/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/26/#xubuntu.txt

moof_how do i get xubuntu to work with my wireless card?00:12
Shaba1pray moof00:13
Shaba1But really00:13
Shaba1My intenal adapter on my laptop was picked up and turned on autoMAGICALLY by xubuntu.00:14
Shaba1with windows I have to manually press a button on the laptop to get it to turn on.00:14
moof_supposedly my wireless card is compatible with xubuntu, (have the drivers and everything) but xubuntu sees things another way i guess.00:15
moof_wifi-radar keeps telling me that i actually don't have a wireless card.00:16
Shaba1hmmm00:20
Shaba1I have not idea moof_00:20
Shaba1I am just glad that mine works.00:20
Shaba1I use wicd Becasue I read somewhere on some page that it was better then nm-applet00:20
knomewhat is wifi-radar?00:20
Shaba1Well that worked fine in the previous version of xubuntu before I upgraded to 8.0400:21
knomeShaba1, for most people, nm-applet should work ok. honestly.00:21
Shaba1Now it works but I do not get a icon for signal strength on my status bar/panel00:21
knomei know many people disliking it for several reasons, starting from some decisions made by the developers on how to make it "better"00:21
Shaba1I think its a programming error with wicd though00:21
knomebut that's offtopic already00:22
Shaba1true knome00:22
moof_honestly i'm a total linux newbie, i'm sort of looking for a windows-esque wireless network utility.00:30
knomemoof_, what's wrong with nm-applet?00:30
knomeit's quite straightforward00:31
moof_ok, i'll install nm-applet00:31
moof_i'll be right back with the results00:31
knomeit should be installed by default in xubuntu00:31
knomeand running00:31
moof_run program nm-applet?00:32
knomeyep.00:32
knomethen you should have an icon in the system tray00:32
moof_when i run nm-applet nothing happens.00:33
knomedo you have system tray in your panel?00:34
moof_all i have is applications and places00:34
moof_if i'm understanding your question right00:34
knomeok, add system tray00:34
moof_it says that i already have system tray but i don't see it.00:35
knomehmm.00:35
knomean icon with two monitors?00:35
moof_ah, yes.00:36
knomeit is nm-applet00:36
moof_wired network connection00:36
knomeyes.00:36
moof_yep i have that00:36
moof_sorry for my ineptitude00:36
knomenm-applet doesn't want to connect with wifi if you have wired connection00:36
knomebut once disconnected, see what happens if you left-click the icon00:37
knomeor you could click it now00:37
moof_ok, so disconnect from my network?00:37
knomebasically you should do that, yes00:37
knomeactually eh00:38
knomenope00:38
knomelooks like they've patched this00:38
knomenow you can connect to wired *and* wifi00:38
moof_well i just disconnected.00:38
moof_what now?00:38
knomeif you left-click the icon, you should see a list of available networks00:38
moof_left click vpn connections, configure vpn?00:39
knomenope.00:39
knomethere should be a list00:39
moof_all i have is "wired network" and that's it.00:39
moof_no, none.00:39
knomeif you right-click, is wireless enabled?00:39
moof_if i right click all i have is a checkbox for "enable networking" and "edit connections"00:39
knomeok.00:40
knomeyou used ndiswrapper, right?00:40
moof_no, i already have a driver for my wireless card installed00:40
knomehow?00:40
moof_i didn't think ndiswrapper would be necesary00:40
knome(and what is the carD)00:41
moof_atheros 802.1100:42
knomehow did you set up the drivers?00:43
moof_applications > system > hardware drivers00:44
moof_when i selected it that was the only driver i had on my system.00:45
knomewhich driver is it?00:45
moof_also i installed hostapd and madwofi-tools00:45
moof_madwifi-tools00:45
moof_*00:45
moof_"support for Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards.00:46
moof_and "Support for 5xxx series of Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards"00:46
knomemoof_, what output does 'iwconfig' give in terminal?00:47
moof_every one says "no wireless extensions."00:48
knomeok, so somehow it is not recognised00:48
knomedid you boot after installing the drivers?00:48
moof_not immediately afterwards but i did about an hour after installation.00:48
knomeyeah ok00:49
moof_just out of curiosity how would i find out my wireless card again?00:49
knome'lspci' / 'lshw'00:50
moof_yep it's the atheros00:51
knomecan you paste the complete card name/model00:51
moof_"01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)00:52
knomehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=76616900:55
knomehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=86377700:55
knomehave you read those through?00:55
moof_what's the xubuntu equivalent of the "system" menu?00:58
moof_like i said, all i have is applications and places.00:59
knomemoof_, applications -> system01:00
moof_can i just sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper?01:02
knomei have no experiences on ndiswrapper and don't know if it would help.01:02
knomejust had a quick look on the forums01:02
moof_yeah you're probably right. after all it says i DO have the driver.01:02
moof_i can't see how ndiswrapper could help me with this.01:03
moof_if it helps i'm using an Eee PC, however i'm not using the modified Eee xubuntu.01:09
Shaba1Ok I cannot help01:11
Shaba1but what is Eee PC?01:11
knomemoof_, a-ha!01:12
knomemoof_, see this: http://array.org/ubuntu/01:12
knomemoof_, afaik, the 2.6.27- series doesn't work. might as well. i'm running 2.6.24- on my eeepc on intrepid.01:13
knomeShaba1, it is a small pc.01:14
moof_sorry i'm dense, what exactly does that mean i have to do?01:14
knomeShaba1, http://array.org/ubuntu/01:14
Shaba1huh?01:15
knomemoof_, add the repository(-ies) to your ubuntu installation and install the eeepc-kernel packages01:15
Shaba1What was that knome01:15
knomeShaba1, wrong link. ;) right one: http://eeepc.asus.com/global/index.html01:15
Shaba1was that about my panel icon issue01:15
Shaba1oh ok01:15
knomethat is eeepc.01:15
Shaba1I just wanted to know what it was01:15
knomeShaba1, what was your panel icon issue? :)01:16
squeeeHi, I was thinking about installing xubuntu, and tried running it using the disc before installation, and I'm stuck at a command prompt, should I reset and try again, or try the command to start up the desktop(which I forgot)?01:19
knomesqueee, this might be a known bug or some problems.01:19
knomesqueee, "startx"01:19
squeee"xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server" and errno 301:21
moof_alright, let's see (hope) this works :(01:34
moof_dang, no dice01:36
moof_that should've worked01:36
Shaba1the wicd icon does not show up in that top panel02:01
Shaba1althougth Iknow the program is working since I can get online02:01
knomeShaba1, ah, that one..02:03
Shaba1yep that one02:12
Shaba1I will figure it out02:12
Shaba1it does not matter since the program still works02:12
Shaba1but i just like to have things the way they were suppose to be02:12
knomesure02:13
moof_ok knome i installed the eeepc custom kernel from the site you gave me.02:14
moof_now wifi-radar and other wifi based applications should work?02:14
knomemoof_, when you boot, make sure the eeepc-kernel is selected in grub02:14
knomeafter that - they should02:14
moof_yep i got that02:14
moof_"no wifi-device found. exiting."02:15
moof_christ.02:15
knomewhich kernel did you select?02:15
knome/you have02:15
moof_the eeepc kernel02:15
knomewhich kernel version number? ;)02:16
moof_dunno, let me restart02:16
knomeno!02:16
knome:)02:16
knome'uname -a' in terminal02:16
knomeor 'uname -r' for the kernel revision only02:16
moof_linux ubuntu 2.6.27-8-eeepc02:17
knomeok02:17
knometry to add the hardy repository02:17
knomeand install 2.6.24-*02:17
knomeand use that02:17
moof_so you want me to install hardy?02:18
moof_because i was using intrepid before.02:18
knomenope02:18
knomejust add the hardy repository02:18
moof_how do i do that?02:18
moof_sorry.. hah02:18
knomelike you added the intrepid one02:18
knome;)02:18
moof_ok.02:18
moof_so you want me to add the hardy kernel?02:19
knomeyes, that is what i'm doing02:19
moof_will that still be compatible with my computer02:19
moof_if everything else is intreped02:19
knomeshould. if not, just choose other kernel in grub. :)02:19
moof_alright, i'll try it.02:19
moof_thanks for all of your help by the way02:19
knomeit works for me so i'm relatively sure it's ok02:19
moof_be right back.02:19
knomenp02:19
moof_http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy.html02:21
moof_do i need to follow all of the instructions are only down to the download eeepc kernel?02:21
moof_or*02:21
knomelet me have a look02:21
knomesuppose you could just D/L the kernel here: http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html02:22
knomeand install the deb package02:22
knomebut just adding the repository and installing the package is also ok02:22
knomeyou get the same result, basically02:23
sikunwhy would a the load avg of my laptop be in the 5's ?02:24
knomesikun, you're running some cpu consuming processes?02:24
knomeor your cpu sucks02:25
knome;)02:25
sikunoh hell.. i just got this laptop.. it overheats02:25
sikunruns like a POS02:25
sikuni'm about ready to throw it out a window02:25
knomesikun, you can see 'top', 'htop' or 'powertop' (you might need to install the latter two)02:25
sikunye02:26
moof_ok so knome02:26
knomemoof_, yes?02:26
moof_i'm going to be right back with the results02:27
moof_(hopefully)02:27
moof_so don't go anywhere02:27
knomesure. i will be here.02:27
squeeeSo I used the CD self scan and it said it found errors in 18 files, is that a problem with the .iso?02:35
knomesqueee, or the burning process.02:35
squeeeWell, I was hoping that there was a confirmed problem with the iso because I can't do much about the burning02:36
knomedid you check the checksums02:37
