[00:12] <moof_> how do i get xubuntu to work with my wireless card?
[00:13] <Shaba1> pray moof
[00:13] <Shaba1> But really
[00:14] <Shaba1> My intenal adapter on my laptop was picked up and turned on autoMAGICALLY by xubuntu.
[00:14] <Shaba1> with windows I have to manually press a button on the laptop to get it to turn on.
[00:15] <moof_> supposedly my wireless card is compatible with xubuntu, (have the drivers and everything) but xubuntu sees things another way i guess.
[00:16] <moof_> wifi-radar keeps telling me that i actually don't have a wireless card.
[00:20] <Shaba1> hmmm
[00:20] <Shaba1> I have not idea moof_
[00:20] <Shaba1> I am just glad that mine works.
[00:20] <Shaba1> I use wicd Becasue I read somewhere on some page that it was better then nm-applet
[00:20] <knome> what is wifi-radar?
[00:21] <Shaba1> Well that worked fine in the previous version of xubuntu before I upgraded to 8.04
[00:21] <knome> Shaba1, for most people, nm-applet should work ok. honestly.
[00:21] <Shaba1> Now it works but I do not get a icon for signal strength on my status bar/panel
[00:21] <knome> i know many people disliking it for several reasons, starting from some decisions made by the developers on how to make it "better"
[00:21] <Shaba1> I think its a programming error with wicd though
[00:22] <knome> but that's offtopic already
[00:22] <Shaba1> true knome
[00:30] <moof_> honestly i'm a total linux newbie, i'm sort of looking for a windows-esque wireless network utility.
[00:30] <knome> moof_, what's wrong with nm-applet?
[00:31] <knome> it's quite straightforward
[00:31] <moof_> ok, i'll install nm-applet
[00:31] <moof_> i'll be right back with the results
[00:31] <knome> it should be installed by default in xubuntu
[00:31] <knome> and running
[00:32] <moof_> run program nm-applet?
[00:32] <knome> yep.
[00:32] <knome> then you should have an icon in the system tray
[00:33] <moof_> when i run nm-applet nothing happens.
[00:34] <knome> do you have system tray in your panel?
[00:34] <moof_> all i have is applications and places
[00:34] <moof_> if i'm understanding your question right
[00:34] <knome> ok, add system tray
[00:35] <moof_> it says that i already have system tray but i don't see it.
[00:35] <knome> hmm.
[00:35] <knome> an icon with two monitors?
[00:36] <moof_> ah, yes.
[00:36] <knome> it is nm-applet
[00:36] <moof_> wired network connection
[00:36] <knome> yes.
[00:36] <moof_> yep i have that
[00:36] <moof_> sorry for my ineptitude
[00:36] <knome> nm-applet doesn't want to connect with wifi if you have wired connection
[00:37] <knome> but once disconnected, see what happens if you left-click the icon
[00:37] <knome> or you could click it now
[00:37] <moof_> ok, so disconnect from my network?
[00:37] <knome> basically you should do that, yes
[00:38] <knome> actually eh
[00:38] <knome> nope
[00:38] <knome> looks like they've patched this
[00:38] <knome> now you can connect to wired *and* wifi
[00:38] <moof_> well i just disconnected.
[00:38] <moof_> what now?
[00:38] <knome> if you left-click the icon, you should see a list of available networks
[00:39] <moof_> left click vpn connections, configure vpn?
[00:39] <knome> nope.
[00:39] <knome> there should be a list
[00:39] <moof_> all i have is "wired network" and that's it.
[00:39] <moof_> no, none.
[00:39] <knome> if you right-click, is wireless enabled?
[00:39] <moof_> if i right click all i have is a checkbox for "enable networking" and "edit connections"
[00:40] <knome> ok.
[00:40] <knome> you used ndiswrapper, right?
[00:40] <moof_> no, i already have a driver for my wireless card installed
[00:40] <knome> how?
[00:40] <moof_> i didn't think ndiswrapper would be necesary
[00:41] <knome> (and what is the carD)
[00:42] <moof_> atheros 802.11
[00:43] <knome> how did you set up the drivers?
[00:44] <moof_> applications > system > hardware drivers
[00:45] <moof_> when i selected it that was the only driver i had on my system.
[00:45] <knome> which driver is it?
[00:45] <moof_> also i installed hostapd and madwofi-tools
[00:45] <moof_> madwifi-tools
[00:45] <moof_> *
[00:46] <moof_> "support for Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards.
[00:46] <moof_> and "Support for 5xxx series of Atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards"
[00:47] <knome> moof_, what output does 'iwconfig' give in terminal?
[00:48] <moof_> every one says "no wireless extensions."
[00:48] <knome> ok, so somehow it is not recognised
[00:48] <knome> did you boot after installing the drivers?
[00:48] <moof_> not immediately afterwards but i did about an hour after installation.
[00:49] <knome> yeah ok
[00:49] <moof_> just out of curiosity how would i find out my wireless card again?
[00:50] <knome> 'lspci' / 'lshw'
[00:51] <moof_> yep it's the atheros
[00:51] <knome> can you paste the complete card name/model
[00:52] <moof_> "01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[00:55] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766169
[00:55] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=863777
[00:55] <knome> have you read those through?
[00:58] <moof_> what's the xubuntu equivalent of the "system" menu?
[00:59] <moof_> like i said, all i have is applications and places.
[01:00] <knome> moof_, applications -> system
[01:02] <moof_> can i just sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper?
[01:02] <knome> i have no experiences on ndiswrapper and don't know if it would help.
[01:02] <knome> just had a quick look on the forums
[01:02] <moof_> yeah you're probably right. after all it says i DO have the driver.
[01:03] <moof_> i can't see how ndiswrapper could help me with this.
[01:09] <moof_> if it helps i'm using an Eee PC, however i'm not using the modified Eee xubuntu.
[01:11] <Shaba1> Ok I cannot help
[01:11] <Shaba1> but what is Eee PC?
[01:12] <knome> moof_, a-ha!
[01:12] <knome> moof_, see this: http://array.org/ubuntu/
[01:13] <knome> moof_, afaik, the 2.6.27- series doesn't work. might as well. i'm running 2.6.24- on my eeepc on intrepid.
[01:14] <knome> Shaba1, it is a small pc.
[01:14] <moof_> sorry i'm dense, what exactly does that mean i have to do?
[01:14] <knome> Shaba1, http://array.org/ubuntu/
[01:15] <Shaba1> huh?
[01:15] <knome> moof_, add the repository(-ies) to your ubuntu installation and install the eeepc-kernel packages
[01:15] <Shaba1> What was that knome
[01:15] <knome> Shaba1, wrong link. ;) right one: http://eeepc.asus.com/global/index.html
[01:15] <Shaba1> was that about my panel icon issue
[01:15] <Shaba1> oh ok
[01:15] <knome> that is eeepc.
[01:15] <Shaba1> I just wanted to know what it was
[01:16] <knome> Shaba1, what was your panel icon issue? :)
[01:19] <squeee> Hi, I was thinking about installing xubuntu, and tried running it using the disc before installation, and I'm stuck at a command prompt, should I reset and try again, or try the command to start up the desktop(which I forgot)?
[01:19] <knome> squeee, this might be a known bug or some problems.
[01:19] <knome> squeee, "startx"
[01:21] <squeee> "xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server" and errno 3
[01:34] <moof_> alright, let's see (hope) this works :(
[01:36] <moof_> dang, no dice
[01:36] <moof_> that should've worked
[02:01] <Shaba1> the wicd icon does not show up in that top panel
[02:01] <Shaba1> althougth Iknow the program is working since I can get online
[02:03] <knome> Shaba1, ah, that one..
[02:12] <Shaba1> yep that one
[02:12] <Shaba1> I will figure it out
[02:12] <Shaba1> it does not matter since the program still works
[02:12] <Shaba1> but i just like to have things the way they were suppose to be
[02:13] <knome> sure
[02:14] <moof_> ok knome i installed the eeepc custom kernel from the site you gave me.
[02:14] <moof_> now wifi-radar and other wifi based applications should work?
[02:14] <knome> moof_, when you boot, make sure the eeepc-kernel is selected in grub
[02:14] <knome> after that - they should
[02:14] <moof_> yep i got that
[02:15] <moof_> "no wifi-device found. exiting."
[02:15] <moof_> christ.
[02:15] <knome> which kernel did you select?
[02:15] <knome> /you have
[02:15] <moof_> the eeepc kernel
[02:16] <knome> which kernel version number? ;)
[02:16] <moof_> dunno, let me restart
[02:16] <knome> no!
[02:16] <knome> :)
[02:16] <knome> 'uname -a' in terminal
[02:16] <knome> or 'uname -r' for the kernel revision only
[02:17] <moof_> linux ubuntu 2.6.27-8-eeepc
[02:17] <knome> ok
[02:17] <knome> try to add the hardy repository
[02:17] <knome> and install 2.6.24-*
[02:17] <knome> and use that
[02:18] <moof_> so you want me to install hardy?
[02:18] <moof_> because i was using intrepid before.
[02:18] <knome> nope
[02:18] <knome> just add the hardy repository
[02:18] <moof_> how do i do that?
[02:18] <moof_> sorry.. hah
[02:18] <knome> like you added the intrepid one
[02:18] <knome> ;)
[02:18] <moof_> ok.
[02:19] <moof_> so you want me to add the hardy kernel?
[02:19] <knome> yes, that is what i'm doing
[02:19] <moof_> will that still be compatible with my computer
[02:19] <moof_> if everything else is intreped
[02:19] <knome> should. if not, just choose other kernel in grub. :)
[02:19] <moof_> alright, i'll try it.
[02:19] <moof_> thanks for all of your help by the way
[02:19] <knome> it works for me so i'm relatively sure it's ok
[02:19] <moof_> be right back.
[02:19] <knome> np
[02:21] <moof_> http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy.html
[02:21] <moof_> do i need to follow all of the instructions are only down to the download eeepc kernel?
[02:21] <moof_> or*
[02:21] <knome> let me have a look
[02:22] <knome> suppose you could just D/L the kernel here: http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html
[02:22] <knome> and install the deb package
[02:22] <knome> but just adding the repository and installing the package is also ok
[02:23] <knome> you get the same result, basically
[02:24] <sikun> why would a the load avg of my laptop be in the 5's ?
[02:24] <knome> sikun, you're running some cpu consuming processes?
[02:25] <knome> or your cpu sucks
[02:25] <knome> ;)
[02:25] <sikun> oh hell.. i just got this laptop.. it overheats
[02:25] <sikun> runs like a POS
[02:25] <sikun> i'm about ready to throw it out a window
[02:25] <knome> sikun, you can see 'top', 'htop' or 'powertop' (you might need to install the latter two)
[02:26] <sikun> ye
[02:26] <moof_> ok so knome
[02:26] <knome> moof_, yes?
[02:27] <moof_> i'm going to be right back with the results
[02:27] <moof_> (hopefully)
[02:27] <moof_> so don't go anywhere
[02:27] <knome> sure. i will be here.
[02:35] <squeee> So I used the CD self scan and it said it found errors in 18 files, is that a problem with the .iso?
[02:35] <knome> squeee, or the burning process.
[02:36] <squeee> Well, I was hoping that there was a confirmed problem with the iso because I can't do much about the burning
[02:37] <knome> did you check the checksums
[02:37] <squeee> Don't know how
[02:37] <knome> !checksum
[02:38] <knome> squeee, you need to check it in windows?
[02:39] <squeee> What am I checking? The iso?
[02:39] <knome> squeee, the checksum. do you have ubuntu installed somewhere or do you need to check it in windows?
