[03:59] <duanedesign> could someone pleae take a look at Bug #311458. I think it needs to be set to 'wishlist' thank you in advance.
[04:00]  * Ryan52 looks
[04:02] <Ryan52> ya, it should also be reassigned to a "real" package...whatever it is that installs stuff. (is tasksel used on the livecd also, or just the alternate?)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-meta
[04:02] <Hobbsee> if you're wanting to change what gets put on the cds
[04:02] <Hobbsee> it's not a tasksel (or variants) bug
[04:03]  * Hobbsee looks at brainstorm crack.
[04:04] <Ryan52> duanedesign: okay, I set it.
[04:04] <duanedesign> Ryan52: thank you, yet again:)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> !info rss-glx
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hmmm.
[04:17] <duanedesign> ok, bug  #311415 I set  it to Kubuntu-meta. it is a request for a font to be added to kubuntu. Could someone set it to 'wishlist' please. Thank you
[04:18] <Hobbsee> you could always fix the link on that, too...
[04:20] <duanedesign> k
[04:20] <LaserJock> if a .crash file is attached but it's not very useful (missing debugging symbols) what should I do?
[04:22] <persia> LaserJock, You can manually use apport-retrace, or ask the submitter to re-crash, and use apport to file the bug.
[04:23] <LaserJock> they said it was a once-off crash
[04:23] <LaserJock> I'm wondering if I should just close it
[04:24] <persia> Is the crash with the current version, or an old version?
[04:25] <LaserJock> old
[04:25] <LaserJock> it was reported in 2007
[04:25] <persia> Yeah: close it, with a note asking to please submit .crash files with apport in the future.
[04:26] <persia> With considerable effort, we could extract the crash, and hunt it, but there's a decent chance the code has changed since.
[04:26] <persia> Further, because it was a once-off crash, it will be very hard to replicate.
[04:29] <LaserJock> yep, I certainly couldn't reproduce it
[04:30] <LaserJock> hmm
[04:30] <LaserJock> on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Missing%20a%20crash%20report%20or%20having%20a%20.crash%20attachment it says to use apport-qt if you're running Xubuntu
[04:30] <LaserJock> shouldn't Xubuntu use apport-gtk?
[04:31] <persia> Probably.
[04:31] <LaserJock> would I get shot if I changed it?
[04:32] <persia> I'd say apport-qt should only be used by kubuntu, CLI by server and mythbuntu, and apport-gtk by everyone else.
[04:32] <persia> Probably not.
[04:33] <persia> I take that back: mythbuntu should probably use -gtk as well.
[04:33] <persia> Only kubuntu and server are special.
[04:33] <persia> Err, rather kubuntu, ichthux, and server.
[04:33] <persia> (but ichthux is only semi-official so I'm not sure it matters).
[04:34]  * Ryan52 has never heard of ichthux
[04:34] <Ryan52> how do you have a distro specifically for christians?
[04:34] <Ryan52> I mean, what's the difference from normal kubuntu?
[04:35] <persia> Ryan52, different theme, different package selection.
[04:35] <LaserJock> it has default Bible software
[04:36] <LaserJock> there's also some stuff for churches (lyric projection software, etc.)
[04:40] <Ryan52> ah.
[04:40] <Ryan52> does it have additional packages from normal ubuntu?
[04:40] <Ryan52> nevermind.
[04:40] <persia> Ryan52, apt-cache show ichthux-desktop
[04:40]  * Ryan52 saw the instructions and figured it out himself :p
[04:41] <duanedesign> Hobbsee: when you mentioned fixing the link on bug #311415 you were talking about the wikipedia link?
[04:41] <Ryan52> duanedesign, if he isn't you should fix that too :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> duanedesign: yes
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Ryan52: she, but yes ;)
[04:41] <Ryan52> Hobbsee, sorry :)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Ryan52: no problem ;)
[04:42] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: hola!
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hey there LaserJock!
[04:44] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: how's AU doing?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: pretty good :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i've seen some christmas madness and such, so that was entertaining
[04:46] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: is it pretty warm?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> 28C today.  cooler previously
[04:51] <LaserJock> nice
[04:51] <LaserJock> it was -18 C or so at my parents
[04:52] <LaserJock> darn it, how do I change a locale for a program
[04:52] <LaserJock> I'd like to use italian
[04:54] <duanedesign> Hobbsee: thank you for your help!
