[00:00] <Jazzva> crimsun: either I have done something wrong, or this is not working :/. Now I lost all sound...
[00:01] <crimsun> Jazzva: rerun the alsa-info.sh script
[00:01] <Jazzva> I copied the compiled snd-hda-intel.ko file to /lib/modules/.../hda/
[00:01] <Jazzva> crimsun: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=165bfa1269c08c28f5b3241e1e21277c124b5a13
[00:02] <crimsun> Jazzva: that's because snd-hda-intel isn't loaded. what happens when you `sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel'?
[00:02] <crimsun> i.e., what errors appear in dmesg|tail -50 ?
[00:04] <Jazzva> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/93961/
[00:04] <crimsun> Jazzva: oh, bah. so you need make SUBDIRS=sound instead of make SUBDIRS=sound/pci/hda
[00:05] <Jazzva> ah, ok :)
[00:05] <crimsun> silly msyms
[00:05] <Jazzva> crimsun: do I need to just rerun "make SUBDIRS=sound" or all make commands?
[00:06] <crimsun> Jazzva: well, to be sure, make SUBDIRS=sound/pci/hda clean && make SUBDIRS=sound
[00:06] <Jazzva> ok
[00:10] <crimsun> sorry, should have remembered you need SUBDIRS=sound instead. it has been a while since i did out-of-tree compilations.
[00:10] <Jazzva> no problem :)
[00:12]  * Jazzva reboot
[00:15] <Jazzva> crimsun: it works :D. Thanks a lot for the patch.
[00:16] <crimsun> Jazzva: err, meaning "it works", please be more specific
[00:16] <crimsun> like, that change potentially causes regressions, so i need to be very, very, very sure before i send it upstream
[00:16] <Jazzva> crimsun: the sound is there, and the microphone jack works...
[00:16] <Jazzva> I'll test it a bit more (to see if the internal mic still works)
[00:17] <crimsun> Jazzva: does jack sense/eapd work, too? e.g., when you unplug the headphones, speakers unmute, etc.
[00:19] <Jazzva> crimsun: yes, for both headphone jacks...
[00:19] <crimsun> Jazzva: ok, please test thoroughly as possible
[00:19] <crimsun> Jazzva: i'm around for a bit more, so i can look into regressions if you experience any
[00:20] <Jazzva> crimsun: weird. I have been playing with the sound controls, and suddenly the sound started fading-out, and now it's gone :)
[00:22] <crimsun> where were you playing with the sound controls?
[00:22] <Jazzva> crimsun: And it looks like it switched back to built-in microphone, even though it's set to external...
[00:23] <Jazzva> crimsun: changing the levels... there are master, headphone, pcm, front, surround, center, lfe... I think I was playing with Front or Surround when it started fading out.
[00:23] <crimsun> Jazzva: ah, you need to reset the 'Input Source's, probably
[00:23] <crimsun> Jazzva: open a terminal emulator and look at amixer -Dhw:0
[00:26] <Jazzva> crimsun: to reset to what?
[00:27] <crimsun> Jazzva: i need to see the output from that command, first =)
[00:30] <Jazzva> it looks like my DNS died... not opening any site.
[00:34] <crimsun> ENOTASOUNDBUG
[00:35] <crimsun> =)
[00:35] <Jazzva> heh :)...
[00:36] <Jazzva> sure, it's my providers bug... will switch to opendns after this. as soon as I'm able to get their IP addresses :). and then I will paste the output of "amixer -Dhw:0"
[00:38] <crimsun> "Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220"
[00:38] <Jazzva> crimsun: thanks :). I just started searching for that over mobile phone
[00:42] <Jazzva> hmm, weird. It's not opening anything I try, except for www.google.com... crimsun, I'll ping you once this issue with my provider/somebody-else resolves...
[00:43] <crimsun> ok. in the meantime, i've triaged that bug.
[01:12] <Jazzva> crimsun: not sure if you received my message, here's the paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/93977/
[01:16] <crimsun> Jazzva: probably need to unmute 'Mic as Output' and 'IEC958'
[01:18] <Jazzva> crimsun: nope, that does nothing... let me restart, and see if this reappears.
[01:20] <crimsun> probably will, since alsactl store is used...
[01:25] <Jazzva> crimsun: it seems it starts fading out when I plug in the headphones...
[01:26] <Jazzva> crimsun: all volume settings seem unchanged
[01:27] <crimsun> Jazzva: try the following, but be aware that it forces a reboot: sudo kill $(sudo lsof -t /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r snd-hda-intel && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo reboot
[01:27] <Jazzva> crimsun: ok, brb...