[02:39] <knome> squeee, and yes, the is
[02:39] <knome> o
[02:39] <squeee> Then I need to do it in windows
[02:39] <knome> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/iso#checksum
[02:40] <knome> squeee, see that ^
[02:43] <squeee> I'm running Vista, I don't have that directory
[02:43] <moof_> hey
[02:43] <knome> moof_, hello. it works or not?
[02:44] <moof_> knome when i try to install it it just says that the new version of intrepid is up to date
[02:44] <knome> a-ha..
[02:44] <moof_> i did everything in the instructions.
[02:44] <moof_> but i did notice that the commands for installing both would be the same
[02:46] <knome> so you went from synaptic?
[02:47] <knome> moof_, ^ ...or?
[02:47] <moof_> sorry, synaptic?
[02:47] <knome> basically you *should* be able to install several kernel versions with *no* problem
[02:48] <knome> moof_, how did you try to install the package? D/Ld it and double clicked?
[02:48] <moof_> i followed the instructions on the site you showed me
[02:49] <knome> http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html - this one?
[02:49] <moof_> yeah.
[02:49] <knome> so at which point did you get that output?
[02:50] <moof_> after sudo apt-get install linux-eeepc
[02:51] <knome> ah.
[02:51] <knome> you should already have the older kernel
[02:51] <knome> you only needed the first 7 steps
[02:51] <knome> i should've been more verbose :)
[02:52] <knome> in grub, do you see the 2.6.24-* kernel?
[02:52] <moof_> i can reboot and check?
[02:53] <knome> sure.
[02:53] <moof_> k, rebooting.
[02:55] <moof_> all i get in grub are 2.6.27-9-generic and recovery 27-9-eeepc and recovery and 27-7-generic and recovery
[02:55] <moof_> and memtest86+
[02:56] <knome> hmm..
[02:56] <knome> apps -> system -> synaptic
[02:57] <knome> search for "linux-image". what gives?
[02:57] <knome> (you should see 2.6.24-* as installed)
[02:57] <moof_> should i boot in the eeepc kernel?
[02:57] <knome> not necessary.
[02:58] <moof_> well i need to boot in something
[02:58] <knome> nope.
[02:58] <knome> just go to synaptic and search
[03:00] <moof_> what am i searching in synaptic?
[03:00] <knome> 'linux-image'
[03:00] <moof_> ok searched
[03:00] <moof_> top i have linux-image-debug-386
[03:00] <moof_> linux-image
[03:01] <moof_> moblin-image-creator
[03:01] <moof_> etc
[03:01] <knome> yeah. anything which has something to do with 2.6.24 ? :)
[03:03] <moof_> no
[03:03] <moof_> jumps from 2.6.25 to 2.6.23
[03:03] <knome> ok, do you have the .deb packages still somewhere
[03:03] <knome> (on the eeepc)
[03:04] <moof_> how would i go about finding that out?
[03:04] <moof_> (sorry for noobish-ness once again)
[03:04] <knome> you downloaded them from that page? and saved to somewhere, right?
[03:05] <knome> (most possibly ~/Desktop, where ~ is /home/yourusername)
[03:05] <moof_> no, i never downloaded anything from the page
[03:05] <knome> a-ha!
[03:05] <moof_> i just used the terminal
[03:05] <knome> ok, you need the packages
[03:05] <knome> Download, step 2.
[03:06] <moof_> oh wow.
[03:06] <moof_> http://array.org/ubuntu/setup-hardy-alt.html
[03:06] <knome> and then with terminal, proceed to the directory with them
[03:06] <moof_> so do everything on that page?
[03:07] <knome> and supply command at 5.
[03:07] <knome> that's what you need.
[03:07] <knome> 2. and 5.
[03:07] <knome> basically.
[03:07] <knome> just forget everything else
[03:07] <moof_> alright
[03:07] <moof_> i'll let you know what happens
[03:07] <moof_> brb
[03:07] <knome> and then just boot and look for the 2.6.24-* kernel in grub
[03:09] <moof_> is it necessary to put the file it requested i download on a flash drive?
[03:09] <knome> no.
[03:09] <knome> just put it *anywhere*
[03:09] <moof_> ok, so just download it?
[03:09] <knome> yes.
[03:12] <moof_> ok, it's all downloaded
[03:12] <moof_> now sudo dpkg -i linux-image*.deb linux-ubuntu-modules*.deb ?
[03:13] <knome> yes, in the dir the files are
[03:15] <moof_> ok i know this is going to piss you off, and i'm sorry, but the files i downloaded are on the desktop. how do i go to that location?
[03:15] <moof_> i really am a newbie.
[03:15] <moof_> haha
[03:15] <knome> in terminal, just type 'cd Desktop' (note the casing)
[03:16] <moof_> ok, thanks
[03:16] <moof_> :)
[03:16] <moof_> ok it's running.
[03:16] <moof_> be back after restart
[03:17] <knome> yeah.
[03:18] <moof_> still no 2.6.24 in grub
[03:19] <moof_> is that indicative of anything?
[03:19] <knome> really?
[03:19] <knome> hmm.
[03:19] <knome> maybe try again and paste the output of dpkg in ...
[03:19] <knome> !pastebin
[03:19] <moof_> ok
[03:25] <linuxman410> i use xubuntu on my main computer i do not use windows is that safe
[03:26] <moof_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93020
[03:26] <knome> a-ha!
[03:27] <moof_> hmm?
[03:27] <knome> moof_, maybe try dpkg -i linux-image*.deb
[03:27] <knome> moof_, and then linux-ubuntu-modules-*.deb
[03:29] <moof_> "error processing linux-image*.deb (--install): cannot access archive: no such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image*.deb
[03:29] <knome> moof_, cd Desktop?
[03:29] <moof_> yes.
[03:30] <knome> a-ha yes i se
[03:30] <linuxman410> does anyone here use xubuntu as main desktop
[03:30] <knome> linuxman410, yes.
[03:30] <knome> moof_, you sure you downloaded *both* of the fileS?
[03:30] <moof_> here i think i know what's wrong.
[03:30] <moof_> be right back.
[03:30] <knome> np.
[03:32] <knome> i'm starting to be a bit unfocused unwillingly since it's 5:30am
[03:32] <moof_> what time zone are you in knome?
[03:32] <linuxman410> does preload work on xubuntu
[03:32] <knome> linuxman410, preload?
[03:33] <knome> moof_, utc+2 (finlanf)
[03:33] <knome> *finland
[03:33] <linuxman410> yeah i read about it on a linux user group website it makes ubuntu boot faster
[03:33] <knome> linuxman410, it will work on xubuntu then.
[03:34] <moof_> are you a native fin?
[03:34] <knome> linuxman410, the basic architecture is the same, xubuntu just uses xfce as desktop instead of gnome (+ some other minor differences)
[03:34] <knome> moof_, yes :)
[03:34] <moof_> your english is excellent.
[03:34] <moof_> i thought you were american or british. hah.
[03:34] <knome> thanks.
[03:34] <knome> oh, heh
[03:35] <linuxman410> i have done converted  2 of my neighbors to using xubuntu and ubuntu
[03:35] <knome> i'm better at writing/reading than speaking/listening though it works ok as well
[03:35] <knome> linuxman410, great to hear.
[03:36] <moof_> that's normal for europeans and asians.
[03:36] <moof_> normally because they're taught english through books rather than speaking
[03:36] <moof_> ok, restarting.
[03:36] <knome> moof_, yeah. but my english always gets better when i'm abroad for a few days
[03:36] <moof_> let's see what grub says this time.
[03:37] <knome> good luck :)
[03:37] <linuxman410> i like xubuntu it runs good on my p4
[03:37] <moof_> certainly, hah.
[03:40] <moof_> knome, when do you normally go to bed anyway?
[03:40] <knome> moof_, too late. :D
[03:40] <linuxman410> the slowest machine i got it to run on was a 500mhz with 256 ram
[03:40] <knome> moof_, normally as in when i have to wake up, about 2am
[03:40] <knome> moof_, or 1am. :)
[03:41] <moof_> haha
[03:41] <moof_> got the day off i'm assuming?
[03:41] <knome> linuxman410, you can run it with even lower specs, but it will be slow
[03:41] <moof_> xubuntu will run on anything
[03:41] <moof_> it's really amazing in that regard
[03:41] <knome> moof_, christmas holidays until mid january
[03:41] <linuxman410> wow i did not know that
[03:42] <knome> the older xubuntu versions run with older pcs better
[03:42] <knome> 8.10 really needs 256 ram to be at least somehow usable
[03:42] <keb> i like 7.04 for old machines
[03:42] <knome> keb, not a bad choice ;)
[03:43] <linuxman410> i am running it on p4 1.8 and 1 gig of ram and dvd burner and 40 gig harddrive
[03:43] <knome> that's way over the min specs
[03:44] <moof_> agh my eeepc is running dual systems, linux and xubuntu because i don't have a flash drive at the moment (haha) and eeepcs don't have cd drives
[03:44] <linuxman410> it runs good though
[03:44] <keb> by "old" i mean p3 700 with 384MB
[03:44] <moof_> lol, *windows and xubuntu
[03:44] <moof_> sorry, i'm tired too i guess.
[03:44] <knome> i'm running amd64 dual-cpu 4600+ with 4 gigs ram
[03:44] <linuxman410> i do not run windows at all any more
[03:45] <keb> there is a nice eeebuntu distro and custom kernel
[03:45] <linuxman410> i have not run windows in about 8 to 10 years
[03:45] <knome> keb, the array.org ubuntu repository works actually quite nice. :)
[03:45] <keb> yes
[03:45] <moof_> i'm running a dimension e521 with amd 64 processor 3200 1 gig ddr2
[03:46] <moof_> :(
[03:46] <moof_> ok, knome grub now shows both 2.6.27 and 2.6.24
[03:46] <moof_> what now?
[03:47] <keb> wow nice
[03:47] <knome> moof_, select the 2.6.24-* and boot to it.
[03:48] <knome> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93024/
[03:48] <knome> there's my setup :)
[03:48] <knome> it's a bit outdated though
[03:49] <linuxman410> that is a great setup
[03:49] <moof_> better than mine haha
[03:49] <knome> hmm. i also have an a6 wacom tablet
[03:49] <moof_> i ended up getting this one from my friends mother
[03:50] <moof_> who got a "virus" on it
[03:50] <moof_> and sold it to me for 70 bucks
[03:50] <knome> but think of upgrading that as i get a new *TABLE* to fit it in.
[03:50] <moof_> holy crap
[03:50] <moof_> knome you are a god.
[03:51] <knome> not really. i'm just investing in computers rather than many more things
[03:51] <linuxman410> i bought a old compaq p4 2.53 and 768 megs ddr ram and a dvd/cdrw and 40 gig harddrive and i put ubuntu on that one
[03:51] <knome> and i also do need these things to work
[03:52] <moof_> ok wifi-radar works now etc etc
[03:52] <moof_> so
[03:52] <linuxman410> i buy computers cheap at work and turn them in linux boxes
[03:53] <moof_> now do i just boot in the .24 kernel?
[03:53] <knome> moof_, second
[03:53] <moof_> from now on?
[03:53] <knome> moof_, wait :)
[03:56] <knome> moof_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=839215&p=5252796
[04:00] <moof_> how much space does each kernel take up?
[04:01] <moof_> i have really limited hard drive space. haha
[04:01] <knome> mm. actually quite a lot.