squeeeDon't know how02:37
knome!checksum02:37
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about checksum02:37
knomesqueee, you need to check it in windows?02:38
squeeeWhat am I checking? The iso?02:39
knomesqueee, the checksum. do you have ubuntu installed somewhere or do you need to check it in windows?02:39
knomesqueee, and yes, the is02:39
knomeo02:39
squeeeThen I need to do it in windows02:39
knomehttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso#checksum02:39
knomesqueee, see that ^02:40
squeeeI'm running Vista, I don't have that directory02:43
moof_hey02:43
knomemoof_, hello. it works or not?02:43
moof_knome when i try to install it it just says that the new version of intrepid is up to date02:44
knomea-ha..02:44
moof_i did everything in the instructions.02:44
moof_but i did notice that the commands for installing both would be the same02:44
knomeso you went from synaptic?02:46
knomemoof_, ^ ...or?02:47
moof_sorry, synaptic?02:47
knomebasically you *should* be able to install several kernel versions with *no* problem02:47
knomemoof_, how did you try to install the package? D/Ld it and double clicked?02:48
moof_i followed the instructions on the site you showed me02:48
knomehttp://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html - this one?02:49
moof_yeah.02:49
knomeso at which point did you get that output?02:49
moof_after sudo apt-get install linux-eeepc02:50
knomeah.02:51
knomeyou should already have the older kernel02:51
knomeyou only needed the first 7 steps02:51
knomei should've been more verbose :)02:51
knomein grub, do you see the 2.6.24-* kernel?02:52
moof_i can reboot and check?02:52
knomesure.02:53
moof_k, rebooting.02:53
moof_all i get in grub are 2.6.27-9-generic and recovery 27-9-eeepc and recovery and 27-7-generic and recovery02:55
moof_and memtest86+02:55
knomehmm..02:56
knomeapps -> system -> synaptic02:56
knomesearch for "linux-image". what gives?02:57
knome(you should see 2.6.24-* as installed)02:57
moof_should i boot in the eeepc kernel?02:57
knomenot necessary.02:57
moof_well i need to boot in something02:58
knomenope.02:58
knomejust go to synaptic and search02:58
moof_what am i searching in synaptic?03:00
knome'linux-image'03:00
moof_ok searched03:00
moof_top i have linux-image-debug-38603:00
moof_linux-image03:00
moof_moblin-image-creator03:01
moof_etc03:01
knomeyeah. anything which has something to do with 2.6.24 ? :)03:01
moof_no03:03
moof_jumps from 2.6.25 to 2.6.2303:03
knomeok, do you have the .deb packages still somewhere03:03
knome(on the eeepc)03:03
moof_how would i go about finding that out?03:04
moof_(sorry for noobish-ness once again)03:04
knomeyou downloaded them from that page? and saved to somewhere, right?03:04
knome(most possibly ~/Desktop, where ~ is /home/yourusername)03:05
moof_no, i never downloaded anything from the page03:05
knomea-ha!03:05
moof_i just used the terminal03:05
knomeok, you need the packages03:05
knomeDownload, step 2.03:05
moof_oh wow.03:06
moof_http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html03:06
knomeand then with terminal, proceed to the directory with them03:06
moof_so do everything on that page?03:06
knomeand supply command at 5.03:07
knomethat's what you need.03:07
knome2. and 5.03:07
knomebasically.03:07
knomejust forget everything else03:07
moof_alright03:07
moof_i'll let you know what happens03:07
moof_brb03:07
knomeand then just boot and look for the 2.6.24-* kernel in grub03:07
moof_is it necessary to put the file it requested i download on a flash drive?03:09
knomeno.03:09
knomejust put it *anywhere*03:09
moof_ok, so just download it?03:09
knomeyes.03:09
moof_ok, it's all downloaded03:12
moof_now sudo dpkg -i linux-image*.deb linux-ubuntu-modules*.deb ?03:12
knomeyes, in the dir the files are03:13
moof_ok i know this is going to piss you off, and i'm sorry, but the files i downloaded are on the desktop. how do i go to that location?03:15
moof_i really am a newbie.03:15
moof_haha03:15
knomein terminal, just type 'cd Desktop' (note the casing)03:15
moof_ok, thanks03:16
moof_:)03:16
moof_ok it's running.03:16
moof_be back after restart03:16
knomeyeah.03:17
moof_still no 2.6.24 in grub03:18
moof_is that indicative of anything?03:19
knomereally?03:19
knomehmm.03:19
knomemaybe try again and paste the output of dpkg in ...03:19
knome!pastebin03:19
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)03:19
moof_ok03:19
linuxman410i use xubuntu on my main computer i do not use windows is that safe03:25
moof_http://paste.ubuntu.com/9302003:26
knomea-ha!03:26
moof_hmm?03:27
knomemoof_, maybe try dpkg -i linux-image*.deb03:27
knomemoof_, and then linux-ubuntu-modules-*.deb03:27
moof_"error processing linux-image*.deb (--install): cannot access archive: no such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image*.deb03:29
knomemoof_, cd Desktop?03:29
moof_yes.03:29
knomea-ha yes i se03:30
linuxman410does anyone here use xubuntu as main desktop03:30
knomelinuxman410, yes.03:30
knomemoof_, you sure you downloaded *both* of the fileS?03:30
moof_here i think i know what's wrong.03:30
moof_be right back.03:30
knomenp.03:30
knomei'm starting to be a bit unfocused unwillingly since it's 5:30am03:32
moof_what time zone are you in knome?03:32
linuxman410does preload work on xubuntu03:32
knomelinuxman410, preload?03:32
knomemoof_, utc+2 (finlanf)03:33
knome*finland03:33
linuxman410yeah i read about it on a linux user group website it makes ubuntu boot faster03:33
knomelinuxman410, it will work on xubuntu then.03:33
moof_are you a native fin?03:34
knomelinuxman410, the basic architecture is the same, xubuntu just uses xfce as desktop instead of gnome (+ some other minor differences)03:34
knomemoof_, yes :)03:34
moof_your english is excellent.03:34
moof_i thought you were american or british. hah.03:34
knomethanks.03:34
knomeoh, heh03:34
linuxman410i have done converted  2 of my neighbors to using xubuntu and ubuntu03:35
knomei'm better at writing/reading than speaking/listening though it works ok as well03:35
knomelinuxman410, great to hear.03:35
moof_that's normal for europeans and asians.03:36
moof_normally because they're taught english through books rather than speaking03:36
moof_ok, restarting.03:36
knomemoof_, yeah. but my english always gets better when i'm abroad for a few days03:36
moof_let's see what grub says this time.03:36
knomegood luck :)03:37
linuxman410i like xubuntu it runs good on my p403:37
moof_certainly, hah.03:37
moof_knome, when do you normally go to bed anyway?03:40
knomemoof_, too late. :D03:40
linuxman410the slowest machine i got it to run on was a 500mhz with 256 ram03:40
knomemoof_, normally as in when i have to wake up, about 2am03:40
knomemoof_, or 1am. :)03:40
moof_haha03:41
moof_got the day off i'm assuming?03:41
knomelinuxman410, you can run it with even lower specs, but it will be slow03:41
moof_xubuntu will run on anything03:41
moof_it's really amazing in that regard03:41
knomemoof_, christmas holidays until mid january03:41
linuxman410wow i did not know that03:41
knomethe older xubuntu versions run with older pcs better03:42
knome8.10 really needs 256 ram to be at least somehow usable03:42
kebi like 7.04 for old machines03:42
knomekeb, not a bad choice ;)03:42
linuxman410i am running it on p4 1.8 and 1 gig of ram and dvd burner and 40 gig harddrive03:43
knomethat's way over the min specs03:43
moof_agh my eeepc is running dual systems, linux and xubuntu because i don't have a flash drive at the moment (haha) and eeepcs don't have cd drives03:44
linuxman410it runs good though03:44
kebby "old" i mean p3 700 with 384MB03:44
moof_lol, *windows and xubuntu03:44
moof_sorry, i'm tired too i guess.03:44
knomei'm running amd64 dual-cpu 4600+ with 4 gigs ram03:44
linuxman410i do not run windows at all any more03:44
kebthere is a nice eeebuntu distro and custom kernel03:45
linuxman410i have not run windows in about 8 to 10 years03:45
knomekeb, the array.org ubuntu repository works actually quite nice. :)03:45
kebyes03:45
moof_i'm running a dimension e521 with amd 64 processor 3200 1 gig ddr203:45
moof_:(03:46
moof_ok, knome grub now shows both 2.6.27 and 2.6.2403:46
moof_what now?03:46
kebwow nice03:47
knomemoof_, select the 2.6.24-* and boot to it.03:47
knomehttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93024/03:48
knomethere's my setup :)03:48
knomeit's a bit outdated though03:48
linuxman410that is a great setup03:49
moof_better than mine haha03:49
knomehmm. i also have an a6 wacom tablet03:49
moof_i ended up getting this one from my friends mother03:49
moof_who got a "virus" on it03:50
moof_and sold it to me for 70 bucks03:50
knomebut think of upgrading that as i get a new *TABLE* to fit it in.03:50
moof_holy crap03:50
moof_knome you are a god.03:50
knomenot really. i'm just investing in computers rather than many more things03:51
linuxman410i bought a old compaq p4 2.53 and 768 megs ddr ram and a dvd/cdrw and 40 gig harddrive and i put ubuntu on that one03:51
knomeand i also do need these things to work03:51
moof_ok wifi-radar works now etc etc03:52
moof_so03:52
linuxman410i buy computers cheap at work and turn them in linux boxes03:52
moof_now do i just boot in the .24 kernel?03:53
knomemoof_, second03:53
moof_from now on?03:53
knomemoof_, wait :)03:53
knomemoof_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839215&p=525279603:56
moof_how much space does each kernel take up?04:00
moof_i have really limited hard drive space. haha04:01
knomemm. actually quite a lot.04:01
knomebut it is way safer *not* to remove any kernels04:01
knomei mean, safe not to remove the newest04:02
moof_here's a question04:03
moof_i used wubi to install xubuntu due to lack of flash drive or cd drive04:03
knomeyes04:04
moof_so is there any way to delete windows to free up the space for xubuntu?04:04
