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| seele | was there a kmail update recently? | 04:09 |
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| crimsun | 4:4.1.80-0ubuntu3 Superseded in jaunty-release on 2008-12-16 by 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1 | 04:15 |
| ScottK | seele: Do you get the usability theory behind this notifications thing sadbfl wants us to do? | 04:19 |
| seele | ScottK: i haven't read his article but i've talked to him and other UX people about it. notifications for only ephemeral information makes sense | 04:20 |
| seele | the problem is pushing the responsibility of actionable information on applications and relying on them handling it in a sane way | 04:21 |
| ScottK | I can understand not requiring interaction. | 04:22 |
| ScottK | It's the not allowing it that seems to me to be madness. | 04:22 |
| crimsun | are ephemeral notifications really useful, though? do you really want to know that a cd-rom was just plugged in via an intrusive bubble? | 04:22 |
| seele | GODDAMNIT KMAIL CRASHED AGAIN | 04:22 |
| seele | excuse me | 04:22 |
| * seele sighs | 04:22 | |
| ScottK | crimsun: There's that too. | 04:22 |
| seele | i imagine the level of notification can be configured | 04:23 |
| ScottK | My cel phone beeps whenever it finds/loses the network. As a result, I leave the sound off. | 04:23 |
| crimsun | i would hope so, but deciding what's sane would be a major point of contention in my book. perhaps most everyone else thinks differently. | 04:23 |
| seele | yeah.. thats where the "user research" and "design" part comes in :P | 04:24 |
| ScottK | seele: it seems counter-intuitive to me that if a notification pops up and I want to deal with it, that I can't click on it and get taken to whatever it's about. | 04:24 |
| seele | ScottK: then the wrong type of information is being sent as a notification. if it is something that is likely actionable it should be handled otherwise | 04:25 |
| seele | part of the problem is the existing system doesnt work with the new desig model so lots of people are confused how it will work | 04:25 |
| seele | in theory it's a sound design. there just isn't a PoC yet to make everyone feel at ease about it | 04:25 |
| ScottK | Then I'm not sure I understand what a notification would be. | 04:25 |
| * ScottK goes and looks at the video again. | 04:27 | |
| seele | the other problem with the design is that they expect the defaults to work for all users and all use cases | 04:27 |
| seele | which different users use their computer differently so their notification needs will obviously be different | 04:27 |
| seele | if you get hundreds of emails a day, you probably don't want notifications that a new email has arrived. but you might want to know when a coworker emails you vs. when you get a mailing list message | 04:28 |
| ScottK | In there sample video they use IM messages as an example. I definitely might want to interact with those. | 04:28 |
| seele | some users might not care when a friend is online via chat or not, but a college student might, etc. | 04:28 |
| seele | the thing about the notifications is they don't last long, so by the time you notice the bubble and read it, it will be gone | 04:29 |
| ScottK | seele: Were there really UDS sessions on this? | 04:29 |
| seele | their solution is that when the bubble dissappears, it goes in to the IM clicky thing. You clicky the thing and you get your message | 04:29 |
| seele | ScottK: no, these were mostly side discussions. a community problem with this design proposal was the way they unveiled it :P | 04:30 |
| ScottK | OK. Well sabdfl's blog post led me to a different conclusion. | 04:30 |
| seele | but back to the IM thing. so you see the bubble disappear in to X and so you go and click on X because that is the last location you saw the bubble go to | 04:30 |
| seele | oh well maybe i misunderstood it and filled in the design gaps with my own ideas | 04:31 |
| seele | like i said, i didn't read it yet, ive only talked about it with some of the design people | 04:31 |
| nosrednaekim | as a humble user, I generally dislike notifications, unless they are for a fairly rare occurance, or to differentiate an every-day event from an important one | 04:31 |
| ScottK | That might at least make sense. His blog post explicitly says no clicking to followup. | 04:31 |
| seele | wait, what don't you understand? about the bubble disappearing in to the chat button thing? | 04:31 |
| seele | no.. not clicking the bubble | 04:31 |
| seele | you click the chat icon in the panel thing | 04:31 |
| ScottK | seele: I understand what you are saying, I'm just not sure it's consistent with what he said. | 04:32 |
| nosrednaekim | that somewhat makes sense... but why not just flash the IM system tray icon? | 04:32 |
| ScottK | As long as it comes with a disable option, it's not such a big deal. My reaction was pretty much along the lines of what I read in asiego's blog. | 04:33 |
| seele | nosrednaekim: the example is in gnome, not kde. they are trying to get rid of system tray icons and only use icons in the tray when they mean something | 04:33 |
| nosrednaekim | yech | 04:33 |
| nosrednaekim | I don't like that idea | 04:33 |
| ScottK | Stick with KDE then. | 04:33 |
| seele | ScottK: yes, the new fdo spec they are working on should support that | 04:33 |
| nosrednaekim | :P | 04:33 |
| crimsun | i really abhor notifications | 04:33 |
| ScottK | Actually quassel is a good example of it almost done right. | 04:34 |
| ScottK | I get a nice ephemeral pop-up that I can dismiss early if I want to when I get highlighted. | 04:34 |
| nosrednaekim | ScottK: agreed, I appreciate those notifications | 04:34 |
| ScottK | This is goo. What I really want then is the ability to click on it and go to the IRC channel in question. | 04:35 |
| ScottK | seele: ^^^ Perhaps something for your review if you haven't turned it in already? | 04:35 |
