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[01:25] <fta> Error: this.windowToFocus.content is null
[01:25] <fta> Source File: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.2a1pre/components/nsSessionStore.js
[01:25] <fta> Line: 2153
[01:35] <fta> (impossible to restore a session)
[03:51] <jcastro> did some update change window management or something? I'm getting weird fullscreen thing in both jaunty and intrepid.
[03:51] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/308897
[03:51] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 308897 in compiz "new firefox windows take up entire screen" [Undecided,New]
[03:51] <jcastro> looks just like this
[09:12] <gnomefreak> do we use #ubuntu-desktop for evolution questions or #evolution?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> was X fixed?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> bug 231679
[09:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 231679 in flashplugin-nonfree "Have to restart firefox to view flash content" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231679
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[09:40] <gnomefreak> morning asac
[09:41] <gnomefreak> bug 220340
[09:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 220340 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox 3 beta 5 won't import or restore bookmarks" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220340
[10:52] <gnomefreak> bug 311530
[10:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 311530 in firefox-3.0 "firefox troubleshutting" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311530
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[15:04] <asac> hi
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[15:09] <fta> hi
[15:10] <asac> fta: so it seems you survived christimas ;) ... hope you could get some rest
[15:30] <fta> :)
[15:42] <armin76> bumb
[16:37] <fta> asac, when I hover a link, the url in the status bar is immediately replaced by "Done". this is annoying. Any idea what could be causing that?
[19:24] <asac> fta: on shiretoko?
[19:24] <asac> 3.2pre?
[19:30] <asac> fta: is that for all tabs or just for some tabs?
[19:31] <asac> statusbar info is usually a "push" ... if you see a done from a separate document would be interesting to see which that is
[19:31] <fta> asac, on both 3.1 and 3.2
[19:31] <fta> all tabs
[19:31] <fta> even in safe mode
[19:32] <asac> fta: what kind of special prefs do you have?
[19:33] <asac> hmm gone ;)
[19:33] <fta> X crashed, again
[19:34] <asac> poor fta
[19:34] <asac> you seem to suffer from jaunty ;)
[19:34] <asac> fta: what gtk version do you have?
[19:34] <fta> jaunty
[19:34] <asac> i dont have that yet ;)
[19:35] <fta> you should
[19:35]  * asac feels lame ;)
[19:35] <asac> yes
[19:35] <asac> i was about to upgrade my main system
[19:35] <asac> i have to keep the intrepid thing for a NM backport batch i still have to finish
[19:35] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93849/
[19:37] <asac> are those EE things harmless?
[19:37] <fta> i tried the last 3 nvidia versions, nada. the new X hates me
[19:37] <asac> fta: have you tried nv?
[19:37] <asac> at least that shouldnt be as crashy i hope
[19:38] <fta> yes, it crashes when i move a window slightly out of the viewscreen
[19:38] <asac> so we are on 1.5.99 (git snapshot) again :/
[19:38] <fta> totally useless for me
[19:39]  * Jazzva thinks about upgrading to jaunty... safe, exciting :)?
[19:39] <asac> for me it sounds like X is broken enough for you to cause all kind of wierd issues even in ffox
[19:39] <asac> random X events ;)
[19:39] <asac> i think i first have to uninstall bunch of crap
[19:39] <Jazzva> heh :)
[19:39] <asac> otherwise upgrade will take a day
[19:40] <Jazzva> "ok... let's start work on that project... hmm, X crashed. that must be a sign not to work" :)
[19:40] <fta> 2:1.5.3-1ubuntu1 was fine, since the 2:1.5.99.3-0ubuntu3 upgrade, i'm doomed
[19:42] <asac> yeah ... sounds like a massive bump ;)
[19:42] <asac> but be assured ... currently removing kde stuff
[19:42] <asac> then i will upgrade ;)
[19:43] <Jazzva> asac, two new patches for nspluginwrapper were published today. I'll prepare -0ubuntu2 later tonight, so you can upload it.
[19:43] <Jazzva> but now to upgrade to jaunty...
[19:43] <asac> Jazzva: do we need to prepatch it?
[19:44] <asac> Jazzva: arent those committed to svn? maybe we are better off by merging that to bzr?
[19:44] <Jazzva> I didn't pull the current trunk for 1.2.0, as Gwenole mentioned it's not really usable in one mail.
[19:45] <Jazzva> what do you mean to "prepatch"?