knome!partitioning04:04
ubottuFor help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted or !QTParted - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap04:04
knomebasically it is hard to resize the root partition, becuase you can't run the system from the filesystem if you're resizing it04:05
knomebut yes, you can remove windows partition and mount it to for example /data04:06
knomeor /home04:06
linuxman410be right back have to restart just updated04:07
moof_could you rephrase that for me?04:08
knomemoof_, ouch.04:08
knome:)04:08
moof_lol, sorry04:08
moof_im a noob04:08
knomemoof_, i suppose you only have one linux partition04:08
moof_?04:08
knomeok, let's go one lever up04:08
knome*level up04:08
knomeor down,04:08
sinboxstay in the middle04:09
knomemoof_, what does 'mount | grep ext' say in terminal?04:09
moof_something about mounting a cd or a distribution04:09
moof_i assume04:09
knomepaste the output, please :)04:10
moof_oh04:10
moof_haha04:10
moof_sorry04:10
moof_-_-04:10
knomenp04:10
moof_ /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)04:12
knomeok, so you have one partition for ubuntu04:12
knomeit is mounted as /04:12
moof_ok04:13
knomeif you'd want to resize that partition, you'd need a flash drive or any other distro04:13
knomebut you can remove the windows partition ('mount | grep fat') and create a new partition for ubuntu04:13
knomemounted in, for example, /home04:14
knomeso all that space would be reserved for your files in /home04:14
knomeand everything else is in the / partition04:14
knomeyou get it? :)04:14
moof_so what you're saying is that i can essentially delete windows04:15
moof_and use the space left over for linux?04:15
knomeyes.04:15
knomehow many gigs HD do you have?04:16
moof_it's the eeepc so not many04:16
knomeyeah, but how many ;)04:16
moof_what's the command?04:16
knomedf -h04:17
knomeand check the /host/ubuntu ... and tab size04:17
moof_16 gigs04:17
moof_haha04:17
knomeok.04:17
knomethat's enough04:17
moof_ipods are bigger than that04:17
moof_lol.04:17
knomei have the 4gig version04:17
knomeso i'm really strict on what i install04:18
knome;)04:18
moof_yeah, but i'm running windows on it04:18
moof_and by me i of course mean04:18
moof_the previous owner04:18
moof_installed windows04:18
moof_hence all of this hassle04:18
knomethat was the linux partition size04:18
knomebut anyway uh04:19
knome!gparted04:19
ubottugparted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php04:19
knomeyou want that package to handle the partitioning04:19
knome*package=application04:19
moof_ok, so once i install gparted04:20
moof_what do i do?04:20
knomerun it and ask me04:20
moof_ok.04:20
knome(you can find it in system->partition editor)04:22
moof_alright the partition editor is opened04:22
moof_yeah, i know that much04:22
moof_haha.04:23
knomeok - what do you see04:23
knomei suppose two partitions?04:23
moof_yes04:23
moof_ /dev/sda104:23
moof_and unallocated04:23
knomeunallocated?04:23
knomewhat's the size?04:24
moof_that's what it says under partition04:24
knomeok04:24
moof_3.94 MiB04:24
knomeok, looks like wubi is doing some magic.04:24
knomeyou don't have windows04:24
moof_dude, i know for a fact i have windows04:24
knomehmm...04:24
moof_could something be wrong that would give me this result?04:25
knomenope.04:25
knomecould the eeepc have two hds?:P04:25
moof_ohh04:25
moof_hold on04:25
knomeyes04:25
moof_ok so i clicked on the button in the top right that says "/dev/sda"04:25
knomeyes04:25
moof_and it's a drop-down that has04:25
knomeand there is /dev/sdb04:25
knome? ;)04:26
moof_called it04:26
moof_that one is 15.0304:26
moof_GiB04:26
knomeand filesystem fat32 ?04:26
moof_how would i find that out?04:26
knomeoe ntfs04:26
knome*or04:26
knomeread it on the filesystem tab! :P04:26
moof_ntfs yes04:26
moof_gotcha i just realized that04:27
moof_sorry.04:27
knomeok, that's the windows partition04:27
knomedo you need any files from it?04:27
moof_both of them say ntfs.04:27
moof_no.04:27
knome...both?04:27
moof_ /dev/sda and /dev/sdb04:27
knomeuhm.04:27
knomei must say i'm a bit clueless04:28
knomei have absolutely no experience on wubi04:28
knomelet me read a few forum posts04:28
moof_that's alright04:28
moof_i'm assuming the /sda is xubuntu04:28
knomemountpoint /04:28
knome?04:28
moof_because it's only 3.76 whereas the sdb is 1504:28
moof_mountpoint? i'm sorry.04:29
knomethe tab mountpoint04:29
knomewhat do they say in both sda and sdb04:29
moof_i'm not seeing a mountpoint tab04:30
moof_all i have is partiotion, filesystem, size, used, unused, and flags04:30
moof_partition*04:31
knomehmmmmm04:31
stweston_anyone know how to configure a 2nd HDD to show up in the filesystem?04:31
knomestweston_, a new unformatted one?04:32
stweston_not necessarily.04:32
knome!fstab04:33
ubottuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions04:33
stweston_it currently has a 2nd install of xubuntu, but I would like to get it to be read by this HDD.04:34
knomestweston_, once or infinitely?04:34
stweston_... so that I can wipe the other HDD clean, and have more space, ultimately04:34
stweston_sorry, but what do you mean?04:34
knomestweston_, sounds like infinitely.04:35
stweston_okay. I guess so04:35
knomestweston_, read the links ubottu pasted04:35
knomemoof_, hmm.04:35
stweston_sure. thanks.04:35
knomemoof_, i'm all confused by both being ntfs.04:36
knomemoof_, maybe you should wait for somebody else or ask for example #ubuntu (this ain't xubuntu specific)04:36
knomemoof_, 16gigs is going to carry you far04:36
moof_but if most of it's being taken up by windows04:37
moof_it doesn't really mean much04:37
knomemoof_, from the df -h output it looks like you have 16gigs in ubuntu04:37
knomemoof_, or eh04:37
knomenot really ;)04:38
moof_would you like me to paste bin the df -h output?04:38
knomemoof_, the free space in that output of course04:38
moof_because i'm not really sure  how to read it04:38
moof_ha04:38
knomemoof_, ok, put it in pastebin04:38
moof_http://paste.ubuntu.com/93039/04:40
knomea-ha..04:40
knomeinteresting04:40
knomereally interesting04:40
knomei'm actually even more confused04:41
moof_oh god.04:41
moof_haha04:41
knomelooks like the sdb is windows, yes. maybe.04:42
stweston_okay...04:42
knomemoof_, maybe ask somebody else who has experience on wubi04:42
moof_alright will do04:43
moof_how much free space do i have though?04:43
moof_haha04:43
moof_sorry..04:43
stweston_question: can secondary internal HDDs be detected by primary HDDs, if connected by an IDE cable?04:43
stweston_sorry - I think I phrased that wrong.04:43
knomemoof_, 1.38 in / and 2.5G in /host04:44
stweston_or maybe I didn't? I dunno.04:44
knomestweston_, possibly your hdd is *detected*04:44
kebstweston_ the HDDs dont detect anything04:44
stweston_oh.04:44
knomekeb, you have experience on wubi?04:44
kebstweston_ do you mean master and slave on primary and secondary ide channels?04:44
kebknome no04:45
knomek...04:45
knomemoof_, #ubuntu might be your best shot right now :)04:45
stweston_yes; they're both Master, and they are on separate channels.04:45
moof_alright, thanks for all of your help tonight knome04:45
moof_one last question04:45
knomemoof_, np.04:45
moof_what do i ask them?04:45
moof_exactly?04:46
knomemoof_, you have installed *ubuntu with wubi and you want to use all the HD with ubuntu. what do you do :)04:46
kebstweston_ then what is the question ?04:46
knomemoof_, and see http://xubuntu.org/contribute - if you at any time feel you want to give something back.04:47
stweston_sorry, the question is how can xubuntu detect the secondary IDE channel?04:47
stweston_well, first, is it hardware or software?04:47
moof_alright, will do.04:47
kebstweston_ it does automatically during boot up04:47
moof_thanks a bunch. see you later (maybe)04:47
knomemoof_, see you, and have a nice day/night04:47
stweston_that's not what I mean...04:47
knomestweston_, what do you have in /media ?04:48
stweston_I mean, how can I /mount/ the 2nd HDD into xubuntu?04:48
stweston_lemme check04:48
kebstweston_ but if your bios doesnt see the secondary ide channel, linux probly wont either04:48
knomekeb, it *won't* if the bios doesn't :D04:48
stweston_it does, though.04:48
stweston_it's detected in BIOS04:48
knomekeb, there is not that much black magic ;)04:48
kebwell sometimes an old bios doesnt see large disks04:49
stweston_it's not large.04:49
stweston_it's about 4 gig04:49
kebstweston_ is the 2nd HDD partitioned and formatted already?04:49
kebyou can use gparted to see it04:49
stweston_it currently is running Xubuntu, as well.04:49
stweston_so, I'm not sure if they're formatted correctly, but they both run Xubuntu.04:50
stweston_is anyone there?04:52
knomestweston_, yes. did you find something in /media ?04:52
stweston_only cdrom and floppy04:52
knomek04:53
stweston_I don't know how I could really help, so...04:55
knomei'm too tired to be really concentrated anymore. sory04:55
knome*sorry04:55
knomemaybe ask later again04:55
stweston_oh. that's fine.04:55
stweston_thanks anyway, though!04:55
kebnormally the automounter can do it for you if it finds the partitions04:56
kebbut you can also create the mount point directory in /media or /mnt and manually mount to it04:57
stweston_is there some way to hard-wire it so that it mounts, or does it not matter?05:00
kebif you put an entry in /etc/fstab it will always mount05:01
stweston_and how would I go about that? I've got the links up, but I don't understand them.05:01
kebdo you know which partitions are on the drive?05:01
stweston_only one, I think; the one(s) with Xubuntu on it.05:02
kebdo you know what the system calls that partition?05:02
stweston_not really.05:02
stweston_I know there's a swap partition, I think.05:02
sinboxdo you want to keep that other ubuntu install on the 2nd drive?05:03