[01:36] <D3RGPS31> during upgrade, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m4b5fa10d
[01:40] <Jazzva> crimsun: the same happens...
[01:40] <crimsun> Jazzva: so sound is audible as long as the headphones are _not_ plugged in?
[01:41] <Jazzva> crimsun: yes. once they're plugged in, the sound starts fading out. If I unplug them, the sound stops fading out (but doesn't resume to the usual level)
[01:41] <crimsun> Jazzva: ok, thanks.
[01:41] <crimsun> i'll revise the patch
[01:42] <Jazzva> crimsun: thank you :). I'll retest when you're done with it, just ping me.
[01:43] <D3RGPS31> during upgrade, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/m4b5fa10d :/
[01:51] <crimsun> Jazzva: you'll need to reverse the existing patch and apply http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/jazzva_dell_1525_take2.diff
[01:51] <Jazzva> crimsun: ok
[01:51] <crimsun> Jazzva: make sure you do a `make SUBDIRS=sound/pci/hda clean && make SUBDIRS=sound/pci/hda' afterward
[01:52] <Jazzva> SUBDIRS=sound :)
[01:52] <crimsun> nah, you should already have sound compiled
[01:52] <Jazzva> ah... right.
[01:52] <Jazzva> noticed that after I wrote it :)
[01:53] <crimsun> actually, i think to be on the safe side you should use make SUBDIRS=sound
[01:53] <crimsun> so yeah, you're right originally
[01:55] <crimsun> yeah, i think clean actually does the right thing here, so you do need SUBDIRS=sound
[01:55] <crimsun> =)
[01:55] <crimsun> Kconfig is subtle!
[02:02] <crimsun> i'm going to be offline for about 45-60 mins, but i'll be back immediately after
[02:08] <Jazzva_> crimsun: it looks like it doesn't fade out the sound, but the external microphone is not working again
[02:25] <DanaG> Heh... update-manager is segfaulting.
[02:41] <NoelJB> ture
[03:34] <crimsun> Jazzva: ok, new patch
[03:34] <crimsun> d'oh
[03:54] <onetinsoldier> i'm about to burn the CD, install a pretty bumpy road? hehe
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> onetinsoldier: actually, it went smoothly for me (Kubuntu though)
[04:00] <onetinsoldier> nosrednaekim: roger, hmmm
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> Kubuntu should actually rockier... since its using a beta of KDE4 :P
[04:01] <onetinsoldier> my 8.10 install is Ubuntu. perhaps for Jaunty i sholkd make it Kubuntu
[04:01] <onetinsoldier> should*
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> eh, whatever you like metter
[04:02] <onetinsoldier> i like KDE plaenty good too. i like a lot of the window managers that are available
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> yeah, then definately check out KDE 4.2 in Kubuntu
[04:02] <onetinsoldier> you know what, i will
[04:03]  * onetinsoldier goes to download kubuntu
[04:09] <pflops> kde4.1 was not all that good
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... but 4.2 fixed pretty much every feature issue with 4.1
[04:11] <onetinsoldier> kde 4.X.xis a major step for kde. it's not like the step kde2.X to kde3.x where the interface didn't change all that much
[04:11] <onetinsoldier> and new releases of kde are also rough around the edges at first
[04:12] <onetinsoldier> so, given time, it'll probably improve by miles
[04:16] <onetinsoldier> nosrednaekim: where's a good place to download jaunty  kubuntu?
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> I just got it from the link off the kubuntu.org announcement
[04:17] <pflops> a search for 9.04 should yield something for it
[04:18] <onetinsoldier> i think i found it, thanks pflops
[04:40] <onetinsoldier> time for bed for me. i'll install and be back tomorrow. night all
[07:00] <weternal> how has everyone's experience of Jaunty been so far?  I'm just upgrading
[07:16] <x1250> is there any git update planned for the ati opensource driver?
[11:44] <tta> does anyone know why firefox metapackage still points to firefox-3.05 and not FF-3.1
[12:47] <gnomefreak> tta: make sure you add firefox 3.1 in custom prefered settings
[12:48] <gnomefreak> it should read firefox-3.1 %s
[12:53] <tta> gnomefreak: thanks, not going to install it though, just wondering why metapgk is not depenging on it...