[04:01] <knome> but it is way safer *not* to remove any kernels
[04:02] <knome> i mean, safe not to remove the newest
[04:03] <moof_> here's a question
[04:03] <moof_> i used wubi to install xubuntu due to lack of flash drive or cd drive
[04:04] <knome> yes
[04:04] <moof_> so is there any way to delete windows to free up the space for xubuntu?
[04:04] <knome> !partitioning
[04:05] <knome> basically it is hard to resize the root partition, becuase you can't run the system from the filesystem if you're resizing it
[04:06] <knome> but yes, you can remove windows partition and mount it to for example /data
[04:06] <knome> or /home
[04:07] <linuxman410> be right back have to restart just updated
[04:08] <moof_> could you rephrase that for me?
[04:08] <knome> moof_, ouch.
[04:08] <knome> :)
[04:08] <moof_> lol, sorry
[04:08] <moof_> im a noob
[04:08] <knome> moof_, i suppose you only have one linux partition
[04:08] <moof_> ?
[04:08] <knome> ok, let's go one lever up
[04:08] <knome> *level up
[04:08] <knome> or down,
[04:09] <sinbox> stay in the middle
[04:09] <knome> moof_, what does 'mount | grep ext' say in terminal?
[04:09] <moof_> something about mounting a cd or a distribution
[04:09] <moof_> i assume
[04:10] <knome> paste the output, please :)
[04:10] <moof_> oh
[04:10] <moof_> haha
[04:10] <moof_> sorry
[04:10] <moof_> -_-
[04:10] <knome> np
[04:12] <moof_>  /host/ubuntu/disks/root.disk on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[04:12] <knome> ok, so you have one partition for ubuntu
[04:12] <knome> it is mounted as /
[04:13] <moof_> ok
[04:13] <knome> if you'd want to resize that partition, you'd need a flash drive or any other distro
[04:13] <knome> but you can remove the windows partition ('mount | grep fat') and create a new partition for ubuntu
[04:14] <knome> mounted in, for example, /home
[04:14] <knome> so all that space would be reserved for your files in /home
[04:14] <knome> and everything else is in the / partition
[04:14] <knome> you get it? :)
[04:15] <moof_> so what you're saying is that i can essentially delete windows
[04:15] <moof_> and use the space left over for linux?
[04:15] <knome> yes.
[04:16] <knome> how many gigs HD do you have?
[04:16] <moof_> it's the eeepc so not many
[04:16] <knome> yeah, but how many ;)
[04:16] <moof_> what's the command?
[04:17] <knome> df -h
[04:17] <knome> and check the /host/ubuntu ... and tab size
[04:17] <moof_> 16 gigs
[04:17] <moof_> haha
[04:17] <knome> ok.
[04:17] <knome> that's enough
[04:17] <moof_> ipods are bigger than that
[04:17] <moof_> lol.
[04:17] <knome> i have the 4gig version
[04:18] <knome> so i'm really strict on what i install
[04:18] <knome> ;)
[04:18] <moof_> yeah, but i'm running windows on it
[04:18] <moof_> and by me i of course mean
[04:18] <moof_> the previous owner
[04:18] <moof_> installed windows
[04:18] <moof_> hence all of this hassle
[04:18] <knome> that was the linux partition size
[04:19] <knome> but anyway uh
[04:19] <knome> !gparted
[04:19] <knome> you want that package to handle the partitioning
[04:19] <knome> *package=application
[04:20] <moof_> ok, so once i install gparted
[04:20] <moof_> what do i do?
[04:20] <knome> run it and ask me
[04:20] <moof_> ok.
[04:22] <knome> (you can find it in system->partition editor)
[04:22] <moof_> alright the partition editor is opened
[04:22] <moof_> yeah, i know that much
[04:23] <moof_> haha.
[04:23] <knome> ok - what do you see
[04:23] <knome> i suppose two partitions?
[04:23] <moof_> yes
[04:23] <moof_>  /dev/sda1
[04:23] <moof_> and unallocated
[04:23] <knome> unallocated?
[04:24] <knome> what's the size?
[04:24] <moof_> that's what it says under partition
[04:24] <knome> ok
[04:24] <moof_> 3.94 MiB
[04:24] <knome> ok, looks like wubi is doing some magic.
[04:24] <knome> you don't have windows
[04:24] <moof_> dude, i know for a fact i have windows
[04:24] <knome> hmm...
[04:25] <moof_> could something be wrong that would give me this result?
[04:25] <knome> nope.
[04:25] <knome> could the eeepc have two hds?:P
[04:25] <moof_> ohh
[04:25] <moof_> hold on
[04:25] <knome> yes
[04:25] <moof_> ok so i clicked on the button in the top right that says "/dev/sda"
[04:25] <knome> yes
[04:25] <moof_> and it's a drop-down that has
[04:25] <knome> and there is /dev/sdb
[04:26] <knome> ? ;)
[04:26] <moof_> called it
[04:26] <moof_> that one is 15.03
[04:26] <moof_> GiB
[04:26] <knome> and filesystem fat32 ?
[04:26] <moof_> how would i find that out?
[04:26] <knome> oe ntfs
[04:26] <knome> *or
[04:26] <knome> read it on the filesystem tab! :P
[04:26] <moof_> ntfs yes
[04:27] <moof_> gotcha i just realized that
[04:27] <moof_> sorry.
[04:27] <knome> ok, that's the windows partition
[04:27] <knome> do you need any files from it?
[04:27] <moof_> both of them say ntfs.
[04:27] <moof_> no.
[04:27] <knome> ...both?
[04:27] <moof_>  /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[04:27] <knome> uhm.
[04:28] <knome> i must say i'm a bit clueless
[04:28] <knome> i have absolutely no experience on wubi
[04:28] <knome> let me read a few forum posts
[04:28] <moof_> that's alright
[04:28] <moof_> i'm assuming the /sda is xubuntu
[04:28] <knome> mountpoint /
[04:28] <knome> ?
[04:28] <moof_> because it's only 3.76 whereas the sdb is 15
[04:29] <moof_> mountpoint? i'm sorry.
[04:29] <knome> the tab mountpoint
[04:29] <knome> what do they say in both sda and sdb
[04:30] <moof_> i'm not seeing a mountpoint tab
[04:30] <moof_> all i have is partiotion, filesystem, size, used, unused, and flags
[04:31] <moof_> partition*
[04:31] <knome> hmmmmm
[04:31] <stweston_> anyone know how to configure a 2nd HDD to show up in the filesystem?
[04:32] <knome> stweston_, a new unformatted one?
[04:32] <stweston_> not necessarily.
[04:33] <knome> !fstab
[04:34] <stweston_> it currently has a 2nd install of xubuntu, but I would like to get it to be read by this HDD.
[04:34] <knome> stweston_, once or infinitely?
[04:34] <stweston_> ... so that I can wipe the other HDD clean, and have more space, ultimately
[04:34] <stweston_> sorry, but what do you mean?
[04:35] <knome> stweston_, sounds like infinitely.
[04:35] <stweston_> okay. I guess so
[04:35] <knome> stweston_, read the links ubottu pasted
[04:35] <knome> moof_, hmm.
[04:35] <stweston_> sure. thanks.
[04:36] <knome> moof_, i'm all confused by both being ntfs.
[04:36] <knome> moof_, maybe you should wait for somebody else or ask for example #ubuntu (this ain't xubuntu specific)
[04:36] <knome> moof_, 16gigs is going to carry you far
[04:37] <moof_> but if most of it's being taken up by windows
[04:37] <moof_> it doesn't really mean much
[04:37] <knome> moof_, from the df -h output it looks like you have 16gigs in ubuntu
[04:37] <knome> moof_, or eh
[04:38] <knome> not really ;)
[04:38] <moof_> would you like me to paste bin the df -h output?
[04:38] <knome> moof_, the free space in that output of course
[04:38] <moof_> because i'm not really sure  how to read it
[04:38] <moof_> ha
[04:38] <knome> moof_, ok, put it in pastebin
[04:40] <moof_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93039/
[04:40] <knome> a-ha..
[04:40] <knome> interesting
[04:40] <knome> really interesting
[04:41] <knome> i'm actually even more confused
[04:41] <moof_> oh god.
[04:41] <moof_> haha
[04:42] <knome> looks like the sdb is windows, yes. maybe.
[04:42] <stweston_> okay...
[04:42] <knome> moof_, maybe ask somebody else who has experience on wubi
[04:43] <moof_> alright will do
[04:43] <moof_> how much free space do i have though?
[04:43] <moof_> haha
[04:43] <moof_> sorry..
[04:43] <stweston_> question: can secondary internal HDDs be detected by primary HDDs, if connected by an IDE cable?
[04:43] <stweston_> sorry - I think I phrased that wrong.
[04:44] <knome> moof_, 1.38 in / and 2.5G in /host
[04:44] <stweston_> or maybe I didn't? I dunno.
[04:44] <knome> stweston_, possibly your hdd is *detected*
[04:44] <keb> stweston_ the HDDs dont detect anything
[04:44] <stweston_> oh.
[04:44] <knome> keb, you have experience on wubi?
[04:44] <keb> stweston_ do you mean master and slave on primary and secondary ide channels?
[04:45] <keb> knome no
[04:45] <knome> k...
[04:45] <knome> moof_, #ubuntu might be your best shot right now :)
[04:45] <stweston_> yes; they're both Master, and they are on separate channels.
[04:45] <moof_> alright, thanks for all of your help tonight knome
[04:45] <moof_> one last question
[04:45] <knome> moof_, np.
[04:45] <moof_> what do i ask them?
[04:46] <moof_> exactly?
[04:46] <knome> moof_, you have installed *ubuntu with wubi and you want to use all the HD with ubuntu. what do you do :)
[04:46] <keb> stweston_ then what is the question ?
[04:47] <knome> moof_, and see http://xubuntu.org/contribute - if you at any time feel you want to give something back.
[04:47] <stweston_> sorry, the question is how can xubuntu detect the secondary IDE channel?
[04:47] <stweston_> well, first, is it hardware or software?
[04:47] <moof_> alright, will do.
[04:47] <keb> stweston_ it does automatically during boot up
[04:47] <moof_> thanks a bunch. see you later (maybe)
[04:47] <knome> moof_, see you, and have a nice day/night
[04:47] <stweston_> that's not what I mean...
[04:48] <knome> stweston_, what do you have in /media ?
[04:48] <stweston_> I mean, how can I /mount/ the 2nd HDD into xubuntu?
[04:48] <stweston_> lemme check
[04:48] <keb> stweston_ but if your bios doesnt see the secondary ide channel, linux probly wont either
[04:48] <knome> keb, it *won't* if the bios doesn't :D
[04:48] <stweston_> it does, though.
[04:48] <stweston_> it's detected in BIOS
[04:48] <knome> keb, there is not that much black magic ;)
[04:49] <keb> well sometimes an old bios doesnt see large disks
[04:49] <stweston_> it's not large.
[04:49] <stweston_> it's about 4 gig
[04:49] <keb> stweston_ is the 2nd HDD partitioned and formatted already?
[04:49] <keb> you can use gparted to see it
[04:49] <stweston_> it currently is running Xubuntu, as well.
[04:50] <stweston_> so, I'm not sure if they're formatted correctly, but they both run Xubuntu.
[04:52] <stweston_> is anyone there?
[04:52] <knome> stweston_, yes. did you find something in /media ?
[04:52] <stweston_> only cdrom and floppy
[04:53] <knome> k
[04:55] <stweston_> I don't know how I could really help, so...
[04:55] <knome> i'm too tired to be really concentrated anymore. sory
[04:55] <knome> *sorry
[04:55] <knome> maybe ask later again
[04:55] <stweston_> oh. that's fine.
[04:55] <stweston_> thanks anyway, though!