| ScottK | goo/good. | 04:35 |
| seele | i didnt cover that in my review.. it's already like 80 slides | 04:36 |
| ScottK | OK. One more for me please (especially since it relates to the notification thingy) | 04:36 |
| ScottK | ? | 04:36 |
| seele | it's not really *my* review anymore if people start asking me to put stuff in it | 04:37 |
| ScottK | Only put it in if you agree. | 04:37 |
| nixternal | seele: could you also add a notification when it is time to get my popcorn out of the microwave too please? :p | 05:08 |
| * nixternal runs and hides | 05:08 | |
| nixternal | how do you like that, we went from 2.5 feet of snow, and negative zero temps, to tornado watch and severe storms with 61+ degree weather today | 05:09 |
| nixternal | god I love Chicago | 05:09 |
| nhandler | I didn't hear about the tornado watch nixternal | 05:09 |
| nixternal | ya, it was all day, they canceled it earlier though | 05:09 |
| nosrednaekim | hah.... global warming ;) | 05:10 |
| nixternal | just for one day? I don't fall for that | 05:10 |
| nhandler | You also can't forget about the flood warnings | 05:10 |
| nixternal | ya, but they aren't as bad as they thought they would be at least | 05:10 |
| nixternal | if anything, chicago has had global cooling, and extreme global cooling | 05:11 |
| nosrednaekim | isn't it just that the lakes are getting warmer and evaporating more? | 05:11 |
| * nosrednaekim stops playing the devil's advocate | 05:11 | |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:11 |
| nixternal | this year wass the first time in a long time where the harbors actually froze over in lake michigan here | 05:12 |
| nosrednaekim | scrap that theory <_< | 05:12 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:12 |
| nixternal | but we had a couple of weeks there where the temps were brutally cold | 05:13 |
| nosrednaekim | so where was the UDS a couple weeks ago? please don't tell me NYC | 05:15 |
| nixternal | california | 05:15 |
| nixternal | google once again | 05:15 |
| nixternal | it was nice and warm there :) | 05:15 |
| nosrednaekim | whew :P if it was google-NYC I would have been mad, thats about a 15 minute train ride from school | 05:16 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:16 |
| nixternal | google-nyc doesn't have google burritos, so I wouldn't have gone :p | 05:16 |
| nosrednaekim | haha | 05:16 |
| nixternal | though I think an east coast event would have been better as it would have shaved about 8 hours off of most people's travel | 05:17 |
| * nosrednaekim hopes for NYC next year (and a less busy school schedule) | 05:18 | |
| nixternal | actually, someone (me) brought up austin texas for the next one...maybe at dell :) | 05:18 |
| nosrednaekim | that'd be a nice change | 05:19 |
| * ScottK ponders * Switch from cdbs to dephelper for debian/rules because cdbs just got too complicated. | 05:21 | |
| nixternal | ScottK: how so? | 05:21 |
| ScottK | In this particular case a have a python package with a docs package and cdbs is convinced it needs setup.py for the docs package. | 05:22 |
| nixternal | haha, nice | 05:22 |
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| Mez | nixternal: the concept of bitlbee scares me. I think I'm sticking to pidgin for now, it fits my workflow better :D | 10:38 |
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| Tm_T | interesting | 15:30 |
| Tm_T | it took 5 hours to compile Qt just to find out I get some linking error, but no proper information what it was | 15:31 |
| Riddell | Qt is a beast like that, and with qmake it's hard to compile only a small part of it | 15:50 |
| patxi | hi everybody | 17:33 |
| Riddell | hi patxi | 17:35 |
| patxi | errrr... can anybody help me with connecting signal-slots in pyqt-pykde? | 18:00 |
| stdin | patxi: what's the problem? | 18:09 |
| patxi | oh | 18:09 |
| patxi | I'm practicing with the webkit widget example in techbase | 18:10 |
| patxi | and I want refresh addressBar QLineEdit with a link is clicked | 18:11 |
| patxi | with the link address | 18:11 |
| patxi | i connect signal and slot | 18:11 |
| patxi | QObject.connect(self.web, SIGNAL("linkClicked(QUrl)"), self.refreshUrl) | 18:12 |
| patxi | and slot method | 18:12 |
| patxi | def refreshUrl(self, nuevaUrl): | 18:12 |
| patxi | self.addressBar.setText(nuevaUrl().url().toString()) | 18:12 |
| patxi | do nothing xD | 18:12 |
| patxi | is it well coded? | 18:13 |
| stdin | you're using the static QObject.connect method, use the member one | 18:13 |
| stdin | self.connect(self.web, SIGNAL("linkClicked(QUrl)"), self.refreshUrl) | 18:13 |
| stdin | or you need to add self after the signal | 18:14 |
| patxi | ahm, thank you | 18:15 |
| patxi | I'll probe now | 18:15 |
| NCommander | Riddell, and/or ScottK: anyone in the mood to sponsor? | 19:57 |
| nixternal | NCommander: what do you need sponsored? | 20:30 |
| NCommander | nixternal, kdegraphics | 20:37 |
| nixternal | link me homeskillet | 20:37 |
| nixternal | is it loaded with crack? | 20:37 |
| nixternal | that is the question used to ask me a couple of years back | 20:38 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee used to ask me that question I mean | 20:38 |
| NCommander | if by patches for it to build on ARM | 20:38 |
| NCommander | than no | 20:38 |
| nixternal | woo arm, build it for the leg too | 20:38 |
| * NCommander whacks nixternal | 20:38 | |
| jussi01 | seele: PING. just a quick follow up on the quassel evalution and recomendations? the lads are keen to get things happening | 22:27 |
| seele | jussi01: yes i finished it but didn't get a chance to publish it before christmas.. i'll probably link it tonight or tomorrow. | 22:29 |
| Sput | ah thanks, good to know, I thought I maybe missed it due to our recent server hickups :) | 22:29 |
| Sput | take your time and don't get stressed out :) | 22:29 |
| jussi01 | seele: excellent :) | 22:30 |
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