kebif you go to your menu and find System, Partition Editor you can see what is where05:03
stweston_no05:03
stweston_okay.05:03
kebbut dont change anything ;)05:03
stweston_no partition editor05:04
keboic05:04
stweston_? what do you see?05:04
kebwhat if you start a terminal and type gparted05:05
stweston_lemme check05:05
stweston_the program isn't installed. I'll do that.05:05
kebok05:05
stweston_done05:06
stweston_wait - it says "only root may run gparted"05:07
stweston_how do I get to root? (please pardon the noobishness)05:07
kebyes thats a safety feature.  type gksudo gparted05:07
stweston_okay05:08
stweston_there we go05:08
stweston_okay.05:08
kebyou should be able to see all your hard disks and what the system calls them05:08
stweston_it shows up!05:08
stweston_yes05:09
stweston_/dev/sdb, sounds right05:09
keband how they are formatted and which are bootable05:09
kebwell it has to have a number at the end too05:09
stweston_hm....05:10
stweston_okay. it's sdb105:10
stweston_ext3 filesystem05:10
stweston_now, how do I get into there?05:10
kebwell gparted may give you a mount option in its menus or right click thing05:11
stweston_okay.05:11
kebif not, at least you know what it is called05:11
stweston_I think it's mounted, but I can't find out how to open it up.05:11
stweston_the folder, I mean.05:11
kebif you type 'mount' in a terminal, you will see where it is mounted05:12
sinbox5am not a good time to mess with the system05:12
sinboxnight night all05:12
kebnight05:12
stweston_okay.05:12
stweston_night!05:12
stweston_so, then...05:13
kebdid you find it05:13
stweston_how do I open the filesystem?05:13
stweston_I know where it is, I found a file with that name, but...05:14
stweston_I can't find the program it opens with...05:14
kebdid you see it listed in the output of the mount command05:14
stweston_I can't type that for some reason. is it 'cause Gparted is open?05:14
kebah yes could be05:14
stweston_okay05:15
stweston_there we go.05:15
stweston_so, I typed in mount, and got a whole long list. should I search for something?05:16
kebit should have a folder path listed next to it in the mount output05:16
stweston_okay05:16
stweston_wait... next to what?05:16
keblook for sdb105:16
stweston_okay...05:16
stweston_I don't think it lists it.05:17
stweston_it only shows /dev/sda105:17
kebok05:17
kebwhat do you want to call the other partition and where do you want it to appear?05:18
stweston_what do you mean, exactly?05:18
kebwell you can give it a name05:18
stweston_yes05:18
stweston_okay... I think I'm confused.05:20
kebfor example, if you want to call it xubuntu2 you could mount it at /mnt/xubuntu2 or at /home/stweston_/xubuntu205:21
stweston_oh. well, I'm thinking of just having it as extra space once I'm ready.05:21
stweston_in the meantime, I just need to see if there's anything I need to take across.05:21
kebfor example, if you want to call it extraspace you could mount it at /mnt/extraspace or at /home/stweston_/extraspace05:21
stweston_okay.05:21
kebto do that, you need to mkdir the mount point at the right place05:22
stweston_gotcha05:22
stweston_I think.05:22
keband then you can mount it05:22
stweston_so, how do I go about that?05:22
kebmkdir /home/stweston_/extraspace05:23
stweston_okay...05:23
stweston_well, how would I get it to link to the other HDD?05:23
kebmount /dev/sdb1 /home/stweston_/extraspace05:23
stweston_okay.05:23
keboh, you are saying you want the whole partition to be added to an existing partition ?05:24
stweston_no05:24
stweston_well, maybe.05:24
stweston_somewhat.05:25
kebthat would involve the LVM which comes with xubuntu but i dont know about05:25
stweston_LVM?05:25
keb!lvm05:26
ubottuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO05:26
kebhmm05:26
stweston_hm?05:26
kebthe bot was sleeping on the job05:26
stweston_I honestly don't know what I'm trying to do, but I think it involves erasing the HDD I have, and adding it to the filesystem of this primary HDD.05:27
stweston_at least, if that's possible.05:27
kebyes that is possible and that is what the LVM is for05:28
stweston_and how do I access LVM?05:28
kebit can be installed using synaptic "lvm2" but then you have to read the howto document to use it05:31
stweston_hm...05:31
keber, thats not the command to install it05:31
stweston_any other alternatives?05:31
kebwell what i suggested above with mounting, will let you use the drive within your home directory as extra space05:32
stweston_okay05:32
kebthe tradeoffs are here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/benefitsoflvmsmall.html05:33
knomeok, good nig... day05:35
knome->05:35
keb:D05:35
stweston_sweet!05:37
stweston_it actually mounted into the folder!05:37
stweston_now, how do I erase the disk?05:37
kebare you sure your files are in there?05:38
stweston_I think so...05:38
stweston_well, how do I copy programs?05:38
stweston_such as OpenOffice.org?05:38
stweston_and from where?05:38
kebyou usually dont copy programs, you install them using synaptic05:38
stweston_okay. that works.05:38
stweston_then I'm good to go.05:38
kebdata is the only thing that needs to be copied05:38
stweston_okay. I didn't have any data in the first place, so...05:39
stweston_yeha.05:39
stweston_yeah*05:39
kebwhat about your old /home folder in the other drive05:39
stweston_it has the other stuff.05:39
stweston_sorry - misunderstood.05:39
stweston_I didn't have anything important on my 2nd HDD.05:39
kebok05:40
stweston_so, just select all the folders and press delete?05:40
stweston_or what?05:40
stweston_all the folders in extraspace?05:40
kebyep05:40
kebmake sure you are pointing to the right ones ;)05:40
kebyes05:40
stweston_okay.05:40
stweston_hm...05:41
stweston_permission denied.05:41
kebok05:41
kebopen a terminal and type mount05:41
stweston_okay...05:41
kebif it says read-only or ro next to that folder you will have to re-mount it05:42
stweston_yup. sdb1 shows up05:42
stweston_okay...05:42
stweston_it says rw, but it won't let me.05:42
stweston_won't let me write, I mean.05:42
kebprobly only root can erase it05:42
stweston_oh...05:42
stweston_so, then how do I do that in terminal?05:43
stweston_or do I need to reboot the system?05:43
kebnope05:43
stweston_into the other one and then do some "unwanted" command?05:43
kebdid you mount it using sudo ?05:44
stweston_yes05:44
kebok then type sudo unmount /dev/sdb105:44
stweston_unmount: command not found05:45
stweston_and yes, I typed Sudo05:45
keband then mount it again using sudo mount -o user,rw /dev/sdb1 /home/stweston_/extraspace05:45
keboops umount05:45
stweston_okay.05:45
stweston_okay. done05:46
stweston_and it shows up, too.05:46
kebexcellent05:46
kebnow you might be able to delete stuff05:47
stweston_^.^05:47
stweston_how so?05:47
kebeither with the graphical file manager or with a command05:47
stweston_what command?05:47
kebrm -rf /home/stweston_/extraspace/*05:48
stweston_wait... lemme try this first...05:48
stweston_permission denied all across the board.05:49
keboic05:49
stweston_add sudo?05:49
kebsudo rm -rf /home/stweston_/extraspace/*05:49
stweston_gotcha05:49
kebyep, but that is reserved for when you are sure you know what you are doing ;)05:49
stweston_okay... XD05:50
kebbecause it can wipe out the whole system if you arent careful05:50
stweston_it's almost done...05:50
stweston_I was careful.05:50
kebyou could also have used gparted to format the drive from scratch, but i didnt know you wanted to do that at the time05:51
stweston_oh...05:51
stweston_well, it's all good05:51
kebnight05:54
stweston_'night05:57
Seomahhi all09:39
Seomahanybody here?09:39
Look4Helphi tehre... is anyone about?09:49
Seomahi need help to change my screen res. to 102409:50
XaeroOneHi guys10:24
XaeroOneI used the live cd of xubuntu 8.10 I am able to ping the computers in the lan and also view the modem config in the browser http://192.168.1.1 but not able to access any site.10:25
XaeroOnePage not found error10:25
XaeroOneany quickfixes10:25
XaeroOne?10:25
tinglehi i would like to set a keyboard shortcut so i can maximize application i open but im not sure how i already looked in applications>settings manager>keyboard>shortcuts and then i added a new them but not sure how to add my shortcut11:16
tinglenevermind i just found out there is a shortcut by default to maximize a window in xfce11:18
tingleits alt+f5 if someone would like to know..11:18
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boerniin which package can I find the Programs k7burn k6burn etc?12:49
TheSheephttp://packages.ubuntu.com/12:52
TheSheepboerni: search there :)12:52
boerniI already found it. cpuburn12:52
tinglegood for you :)12:52
boerniI miss under xubuntu something like eix under gentoo. fast package searching12:54
tingleboerni: apt-cache search <search>12:57
tingleis java messy? i need java for a new application but i like my clean install xD12:58
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imanaligator2can anyone give me a tip of a easy to use ftp server with an easy gui14:05
viddftp server with gui? or ftp client?14:06
viddimanaligator2, im not sure why you would even need a gui with an ftp server....but if it is the client you want with a gui, then try gftp14:07
imanaligator2no its the server, i would like to find one where i can easily set permissions, folders, create users etc. without having to touch a conf file14:09
imanaligator2i used serv-u for my windows iinstallation earlier, and that was very easy14:09
imanaligator2there i could set up virtual folders and such as well14:10
viddso why not get serv-u's linux version?14:12
viddnvmd14:13
viddimanaligator2, kproftpd looks like it might fit the bill14:15
viddhttp://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_web_interface_gui_tools14:16
imanaligator2great, i'll have a look at that, thnx for the tip14:17
viddimanaligator2, ProMA  might fit the bill as well...14:17