[04:56] <keb> normally the automounter can do it for you if it finds the partitions
[04:57] <keb> but you can also create the mount point directory in /media or /mnt and manually mount to it
[05:00] <stweston_> is there some way to hard-wire it so that it mounts, or does it not matter?
[05:01] <keb> if you put an entry in /etc/fstab it will always mount
[05:01] <stweston_> and how would I go about that? I've got the links up, but I don't understand them.
[05:01] <keb> do you know which partitions are on the drive?
[05:02] <stweston_> only one, I think; the one(s) with Xubuntu on it.
[05:02] <keb> do you know what the system calls that partition?
[05:02] <stweston_> not really.
[05:02] <stweston_> I know there's a swap partition, I think.
[05:03] <sinbox> do you want to keep that other ubuntu install on the 2nd drive?
[05:03] <keb> if you go to your menu and find System, Partition Editor you can see what is where
[05:03] <stweston_> no
[05:03] <stweston_> okay.
[05:03] <keb> but dont change anything ;)
[05:04] <stweston_> no partition editor
[05:04] <keb> oic
[05:04] <stweston_> ? what do you see?
[05:05] <keb> what if you start a terminal and type gparted
[05:05] <stweston_> lemme check
[05:05] <stweston_> the program isn't installed. I'll do that.
[05:05] <keb> ok
[05:06] <stweston_> done
[05:07] <stweston_> wait - it says "only root may run gparted"
[05:07] <stweston_> how do I get to root? (please pardon the noobishness)
[05:07] <keb> yes thats a safety feature.  type gksudo gparted
[05:08] <stweston_> okay
[05:08] <stweston_> there we go
[05:08] <stweston_> okay.
[05:08] <keb> you should be able to see all your hard disks and what the system calls them
[05:08] <stweston_> it shows up!
[05:09] <stweston_> yes
[05:09] <stweston_> /dev/sdb, sounds right
[05:09] <keb> and how they are formatted and which are bootable
[05:09] <keb> well it has to have a number at the end too
[05:10] <stweston_> hm....
[05:10] <stweston_> okay. it's sdb1
[05:10] <stweston_> ext3 filesystem
[05:10] <stweston_> now, how do I get into there?
[05:11] <keb> well gparted may give you a mount option in its menus or right click thing
[05:11] <stweston_> okay.
[05:11] <keb> if not, at least you know what it is called
[05:11] <stweston_> I think it's mounted, but I can't find out how to open it up.
[05:11] <stweston_> the folder, I mean.
[05:12] <keb> if you type 'mount' in a terminal, you will see where it is mounted
[05:12] <sinbox> 5am not a good time to mess with the system
[05:12] <sinbox> night night all
[05:12] <keb> night
[05:12] <stweston_> okay.
[05:12] <stweston_> night!
[05:13] <stweston_> so, then...
[05:13] <keb> did you find it
[05:13] <stweston_> how do I open the filesystem?
[05:14] <stweston_> I know where it is, I found a file with that name, but...
[05:14] <stweston_> I can't find the program it opens with...
[05:14] <keb> did you see it listed in the output of the mount command
[05:14] <stweston_> I can't type that for some reason. is it 'cause Gparted is open?
[05:14] <keb> ah yes could be
[05:15] <stweston_> okay
[05:15] <stweston_> there we go.
[05:16] <stweston_> so, I typed in mount, and got a whole long list. should I search for something?
[05:16] <keb> it should have a folder path listed next to it in the mount output
[05:16] <stweston_> okay
[05:16] <stweston_> wait... next to what?
[05:16] <keb> look for sdb1
[05:16] <stweston_> okay...
[05:17] <stweston_> I don't think it lists it.
[05:17] <stweston_> it only shows /dev/sda1
[05:17] <keb> ok
[05:18] <keb> what do you want to call the other partition and where do you want it to appear?
[05:18] <stweston_> what do you mean, exactly?
[05:18] <keb> well you can give it a name
[05:18] <stweston_> yes
[05:20] <stweston_> okay... I think I'm confused.
[05:21] <keb> for example, if you want to call it xubuntu2 you could mount it at /mnt/xubuntu2 or at /home/stweston_/xubuntu2
[05:21] <stweston_> oh. well, I'm thinking of just having it as extra space once I'm ready.
[05:21] <stweston_> in the meantime, I just need to see if there's anything I need to take across.
[05:21] <keb> for example, if you want to call it extraspace you could mount it at /mnt/extraspace or at /home/stweston_/extraspace
[05:21] <stweston_> okay.
[05:22] <keb> to do that, you need to mkdir the mount point at the right place
[05:22] <stweston_> gotcha
[05:22] <stweston_> I think.
[05:22] <keb> and then you can mount it
[05:22] <stweston_> so, how do I go about that?
[05:23] <keb> mkdir /home/stweston_/extraspace
[05:23] <stweston_> okay...
[05:23] <stweston_> well, how would I get it to link to the other HDD?
[05:23] <keb> mount /dev/sdb1 /home/stweston_/extraspace
[05:23] <stweston_> okay.
[05:24] <keb> oh, you are saying you want the whole partition to be added to an existing partition ?
[05:24] <stweston_> no
[05:24] <stweston_> well, maybe.
[05:25] <stweston_> somewhat.
[05:25] <keb> that would involve the LVM which comes with xubuntu but i dont know about
[05:25] <stweston_> LVM?
[05:26] <keb> !lvm
[05:26] <keb> hmm
[05:26] <stweston_> hm?
[05:26] <keb> the bot was sleeping on the job
[05:27] <stweston_> I honestly don't know what I'm trying to do, but I think it involves erasing the HDD I have, and adding it to the filesystem of this primary HDD.
[05:27] <stweston_> at least, if that's possible.
[05:28] <keb> yes that is possible and that is what the LVM is for
[05:28] <stweston_> and how do I access LVM?
[05:31] <keb> it can be installed using synaptic "lvm2" but then you have to read the howto document to use it
[05:31] <stweston_> hm...
[05:31] <keb> er, thats not the command to install it
[05:31] <stweston_> any other alternatives?
[05:32] <keb> well what i suggested above with mounting, will let you use the drive within your home directory as extra space
[05:32] <stweston_> okay
[05:33] <keb> the tradeoffs are here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/benefitsoflvmsmall.html
[05:35] <knome> ok, good nig... day
[05:35] <knome> ->
[05:35] <keb> :D
[05:37] <stweston_> sweet!
[05:37] <stweston_> it actually mounted into the folder!
[05:37] <stweston_> now, how do I erase the disk?
[05:38] <keb> are you sure your files are in there?
[05:38] <stweston_> I think so...
[05:38] <stweston_> well, how do I copy programs?
[05:38] <stweston_> such as OpenOffice.org?
[05:38] <stweston_> and from where?
[05:38] <keb> you usually dont copy programs, you install them using synaptic
[05:38] <stweston_> okay. that works.
[05:38] <stweston_> then I'm good to go.
[05:38] <keb> data is the only thing that needs to be copied
[05:39] <stweston_> okay. I didn't have any data in the first place, so...
[05:39] <stweston_> yeha.
[05:39] <stweston_> yeah*
[05:39] <keb> what about your old /home folder in the other drive
[05:39] <stweston_> it has the other stuff.
[05:39] <stweston_> sorry - misunderstood.
[05:39] <stweston_> I didn't have anything important on my 2nd HDD.
[05:40] <keb> ok
[05:40] <stweston_> so, just select all the folders and press delete?
[05:40] <stweston_> or what?
[05:40] <stweston_> all the folders in extraspace?
[05:40] <keb> yep
[05:40] <keb> make sure you are pointing to the right ones ;)
[05:40] <keb> yes
[05:40] <stweston_> okay.
[05:41] <stweston_> hm...
[05:41] <stweston_> permission denied.
[05:41] <keb> ok
[05:41] <keb> open a terminal and type mount
[05:41] <stweston_> okay...
[05:42] <keb> if it says read-only or ro next to that folder you will have to re-mount it
[05:42] <stweston_> yup. sdb1 shows up
[05:42] <stweston_> okay...
[05:42] <stweston_> it says rw, but it won't let me.
[05:42] <stweston_> won't let me write, I mean.
[05:42] <keb> probly only root can erase it
[05:42] <stweston_> oh...
[05:43] <stweston_> so, then how do I do that in terminal?
[05:43] <stweston_> or do I need to reboot the system?
[05:43] <keb> nope
[05:43] <stweston_> into the other one and then do some "unwanted" command?
[05:44] <keb> did you mount it using sudo ?
[05:44] <stweston_> yes
[05:44] <keb> ok then type sudo unmount /dev/sdb1
[05:45] <stweston_> unmount: command not found
[05:45] <stweston_> and yes, I typed Sudo
[05:45] <keb> and then mount it again using sudo mount -o user,rw /dev/sdb1 /home/stweston_/extraspace
[05:45] <keb> oops umount
[05:45] <stweston_> okay.
[05:46] <stweston_> okay. done
[05:46] <stweston_> and it shows up, too.
[05:46] <keb> excellent
[05:47] <keb> now you might be able to delete stuff
[05:47] <stweston_> ^.^
[05:47] <stweston_> how so?
[05:47] <keb> either with the graphical file manager or with a command
[05:47] <stweston_> what command?
[05:48] <keb> rm -rf /home/stweston_/extraspace/*
[05:48] <stweston_> wait... lemme try this first...
[05:49] <stweston_> permission denied all across the board.
[05:49] <keb> oic
[05:49] <stweston_> add sudo?
[05:49] <keb> sudo rm -rf /home/stweston_/extraspace/*
[05:49] <stweston_> gotcha
[05:49] <keb> yep, but that is reserved for when you are sure you know what you are doing ;)
[05:50] <stweston_> okay... XD
[05:50] <keb> because it can wipe out the whole system if you arent careful
[05:50] <stweston_> it's almost done...
[05:50] <stweston_> I was careful.
[05:51] <keb> you could also have used gparted to format the drive from scratch, but i didnt know you wanted to do that at the time
[05:51] <stweston_> oh...
[05:51] <stweston_> well, it's all good
[05:54] <keb> night
[05:57] <stweston_> 'night
[09:39] <Seomah> hi all
[09:39] <Seomah> anybody here?
[09:49] <Look4Help> hi tehre... is anyone about?
[09:50] <Seomah> i need help to change my screen res. to 1024
[10:24] <XaeroOne> Hi guys
[10:25] <XaeroOne> I used the live cd of xubuntu 8.10 I am able to ping the computers in the lan and also view the modem config in the browser http://192.168.1.1 but not able to access any site.
[10:25] <XaeroOne> Page not found error
[10:25] <XaeroOne> any quickfixes
[10:25] <XaeroOne> ?
[11:16] <tingle> hi i would like to set a keyboard shortcut so i can maximize application i open but im not sure how i already looked in applications>settings manager>keyboard>shortcuts and then i added a new them but not sure how to add my shortcut
[11:18] <tingle> nevermind i just found out there is a shortcut by default to maximize a window in xfce
[11:18] <tingle> its alt+f5 if someone would like to know..
[12:49] <boerni> in which package can I find the Programs k7burn k6burn etc?
[12:52] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:52] <TheSheep> boerni: search there :)
[12:52] <boerni> I already found it. cpuburn
[12:52] <tingle> good for you :)
[12:54] <boerni> I miss under xubuntu something like eix under gentoo. fast package searching
[12:57] <tingle> boerni: apt-cache search <search>
[12:58] <tingle> is java messy? i need java for a new application but i like my clean install xD
[14:05] <imanaligator2> can anyone give me a tip of a easy to use ftp server with an easy gui
[14:06] <vidd> ftp server with gui? or ftp client?