[19:45] <asac> Jazzva: prepatch -> add patches to debian/patches from mailing list
[19:45] <asac> Jazzva: vs. merge new commits through means of svn/bzr
[19:45] <Jazzva> ah, yes...
[19:45] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1023039
[19:46] <Jazzva> I would add them to debian/patches, and once trunk gets usable, we can remove them...
[19:46] <asac> how maybe packages do you have installed?
[19:46] <asac> dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:46] <Jazzva> maybe=many?
[19:46] <Jazzva> 1853
[19:47] <asac> yeah
[19:47] <asac> fta: t?
[19:47] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:47] <fta> 2171
[19:47] <fta> fta@voyager:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:47] <fta> 1874
[19:48] <fta> fta@cube:~ $ dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:48] <fta> 1522
[19:49] <asac> ok ... thanks ;) ... after removing kde stuff i have
[19:49] <asac> dpkg -l  | grep ^ii | wc -l
[19:49] <asac> 2675
[19:49] <asac> i think i should remove some but its ok
[19:49] <asac> hmmm ... any command line to upgrade (or just apt-get dist-upgrade ;))?
[19:50] <fta> update-manager -c -d :)
[19:50] <Jazzva> sed -i "s/intrepid/jaunty/g" /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; is what I do :)
[19:50] <crimsun> fta: if you're running jaunty w/ proprietary Nvidia, you need to downgrade and pin (to) xserver-xorg (7.4~5ubuntu5), xserver-xorg-core (1.5.3-1ubuntu1), and xserver-xorg-input-evdev (2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6). you may need to downgrade and pin (to) xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (0.15.2-0ubuntu7) if you have that hardware, too.
[19:50] <fta> i use apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:50] <asac> Jazzva: i guess dist-upgrade ;)
[19:50] <asac> no upgrade
[19:50] <Jazzva> yeah :)
[19:51] <asac> fta: i think i always did ... wonder if its a good idea to do different now
[19:51] <asac> hmm
[19:51] <asac> ok going for dist-upgrade
[19:51] <crimsun> fta: that's precisely the system i've been using for about a week across suspend-to-disk/resume just fine. i'm about to reboot for 2.6.28-4-generic, tho'.
[19:51] <Jazzva> asac: it's just easier to me to spot dpkg breakages that way :)
[19:51] <asac> what is 28-4?
[19:52] <crimsun> asac: just newer kernel that begins the "move stuff out of initramfs back into linux" also rebased against 2.6.28 final.
[19:52] <crimsun> part of the larger "improve boot times" specs
[19:52] <asac> hmmm archive.ubuntu.com mirror is really bad for me the last few days
[19:53] <fta> crimsun, is there a bug for that (x crashes with nvidia) that i can follow? so i'm not stuck forever
[19:53] <asac> crimsun: is 2.6.28 final no?
[19:53] <crimsun> asac: yes
[19:53] <crimsun> fta: were you also experiencing the crashes w/ the previous jaunty X server?
[19:53] <asac> so my 2.6.28-rc8 is outdatd ;)
[19:53] <fta> crimsun, no, only in the last 10 days or so
[19:54] <crimsun> fta: so only after you upgraded to the new X server with 1.6 abi?
[19:55] <crimsun> asac: yeah, 91.189.88.45 and 91.189.88.46 seem to have some response time issues
[19:55] <asac> now switched to german mirror ... only one listed as "up-to-date"
[19:55] <asac> 1335 upgraded, 93 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[19:55] <asac> Need to get 1346MB of archives.
[19:55] <asac> After this operation, 502MB of additional disk space will be used.
[19:56] <fta> crimsun, i don't remember exactly, i upgrade quite often, but i don't reboot/kill X when i can avoid it so i'm not sure what caused all my troubles
[19:56] <asac> that sounds like an endless bump
[19:56] <asac> why half a gig more space :(
[19:56] <asac> bloatware
[19:56] <fta> crimsun, i now have a second mouse cursor after a while, and shortly after, X crashes
[19:57] <crimsun> fta: yeah, it sounds like you hit the abi bump. try downgrading those packages i mentioned
[19:58] <crimsun> the 1.6 abi X server is extremely unstable for me regardless which Nvidia drivers i test (177.x, 180.x)
[19:59] <fta> E: Version '7.4~5ubuntu5' for 'xserver-xorg' was not found
[19:59] <crimsun> fta: you have to pull from lp
[19:59] <fta> gasp
[19:59] <crimsun> they're already superceded from the archive pool
[20:00] <crimsun> yeah, it was a pita. that's what i was doing the week after uds.