[15:43] <onetinsoldier> hello. i installed Jaunty this morning and it went ok. but after the updating the system crashes with a Signal 15(seen in /var/log/messages), my monitor powers off when the loading bar gets to the end. it's probably an Xorg issue as that when the kdm screen should come up and there were certainly updates to Xorg. if anyone wants to try and help troubleshoot i'd be happy to work with you.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> I don't much about troubleshooting, but if you edit the menu line in GRUB when starting and remove splash
[15:45] <charlie-tca> you can see any error messages being output
[15:46] <onetinsoldier> yeah, i thought about that already and removed the 'silent' option, but haven't tried booting into Jaunty Kubuntu again yet
[15:47] <charlie-tca> I do not run Kubuntu, but Xubuntu instead.
[15:47] <onetinsoldier> roger
[16:34] <sanjiv> hi guys.. i upgraded to Jaunty and since then fglrx fails to load..
[16:34] <sanjiv> it says that the Xorg version i have is 7.1-7.3 whereas i have 7.4 installed.. which it requires..
[16:35] <sanjiv> and moreover.. there is a miInitVisualsProc invalid symbol error.. and GLX does not load either..
[16:35] <sanjiv> any idea what is wrong?
[16:35] <sanjiv> i tried reinstalling all xorg packages.. and all fglrx packages.. and still this issue persists..
[16:37] <sanjiv> anybody having the same problem with ATI fglrx driver?
[16:37] <sanjiv> dkms status says that driver version 8.561 is installed on kernel 2.6.28-3..
[16:38] <sanjiv> yet fglrx fails to load.. because it cannot see that xorg 7.4 is installed..
[16:39] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: hi
[16:39] <sanjiv> hi..
[16:39] <onetinsoldier> you're using jaunty?
[16:39] <sanjiv> yeah.. upgraded two days ago..
[16:39] <onetinsoldier> one moment
[16:39] <sanjiv> alright..
[16:41] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: well, first. we might be able to solve the mystery of the xorg version, maybe
[16:41] <sanjiv> okay..
[16:41] <onetinsoldier> but
[16:42] <onetinsoldier> unless i'm mistaken, you won't get the fglrx driver working in jaunty
[16:42] <sanjiv> and why is that?
[16:42] <onetinsoldier> it doesn't work with kernel 2.6.28 yet, as far as i know. anyway, i'm pretty sure it doesn't
[16:43] <sanjiv> well.. i have kernel 2.6.27-10 installed as well.. however.. fglrx does not seem to work on that as well.. due to the same xorg version issue..
[16:43] <onetinsoldier> heck, they(ati) just made it so the latest version of fglrx works with 2.6.27
[16:43] <sanjiv> synaptic says that the xorg version is 7.4.. and "X -version" outputs 1.5.99.3..
[16:44] <onetinsoldier> oh.. i see
[16:44] <onetinsoldier> there is a possiblity
[16:44] <onetinsoldier> that the xorg 7.4 version is too new for it to recognize!
[16:45] <sanjiv> but.. i'll just tell you.. the kernel 2.6.27-10 after the jaunty upgrade does not work.. however.. i was running fglrx on the 2.6.27-10 while on intrepid.. now it shows up as 2.6.27-10 Jaunty (development branch)..
[16:45] <sanjiv> wasn't xorg 7.4 installed on intrepid as well?
[16:45] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: doh! yes, your right
[16:45] <onetinsoldier> soo, hmmm
[16:46] <onetinsoldier> dpkg -l xserver-xorg   .. what's that show?
[16:46] <sanjiv> one moment..
[16:47] <sanjiv> ii  xserver-xorg   1:7.4~5ubuntu9 the X.Org X server
[16:47] <onetinsoldier> i'm not in jaunty myself right now.. i installed it just today, and then I updated. after updating, it poops out on me
[16:48] <onetinsoldier> wont' boot
[16:48] <sanjiv> hmm.. that's bad.. anyway.. do you have any idea how this could be fixed?
[16:48] <onetinsoldier> welll, it boots and then poops out
[16:49] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: i'm not sure what to think
[16:49] <sanjiv> have you heard of the "miInitVisualsProc" symbol issue in GLX?
[16:49] <onetinsoldier> i thought perhaps it would be that you didn't get fully updated
[16:50] <sanjiv> it says that the minor and major ABI versions do not match.. as well..
[16:50] <sanjiv> i did get fully updated afaik..
[16:50] <onetinsoldier> but, if  you say that synaptic show the correct version and so is dpkg, then i'm not sure
[16:50] <sanjiv> about 462 packages updated..
[16:50] <sanjiv> hmm..
[16:50] <vishalrao> sanjiv, what if you use the ati driver instead of fglrx
[16:51] <onetinsoldier> i installed from the latest jaunty installer, which worked. have you thought about giving that a try?
[16:51] <vishalrao> edit xorg.conf and replace fglrx with ati
[16:51] <vishalrao> or radeon, or radeonhd
[16:51] <sanjiv> im using the ati driver.. however.. no 3D accel.. and no compiz..