[14:07] <vidd> imanaligator2, im not sure why you would even need a gui with an ftp server....but if it is the client you want with a gui, then try gftp
[14:09] <imanaligator2> no its the server, i would like to find one where i can easily set permissions, folders, create users etc. without having to touch a conf file
[14:09] <imanaligator2> i used serv-u for my windows iinstallation earlier, and that was very easy
[14:10] <imanaligator2> there i could set up virtual folders and such as well
[14:12] <vidd> so why not get serv-u's linux version?
[14:13] <vidd> nvmd
[14:15] <vidd> imanaligator2, kproftpd looks like it might fit the bill
[14:16] <vidd> http://www.howtoforge.com/proftpd_web_interface_gui_tools
[14:17] <imanaligator2> great, i'll have a look at that, thnx for the tip
[14:17] <vidd> imanaligator2, ProMA  might fit the bill as well...
[14:18] <vidd> same page
[14:19] <vidd> BTW, i found this link by googling "linux ftp server gui"
[14:19] <vidd> it was the fourth link
[14:21] <tingle> what java package do i need if i want to run on application on java? maybe this one? sun-java6-plugin
[14:22] <vidd> sun-java6-plugin is for your browser.....but it will bring in -jre....which is what you need
[14:22] <tingle> imanaligator2: pure-ftpd install it and you can login on your normal account and you can acces you home dir by default
[14:23] <vidd> tingle, that is not what imanaligator2 wants
[14:23] <vidd> he wants virtual hosting....
[14:23] <tingle> vidd: thats to bad..
[14:24] <tingle> vidd: how can i cli see what the package sun-java6-plugin holds?
[14:24] <vidd> im sure there is a way.....
[14:24] <tingle> yeah me too
[14:25] <vidd> ive installed -plugin so many times on so many machines, i just KNOW what packages will come with it =]
[14:25] <tingle> vidd: yeah no problem, i dont doubt your awnser
[14:26] <tingle> vidd: just wondering so i can check package in the futhure whitout haveing to ask in #xubuntu or what ever
[14:27] <vidd> but if you JUST want to run the apps (stand-alone, not in the browser) you want -jre (Java Run-time Environment)
[14:27] <tingle> vidd: yeah i just installed it, it worked thanks
[14:27] <tingle> vidd: the command i was looking for is apt-cache show packagename
[14:28] <vidd> yeah....just found that too....
[14:28] <vidd> resistance is futile....google is your friend.....
[14:29] <vidd> =]
[14:42] <Seomah> hi all i need to change my screen resolution to 1024. Someone knows how?
[14:43] <vidd> Seomah, is it listed in your settings manager?
[14:43] <Seomah> i just can change it from 800x600 to below
[14:43] <Seomah> i edited mu xorg.conf but didn't work
[14:46] <vidd> sounds like your video card driver is not properly detected by HAL
[14:47] <Seomah> i can't even find drivers for it in the web. it's an old sis 300/200
[14:47] <Seomah> there's a lot of post about this but all of them recommend editing the xorg.conf
[14:48] <Seomah> wich i did but didn't work
[14:49] <keb> sometimes the monitor isnt detected properly, expecially if you turn on the computer before the monitor
[14:49] <vidd> did you ever get 1024x800 on windows with this card?
[14:49] <Seomah> yes
[14:49] <Seomah> with windows i didn't have any problem (of this kind)
[14:50] <vidd> did you turn the monitor on b4 or after you booted?
[14:50] <Seomah> mmm at the same time, maybe before
[14:50] <vidd> did you see the Bios POST duruing boot?
[14:50] <Seomah> can it be problem of the monitor and not of the graphics card?
[14:50] <vidd> yes it can
[14:51] <Seomah> yes i saw the post, i entered the bios to see if the card was woeking properly
[14:51] <Seomah> *working
[14:52] <vidd> hrm
[14:52] <keb> in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log it might show which resolutions were rejected at bootup
[14:52] <vidd> in terminal, run xrandr
[14:53] <vidd> pastebin the results
[14:53] <Seomah> it says maximum res. 800x600
[14:53] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:53] <Seomah> want to see it all?
[14:53] <vidd> yes
[14:54] <Seomah> 1 sec
[14:55] <vidd> then pastebin the results of "lspci"
[14:55] <Seomah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93212/
[14:56] <Seomah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93214/
[14:56] <Seomah> in xrandr the resolutions are the same as in display settings
[14:57] <vidd> yeah....i see that
[14:57] <Seomah> the graphic card is correct, is the one i have
[15:01] <vidd> Seomah, have you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg yet?
[15:01] <vidd> (as root)
[15:01] <Seomah> not yet
[15:02] <Seomah> do i make a sudo dpkg...
[15:02] <Seomah> 1 sec
[15:02] <vidd> if you do, try setting the video to "vesa"
[15:02] <vidd> if "vesa" is auto-selected, see if you can find "Sis"
[15:03] <vidd> btw...we know its a problem of the card and not the monitor =]
[15:04] <vidd> Seomah, if these don fix you up, im out of ideas =\
[15:04] <Seomah> when i tipe that line it says actions in conflict -e and -r
[15:04] <Seomah> are you sure of the spelling?
[15:05] <keb> there is no space after dpkg
[15:06] <vidd> Seomah, dpkg-reconfigure is one word...not two
[15:06] <Seomah> 1 sec, I'm in
[15:06] <Seomah> just browsing it
[15:06] <vidd> (good...hes on a different machine =])
[15:07] <Seomah> me?
[15:07] <Seomah> not
[15:07] <Seomah> i'm in this one
[15:08] <vidd> your talking to us on the machine that is having the issue?
[15:08] <Seomah> just finished, it asked me lots of things about the keyboard and nothing about graphics - i think
[15:08] <Seomah> i'm talking in the problematic machine - I just have one monitor here
[15:08] <keb> yes they keyboard is handled in the same reconfiguration
[15:08] <Seomah> the line bewteen
[15:08] <keb> -y
[15:08] <vidd> kbm switches FTW!
[15:09] <Seomah> i'm going to retry
[15:09] <vidd> *kVm hehe
[15:10] <Seomah> nothing there about graphics
[15:11] <Seomah> just the same, more about my keyboard
[15:12] <Seomah> at least the keyboard keeps running fine :)
[15:13] <vidd> dpkg-reconfigure --phigh xserver-xorg
[15:14] <vidd> (might be -phigh)
[15:14] <Seomah> ok
[15:15] <Seomah> yes it's -phigh
[15:15] <Seomah> it just showed that a backup file is done
[15:16] <vidd> i mess that one up alot =]
[15:19] <vidd> Seomah, delete  the xorg.conf file and run "sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again
[15:20] <Seomah> ok
[15:23] <Seomah> argh just the same
[15:23] <Seomah> questions about my keyboard and nothing about graphics
[15:23] <vidd> well...my toolbox is now empty =\
[15:24] <Seomah> it's very annoying to have big letters and a small desktop
[15:24] <Seomah> thank you for your time anyway vidd
[15:25] <vidd> maybe you could splurge on a new used display adaptor =]
[15:26] <Seomah> well the hardware is ok
[15:26] <Seomah> maybe i just have to get used to this resolution
[15:27] <Seomah> it's more the feeling of not being able to do this that gets me mad
[15:27] <tingle> hehe i know what you mean Seomah
[15:27] <tingle> have you tried googling for your awnser?
[15:28] <Seomah> oh yes there's lots of people with this problem but I can't get it fixed
[15:28] <Seomah> and I can't find a suitable driver for my card
[15:29] <knome> Seomah, has there anybody with same problem/card solved it?
[15:29] <Seomah> yes, some people edited their xorg.conf and added some video modes
[15:29] <Seomah> i tried it but it doesn't work
[15:29] <knome> Seomah, with the same card and everything?
[15:30] <Seomah> my xorg keeps resetting
[15:30] <vidd> Seomah, have you rebooted after you changed the video modes in xorg?
[15:30] <Seomah> well not with the same card
[15:30] <Seomah> yes i rebooted, first just the interface with ctr alt backspace, then again the whole pc
[15:31] <vidd> when you set up the xorg, set the driver to "vesa" and add the resolutions
[15:31] <Seomah> where should i add that line? in which section?
[15:31] <vidd> one moment....
[15:34] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93229/ this is my xorg
[15:35] <vidd> you will need line 69 and 71 to match the output from lspci
[15:36] <vidd> line 70 is where you set the driver to vesa
[15:37] <vidd> lines 81-89 will need some editing to properly match lspci output as well
[15:39] <Seomah> i don't have line 71 as is
[15:39] <vidd> are you looking at mine? or yours?
[15:39] <Seomah> mine doesn't have any line with BusID
[15:40] <vidd> so...add it
[15:40] <Seomah> with the same values?
[15:40] <vidd> the busID is from lspci
[15:41] <vidd> what does your lspci say your card is again?
[15:42] <Seomah> 01:03.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 300/305 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 90)
[15:42] <Seomah> the bus ID is 01:03.0 ?
[15:43] <vidd> no, PCI:1:3:0
[15:43] <Seomah> ok
[15:44] <vidd> dont forget the quotes
[15:44] <Seomah> ok the only thing different is in driver, i put "vesa"
[15:44] <Seomah> is it ok?
[15:45] <vidd> no....
[15:45] <Seomah> do i have to put sis also?
[15:45] <vidd> your Identifier = "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 300/305 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter"
[15:45] <Seomah> yes i have that in the proper lines
[15:46] <vidd> Driver = "vesa"
[15:46] <Seomah> i mean that is different and the driver and the pci ID
[15:46] <Seomah> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93235/
[15:46] <vidd> yeah
[15:46] <Seomah> that's my xorg now
[15:47] <vidd> pfft...i see the issue.....
[15:47] <vidd> drop line 5
[15:48] <vidd> line 5 says "disregaurd the settings here and get the settings from "FBDev"
[15:48] <vidd> whatever that is =\
[15:49] <Seomah> oh well
[15:49] <Seomah> i guess i'll try to reboot the X
[15:49] <vidd> good luck...and give me aN UPDATE =]
[15:50] <Seomah> i try it now and come back in 1 minute... if it works
[15:50] <Seomah> if not, it will be more than 1 minute :D
[15:50] <vidd> hehe
[15:50] <Seomah> just to make sure... do i do ctrl+alt+backspace or reboot the whole pc?
[15:50] <vidd> backspace
[15:51] <Seomah> ok back in 1 min
[15:58] <Seomah> pfft now i'm in 640x480
[15:58] <Seomah> at least i can see something
[15:59] <Seomah> i think i'm switching back to the old copy of xorg at least for the moment
[16:04] <Seomah> ok back to the start
[16:04] <Seomah> are you there vidd?
[16:05] <vidd> yeah
[16:05] <Seomah> i think i surrender
[16:05] <Seomah> i got back my original xorg and i don't have that option line
[16:06] <vidd> remove the BusID as well
[16:07] <vidd> and the (rev 90)
[16:07] <Seomah> now i have an empty org. should i add again those lines from lspci?
[16:07] <Seomah> 1 sec
[16:08] <vidd> let me pastebin what you SHOULD have....
[16:09] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93266/
[16:09] <Seomah> this is my whole xorg now, the original of the system: # xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
[16:09] <Seomah> #
[16:09] <Seomah> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
[16:09] <Seomah> # values from the debconf database.
[16:09] <Seomah> #
[16:09] <Seomah> # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
[16:09] <Seomah> # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
[16:09] <Seomah> #
[16:09] <Seomah> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
[16:09] <Seomah> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
[16:09] <vidd> HEY!!!!!!