viddsame page14:18
viddBTW, i found this link by googling "linux ftp server gui"14:19
viddit was the fourth link14:19
tinglewhat java package do i need if i want to run on application on java? maybe this one? sun-java6-plugin14:21
viddsun-java6-plugin is for your browser.....but it will bring in -jre....which is what you need14:22
tingleimanaligator2: pure-ftpd install it and you can login on your normal account and you can acces you home dir by default14:22
viddtingle, that is not what imanaligator2 wants14:23
viddhe wants virtual hosting....14:23
tinglevidd: thats to bad..14:23
tinglevidd: how can i cli see what the package sun-java6-plugin holds?14:24
viddim sure there is a way.....14:24
tingleyeah me too14:24
viddive installed -plugin so many times on so many machines, i just KNOW what packages will come with it =]14:25
tinglevidd: yeah no problem, i dont doubt your awnser14:25
tinglevidd: just wondering so i can check package in the futhure whitout haveing to ask in #xubuntu or what ever14:26
viddbut if you JUST want to run the apps (stand-alone, not in the browser) you want -jre (Java Run-time Environment)14:27
tinglevidd: yeah i just installed it, it worked thanks14:27
tinglevidd: the command i was looking for is apt-cache show packagename14:27
viddyeah....just found that too....14:28
viddresistance is futile....google is your friend.....14:28
vidd=]14:29
Seomahhi all i need to change my screen resolution to 1024. Someone knows how?14:42
viddSeomah, is it listed in your settings manager?14:43
Seomahi just can change it from 800x600 to below14:43
Seomahi edited mu xorg.conf but didn't work14:43
viddsounds like your video card driver is not properly detected by HAL14:46
Seomahi can't even find drivers for it in the web. it's an old sis 300/20014:47
Seomahthere's a lot of post about this but all of them recommend editing the xorg.conf14:47
Seomahwich i did but didn't work14:48
kebsometimes the monitor isnt detected properly, expecially if you turn on the computer before the monitor14:49
vidddid you ever get 1024x800 on windows with this card?14:49
Seomahyes14:49
Seomahwith windows i didn't have any problem (of this kind)14:49
vidddid you turn the monitor on b4 or after you booted?14:50
Seomahmmm at the same time, maybe before14:50
vidddid you see the Bios POST duruing boot?14:50
Seomahcan it be problem of the monitor and not of the graphics card?14:50
viddyes it can14:50
Seomahyes i saw the post, i entered the bios to see if the card was woeking properly14:51
Seomah*working14:51
viddhrm14:52
kebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log it might show which resolutions were rejected at bootup14:52
viddin terminal, run xrandr14:52
viddpastebin the results14:53
Seomahit says maximum res. 800x60014:53
vidd!pastebin14:53
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)14:53
Seomahwant to see it all?14:53
viddyes14:53
Seomah1 sec14:54
viddthen pastebin the results of "lspci"14:55
Seomahhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/93212/14:55
Seomahhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/93214/14:56
Seomahin xrandr the resolutions are the same as in display settings14:56
viddyeah....i see that14:57
Seomahthe graphic card is correct, is the one i have14:57
viddSeomah, have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?15:01
vidd(as root)15:01
Seomahnot yet15:01
Seomahdo i make a sudo dpkg...15:02
Seomah1 sec15:02
viddif you do, try setting the video to "vesa"15:02
viddif "vesa" is auto-selected, see if you can find "Sis"15:02
viddbtw...we know its a problem of the card and not the monitor =]15:03
viddSeomah, if these don fix you up, im out of ideas =\15:04
Seomahwhen i tipe that line it says actions in conflict -e and -r15:04
Seomahare you sure of the spelling?15:04
kebthere is no space after dpkg15:05
viddSeomah, dpkg-reconfigure is one word...not two15:06
Seomah1 sec, I'm in15:06
Seomahjust browsing it15:06
vidd(good...hes on a different machine =])15:06
Seomahme?15:07
Seomahnot15:07
Seomahi'm in this one15:07
viddyour talking to us on the machine that is having the issue?15:08
Seomahjust finished, it asked me lots of things about the keyboard and nothing about graphics - i think15:08
Seomahi'm talking in the problematic machine - I just have one monitor here15:08
kebyes they keyboard is handled in the same reconfiguration15:08
Seomahthe line bewteen15:08
keb-y15:08
viddkbm switches FTW!15:08
Seomahi'm going to retry15:09
vidd*kVm hehe15:09
Seomahnothing there about graphics15:10
Seomahjust the same, more about my keyboard15:11
Seomahat least the keyboard keeps running fine :)15:12
vidddpkg-reconfigure --phigh xserver-xorg15:13
vidd(might be -phigh)15:14
Seomahok15:14
Seomahyes it's -phigh15:15
Seomahit just showed that a backup file is done15:15
viddi mess that one up alot =]15:16
viddSeomah, delete  the xorg.conf file and run "sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again15:19
Seomahok15:20
Seomahargh just the same15:23
Seomahquestions about my keyboard and nothing about graphics15:23
viddwell...my toolbox is now empty =\15:23
Seomahit's very annoying to have big letters and a small desktop15:24
Seomahthank you for your time anyway vidd15:24
viddmaybe you could splurge on a new used display adaptor =]15:25
Seomahwell the hardware is ok15:26
Seomahmaybe i just have to get used to this resolution15:26
Seomahit's more the feeling of not being able to do this that gets me mad15:27
tinglehehe i know what you mean Seomah15:27
tinglehave you tried googling for your awnser?15:27
Seomahoh yes there's lots of people with this problem but I can't get it fixed15:28
Seomahand I can't find a suitable driver for my card15:28
knomeSeomah, has there anybody with same problem/card solved it?15:29
Seomahyes, some people edited their xorg.conf and added some video modes15:29
Seomahi tried it but it doesn't work15:29
knomeSeomah, with the same card and everything?15:29
Seomahmy xorg keeps resetting15:30
viddSeomah, have you rebooted after you changed the video modes in xorg?15:30
Seomahwell not with the same card15:30
Seomahyes i rebooted, first just the interface with ctr alt backspace, then again the whole pc15:30
viddwhen you set up the xorg, set the driver to "vesa" and add the resolutions15:31
Seomahwhere should i add that line? in which section?15:31
viddone moment....15:31
viddhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93229/ this is my xorg15:34
viddyou will need line 69 and 71 to match the output from lspci15:35
viddline 70 is where you set the driver to vesa15:36
viddlines 81-89 will need some editing to properly match lspci output as well15:37
Seomahi don't have line 71 as is15:39
viddare you looking at mine? or yours?15:39
Seomahmine doesn't have any line with BusID15:39
viddso...add it15:40
Seomahwith the same values?15:40
viddthe busID is from lspci15:40
viddwhat does your lspci say your card is again?15:41
Seomah01:03.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 300/305 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 90)15:42
Seomahthe bus ID is 01:03.0 ?15:42
viddno, PCI:1:3:015:43
Seomahok15:43
vidddont forget the quotes15:44
Seomahok the only thing different is in driver, i put "vesa"15:44
Seomahis it ok?15:44
viddno....15:45
Seomahdo i have to put sis also?15:45
viddyour Identifier = "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 300/305 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"15:45
Seomahyes i have that in the proper lines15:45
viddDriver = "vesa"15:46
Seomahi mean that is different and the driver and the pci ID15:46
Seomahhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93235/15:46
viddyeah15:46
Seomahthat's my xorg now15:46
viddpfft...i see the issue.....15:47
vidddrop line 515:47
viddline 5 says "disregaurd the settings here and get the settings from "FBDev"15:48
viddwhatever that is =\15:48
Seomahoh well15:49
Seomahi guess i'll try to reboot the X15:49
viddgood luck...and give me aN UPDATE =]15:49
Seomahi try it now and come back in 1 minute... if it works15:50
Seomahif not, it will be more than 1 minute :D15:50
viddhehe15:50
Seomahjust to make sure... do i do ctrl+alt+backspace or reboot the whole pc?15:50
viddbackspace15:50
Seomahok back in 1 min15:51
Seomahpfft now i'm in 640x48015:58
Seomahat least i can see something15:58
Seomahi think i'm switching back to the old copy of xorg at least for the moment15:59
Seomahok back to the start16:04
Seomahare you there vidd?16:04
viddyeah16:05
Seomahi think i surrender16:05
Seomahi got back my original xorg and i don't have that option line16:05
viddremove the BusID as well16:06
viddand the (rev 90)16:07
Seomahnow i have an empty org. should i add again those lines from lspci?16:07
Seomah1 sec16:07
viddlet me pastebin what you SHOULD have....16:08
viddhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93266/16:09
Seomahthis is my whole xorg now, the original of the system: # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)16:09
Seomah#16:09
Seomah# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using16:09
Seomah# values from the debconf database.16:09
Seomah#16:09
Seomah# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.16:09
Seomah# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)16:09
Seomah#16:09
Seomah# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*16:09
Seomah# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg16:09
viddHEY!!!!!!16:09
Seomah# package.16:09
Seomah#16:09
Seomah# Note that some configuration settings that could be done previously16:10
Seomah# in this file, now are automatically configured by the server and settings16:10
Seomah# here are ignored.16:10
Seomah#16:10
vidd!pastebin16:10
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)16:10
Seomahi just typed too fast and without lookin - sorry16:11