[16:51] <vishalrao> right
[16:51] <vishalrao> this breakage might last until more updates arrive
[16:52] <onetinsoldier> yeah, i tend to think it might too
[16:52] <sanjiv> i hope not for long..
[16:52] <vishalrao> especially ATI (the company) need to release their closed srouce driver update to work with latest stuff
[16:52] <onetinsoldier> look at this...
[16:52] <onetinsoldier> well, hang on
[16:53] <sanjiv> okay..
[16:53] <sanjiv> well.. the ATI linux driver website says that the latest closed source ATI Driver works with xorg 7.4..
[16:53] <onetinsoldier> xorg-server 2:1.5.99.3-0ubuntu3
[16:53] <vishalrao> sanjiv, tried the radeon and radeonhd drivers? (if they support your card)
[16:53] <onetinsoldier> 1.5.99.3
[16:54] <sanjiv> however.. that is no the case here.. so probably there should be some problem with xorg..
[16:54] <vishalrao> sanjiv , if xversion shows 1.5.99 that means its pre 7.5
[16:54] <sanjiv> hangon.. let me check..
[16:54] <onetinsoldier> that's not a  1.6.0.0 yet, so...
[16:54] <vishalrao> its like " 7.5 beta "
[16:54] <onetinsoldier> ya
[16:54] <sanjiv> yeah.. it is 1.5.99-3-0ubuntu3
[16:55] <sanjiv> hmm.. any solution to that? is a downgrade possible?
[16:55] <onetinsoldier> i never downgrade... bad idea to even think about it
[16:55] <sanjiv> what's the solution then?
[16:55] <sanjiv> im using a dell inspiron 1501 laptop..
[16:55] <onetinsoldier> anyone will tell you, downgrading is definitely not supported
[16:56] <sanjiv> Radeon Xpress 1150 i think is the graphic card..
[16:56] <sanjiv> yeah.. i know.. it might break more stuff i guess..
[16:56] <vishalrao> sanjiv: i usually use "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" on the command line
[16:57] <vishalrao> this is a slightly less risky update resolution for unstable stuff
[16:57] <onetinsoldier> hate to say, but i'm pretty sure fglrx driver is out of the question for a while in jaunty, and i expected that when installing it
[16:57] <vishalrao> but im a linux newbie myself
[16:57] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: :-)
[16:57] <vishalrao> currenty for me, i have old stable xorg server with nvidia working fine, it prompts to upgrade xorg but i avoid it for now...
[16:58] <sanjiv> okay.. is there any solution to this problem at this moment then? or shall i just wait until we have some updates?
[16:58] <vishalrao> if ati driver is working, i think you'll have to live without 3D
[16:58] <sanjiv> i always do manual updates.. never turn automatic updating on..
[16:58] <vishalrao> if you need it that badly, then prolly need to reinstall intrepid stable :)
[16:58] <sanjiv> hmm.. i guess i'll have to chill for a bit.. until further updates that fix this problem..
[16:58] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: hmmm, vishalrao says he has old version of xorg working, perhaps you could downgrade
[16:58] <sanjiv> vishalrao: are you on jaunty?
[16:58] <vishalrao> yes
[16:59] <onetinsoldier> but downgrading is tough
[16:59] <vishalrao> but like i said i didnt do "manual upgrade" i did "safe upgrade"
[16:59] <onetinsoldier> you have to use the --force option a lot, and then put packages on 'hold'
[16:59] <sanjiv> hmm..
[16:59] <vishalrao> i use aptitude and not apt-get on command line, and use aptitude's "safe-upgrade" command
[17:00] <sanjiv> i never tried the safe-upgrade.. probably i don't like to be safe.. and i like to take risks.. haha..
[17:00] <onetinsoldier> i have togo for a while. be back later. good luck guys
[17:00] <sanjiv> thank you onetinsoldier..
[17:00] <onetinsoldier> sure. sorry i can't help
[17:00] <sanjiv> it's alright.. at least we had a good conversation..
[17:00] <onetinsoldier> :-)
[17:00] <sanjiv> and at least i know now that i didn't screw up..
[17:01] <sanjiv> thank you.. :)
[17:03] <onetinsoldier> well, i'm back for just bit longer, atm
[17:03] <sanjiv> alright.. welcome back..
[17:03] <onetinsoldier> hello. i installed Jaunty this morning and it went ok. but after the updating the system crashes with a Signal 15(seen in /var/log/messages), my monitor powers off when the loading bar gets to the end. it's probably an Xorg issue as that when the kdm screen should come up and there were certainly updates to Xorg. if anyone wants to try and help troubleshoot i'd be happy to work with you.