[16:09] <Seomah> # package.
[16:09] <Seomah> #
[16:10] <Seomah> # Note that some configuration settings that could be done previously
[16:10] <Seomah> # in this file, now are automatically configured by the server and settings
[16:10] <Seomah> # here are ignored.
[16:10] <Seomah> #
[16:10] <vidd> !pastebin
[16:11] <Seomah> i just typed too fast and without lookin - sorry
[16:11] <TheSheep> happens
[16:11] <vidd> lucky my xchat didnt crash =]
[16:12] <TheSheep> vidd: yet :P
[16:12] <Seomah> ok i'm editing the xorg again
[16:12] <vidd> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93266/
[16:12] <vidd> just copy/paste that
[16:14] <Seomah> yes that's what i'm doing, going to reboot now
[16:16] <Seomah> hi again
[16:17] <vidd> any luck?
[16:17] <Seomah> nothing good, my list of availabe resolutions is shorter
[16:17] <Seomah> now is only 800x600 and 640x480
[16:18] <vidd> actually....that is GOOD news
[16:18] <Seomah> uh?
[16:18] <vidd> change the driver from "vesa" to "sis"
[16:18] <Seomah> ok
[16:18] <vidd> it tells us that the resolutions set in xorg are being looked at
[16:21] <Seomah> ok rebooting
[16:23] <vidd> and?
[16:23] <Seomah> the same, just that the resolution list is the original, with more resolutions
[16:24] <Seomah> maximum is 800x600
[16:24] <vidd> TheSheep, is there another "default" video module besides vesa?
[16:24] <TheSheep> vga, it's even more pprimitive
[16:25] <Seomah> now i have "sis"
[16:25] <vidd> Seomah, set the device to "vga"
[16:25] <TheSheep> I hate sis cards with a passion
[16:25] <vidd> me too
[16:25] <Seomah> i'd have to agree by now :D
[16:25] <Seomah> i just noticed my xorg is being overwritten with ever reset
[16:26] <Seomah> i don't have any line for drivers now
[16:26] <Seomah> any change i do is erased and a new xorg is put in place
[16:27] <vidd> pure evil
[16:27] <Seomah> it's the evil elfs living in my pc
[16:28] <Seomah> before the were just annoying but i think they got organized now
[16:28] <vidd> Seomah, yeah...they unionized =]
[16:29] <vidd> its HAL
[16:30] <vidd> he's in the background, looking at your xorg and saying "Im sorry Dave, I just cant do that...."
[16:30] <Seomah> :DDDDD
[16:32] <vidd> lets try an experiment....
[16:32] <Seomah> i'm all for trying new things
[16:33] <vidd> uninstall HAL (sudo apt-get remove hal) and set up your xorg
[16:34] <vidd> use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get keyboard and mouse set up
[16:35] <vidd> otherwise, when you reboot, you wont have access to the keyboard and mouse in x
[16:35] <Seomah> do you mean i can be left with no input?
[16:36] <vidd> well...you would be able to [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1] into tty and access cli
[16:36] <Seomah> ok going to try
[16:37] <vidd> if all goes horribly wrong, reinstall hal
[16:37] <vidd> or fire the evil elf union =]
[16:38] <vidd> 9nvidia makes some cheep video cards....)
[16:38] <Seomah> lol try to find a pci card now
[16:39] <vidd> funny you should say that.....
[16:39] <vidd> i just picked one up at WalMart 2 weeks ago
[16:40] <vidd> my old card wasnt good enough for the new Command and Conquer games (only reason I have a windows machine)
[16:40] <vidd> that old card is now sitting in a drawer collecting dust
[16:41] <knome> ...c&c?
[16:41] <knome> can't you run them under wine :P
[16:41] <vidd> not the new ones
[16:41] <knome> who wants the new ones
[16:41] <knome> :)=
[16:44] <roy_hobbs> What's the little circle button in the title bar of a window in XFCE?
[16:45] <knome> roy_hobbs, sticky.
[16:45] <The_Saker> Hi everybody
[16:45] <knome> roy_hobbs, if it's enabled, the window will show up on all the workspaces
[16:45] <roy_hobbs> ahh
[16:45] <The_Saker> All my panels have dissappeared after I access some Russian website.  how can I restore them?
[16:46] <roy_hobbs> thanks - would never have figured that out because i don't use multiple workspaces
[16:47] <knome> The_Saker, o.O : alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[16:48] <knome> roy_hobbs, if you want, you can disable the icon
[16:48] <The_Saker> knome: ok. let me try
[16:49] <knome> roy_hobbs, (settings manager -> window manager -> "button layout" -> remove the second icon (tooltip: Stick))
[16:49] <The_Saker> knome: you are a pro!!  thanks a lot, my panels are back!
[16:50] <The_Saker> knome: you have any idea why my panels got shot while I was surfing?
[16:50] <roy_hobbs> ah, thanks knome
[16:50] <knome> The_Saker, not really. it is a known bug anyway that the panels disappear.
[16:51] <roy_hobbs> Another question, how come the menu editor only displays a few of the items in my menu
[16:51] <The_Saker> knome: anyway, thanks a lot for the help.  man, I was really getting freaked out by this! thanks A LOT!
[16:51] <knome> roy_hobbs, hmm?
[16:52] <roy_hobbs> If I right click on "Applications" > Edit Menu it takes me to the menu editor
[16:52] <knome> The_Saker, np
[16:52] <The_Saker> bye everybody, thanks for being here!
[16:52] <roy_hobbs> listed there are only 4 items
[16:52] <knome> roy_hobbs, the "--- include ---" -item includes system menu
[16:52] <roy_hobbs> ahh
[16:52] <knome> roy_hobbs, built from .desktop files
[16:52] <roy_hobbs> i see
[17:01] <CaptNemo> Hmm, I thought there was a package I could grab with Synaptic called gtk-devel or something that would fetch the entire GTK development environment in one shot but I can't find it.
[17:01] <TheSheep> gtk development environment?
[17:02] <CaptNemo> Yeah, the libs and the widget designer and examples, and the whole bit.
[17:02] <TheSheep> "the" widget designer? there are several...
[17:02] <CaptNemo> I thought there was a shortcut package somewhere in Synaptic that would fetch the whole mess at once.
[17:03] <TheSheep> and for which language?
[17:03] <CaptNemo> It's difficult for a newb to know which packages to fetch.
[17:03] <knome> CaptNemo, these "shortcut" packages are called meta packages, by the way.
[17:03] <CaptNemo> C and/or C++
[17:03] <TheSheep> well, just grab any gtk tutorial and it will tell you what you need...
[17:03] <CaptNemo> Ahh, good.  Learn something every day.  :)
[17:03] <CaptNemo> Hmm, okay I'll do that.  Thank you.
[17:04] <TheSheep> CaptNemo: you want libgtk2.0-dev and libgtk2.0-doc
[17:04] <TheSheep> CaptNemo: and either glade or gazpatcho
[17:04] <TheSheep> devhelp is useful too
[17:05] <CaptNemo> Cool.  Ahh, I think I found what I had read about:  libgtk2.0-dev
[17:05] <TheSheep> it's not a meta package, it only contains the headers for the library
[17:07] <Seomah> hi again - now I have a problem
[17:08] <Seomah> how to reinstall Hal?
[17:08] <Seomah> vidd, you there?
[17:09] <TheSheep> I don't think reinstalling would help
[17:09] <Seomah> i removed hal and i'm left with no input
[17:09] <Seomah> neither my keyboard nor my mouse work now
[17:09] <TheSheep> O.o
[17:09] <Seomah> I'm here because i rebooted from my cd
[17:09] <Seomah> obviously :D
[17:10] <TheSheep> ok, chroot to your install and install hal back
[17:10] <vidd> Seomah, [alt]+ctrl]+[f1]
[17:10] <vidd> will get you into tty
[17:11] <Seomah> yeah i can enter tty
[17:11] <Seomah> then i do the apt get install hal
[17:11] <vidd> once you are in tty, you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:11] <vidd> no....
[17:11] <Seomah> i tried but it doesn't work
[17:11] <vidd> try fixing xorg first
[17:11] <vidd> ah
[17:12] <TheSheep> vidd: I thik the new xorg requires hal...
[17:12] <TheSheep> not sure though
[17:12] <vidd> TheSheep, no....
[17:12] <Seomah> the dkpg-reconfigure works apparently, but then i exit tty and the graphics are still
[17:13] <Seomah> and it asks me for a date but i have no input
[17:13] <vidd> Seomah, you need to restart x....
[17:13] <Seomah> i restarted the whole pc
[17:13] <TheSheep> vidd: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[17:13] <vidd> in tty, run the reconfigure, then "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[17:16] <Seomah> ok trying it - it will be a long while
[17:23] <CaptNemo> TheSheep, would you recommend glade or gazpatcho for a newb?
[17:23] <keb> hmm. Xorg.0.log does not contain the record of attempted video resolutions anymore in 8.10
[17:23] <TheSheep> no idea, glade is longer around and has more tutorials...
[17:24] <CaptNemo> TheSheep, True.  I thought I read somewhere that glade is at the end of its life.
[17:24] <TheSheep> nah, it's still kicking
[17:24] <CaptNemo> haha
[17:32] <CaptNemo> TheSheep, Well, it may still be kicking but I believe I read that it's old and not recommended for new development.  If that's true then a newbie should not standardize on it.
[17:50] <keb> brasero is not able to mount dvds created with iso9660 v3
[17:50] <keb> but the system can see them ok
[18:54] <keb> Seomah did you see this page http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#24
[18:56] <Seomah> taking a look now tx keb
[18:57] <vidd> hey.... wb Seomah
[18:58] <Seomah> hi vidd
[18:59] <Seomah> i had to reinstall the system, got stuck without keyboard or mouse
[18:59] <sinbox> no need for those
[19:00] <Seomah> :d
[19:01] <Seomah> keb, that web just says to: Just place all modes you wish to use in the list of modes in the Screen-section of your XF86Config(-4)/xorg-conf
[19:01] <keb> do you have a direct mental interface
[19:01] <vidd> so when ya re-installed, did ya get the right resolutions?
[19:01] <keb> Seomah pretty much, but it also gives conditions where it won't work regardless
[19:02] <Seomah> mmm i have plenty of those thank you :D
[19:02] <Seomah> it says it should work with 1024x800
[19:02] <Seomah> *768
[19:03] <sinbox> resolutions can be a pain
[19:03]  * sinbox is worried by xorg.conf
[19:14] <nikolam> hi. I did something stupid: I did jigdo-lite jaunty-alternate-amd64.jigdo
[19:14] <nikolam> to download new release and gave him DVD image to compare
[19:14] <nikolam> But it is downlading and downloading and.. uhhh
[19:15] <nikolam> here it is output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93341/
[19:16] <nikolam> I think he is downloading same .iso over and over again..
[19:16] <nikolam> Should I delete all data it downloaded and just get an .iso over http, like before?
[19:17] <nikolam> Or it is building a Dvd of a new release somehow?
[19:18] <vidd> get the image over http or ftp
[19:18] <nikolam> Co just to be clear. He was downloading same .iso like multiple times for no reason?
[19:18] <keb> looks like it had the whole image already downloaded
[19:18] <vidd> well...jaunty is the next release due out in april
[19:19] <nikolam> Maybe it would behave if I was giving it CD image to compare instead of DVD?
[19:19] <vidd> so no "official" support HERE for it
[19:19]  * vidd does not use jigdo
[19:20] <nikolam> keb I see no image as it, It made dir of packages with 1.8GB data in it
[19:20] <vidd> perhaps try bittorrent?