[04:55] <Hobbsee> duanedesign: you're welcome :)
[04:55] <Ryan52> persia, I don't have an ubuntu system handy, and I was too lazy to look at packages.ubuntu.com :p
[04:55]  * persia has trouble imagining not having an ubuntu system handy :)
[04:56] <Ryan52> hehe
[04:56] <LaserJock> dude, I totally wiped my Ubuntu partition the other day by accident
[04:56] <Ryan52> LaserJock, start it with LANG=name-of-locale?
[04:59] <LaserJock> hmm, perhaps I've got the wrong lang pack
[05:00] <persia> LaserJock, How are you installing them?  Are you using the Language Support tool?
[05:00] <LaserJock> I did
[05:00] <LaserJock> but this is a Qt app, I wonder if I need the kde lang pack
[05:00] <persia> You probably do.
[05:01] <persia> Actually, is it in main?
[05:01] <LaserJock> yep
[05:01] <LaserJock> the lang packs only cover Main, right?
[05:02] <persia> Right.  From what I understand, there will be some new seed-based langpack structure in a few months, but currently main/universe also means langpack'd/non-langpack'd.
[05:02] <LaserJock> grrr, still english
[05:03] <Ryan52> afaict it doesn't respect LANG..
[05:03] <persia> Did you log in in Italian?
[05:03] <LaserJock> no
[05:03] <persia> Try that: it helps with some applications.
[05:03] <LaserJock> since I don't know italian I was trying to just start the one app in Italian
[05:03] <Ryan52> it == kde stuff
[05:04] <Ryan52> persia, what do those do differently?
[05:05] <persia> (noting that I haven't hacked on KDE in 8 or so years): I believe it sets the default resources to have the desired language, so that applications using the KDE bindings rather than LANG also get the desired language.
[05:07] <LaserJock> well, this reporter says that LC_NUMERIC=C fixes the problem
[05:07] <LaserJock> so I assume that LC_NUMERIC at least works
[05:08] <Ryan52> LaserJock, thanks, I'll look.
[05:09] <LaserJock> well, I feel dumb
[05:09] <LaserJock> I just went into the preferences and there it was
[05:09] <Ryan52> heh
[05:16] <Ryan52> LaserJock, I tried setting that also and it didn't work...but thanks anyway.
[05:16] <Ryan52> LaserJock made me remember about a bug I need to fix :)
[05:22] <LaserJock> woot, 4 bugs closed
[05:23] <Pfiffer> Have an acheivment
[05:31] <Ryan52> persia: do you if it is easy to change the default resource? :)
[05:32] <persia> Ryan52, I don't remember at all.  Sorry.  I would expect it to be just an API call.
[05:35] <Ryan52> arg. not what I wanted to hear :). anyway, thanks.
[05:38] <Ryan52> 0.o. kdm doesn't even let you choose your language.
[06:06] <duanedesign> a request to change the default font size would be assigned to which package?
[06:08] <persia> duanedesign, In what context?  The system default?  For which desktop environment?
[06:09] <duanedesign> Bug #310353
[06:10] <persia> That's the right package for the GNOME environment.
[06:10] <duanedesign> thank you
[06:11] <persia> duanedesign, That doesn't belong on brainstorm, really.
[06:11] <persia> The right answer is to fix the bug that GNOME assumes 96 DPI.
[06:12] <persia> I have screens from about 300 DPI down to about 75, and the default isn't right for any of them, really.
[06:12] <persia> I'd just dup 310353 into 157398.
[06:13] <persia> There's work ongoing to achieve this, but it's not something that will be done in Ubuntu.
[06:13] <duanedesign> it is the second one i came across. I noticed the brainstorm entry was getting lots of negative feedback. thought it would give them an idea of how well/or not their idea was being recieved.
[06:13] <duanedesign> Thank you for the help:)
[06:14] <persia> Well, font size isn't the way to fix that.
[06:14] <duanedesign> agreed
[06:16] <duanedesign> is their ever a case someone should be directed to brainstorm? the wiki under bug/responses suggest that An idea to improve Ubuntu should be discussed there
[06:17] <persia> There are some cases.  Redirection to brainstorm is appropriate if 1) the idea is large enough to not fit as a bug against a single package, 2) the idea is well defined enough to be useful, and 3) the idea has not already been rejected by Ubuntu developers.
[06:18] <duanedesign> lol, number 2 would weed out alot
[06:18] <persia> Yep.
[06:19] <persia> On the other hand, telling people about 2 often separates those who are willing to put a little thought into something from those who are just complaining.
[06:20] <duanedesign> I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Alot of people have been really helpfull
[06:20] <persia> If someone wants to think about something, and and describe it well enough to get other people thinking, it becomes a useful idea.
[06:23] <duanedesign> I am reading a book that touches on that."If you cant tell me what you would like to be happening you dont have a problem yet, you are just complaining,""A problem only exist if there is a difference between what is actually happening and what you desire to be happening."