TheSheephappens16:11
viddlucky my xchat didnt crash =]16:11
TheSheepvidd: yet :P16:12
Seomahok i'm editing the xorg again16:12
viddhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93266/16:12
viddjust copy/paste that16:12
Seomahyes that's what i'm doing, going to reboot now16:14
Seomahhi again16:16
viddany luck?16:17
Seomahnothing good, my list of availabe resolutions is shorter16:17
Seomahnow is only 800x600 and 640x48016:17
viddactually....that is GOOD news16:18
Seomahuh?16:18
viddchange the driver from "vesa" to "sis"16:18
Seomahok16:18
viddit tells us that the resolutions set in xorg are being looked at16:18
Seomahok rebooting16:21
viddand?16:23
Seomahthe same, just that the resolution list is the original, with more resolutions16:23
Seomahmaximum is 800x60016:24
viddTheSheep, is there another "default" video module besides vesa?16:24
TheSheepvga, it's even more pprimitive16:24
Seomahnow i have "sis"16:25
viddSeomah, set the device to "vga"16:25
TheSheepI hate sis cards with a passion16:25
viddme too16:25
Seomahi'd have to agree by now :D16:25
Seomahi just noticed my xorg is being overwritten with ever reset16:25
Seomahi don't have any line for drivers now16:26
Seomahany change i do is erased and a new xorg is put in place16:26
viddpure evil16:27
Seomahit's the evil elfs living in my pc16:27
Seomahbefore the were just annoying but i think they got organized now16:28
viddSeomah, yeah...they unionized =]16:28
viddits HAL16:29
viddhe's in the background, looking at your xorg and saying "Im sorry Dave, I just cant do that...."16:30
Seomah:DDDDD16:30
viddlets try an experiment....16:32
Seomahi'm all for trying new things16:32
vidduninstall HAL (sudo apt-get remove hal) and set up your xorg16:33
vidduse dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get keyboard and mouse set up16:34
viddotherwise, when you reboot, you wont have access to the keyboard and mouse in x16:35
Seomahdo you mean i can be left with no input?16:35
viddwell...you would be able to [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1] into tty and access cli16:36
Seomahok going to try16:36
viddif all goes horribly wrong, reinstall hal16:37
viddor fire the evil elf union =]16:37
vidd9nvidia makes some cheep video cards....)16:38
Seomahlol try to find a pci card now16:38
viddfunny you should say that.....16:39
viddi just picked one up at WalMart 2 weeks ago16:39
viddmy old card wasnt good enough for the new Command and Conquer games (only reason I have a windows machine)16:40
viddthat old card is now sitting in a drawer collecting dust16:40
knome...c&c?16:41
knomecan't you run them under wine :P16:41
viddnot the new ones16:41
knomewho wants the new ones16:41
knome:)=16:41
roy_hobbsWhat's the little circle button in the title bar of a window in XFCE?16:44
knomeroy_hobbs, sticky.16:45
The_SakerHi everybody16:45
knomeroy_hobbs, if it's enabled, the window will show up on all the workspaces16:45
roy_hobbsahh16:45
The_SakerAll my panels have dissappeared after I access some Russian website.  how can I restore them?16:45
roy_hobbsthanks - would never have figured that out because i don't use multiple workspaces16:46
knomeThe_Saker, o.O : alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel16:47
knomeroy_hobbs, if you want, you can disable the icon16:48
The_Sakerknome: ok. let me try16:48
knomeroy_hobbs, (settings manager -> window manager -> "button layout" -> remove the second icon (tooltip: Stick))16:49
The_Sakerknome: you are a pro!!  thanks a lot, my panels are back!16:49
The_Sakerknome: you have any idea why my panels got shot while I was surfing?16:50
roy_hobbsah, thanks knome16:50
knomeThe_Saker, not really. it is a known bug anyway that the panels disappear.16:50
roy_hobbsAnother question, how come the menu editor only displays a few of the items in my menu16:51
The_Sakerknome: anyway, thanks a lot for the help.  man, I was really getting freaked out by this! thanks A LOT!16:51
knomeroy_hobbs, hmm?16:51
roy_hobbsIf I right click on "Applications" > Edit Menu it takes me to the menu editor16:52
knomeThe_Saker, np16:52
The_Sakerbye everybody, thanks for being here!16:52
roy_hobbslisted there are only 4 items16:52
knomeroy_hobbs, the "--- include ---" -item includes system menu16:52
roy_hobbsahh16:52
knomeroy_hobbs, built from .desktop files16:52
roy_hobbsi see16:52
CaptNemoHmm, I thought there was a package I could grab with Synaptic called gtk-devel or something that would fetch the entire GTK development environment in one shot but I can't find it.17:01
TheSheepgtk development environment?17:01
CaptNemoYeah, the libs and the widget designer and examples, and the whole bit.17:02
TheSheep"the" widget designer? there are several...17:02
CaptNemoI thought there was a shortcut package somewhere in Synaptic that would fetch the whole mess at once.17:02
TheSheepand for which language?17:03
CaptNemoIt's difficult for a newb to know which packages to fetch.17:03
knomeCaptNemo, these "shortcut" packages are called meta packages, by the way.17:03
CaptNemoC and/or C++17:03
TheSheepwell, just grab any gtk tutorial and it will tell you what you need...17:03
CaptNemoAhh, good.  Learn something every day.  :)17:03
CaptNemoHmm, okay I'll do that.  Thank you.17:03
TheSheepCaptNemo: you want libgtk2.0-dev and libgtk2.0-doc17:04
TheSheepCaptNemo: and either glade or gazpatcho17:04
TheSheepdevhelp is useful too17:04
CaptNemoCool.  Ahh, I think I found what I had read about:  libgtk2.0-dev17:05
TheSheepit's not a meta package, it only contains the headers for the library17:05
Seomahhi again - now I have a problem17:07
Seomahhow to reinstall Hal?17:08
Seomahvidd, you there?17:08
TheSheepI don't think reinstalling would help17:09
Seomahi removed hal and i'm left with no input17:09
Seomahneither my keyboard nor my mouse work now17:09
TheSheepO.o17:09
SeomahI'm here because i rebooted from my cd17:09
Seomahobviously :D17:09
TheSheepok, chroot to your install and install hal back17:10
viddSeomah, [alt]+ctrl]+[f1]17:10
viddwill get you into tty17:10
Seomahyeah i can enter tty17:11
Seomahthen i do the apt get install hal17:11
viddonce you are in tty, you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg17:11
viddno....17:11
Seomahi tried but it doesn't work17:11
viddtry fixing xorg first17:11
viddah17:11
TheSheepvidd: I thik the new xorg requires hal...17:12
TheSheepnot sure though17:12
viddTheSheep, no....17:12
Seomahthe dkpg-reconfigure works apparently, but then i exit tty and the graphics are still17:12
Seomahand it asks me for a date but i have no input17:13
viddSeomah, you need to restart x....17:13
Seomahi restarted the whole pc17:13
TheSheepvidd: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices17:13
viddin tty, run the reconfigure, then "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart17:13
Seomahok trying it - it will be a long while17:16
CaptNemoTheSheep, would you recommend glade or gazpatcho for a newb?17:23
kebhmm. Xorg.0.log does not contain the record of attempted video resolutions anymore in 8.1017:23
TheSheepno idea, glade is longer around and has more tutorials...17:23
CaptNemoTheSheep, True.  I thought I read somewhere that glade is at the end of its life.17:24
TheSheepnah, it's still kicking17:24
CaptNemohaha17:24
CaptNemoTheSheep, Well, it may still be kicking but I believe I read that it's old and not recommended for new development.  If that's true then a newbie should not standardize on it.17:32
kebbrasero is not able to mount dvds created with iso9660 v317:50
kebbut the system can see them ok17:50
kebSeomah did you see this page http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#2418:54
Seomahtaking a look now tx keb18:56
viddhey.... wb Seomah18:57
Seomahhi vidd18:58
Seomahi had to reinstall the system, got stuck without keyboard or mouse18:59
sinboxno need for those18:59
Seomah:d19:00
Seomahkeb, that web just says to: Just place all modes you wish to use in the list of modes in the Screen-section of your XF86Config(-4)/xorg-conf19:01
kebdo you have a direct mental interface19:01
viddso when ya re-installed, did ya get the right resolutions?19:01
kebSeomah pretty much, but it also gives conditions where it won't work regardless19:01
Seomahmmm i have plenty of those thank you :D19:02
Seomahit says it should work with 1024x80019:02
Seomah*76819:02
sinboxresolutions can be a pain19:03
* sinbox is worried by xorg.conf19:03
nikolamhi. I did something stupid: I did jigdo-lite jaunty-alternate-amd64.jigdo19:14
nikolamto download new release and gave him DVD image to compare19:14
nikolamBut it is downlading and downloading and.. uhhh19:14
nikolamhere it is output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93341/19:15
nikolamI think he is downloading same .iso over and over again..19:16
nikolamShould I delete all data it downloaded and just get an .iso over http, like before?19:16
nikolamOr it is building a Dvd of a new release somehow?19:17
viddget the image over http or ftp19:18
nikolamCo just to be clear. He was downloading same .iso like multiple times for no reason?19:18
keblooks like it had the whole image already downloaded19:18
viddwell...jaunty is the next release due out in april19:18
nikolamMaybe it would behave if I was giving it CD image to compare instead of DVD?19:19
viddso no "official" support HERE for it19:19
* vidd does not use jigdo19:19
nikolamkeb I see no image as it, It made dir of packages with 1.8GB data in it19:20
viddperhaps try bittorrent?19:20
nikolamvidd It is not about release. It is about jigdo-lite ....19:20
nikolamok. Thank guys. I will figure it out.19:20
viddthere is a "connection time out"19:21
viddthis coulds be because you are trying to get an image that is being updated19:21
nikolamvidd yes and after that it continues .. multiple times19:21
nikolamok ok.19:21