[19:20] <nikolam> vidd It is not about release. It is about jigdo-lite ....
[19:20] <nikolam> ok. Thank guys. I will figure it out.
[19:21] <vidd> there is a "connection time out"
[19:21] <vidd> this coulds be because you are trying to get an image that is being updated
[19:21] <nikolam> vidd yes and after that it continues .. multiple times
[19:21] <nikolam> ok ok.
[19:21] <vidd> try it with a current release and see if you have the same issue'
[19:22] <nikolam> I will download with wget next time and not try to play smart
[19:22] <nikolam> ;,,,)
[19:22] <vidd> hehe
[19:23] <vidd> it could also be your ISP throttling your connection
[19:23] <vidd> this is why i say "try with a version you know is not going to be getting changed halfway through the download"
[19:24] <nikolam> vidd I think not, I have 78-79K Max, anyway.
[19:24] <nikolam> I use 8.04 for myself
[19:25] <vidd> did you get that via jigdo?
[19:25] <nikolam> But I figured that after all problems with 8.10 After release I should do something about 9.04
[19:25] <nikolam> vidd, yea yea, dont mention jigdo anymore, argh ;)
[19:25] <vidd> there were problems with 8.10?
[19:26] <nikolam> vidd yup with that nasty CD/DVD opening bug. Maybe not fixed still
[19:26] <vidd> hrm...havent heard of it
[19:26] <nikolam> And I see many stupid bugs in 8.10 not happening in 8.04
[19:27] <nikolam> so to me 8.10 is regression. I am sticking to LTS
[19:27] <nikolam> But I make new packages for it and also I would try to test 9.04 all the way to make shure it does not happen again with final
[19:28] <vidd> the only thing i dont like about 8.10 is that recommends are installed by default
[19:28] <nikolam> vidd, Whaaat? Recommends are-installed automatically????
[19:28] <vidd> destroys the whole "xubuntu is lighter then ubuntu" theory
[19:29] <nikolam> vidd That is just braindead. I don`t like it at all
[19:29] <nikolam> Is there a bug about that issue?
[19:29] <vidd> its deliberate
[19:29] <vidd> its a "feature" not a "bug"
[19:29] <nikolam> Did anyone in Ubuntu was sayin why?
[19:30] <vidd> "because Debian did it years ago"
[19:30] <nikolam> Lets post a bug so that everyone see `wontfix`
[19:30] <vidd> or along those lines
[19:31] <nikolam> So when I install, like, gedit, synaptic pulld whole Gnome? ;,,)
[19:31] <vidd> something like that
[19:32] <vidd> probably will pull all of ubuntu in
[19:32] <vidd> not just gnome
[19:32] <nikolam> Aargh
[19:32] <vidd> especially if someone had "ubuntu-desktop" as a recommend
[19:33] <knome> nikolam, echo 'apt::Install-Recommends "0" ;' | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu
[19:33] <knome> nikolam, knome changed status as fixed
[19:33] <vidd> i install cli-only and run the command knome just posted
[19:33] <vidd> knome, that isnt a fix
[19:33] <vidd> the issue remains
[19:34] <knome> it is, for single user/installation ;>
[19:34] <vidd> that is only a "work-around"
[19:34] <knome> bah
[19:35] <sinbox> I  had never heard about RIMM until about 3 minutes ago
[19:35] <sinbox> :/
[19:35] <vidd> nikolam, i dont think synaptic pulls recommends in (yet)
[19:36] <vidd> but apt and aptitude do
[19:36] <vidd> sinbox, rimm?
[19:37] <sinbox> exactly what my thoughts were vidd : Rambus RDRAM memory
[19:37] <sinbox> now I know why my friend got given that computer
[19:38] <vidd> isnt that like "extinct ram"?
[19:40] <sinbox> yep, it got extincted by the dinosaurs in fact
[19:41] <vidd> not only did it have to be installed in pairs, but MATCHED pairs
[19:41] <sinbox> I'm not even gonna start installing something on that machine waste of time, and he wouldn't have money to buy memory even if he could find some
[19:42] <vidd> his board probably cant handle more ram
[19:42] <nikolam> vidd I would expect that synaptic do and apt does not. uhh
[19:44] <nikolam> sinbox, maybe you should search on ebay or something. Someone who doesn`t know what it is, like you could sell it chep :)
[19:44] <vidd> nikolam, so far as I know, sysnaptic does not pull rules from apt.conf directory, but from an internal source
[19:44] <nikolam> vidd anyway, those recommended packages install is no issue for us at LTS :)
[19:45] <nikolam> For next.. few years :)
[19:46] <sinbox> nikolam, I'll give it away on freecycle, some poor soul is bound to go for it thinking they're getting a great deal, just like my friend did.
[19:46] <vidd> nikolam, anyone that still has RIMM (aka "hasnt sent those old relics to the scrap heap") know they have a gold mine (if their stuff still works)
[19:47] <vidd> sinbox, you could probably hock the ram for more then he paid for it....
[19:47] <Seomah> vidd, I'm happy i solved the problem
[19:47] <vidd> how much ram he got?
[19:47] <vidd> Seomah, how?
[19:47] <Seomah> if anyone has problems with the resolution ask me how
[19:48] <sinbox> 128Mb of RAM on there: low end as it gets, and I am suposed to install XP for him so he can run cubase for his course
[19:48] <Seomah> vidd, i had to add to lines to the xorg: the horizontal and vertical refresh rates
[19:48] <Seomah> look my xorg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93360/
[19:48] <sinbox> haha! I have resolution problems on my other box Seomah, so I might pick your brain.
[19:49] <vidd> Seomah, well...yeah...so it knew what kind of monitor you have
[19:49] <Seomah> it's lines 27 and 28
[19:49] <Seomah> you have to know the values, from the manual of the monitor
[19:49] <stweston> how do I edit files within terminal?
[19:49] <Seomah> at least for me it has worked
[19:49] <stweston> such as, editing as root?
[19:50] <nikolam> stweston, with nano command. ctrl-x for exit, it asks to save it
[19:50] <stweston> gotcha
[19:50] <vidd> Seomah, yeah...that is in my xorg that i showed ya b4
[19:50] <Seomah> stweston, the easier thing for me is sudo mousepad name_of_file
[19:50] <nikolam> stweston, sudo nano /path/file
[19:50] <stweston> gotcha
[19:50] <Seomah> vidd, but if i put something more it doesn't work
[19:51] <Seomah> vidd, it has to be just those two lines
[19:51] <stweston> now, how do I make it so that the disc this links to always loads on boot?
[19:51] <nikolam> Seomah, What graphic card you have? look with lspci
[19:51] <stweston> er... on login?
[19:51] <Seomah> nikolam, i have a sis 300/305 - but now i solved my problem
[19:51] <vidd> nikolam, he has an achient SIS card
[19:52] <nikolam> ok :)
[19:52] <Seomah> ancient is a nice way to say it :D
[19:52] <nikolam> Im my natural language, SIS means TIT :)
[19:52] <Seomah> crappy old is another
[19:52] <vidd> Seomah, get you a post-it or something and attach those lines to the monitor
[19:52] <vidd> in case you need them again =]
[19:52] <Seomah> :DDD
[19:53] <Seomah> i found a post about that, but had to take out some lines
[19:53] <stweston> hello? I'm trying to mount /dev/sdb1 on startup. is it possible by editing a file?
[19:53] <vidd> nikolam, where ya from? west verginia?
[19:53] <nikolam> vidd :)) Nope, Europe, Serbia
[19:54] <vidd> stweston, yes, /etc/fstab
[19:54] <stweston> okay. thanks... I think.
[19:54] <stweston> so, then... "sudo mousepad /etc/fstab"?
[19:54] <vidd> nikolam, here in america, "sis" is a nickname for "sister"
[19:54] <nikolam> stweston, or gksu mousepad :)
[19:54] <stweston> okay.
[19:54] <Seomah> in case you want to read it (and know spanish :D ): http://aprendiendoateclear.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/resolucion-de-pantalla-en-ubuntu-kubuntu-y-xubuntu/
[19:55] <nikolam> vidd yes yes, I know :)
[19:55] <vidd> so you see my point yet?
[19:55] <Seomah> ok now, after 10 hours i can change my resolution. Now to connect to the lan :DD
[19:55] <nikolam> Seomah, Ahh, don`t know spanish, shame on me :)
[19:55] <Seomah> the important thing is the code at the half
[19:56] <vidd> Seomah, that should be rather painless (unless of course ya mean wifi)
[19:56] <Seomah> vidd, i just took off the "Option DPMS" and it worked
[19:56] <nikolam> Seomah, please include exact monitor model/type so that someone could find it when searching with keywords on google.com
[19:56] <Seomah> vidd, i don't know, but i want to have a remote desktop between my xubuntu and a windows XP
[19:57] <stweston> okay... so I've been working on editing fstab just now so that I can mount /dev/sdb1 on boot... tell me if this is right:
[19:57] <nikolam> Seomah, To use Xp desktop on ubuntu or vice versa
[19:57] <stweston> /dev/sdb1	/home/stweston/extraspace	auto	none	0	0
[19:57] <vidd> to linux from window, windows to linux, or both?
[19:57] <Seomah> my monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 710N, and my graphics card is a SiS 300/305
[19:57] <Seomah> vidd, both
[19:57] <Seomah> vidd, master would be windows
[19:58] <vidd> Seomah, linux has vncviewer built in by default....
[19:58] <stweston> anyone see problems?
[19:58] <nikolam> Seomah, I think you have rdp client included in xubuntu default install
[19:58] <Seomah> the idea is having linux running in the old pc without monitor or keyboard and accesing from the new pc
[19:58] <vidd> so go to your M$ machine and install a vnc server
[19:58] <sinbox> I see problems everywhere: they think they're ok.
[19:58] <nikolam> Seomah, I was thinking, put that monitor info on your blog
[19:59] <stweston> XD
[19:59] <sinbox> sorry stweston I know nothing about fstab :)
[19:59] <stweston> okay. 's fine
[19:59] <Seomah> nikolam, ahh i thought but that is not my blog sorry
[19:59] <stweston> well, I think I've put in the right properties; if not, I'm assuming it will let me know.
[19:59] <sinbox> have you made a backup of your stab before editing it though stweston ?
[19:59] <stweston> no, I haven't.
[20:00] <stweston> should I?
[20:00] <sinbox> fstab*
[20:00] <vidd> stweston, ALWAYS
[20:00] <stweston> gotcha. thanks
[20:00] <sinbox> always a good idea when editing files to make a backup first, then again I have a very short memory
[20:00] <stweston> for the tip, I mean.
[20:00] <Seomah> ok time for me to have dinner here
[20:00] <Seomah> vidd, thanks so much for your help today
[20:01] <vidd> as much of a help as i was....
[20:01] <Seomah> and to all the others
[20:01] <vidd> =]
[20:01] <Seomah> cya :)
[20:01] <nikolam> Seomah, 710N can do 30-81 horizontal and 56-75 vertical
[20:03] <nikolam> Ok, I got ot go now, Cu l8r all :) bye vidd
[20:03] <asdf-> can someone point me to information regarding xubuntu's security with the default install?
[20:03] <asdf-> i can't find anything at the main website
[20:04] <nikolam> asdf use Firestarter firewall, it is easy to mantain. Also set root password and secure grub . Look at help.ubuntu.com
[20:04] <asdf-> nikolam, thank you
[20:04] <sinbox> I thought there was no root in *ubuntu?
[20:05] <asdf-> so xubuntu needs extra configuration before it is ready to be connected to the net?