[06:24] <persia> Precisely.
[06:25] <persia> That doesn't mean that there isn't a problem if one is unhappy with the status quo, only that the problem is unlikely to lead to a solution unless an alternative is described.
[06:26] <persia> Brainstorm allows people to vote on the alternatives, so that we can identify solutions that will work for everyone.
[06:28] <duanedesign> ahh, yes that makes sense
[06:32] <duanedesign> Alot of people have been very helpfull in here. I have only been doing bug triage for about 4 or 5 weeks. I want to get 'up to speed' as fast as possible. Not only to help as much as I can but also I want to make sure peoples bug submitting experience is positive. That way they will continue to do so in the future.
[06:48] <LaserJock> darn it, I wish it was easier to see the original reporter
[06:49] <LaserJock> I keep thinking the first person to comment is the reporter and sometimes end up saying some stupid things ;-)
[06:50] <duanedesign> they need to add a edit comment feature
[06:50] <persia> No, editing comments has all sorts of repurcussions better avoided.
[06:50] <persia> It's just that the reporter being above the tasks gets confusing.
[06:54] <nellery> would it be right to mark the open bugs of a package that no longer exists in Jaunty as won't fix?
[06:56] <persia> I usually just mark them Invalid, rather than wontfix, but either works.  Just be sure to note in the comment that the bug is being closed because the package is goine.
[06:57] <persia> Also, check to see if the package is superceded by another package: often the bugs needs to be migrated when a package name changes.
[06:58] <nellery> alright thanks
[07:35] <itnet7> Bug #311395
[07:35] <itnet7> Can someone please mark this "wishlist" ?
[07:37] <persia> itnet7, done
[07:37] <persia> itnet7, It still needs a package though (gnome-control-center)
[07:37] <persia> Also, should get a status.
[07:38] <itnet7> Thanks Persia, I will add it, what should I change the status to?
[07:38] <persia> Please.
[07:38] <persia> Also, I'm not sure that belongs on brainstorm.
[07:38] <persia> It's fairly small, and well defined.
[07:39] <itnet7> Yeah, I read what you wrote above... didn't notice in time :-)
[07:39] <itnet7> I will keep that in mind when posting the generic responses.
[07:42] <itnet7>  persia, should I update the status to confirmed or in progress?
[07:43] <persia> Well, it should only be in-progress if someone is actively working to fix it.
[07:43] <persia> Whether it should be confirmed or not depends on whether you can confirm it's a bug.
[07:43] <itnet7> makes sense
[07:44] <itnet7> I can confirm what he stated... but to me it isn't as important to be able bind a key to shutdown like that... I always found that to be dangerous :-)
[07:44] <persia> So you'd suggest that the binding is missing, but feel it should not be enabled by default?
[07:45] <itnet7> Exactly.. that way it is present for someone else that may want the feature, or the ability to easily bind it
[07:46] <itnet7> I do remember it prior to the logout/shutdown being split
[21:27] <refdoc> Hi, can someone tell me where I can find out a history of recent updates? _ i think recently a locale bug has been brought into 8.10 and 8.04
[21:27] <refdoc> and I would like to file a report against it with some accuracy
[21:28] <refdoc> basically it is right now impossible to run a application in a different locale than the gnome main one, while in the past this was easy with "export LC_ALL=new_locale; myprogram
[21:36] <Ryan52> look at /var/log/dpkg.log
[21:36] <Ryan52> it'll show you what you've upgraded/installed recently.
[21:37] <refdoc> thanks. I thinkk I have narrowed it down to login on the 11 December and OpenOffice on the 9th
[21:49] <LaserJock> if an apport bug has an essentially blank retrace and the report is "donno, just crashed" should I close it?
[22:31] <xteejx> hey guys, hope you all had a good xmas - those that do xmas anyway :)
[22:32] <xteejx> bdmurray: I won't be triaging for quite a while I've been in hospital a lot recently, sorry to let you down, but just so you know in case you see that I haven't been "bothering".
[22:32] <xteejx> I have a problem though I'm trying to upgrade to Jaunty alpha I keep getting W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-updates/Release  Unable to find expected entry  partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[22:32] <xteejx> , W:Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty-security/Release  Unable to find expected entry  partner/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[22:32] <xteejx> , E:Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:32] <jcastro> dude man, take care of yourself, don't worry, there will always be bugs
[22:34] <xteejx> thanks castro :)
[22:36] <xteejx> well thought i should let ya all know, have a good new year guys and keep up the good work i'll be back when i can take care