[20:00] <asac> i still have 20min to abort the upgrade ;)
[20:00] <asac> is X busted for ati too?
[20:00] <crimsun> asac: for fglrx? probably.
[20:00] <asac> ati is good enough
[20:00] <asac> fglrx doesnt even work for me in intrepid
[20:00] <asac> no more games :(
[20:00] <fta> asac, read the release notes of alpha 2
[20:01] <crimsun> can't speak for either, actually. i've got awful geforce go hardware that only works with vesa or Nvidia :/
[20:06] <asac> hmmm jaunty/main openoffice.org-writer 1:2.4.1
[20:06] <asac> still no 3?
[20:06] <crimsun> not yet, just in a ppa\
[20:06] <fta> nope, we discussed that during uds
[20:07] <fta> "not stable enough" was the reason invoked
[20:07] <asac> there are outstanding MIRs
[20:07] <asac> too
[20:08] <asac> so wouldnt build i think
[20:08] <asac> at least not if we dont demote ooo for a while
[20:08] <asac> too bad ... mirror slows down
[20:08] <asac> back to 30 minutes download time left
[20:12] <Jazzva> asac: don't feel bad :). I have 2Mbps downlink, and 30 minutes left to finish... at the start there was 676MB of updates.
[20:12] <asac> heh
[20:12] <asac> back to 14min ETA ;)
[20:12] <asac> 48% downloaded
[20:13] <Jazzva> 41% downloaded... see what I'm talking about?
[20:13] <asac> hehe
[20:13] <jcastro> asac: heh I just upgraded yesterday
[20:13] <asac> jcastro: brave ;) ... do you still have X?
[20:13] <jcastro> yeah
[20:14] <jcastro> my desktop has nvidia so all the x stuff is still held back
[20:14] <jcastro> but the laptop went without a hitch
[20:14] <asac> lets hope that all the breakage is worth it and drivers finally get to decent state for ffox/cairo ;)
[20:15] <asac> jcastro: ok ... nv doesnt work for you?
[20:15] <jcastro> I need twinview so I never use nv
[20:20] <Jazzva> I hope that bug with mic jack on inspiron 1525 is fixed in jaunty :)...
[20:27] <Jazzva> crimsun: I wanted to ask you about that... I found the info to change the alsa model, but it didn't help (I forgot the name of the conf file). Also, it seems it was fixed in the kernel at one place, but the jack is still not working. Against which project should I report a bug?
[20:27] <fta> crimsun, i have 36 broken packages now
[20:41] <crimsun> fta: you need to downgrade the xserver-xorg-*, probably
[20:42] <crimsun> fta: i removed all the irrelevant [for my hardware] xserver-xorg-*, so i only have xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
[20:43] <crimsun> Jazzva: linux
[20:43] <crimsun> Jazzva: there's an existing bug report IIRC
[20:43] <crimsun> i'm triaging linux [well, the @ubuntu-audio] later this afternoon
[20:43] <crimsun> just spent an hour chasing down a localised change that was breaking gnome-session :/
[20:44] <Jazzva> crimsun: I searched a month ago, there was something similar, but not the same back then... I will report if it still exists in jaunty
[20:44] <Jazzva> (or try to find the bug you mentioned)
[20:44] <crimsun> Jazzva: sure, i will probably give you a patch if it's still reproducible in 2.6.28-4-generic
[20:44] <Jazzva> crimsun, thanks :D
[20:45] <crimsun> now, reboot for me =)
[20:45] <Jazzva> 10-20 packages left to download :)
[20:46] <Jazzva> lilo? we're not using grub anymore?
[20:53] <asac> Jazzva: probably your individual decision at some point ;)
[20:54] <crimsun> (right, grub is the default)
[20:54] <crimsun> ok, suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk [+ resume] both for my hardware in 2.6.28-4-generic
[20:55] <crimsun> so, no current regressions from 2.6.28-3-generic
[20:55] <Jazzva> asac: I never chose lilo :)
[20:55] <crimsun> ok, now back to fixing pulseaudio =)
[20:56] <[reed]> asac: mozilla bug 458612 -- looks like Mozilla says it's an Ubuntu problem
[20:56] <ubottu> Mozilla bug 458612 in GFX: Thebes "(Ubuntu) system fontconfig settings override GNOME font rendering screen settings" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612
[20:57] <asac> [reed]: thought we already knew that ;)
[20:58] <fta> it's my bug ;)
[20:58] <[reed]> yeah, so fix it :)
[20:59] <asac> fixing seems non-trivial
[20:59] <asac> fta: can you document the current evaluation status somewhere?