viddtry it with a current release and see if you have the same issue'19:21
nikolamI will download with wget next time and not try to play smart19:22
nikolam;,,,)19:22
viddhehe19:22
viddit could also be your ISP throttling your connection19:23
viddthis is why i say "try with a version you know is not going to be getting changed halfway through the download"19:23
nikolamvidd I think not, I have 78-79K Max, anyway.19:24
nikolamI use 8.04 for myself19:24
vidddid you get that via jigdo?19:25
nikolamBut I figured that after all problems with 8.10 After release I should do something about 9.0419:25
nikolamvidd, yea yea, dont mention jigdo anymore, argh ;)19:25
viddthere were problems with 8.10?19:25
nikolamvidd yup with that nasty CD/DVD opening bug. Maybe not fixed still19:26
viddhrm...havent heard of it19:26
nikolamAnd I see many stupid bugs in 8.10 not happening in 8.0419:26
nikolamso to me 8.10 is regression. I am sticking to LTS19:27
nikolamBut I make new packages for it and also I would try to test 9.04 all the way to make shure it does not happen again with final19:27
viddthe only thing i dont like about 8.10 is that recommends are installed by default19:28
nikolamvidd, Whaaat? Recommends are-installed automatically????19:28
vidddestroys the whole "xubuntu is lighter then ubuntu" theory19:28
nikolamvidd That is just braindead. I don`t like it at all19:29
nikolamIs there a bug about that issue?19:29
viddits deliberate19:29
viddits a "feature" not a "bug"19:29
nikolamDid anyone in Ubuntu was sayin why?19:29
vidd"because Debian did it years ago"19:30
nikolamLets post a bug so that everyone see `wontfix`19:30
viddor along those lines19:30
nikolamSo when I install, like, gedit, synaptic pulld whole Gnome? ;,,)19:31
viddsomething like that19:31
viddprobably will pull all of ubuntu in19:32
viddnot just gnome19:32
nikolamAargh19:32
viddespecially if someone had "ubuntu-desktop" as a recommend19:32
knomenikolam, echo 'apt::Install-Recommends "0" ;' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu19:33
knomenikolam, knome changed status as fixed19:33
viddi install cli-only and run the command knome just posted19:33
viddknome, that isnt a fix19:33
viddthe issue remains19:33
knomeit is, for single user/installation ;>19:34
viddthat is only a "work-around"19:34
knomebah19:34
sinboxI  had never heard about RIMM until about 3 minutes ago19:35
sinbox:/19:35
viddnikolam, i dont think synaptic pulls recommends in (yet)19:35
viddbut apt and aptitude do19:36
viddsinbox, rimm?19:36
sinboxexactly what my thoughts were vidd : Rambus RDRAM memory19:37
sinboxnow I know why my friend got given that computer19:37
viddisnt that like "extinct ram"?19:38
sinboxyep, it got extincted by the dinosaurs in fact19:40
viddnot only did it have to be installed in pairs, but MATCHED pairs19:41
sinboxI'm not even gonna start installing something on that machine waste of time, and he wouldn't have money to buy memory even if he could find some19:41
viddhis board probably cant handle more ram19:42
nikolamvidd I would expect that synaptic do and apt does not. uhh19:42
nikolamsinbox, maybe you should search on ebay or something. Someone who doesn`t know what it is, like you could sell it chep :)19:44
viddnikolam, so far as I know, sysnaptic does not pull rules from apt.conf directory, but from an internal source19:44
nikolamvidd anyway, those recommended packages install is no issue for us at LTS :)19:44
nikolamFor next.. few years :)19:45
sinboxnikolam, I'll give it away on freecycle, some poor soul is bound to go for it thinking they're getting a great deal, just like my friend did.19:46
viddnikolam, anyone that still has RIMM (aka "hasnt sent those old relics to the scrap heap") know they have a gold mine (if their stuff still works)19:46
viddsinbox, you could probably hock the ram for more then he paid for it....19:47
Seomahvidd, I'm happy i solved the problem19:47
viddhow much ram he got?19:47
viddSeomah, how?19:47
Seomahif anyone has problems with the resolution ask me how19:47
sinbox128Mb of RAM on there: low end as it gets, and I am suposed to install XP for him so he can run cubase for his course19:48
Seomahvidd, i had to add to lines to the xorg: the horizontal and vertical refresh rates19:48
Seomahlook my xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93360/19:48
sinboxhaha! I have resolution problems on my other box Seomah, so I might pick your brain.19:48
viddSeomah, well...yeah...so it knew what kind of monitor you have19:49
Seomahit's lines 27 and 2819:49
Seomahyou have to know the values, from the manual of the monitor19:49
stwestonhow do I edit files within terminal?19:49
Seomahat least for me it has worked19:49
stwestonsuch as, editing as root?19:49
nikolamstweston, with nano command. ctrl-x for exit, it asks to save it19:50
stwestongotcha19:50
viddSeomah, yeah...that is in my xorg that i showed ya b419:50
Seomahstweston, the easier thing for me is sudo mousepad name_of_file19:50
nikolamstweston, sudo nano /path/file19:50
stwestongotcha19:50
Seomahvidd, but if i put something more it doesn't work19:50
Seomahvidd, it has to be just those two lines19:51
stwestonnow, how do I make it so that the disc this links to always loads on boot?19:51
nikolamSeomah, What graphic card you have? look with lspci19:51
stwestoner... on login?19:51
Seomahnikolam, i have a sis 300/305 - but now i solved my problem19:51
viddnikolam, he has an achient SIS card19:51
nikolamok :)19:52
Seomahancient is a nice way to say it :D19:52
nikolamIm my natural language, SIS means TIT :)19:52
Seomahcrappy old is another19:52
viddSeomah, get you a post-it or something and attach those lines to the monitor19:52
viddin case you need them again =]19:52
Seomah:DDD19:52
Seomahi found a post about that, but had to take out some lines19:53
stwestonhello? I'm trying to mount /dev/sdb1 on startup. is it possible by editing a file?19:53
viddnikolam, where ya from? west verginia?19:53
nikolamvidd :)) Nope, Europe, Serbia19:53
viddstweston, yes, /etc/fstab19:54
stwestonokay. thanks... I think.19:54
stwestonso, then... "sudo mousepad /etc/fstab"?19:54
viddnikolam, here in america, "sis" is a nickname for "sister"19:54
nikolamstweston, or gksu mousepad :)19:54
stwestonokay.19:54
Seomahin case you want to read it (and know spanish :D ): http://aprendiendoateclear.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/resolucion-de-pantalla-en-ubuntu-kubuntu-y-xubuntu/19:54
nikolamvidd yes yes, I know :)19:55
viddso you see my point yet?19:55
Seomahok now, after 10 hours i can change my resolution. Now to connect to the lan :DD19:55
nikolamSeomah, Ahh, don`t know spanish, shame on me :)19:55
Seomahthe important thing is the code at the half19:55
viddSeomah, that should be rather painless (unless of course ya mean wifi)19:56
Seomahvidd, i just took off the "Option DPMS" and it worked19:56
nikolamSeomah, please include exact monitor model/type so that someone could find it when searching with keywords on google.com19:56
Seomahvidd, i don't know, but i want to have a remote desktop between my xubuntu and a windows XP19:56
stwestonokay... so I've been working on editing fstab just now so that I can mount /dev/sdb1 on boot... tell me if this is right:19:57
nikolamSeomah, To use Xp desktop on ubuntu or vice versa19:57
stweston/dev/sdb1/home/stweston/extraspaceautonone0019:57
viddto linux from window, windows to linux, or both?19:57
Seomahmy monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 710N, and my graphics card is a SiS 300/30519:57
Seomahvidd, both19:57
Seomahvidd, master would be windows19:57
viddSeomah, linux has vncviewer built in by default....19:58
stwestonanyone see problems?19:58
nikolamSeomah, I think you have rdp client included in xubuntu default install19:58
Seomahthe idea is having linux running in the old pc without monitor or keyboard and accesing from the new pc19:58
viddso go to your M$ machine and install a vnc server19:58
sinboxI see problems everywhere: they think they're ok.19:58
nikolamSeomah, I was thinking, put that monitor info on your blog19:58
stwestonXD19:59
sinboxsorry stweston I know nothing about fstab :)19:59
stwestonokay. 's fine19:59
Seomahnikolam, ahh i thought but that is not my blog sorry19:59
stwestonwell, I think I've put in the right properties; if not, I'm assuming it will let me know.19:59
sinboxhave you made a backup of your stab before editing it though stweston ?19:59
stwestonno, I haven't.19:59
stwestonshould I?20:00
sinboxfstab*20:00
viddstweston, ALWAYS20:00
stwestongotcha. thanks20:00
sinboxalways a good idea when editing files to make a backup first, then again I have a very short memory20:00
stwestonfor the tip, I mean.20:00
Seomahok time for me to have dinner here20:00
Seomahvidd, thanks so much for your help today20:00
viddas much of a help as i was....20:01
Seomahand to all the others20:01
vidd=]20:01
Seomahcya :)20:01
nikolamSeomah, 710N can do 30-81 horizontal and 56-75 vertical20:01
nikolamOk, I got ot go now, Cu l8r all :) bye vidd20:03
asdf-can someone point me to information regarding xubuntu's security with the default install?20:03
asdf-i can't find anything at the main website20:03
nikolamasdf use Firestarter firewall, it is easy to mantain. Also set root password and secure grub . Look at help.ubuntu.com20:04
asdf-nikolam, thank you20:04
sinboxI thought there was no root in *ubuntu?20:04
asdf-so xubuntu needs extra configuration before it is ready to be connected to the net?20:05
nikolamEvery *nix have root. In Ubuntu root have no password to you can`t use it, and that is ok. But i think it is wise to set it.20:05
sinboxit's fine on a vanilla install asdf20:06
sinboxthen again my sendmail seems to be using a lot of CPU when I never use it20:07
asdf-thank you20:07
nikolamasdf great thing about *buntu is that it does not install any services by default. Desktop distro.20:08