[20:05] <nikolam> Every *nix have root. In Ubuntu root have no password to you can`t use it, and that is ok. But i think it is wise to set it.
[20:06] <sinbox> it's fine on a vanilla install asdf
[20:07] <sinbox> then again my sendmail seems to be using a lot of CPU when I never use it
[20:07] <asdf-> thank you
[20:08] <nikolam> asdf great thing about *buntu is that it does not install any services by default. Desktop distro.
[20:22] <stweston> what command do I use to browse files in the file manager (such as Thunar)?
[20:24] <stweston> nevermind! I found it! ^/^
[20:24] <CaptNemo> command?  not sure I understand the question.
[20:24] <stweston> found it. sorry
[20:25] <stweston> well, I meant what terminal command could I use to open up thunar to a mounted device.
[20:25] <CaptNemo> ahh
[20:25] <CaptNemo> thunar
[20:25] <CaptNemo> lol
[20:25] <stweston> yes
[20:25] <CaptNemo> or sudo thunar if you want root privileges while browsing.
[20:25] <stweston> yes. thank you
[20:26] <CaptNemo> yw
[20:26] <stweston> I don't think I want any sudo access to this particular file, though.
[20:26] <stweston> it's a 2nd HDD
[20:26] <CaptNemo> yeah, best to not use root unless you have a real need.  but if you want to use thunar to change file permissions and such then you have to be root.
[20:27] <CaptNemo> (If you're messing around with the system)
[20:27] <asdf-> anyone have a tutorial for getting wifi up and running on xubuntu? info on ubuntuforums.com requires ndiswrapper which is not installed
[20:28] <CaptNemo> what version of xubuntu?
[20:28] <asdf-> 8.10
[20:28] <CaptNemo> hmm, I just use the built-in network manager
[20:29] <CaptNemo> It handles wired, the built-in WiFi, and my external 3.5G modem.
[20:29] <nikolam> I use wicd instead of Network manager. It is nice and won`t connet if i don`t want to
[20:29] <asdf-> under Applications -> Network ... there is no Network Manager or WICD
[20:29] <sinbox> vidd you around?depends on your wifi adaptor really asdf: it can be quite frustrating
[20:30] <CaptNemo> Yeah, wicd is very popular.  I'm considering switching because I would like to run a script when a connection is established and wicd has that ability.
[20:30] <sinbox> oopss mixed my lines
[20:30] <nikolam> asdf-, System , under System
[20:30] <nikolam> there is wicd in packages.ubuntu.com
[20:30] <asdf-> nikolam, not listed
[20:30] <CaptNemo> Altho it seems that Network Manager can also run up/down scripts but I have not figured out how yet.
[20:31] <asdf-> i am wondering if i missed something during the xubuntu setup
[20:31] <nikolam> asdf-, System>Network
[20:31] <asdf-> nikolam, not there
[20:31] <asdf-> goes Language SUpport and then Services
[20:31] <sinbox> do you know what is your wireless adaptor asdf- ?
[20:31] <asdf-> no Network
[20:32] <nikolam> asdf-, use lspci to see what PCI wireless card you have
[20:32] <asdf-> ath0 or wifi0
[20:32] <asdf-> Atheros Communications
[20:32] <sinbox> I meant what brand & chipset
[20:32] <sinbox> ah ok
[20:33] <sinbox> I think you might need ndiswrapper for atheros, but it depends on which one it is maybe
[20:33] <nikolam> asdf-, Now you search how is supported.
[20:33] <asdf-> yes, ndiswrapper is not installed by default on xubuntu?
[20:34] <sinbox> well there are a hell of a lot of wifi adapters that don't need it asdf- so no it's not
[20:44] <asdf-> if i don't have an internet connection on my newly installed xubuntu computer... can i install applications from the setup CD?
[20:44] <asdf-> applications that listed in Add/Remove
[20:47] <asdf-> maybe i'm not logged in under a user with permission to access network manager
[20:48] <asdf-> is that a possible reason why i am not seeing any of the tools outlined in ubuntu.com tutorials?
[20:49] <sinbox> possibly, and yes you can install anything from the CD if you add it to your sources list
[20:49] <sinbox> as long as it's on it obviously
[20:50] <asdf-> ok... makes sense... now once i type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list' how do i add the CD to the list?
[20:51] <stweston> how do I reload the XFCE panel?
[20:51] <stweston> I have Terminal open.
[20:51] <asdf-> startx
[20:51] <stweston> gotcha
[20:52] <arualavi> xfce4-panel ?
[20:53] <asdf-> sinbox, any idea how to install packages from the installation CD?
[20:54] <asdf-> it says my wifi card is activated and working
[20:54] <asdf-> but network manager is not install
[20:55] <root> now, how do I stop a certain "infinite loop" in opening Thunar?
[20:56] <arualavi> asdf-, in Software sources, add CD-ROM under Third-Party Software tab
[20:56] <stweston> how do I stop an infinite loop from happening from opening a mounted device in Thunar whenever I start up?
[20:56] <asdf-> arualavi, thank you
[20:56] <stweston> I think it's a problem w/ fstab, but I don't know why.
[20:57] <stweston> I edited it to take it out, but it still happens.
[20:57] <stweston> er... I reverted it back.
[20:58] <stweston> also, how do I switch from root to my normal user? this weird stuff hasn't happened to me before.
[21:09] <asdf-> how do i get the Administration folder under the Applications->System to appear?
[21:17] <sinbox> which Administration folder asdf- ?
[21:17]  * sinbox goes to fire xubuntu box
[21:20] <asdf-> i'm following a wifi tutorial and it points to Network Manager in the Applications drop down box
[21:20] <asdf-> but i guess i have to modify the directory myself
[21:20] <asdf-> but my wifi card was detected when i relogged back in
[21:21] <sinbox> k gimme a minute xubuntu is loading on the other machine now
[21:22] <asdf-> thanks
[21:23] <keb> on xubuntu 8.10 and later, network manager is in the taskbar, it looks like two comps
[21:23] <asdf-> ok... thank you!
[21:24] <bad-wire> I don't have an admin folder in Applications>system asdf- , but I have Network, which opens the network settings window
[21:24] <keb> i uninstalled it because i have static ip addresses :/
[21:24] <bad-wire> I'm on 8.04 though
[21:24] <bad-wire> not 8.10
[21:24] <asdf-> bad-wire, i don't have Network
[21:24] <asdf-> i am on 8.10
[21:25] <asdf-> but the info keb gave me is good enough... it's in the taskbar
[21:25] <bad-wire> there you go then :)
[21:25] <keb> do you see it
[21:25] <asdf-> yes, i appreciate the help
[21:26] <keb> great
[21:41] <redwyrm> what is the default screensaver?
[21:43] <redwyrm> it stopped being used as soon as I installed xscreensaver, then I uninstalled that because it was freezing the computer.  After uninstalling, I didn't have an xflock4 command anymore; it said to install xlockmore, which definitely isn't the default screensaver
[21:43]  * sinbox didn't know there was one
[21:44] <redwyrm> sinbox, it just blanks the screen by default (when I lock the screen)
[21:44] <sinbox> ah yes, mine does that too, I thought you meant some moving thingy like on windoze
[21:44] <redwyrm> when you move the mouse, it displays a GTK box for typing in the password... also has a switch-user button
[21:45] <redwyrm> do you know what command it is?
[21:45] <redwyrm> or what package I should install?
[21:45] <mioso> i just installed ubuntu & noticed a bug , when i right clic eject a disc the disc pops out & pops back in immediatly
[21:46] <keb> mioso that is a known bug, see the 8.10 release notes
[21:48] <sinbox> sorry redwyrm no idea on that from me, maybe someone in #ubuntu could tell you if no one here can
[21:48] <redwyrm> hmmm... I don't know if the same screen locker is used in regular Ubuntu
[21:48] <redwyrm> worth a try I guess
[21:49] <mioso> i reinstalled beacause i had gnome's desktop - themes - apperances  messing up with xfce's , i can't rember if this happened after system update + why is gnome-games-extra a suggested update ?
[21:50] <keb> suggested carries less force than recommended
[21:51] <mioso> so installing updtaes won't mess up the windows handeling ?
[21:52] <sinbox> you could just have got rid of all the gnome bits instead mioso no?
[21:53] <mioso> i tried then booting went onto console
[21:54] <danopia> redwyrm, you using xscreensaver?
[21:54] <mioso> when choosing a bakground picture a file manager window appears but CTRL+1-2-3 doesn't effect files visualisation
[21:56] <redwyrm> danopia, for a while, I was... but that locks up my screen when I start typing my password, sometimes
[21:56] <danopia> redwyrm, oh
[21:56] <redwyrm> before I installed xscreensaver, I had a different screen locking program
[21:56] <danopia> i htink gnome-screensaver is hte default one
[21:56] <redwyrm> ohhh
[21:57] <redwyrm> thank you, danopia
[21:57] <danopia> something like taht
[21:57] <danopia> i'm not sure
[21:57] <danopia> i use xscreensaver
[21:57] <redwyrm> I'll try that
[21:57] <danopia> lol
[21:57] <danopia> i could boot a livecd insdie a VM and look
[21:57] <redwyrm> sure.... if you have time
[21:58] <redwyrm> never mind
[21:58] <danopia> tell me if gnome-screensaver isn't it
[21:58] <redwyrm> gnome-screensaver is it
[21:58] <danopia> ok
[21:58] <danopia> good
[21:59] <mioso> when i resinstalled the partition with my files & os was moved to another partition
[22:00] <mioso> how can i read them from the new one, copy & delete the former partition
[22:01] <redwyrm> sudo fdisk /dev/sda, then hit p <enter>, then q <enter>.... this will give you a list of partitions on your hard disk
[22:02] <redwyrm> is it a linux partition, or windows?
[22:02] <mioso> xubuntu partition
[22:02] <redwyrm> okay, then it should say "Linux" under the System column
[22:04] <mioso> did sudo fdisk /dev/sda/ then it shows : cylinder are size 19546, larger than 1024
[22:06] <mioso> the command is : sudo fdisk -l
[22:07] <mioso> to show the list of disks
[22:08] <redwyrm> mioso, the greater than 1024 thing is normal
[22:08] <mioso> so fdisk -l shows 5 partitions
[22:09] <mioso> 2 swap 2 linux 1 extended
[22:09] <redwyrm> well, the one that is Linux and not your root partition should be the one
[22:11] <mioso> so i mount it with gparted ?
[22:11] <redwyrm> like, on my system, the root partition is /dev/sda5 because that's what "df /" says
[22:11] <redwyrm> mioso, no
[22:11] <redwyrm> sudo mount /dev/partition /mnt/old_disk
[22:12] <redwyrm> where /mnt/old_disk is a directory you created
[22:12] <redwyrm> and /dev/partition is the partition from your other linux installation
[22:12] <mioso> the linux are /dev/sda1 & /dev/sda6 here
[22:12] <redwyrm> which one is your current root partition?
[22:12] <mioso> the one with * : 1 so i mount 6
[22:12] <redwyrm> okay
[22:13] <redwyrm> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/old_disk
[22:15] <redwyrm> then all the files from your old installation should appear in /mnt/old_disk
[22:15] <mioso> so the partition with files was sda1 altough it had a * star beside
[22:16] <mioso> & thanks to you i successfully mounted the partition after a #$ sudo mkdir /mnt/old_disk
[22:17] <redwyrm> great
[22:18] <redwyrm> I'll be back later
[22:19] <mioso> i can delete the partition with fdisk i suppose , enjoy the break
[22:39] <mioso> sometimes the onboard speaker makes a beep