[21:04] <asac> hit bug 304417
[21:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 304417 in libgnome "package libgnome2-0 2.24.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/gnome-open.1.gz', which is also in package libgnome2-common" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/304417
[21:04] <asac> continued
[21:14] <fta> crimsun, when playing openarena on my laptop, the sound is crappy for the 1st run, then p-a dies. it seems it also triggers an oops: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93897/ and when this happens, it's impossible to restart p-a
[21:15] <asac> fta: thats a wireless stack thing
[21:15] <fta> on my desktop, openarena and p-a are a bad couple too. p-a dies (asserts) quite easily
[21:16] <fta> asac, maybe
[21:16] <fta> let me find a trace when wifi is disabled with the kill switch
[21:17] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/93899/
[21:17] <asac> fta: consider to unload the iwl modules
[21:18] <asac> hmm
[21:18] <Jazzva> hmm, looks like it's done
[21:18] <asac> seems graphics driver related ;)
[21:19] <asac> /build/buildd/linux-2.6.28/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c
[21:19] <asac> Jazzva: lucky you ;)
[21:19] <asac> Jazzva: mine is still rumbling
[21:19] <asac> tooo many packages ;)
[21:19] <fta> asac, maybe but it's only when playing o-a, and the result is p-a dying
[21:19] <asac> unpacking
[21:20] <Jazzva> heh... just to check that lilo stuff, and then I'm off to reboot
[21:20] <asac> fta: is oa crashing=
[21:20] <asac> ?
[21:20] <fta> sometimes
[21:20] <fta> or freezing
[21:20] <asac> fta: i mean. when pa breaks, does oa crash/freeze in advance?
[21:21] <fta> but it used to work fine, and i'm quite sure it hasn't been updated in a while
[21:21] <Jazzva> reboot
[21:21] <fta> oa continues without sound but freezes on quit
[21:26] <Jazzva> yay. everything's good so far...
[21:26] <asac> anyone runs ext4?
[21:26]  * Jazzva dinner
[21:40] <crimsun> fta: what's at the top of backtrace when pa dies?
[21:45] <fta> crimsun, a few secs before the oops, i see: pulseaudio[6242]: asyncmsgq.c: Assertion 'pa_asyncq_push(a->asyncq, &i, TRUE) == 0' failed at pulsecore/asyncmsgq.c:164, function pa_asyncmsgq_send(). Aborting.
[21:46] <fta> crimsun, something like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93909/
[21:46] <crimsun> ok, will look at in a bit
[21:46] <crimsun> so many bug e-mails :/
[21:48] <Jazzva> crimsun, nope... mic jack still not working. I can just hear noise, whether mic is connected or not...
[21:49] <crimsun> Jazzva: go ahead and file a bug affecting linux, and attach the output from http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[21:50] <crimsun> (you'll need to download and execute it as a bash script)
[21:50] <Jazzva> crimsun, thanks, I will...
[22:01] <Jazzva> crimsun, bug 311817
[22:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 311817 in linux "External microphone jack not working on Dell Inspiron 1525" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311817
[22:09] <crimsun> Jazzva: are you referring to the mic-in or the actual mic built into the top of the screen?
[22:10] <Jazzva> crimsun: internal microphone is working fine, I don't have the second one built in the top of the screen. I'm referring to the microphone jack, for the external microphone
[22:14] <crimsun> Jazzva: your 1525 isn't a studio 15, is it?
[22:15] <Jazzva> crimsun: I think that studio 15 is 1535, but they might be similar
[22:17] <crimsun> right, i thought the 153x were, but i'm a bit behind on the dell model numbers
[22:19] <Jazzva> crimsun: looking at the studio 15 spec, I would say they're pretty much the same (there is a small difference in CPU). they both say they use "High Definition Audio 2.0".
[22:20] <crimsun> Jazzva: right, unfortunately that description is next to useless
[22:21] <Jazzva> I know...
[22:21] <crimsun> i pretty much have to read the codec dumps themselves, what a pita.