stwestonwhat command do I use to browse files in the file manager (such as Thunar)?20:22
stwestonnevermind! I found it! ^/^20:24
CaptNemocommand?  not sure I understand the question.20:24
stwestonfound it. sorry20:24
stwestonwell, I meant what terminal command could I use to open up thunar to a mounted device.20:25
CaptNemoahh20:25
CaptNemothunar20:25
CaptNemolol20:25
stwestonyes20:25
CaptNemoor sudo thunar if you want root privileges while browsing.20:25
stwestonyes. thank you20:25
CaptNemoyw20:26
stwestonI don't think I want any sudo access to this particular file, though.20:26
stwestonit's a 2nd HDD20:26
CaptNemoyeah, best to not use root unless you have a real need.  but if you want to use thunar to change file permissions and such then you have to be root.20:26
CaptNemo(If you're messing around with the system)20:27
asdf-anyone have a tutorial for getting wifi up and running on xubuntu? info on ubuntuforums.com requires ndiswrapper which is not installed20:27
CaptNemowhat version of xubuntu?20:28
asdf-8.1020:28
CaptNemohmm, I just use the built-in network manager20:28
CaptNemoIt handles wired, the built-in WiFi, and my external 3.5G modem.20:29
nikolamI use wicd instead of Network manager. It is nice and won`t connet if i don`t want to20:29
asdf-under Applications -> Network ... there is no Network Manager or WICD20:29
sinboxvidd you around?depends on your wifi adaptor really asdf: it can be quite frustrating20:29
CaptNemoYeah, wicd is very popular.  I'm considering switching because I would like to run a script when a connection is established and wicd has that ability.20:30
sinboxoopss mixed my lines20:30
nikolamasdf-, System , under System20:30
nikolamthere is wicd in packages.ubuntu.com20:30
asdf-nikolam, not listed20:30
CaptNemoAltho it seems that Network Manager can also run up/down scripts but I have not figured out how yet.20:30
asdf-i am wondering if i missed something during the xubuntu setup20:31
nikolamasdf-, System>Network20:31
asdf-nikolam, not there20:31
asdf-goes Language SUpport and then Services20:31
sinboxdo you know what is your wireless adaptor asdf- ?20:31
asdf-no Network20:31
nikolamasdf-, use lspci to see what PCI wireless card you have20:32
asdf-ath0 or wifi020:32
asdf-Atheros Communications20:32
sinboxI meant what brand & chipset20:32
sinboxah ok20:32
sinboxI think you might need ndiswrapper for atheros, but it depends on which one it is maybe20:33
nikolamasdf-, Now you search how is supported.20:33
asdf-yes, ndiswrapper is not installed by default on xubuntu?20:33
sinboxwell there are a hell of a lot of wifi adapters that don't need it asdf- so no it's not20:34
asdf-if i don't have an internet connection on my newly installed xubuntu computer... can i install applications from the setup CD?20:44
asdf-applications that listed in Add/Remove20:44
asdf-maybe i'm not logged in under a user with permission to access network manager20:47
asdf-is that a possible reason why i am not seeing any of the tools outlined in ubuntu.com tutorials?20:48
sinboxpossibly, and yes you can install anything from the CD if you add it to your sources list20:49
sinboxas long as it's on it obviously20:49
asdf-ok... makes sense... now once i type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' how do i add the CD to the list?20:50
stwestonhow do I reload the XFCE panel?20:51
stwestonI have Terminal open.20:51
asdf-startx20:51
stwestongotcha20:51
arualavixfce4-panel ?20:52
asdf-sinbox, any idea how to install packages from the installation CD?20:53
asdf-it says my wifi card is activated and working20:54
asdf-but network manager is not install20:54
rootnow, how do I stop a certain "infinite loop" in opening Thunar?20:55
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arualaviasdf-, in Software sources, add CD-ROM under Third-Party Software tab20:56
stwestonhow do I stop an infinite loop from happening from opening a mounted device in Thunar whenever I start up?20:56
asdf-arualavi, thank you20:56
stwestonI think it's a problem w/ fstab, but I don't know why.20:56
stwestonI edited it to take it out, but it still happens.20:57
stwestoner... I reverted it back.20:57
stwestonalso, how do I switch from root to my normal user? this weird stuff hasn't happened to me before.20:58
asdf-how do i get the Administration folder under the Applications->System to appear?21:09
sinboxwhich Administration folder asdf- ?21:17
* sinbox goes to fire xubuntu box21:17
asdf-i'm following a wifi tutorial and it points to Network Manager in the Applications drop down box21:20
asdf-but i guess i have to modify the directory myself21:20
asdf-but my wifi card was detected when i relogged back in21:20
sinboxk gimme a minute xubuntu is loading on the other machine now21:21
asdf-thanks21:22
kebon xubuntu 8.10 and later, network manager is in the taskbar, it looks like two comps21:23
asdf-ok... thank you!21:23
bad-wireI don't have an admin folder in Applications>system asdf- , but I have Network, which opens the network settings window21:24
kebi uninstalled it because i have static ip addresses :/21:24
bad-wireI'm on 8.04 though21:24
bad-wirenot 8.1021:24
asdf-bad-wire, i don't have Network21:24
asdf-i am on 8.1021:24
asdf-but the info keb gave me is good enough... it's in the taskbar21:25
bad-wirethere you go then :)21:25
kebdo you see it21:25
asdf-yes, i appreciate the help21:25
kebgreat21:26
redwyrmwhat is the default screensaver?21:41
redwyrmit stopped being used as soon as I installed xscreensaver, then I uninstalled that because it was freezing the computer.  After uninstalling, I didn't have an xflock4 command anymore; it said to install xlockmore, which definitely isn't the default screensaver21:43
* sinbox didn't know there was one21:43
redwyrmsinbox, it just blanks the screen by default (when I lock the screen)21:44
sinboxah yes, mine does that too, I thought you meant some moving thingy like on windoze21:44
redwyrmwhen you move the mouse, it displays a GTK box for typing in the password... also has a switch-user button21:44
redwyrmdo you know what command it is?21:45
redwyrmor what package I should install?21:45
miosoi just installed ubuntu & noticed a bug , when i right clic eject a disc the disc pops out & pops back in immediatly21:45
kebmioso that is a known bug, see the 8.10 release notes21:46
sinboxsorry redwyrm no idea on that from me, maybe someone in #ubuntu could tell you if no one here can21:48
redwyrmhmmm... I don't know if the same screen locker is used in regular Ubuntu21:48
redwyrmworth a try I guess21:48
miosoi reinstalled beacause i had gnome's desktop - themes - apperances  messing up with xfce's , i can't rember if this happened after system update + why is gnome-games-extra a suggested update ?21:49
kebsuggested carries less force than recommended21:50
miososo installing updtaes won't mess up the windows handeling ?21:51
sinboxyou could just have got rid of all the gnome bits instead mioso no?21:52
miosoi tried then booting went onto console21:53
danopiaredwyrm, you using xscreensaver?21:54
miosowhen choosing a bakground picture a file manager window appears but CTRL+1-2-3 doesn't effect files visualisation21:54
redwyrmdanopia, for a while, I was... but that locks up my screen when I start typing my password, sometimes21:56
danopiaredwyrm, oh21:56
redwyrmbefore I installed xscreensaver, I had a different screen locking program21:56
danopiai htink gnome-screensaver is hte default one21:56
redwyrmohhh21:56
redwyrmthank you, danopia21:57
danopiasomething like taht21:57
danopiai'm not sure21:57
danopiai use xscreensaver21:57
redwyrmI'll try that21:57
danopialol21:57
danopiai could boot a livecd insdie a VM and look21:57
redwyrmsure.... if you have time21:57
redwyrmnever mind21:58
danopiatell me if gnome-screensaver isn't it21:58
redwyrmgnome-screensaver is it21:58
danopiaok21:58
danopiagood21:58
miosowhen i resinstalled the partition with my files & os was moved to another partition21:59
miosohow can i read them from the new one, copy & delete the former partition22:00
redwyrmsudo fdisk /dev/sda, then hit p <enter>, then q <enter>.... this will give you a list of partitions on your hard disk22:01
redwyrmis it a linux partition, or windows?22:02
miosoxubuntu partition22:02
redwyrmokay, then it should say "Linux" under the System column22:02
miosodid sudo fdisk /dev/sda/ then it shows : cylinder are size 19546, larger than 102422:04
miosothe command is : sudo fdisk -l22:06
miosoto show the list of disks22:07
redwyrmmioso, the greater than 1024 thing is normal22:08
miososo fdisk -l shows 5 partitions22:08
mioso2 swap 2 linux 1 extended22:09
redwyrmwell, the one that is Linux and not your root partition should be the one22:09
miososo i mount it with gparted ?22:11
redwyrmlike, on my system, the root partition is /dev/sda5 because that's what "df /" says22:11
redwyrmmioso, no22:11
redwyrmsudo mount /dev/partition /mnt/old_disk22:11
redwyrmwhere /mnt/old_disk is a directory you created22:12
redwyrmand /dev/partition is the partition from your other linux installation22:12
miosothe linux are /dev/sda1 & /dev/sda6 here22:12
redwyrmwhich one is your current root partition?22:12
miosothe one with * : 1 so i mount 622:12
redwyrmokay22:12
redwyrmsudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/old_disk22:13
redwyrmthen all the files from your old installation should appear in /mnt/old_disk22:15
miososo the partition with files was sda1 altough it had a * star beside22:15
mioso& thanks to you i successfully mounted the partition after a #$ sudo mkdir /mnt/old_disk22:16
redwyrmgreat22:17
redwyrmI'll be back later22:18
miosoi can delete the partition with fdisk i suppose , enjoy the break22:19
miososometimes the onboard speaker makes a beep22:39
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