes the problem [05:07] so I assume that LC_NUMERIC at least works [05:08] LaserJock, thanks, I'll look. [05:09] well, I feel dumb [05:09] I just went into the preferences and there it was [05:09] heh [05:16] LaserJock, I tried setting that also and it didn't work...but thanks anyway. [05:16] LaserJock made me remember about a bug I need to fix :) [05:22] woot, 4 bugs closed [05:23] Have an acheivment [05:31] persia: do you if it is easy to change the default resource? :) [05:32] Ryan52, I don't remember at all. Sorry. I would expect it to be just an API call. [05:35] arg. not what I wanted to hear :). anyway, thanks. [05:38] 0.o. kdm doesn't even let you choose your language. [06:06] a request to change the default font size would be assigned to which package? [06:08] duanedesign, In what context? The system default? For which desktop environment? [06:09] Bug #310353 [06:09] Launchpad bug 310353 in gnome-control-center "Default font size too large" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/310353 [06:10] That's the right package for the GNOME environment. [06:10] thank you [06:11] duanedesign, That doesn't belong on brainstorm, really. [06:11] The right answer is to fix the bug that GNOME assumes 96 DPI. [06:12] I have screens from about 300 DPI down to about 75, and the default isn't right for any of them, really. [06:12] I'd just dup 310353 into 157398. [06:13] There's work ongoing to achieve this, but it's not something that will be done in Ubuntu. [06:13] it is the second one i came across. I noticed the brainstorm entry was getting lots of negative feedback. thought it would give them an idea of how well/or not their idea was being recieved. [06:13] Thank you for the help:) [06:14] Well, font size isn't the way to fix that. [06:14] agreed [06:16] is their ever a case someone should be directed to brainstorm? the wiki under bug/responses suggest that An idea to improve Ubuntu should be discussed there [06:17] There are some cases. Redirection to brainstorm is appropriate if 1) the idea is large enough to not fit as a bug against a single package, 2) the idea is well defined enough to be useful, and 3) the idea has not already been rejected by Ubuntu developers. [06:18] lol, number 2 would weed out alot [06:18] Yep. [06:19] On the other hand, telling people about 2 often separates those who are willing to put a little thought into something from those who are just complaining. [06:20] I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Alot of people have been really helpfull [06:20] If someone wants to think about something, and and describe it well enough to get other people thinking, it becomes a useful idea. [06:23] I am reading a book that touches on that."If you cant tell me what you would like to be happening you dont have a problem yet, you are just complaining,""A problem only exist if there is a difference between what is actually happening and what you desire to be happening." [06:24] Precisely. [06:25] That doesn't mean that there isn't a problem if one is unhappy with the status quo, only that the problem is unlikely to lead to a solution unless an alternative is described. [06:26] Brainstorm allows people to vote on the alternatives, so that we can identify solutions that will work for everyone. [06:28] ahh, yes that makes sense [06:32] Alot of people have been very helpfull in here. I have only been doing bug triage for about 4 or 5 weeks. I want to get 'up to speed' as fast as possible. Not only to help as much as I can but also I want to make sure peoples bug submitting experience is positive. That way they will continue to do so in the future. [06:48] darn it, I wish it was easier to see the original reporter [06:49] I keep thinking the first person to comment is the reporter and sometimes end up saying some stupid things ;-) [06:50] they need to add a edit comment feature [06:50] No, editing comments has all sorts of repurcussions better avoided. [06:50] It's just that the reporter being above the tasks gets confusing. [06:54] would it be right to mark the open bugs of a package that no longer exists in Jaunty as won't fix? [06:56] I usually just mark them Invalid, rather than wontfix, but either works. Just be sure to note in the comment that the bug is being closed because the package is goine. [06:57] Also, check to see if the package is superceded by another package: often the bugs needs to be migrated when a package name changes. [06:58] alright thanks [07:35] Bug #311395 [07:35] Launchpad bug 311395 in ubuntu "[regression] There is no way to set a shortcut key for the shutdown dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311395 [07:35] Can someone please mark this "wishlist" ? [07:37] itnet7, done [07:37] itnet7, It still needs a package though (gnome-control-center) [07:37] Also, should get a status. [07:38] Thanks Persia, I will add it, what should I change the status to? [07:38] Please. [07:38] Also, I'm not sure that belongs on brainstorm. [07:38] It's fairly small, and well defined. [07:39] Yeah, I read what you wrote above... didn't notice in time :-) [07:39] I will keep that in mind when posting the generic responses. [07:42] persia, should I update the status to confirmed or in progress? [07:43] Well, it should only be in-progress if someone is actively working to fix it. [07:43] Whether it should be confirmed or not depends on whether you can confirm it's a bug. [07:43] makes sense [07:44] I can confirm what he stated... but to me it isn't as important to be able bind a key to shutdown like that... I always found that to be dangerous :-) [07:44] So you'd suggest that the binding is missing, but feel it should not be enabled by default? [07:45] Exactly.. that way it is present for someone else that may want the feature, or the ability to easily bind it [07:46] I do remember it prior to the logout/shutdown being split === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 === psleigha2 is now known as pleia2 === Richie is now known as WelshDragon === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [21:27] Hi, can someone tell me where I can find out a history of recent updates? _ i think recently a locale bug has been brought into 8.10 and 8.04 [21:27] and I would like to file a report against it with some accuracy [21:28] basically it is right now impossible to run a application in a different locale than the gnome main one, while in the past this was easy with "export LC_ALL=new_locale; myprogram [21:36] look at /var/log/dpkg.log [21:36] it'll show you what you've upgraded/installed recently. [21:37] thanks. I thinkk I have narrowed it down to login on the 11 December and OpenOffice on the 9th [21:49] if an apport bug has an essentially blank retrace and the report is "donno, just crashed" should I close it? [22:31] hey guys, hope you all had a good xmas - those that do xmas anyway :) [22:32] bdmurray: I won't be triaging for quite a while I've been in hospital a lot recently, sorry to let you down, but just so you know in case you see that I haven't been "bothering". [22:32] I have a problem though I'm trying to upgrade to Jaunty alpha I keep getting W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [22:32] , W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/Release Unable to find expected entry partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) [22:32] , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. [22:32] dude man, take care of yourself, don't worry, there will always be bugs [22:34] thanks castro :) [22:36] well thought i should let ya all know, have a good new year guys and keep up the good work i'll be back when i can take care === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === x-spec-t is now known as Spec