[22:23] <fta> my laptop is also a 1525
[22:25] <crimsun> fta: do you have the same issue with non-functional recording from mic?
[22:25] <crimsun> (not built-in mic [front mic] but mic-in jack)
[22:25] <fta> i don't know, i'm not using the mic
[22:27] <crimsun> man, this sucks. to get you a test fix, i'll have to get you a new snd-hda-intel.ko.
[22:28] <Jazzva> crimsun: I'm willing to help, if I can...
[22:30] <crimsun> Jazzva: you'll need to be running 2.6.28-4-generic
[22:30] <crimsun> ugh, here goes the 100 MB git pull
[22:34] <[reed]> something is very broken on the latest ubuntu kernel
[22:34] <[reed]> it continues to kill both my thinkpads
[22:34] <crimsun> [reed]: on 2.6.28-4.5?
[22:34] <[reed]> I've had to revert to an old kernel
[22:34] <[reed]> no, the latest intrepid one
[22:34] <[reed]> I don't dogfood my OS... I do enough dogfooding with my web browser ;)
[22:36] <fta> crimsun, my chromium git tree is > 2G
[22:36] <fta> 2.5G+
[22:37] <crimsun> fta: 100 MB over a 14.4 kbps dialup is extremely painful
[22:39] <fta> crimsun, last time I used 14.4k was > 15y ago
[22:44] <fta> asac, the statusbar bug in firefox disappeared since i downgraded X
[22:45] <crimsun> my hunch was that symptom was due to the x.org abi mismatch
[22:45] <crimsun> (bug in the Nvidia driver)
[22:46] <fta> i tried the latest nvidia driver too (from the nvidia website)
[22:47] <fta> because at some point last week, all the nvidia drivers in jaunty caused X to crash at startup
[22:51] <crimsun> fta: none of them are compatible with the new x.org server abi
[22:53] <fta> crimsun, that i knew, but i was stuck in a corrupted console so i dropped splash from grub, rebooted and tried the driver from nvidia, and it worked.
[22:54] <crimsun> right, disabling usplash works around the video mode programming bugs, but it'll still crash nondeterministically
[22:54] <crimsun> (well, at least in my experience; ymmv)
[22:56] <Jazzva> great... updated to 2.6.28-4 and wlan is not working :)
[22:57] <crimsun> there's no l-r-m for -4.5 yet
[22:57] <Jazzva> ah...
[22:58] <Jazzva> when are they planned to come out?
[22:59] <crimsun> as soon as they're accepted
[23:00] <crimsun> source is currently in NEW queue due to abi bump and thus, new binary packages
[23:00] <crimsun> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+queue
[23:00] <Jazzva> thanks for the info
[23:09] <crimsun> oh wait, i have linux-source. short circuit!
[23:11] <rzr> asac: hi, do we also support epiphany ? I have a patch to merge for this on flashblock
[23:16] <asac> rzr: how are flashblock and epiphany related?
[23:17] <asac> or do you refer to ephys own flashblock (which it probably has)
[23:17] <rzr> no it said to support mozilla one
[23:17] <rzr> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/FlashBlock
[23:18] <rzr> I can do this job for jaunty
[23:19] <asac> rzr: hmm try to use toolkit@mozilla.org as target application
[23:19] <asac> and install the flashblock extension in /usr/share/xulrunner-addons/extensions
[23:19] <asac> instead of firefox-addons
[23:20]  * rzr 's reading about toolkit@mozilla.org
[23:22] <asac> rzr: use minversion 1.9 and maxversion 1.9.0.*
[23:22] <asac> (if it works well with ffox 3.1 use max 1.9.1.*
[23:22] <asac> )
[23:23] <rzr> what a mess
[23:23] <asac> why?
[23:23] <asac> sounds straight forward ;)
[23:25] <rzr> well too late to work on this ...
[23:25] <rzr> maybe an other (free) time
[23:28] <crimsun> Jazzva: ah crap, i just realized you're on i686
[23:29] <Jazzva> crimsun, can I build the needed module?
[23:29] <crimsun> Jazzva: oh well, instead of giving you the compiled kernel module, i'll give you the diff and walk you through compiling it in #ubuntu+1
[23:29] <Jazzva> crimsun, the channel #ubuntu+1?
[23:30] <Jazzva> crimsun: I'm there, feel free to start whenever you are ready :)
[23:30]  * asac reboot 2.6.28
[23:41] <asac> back
[23:55] <fta> hm, the branding is wrong