[17:03] <onetinsoldier> :-)
[17:04] <sanjiv> i'll try the radeon driver as well.. for my problem..
[17:04] <onetinsoldier> also, i have since disabled the silent and splash options in grub's menu.lst
[17:04] <sanjiv> yeah.. it is always good to know what is happening.. rather than be clueless about it..
[17:05] <sanjiv> what if you go into recovery mode.. does it go into recovery?
[17:05] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: yeah, i'm clueless about my problem right now
[17:05] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: i could try that
[17:05] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log ?
[17:06] <onetinsoldier> i haven't. i will say, i thnik that would work because the system crashes right when the kdm login screen it supposed to appear
[17:06] <sanjiv> okay..
[17:06] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: nothing looksworng with it.. but yeah. i can. but first. let me try and boot into it once more now that i have
[17:07] <sanjiv> try getting into the root shell at the recovery menu.. and then try starting the X server manually..
[17:07] <onetinsoldier> disabled the silent and splash options in grub
[17:07] <sanjiv> at least you have better control over it then wherein you can Ctrl+C easily.. :)
[17:07] <vishalrao> sanjiv: See known issues in alpha2 release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2   they suggest to use ati open source driver for now
[17:07] <onetinsoldier> the problem is the kernel crashes.. Signal 15
[17:08] <vishalrao> kernel crashes??? ouch
[17:08] <sanjiv> what version kernel is it?
[17:08] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: ahhh, i need to have a look at that
[17:08] <sanjiv> thank you vishalrao..
[17:09] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: why not go ahead and do another full-upgrade to get the latest stuff, then we can look at your Xorg.0.log
[17:09] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: btw which video card/driver are you using?
[17:09] <onetinsoldier> well, i just installed and upgraded, not sure what you mean
[17:10] <vishalrao> oh ok
[17:10] <onetinsoldier> the original install works.. then i upgraded, and pffft
[17:10] <sanjiv> you installed and upgraded.. you mean installed from the alternate CD and upgraded after that using the update-manager?
[17:10] <vishalrao> what does "uname -a" show ?
[17:10] <onetinsoldier> it wasn't the alternate cd... but yes
[17:11] <onetinsoldier> and this is Jaunty Kubuntu if it matters
[17:11] <sanjiv> okay.. i also updated all the packages today.. and it still works.. and im using the Gnome version.. so i really don't know what's wrong..
[17:11] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: yours is also likely a video driver issue... what is your kernel detailed version and video card/driver?
[17:11] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: HIS(ATI) Radeon 4850 512 MB with IceQ4 cooler fan
[17:12] <vishalrao> so you also probably have ati driver issue and need to change your xorg.conf to use "ati" instead of "fglrx"
[17:12] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: yes..probably a video driver/xorg issue.. there were xorg updates when i updated
[17:13] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: the Xorg.conf file is... empty
[17:13] <sanjiv> why don't you do a dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg to auto-configure it?
[17:13] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: i didn't upgrade to Jaunty.. it's a fresh install
[17:13] <vishalrao> can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to pastebin.ubuntu.com and give the link here?
[17:14] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: i can't, now
[17:14] <stan> sanjiv, whats phigh do?
[17:14] <onetinsoldier> however, i could just reinstall from scratch again, nothing lost... heck, i haven't done anything with Jaunty yet
[17:15] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to pastebin.ubuntu.com and give the link here?
[17:15] <onetinsoldier> stan: it make sure all the questions are asked when configuring a package, even if they've been answered before. if they've been answered when first installed, you might not get all the questions again
[17:16] <onetinsoldier> unless, you do the -phigh
[17:16] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: hang on
[17:17] <sanjiv> thank you for answering that onetinsoldier.. i only said that because the default xorg,conf has that line in there.. and it says that one should use it to reconfigure it.. i didn't know the answer..
[17:17] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: roger, you're welcome
[17:18] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: now, can you give me several minutes? i'm going to try to boot it again. i'll brb as soon as i can, ok? then i'll post it
[17:18] <vishalrao> cool :)
[17:18] <onetinsoldier> ok, cool
[17:22] <sanjiv> vishalrao
[17:23] <sanjiv> vishalrao: i'll try using the radeon driver.. be back in a bit..
[17:27] <onetinsoldier> hello.. back
[17:27] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: i may have to leave soon. just an fyi
[17:28] <vishalrao> np
[17:28] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: there's 2 log files
[17:28] <vishalrao> Xorg.0.log is the one of interest
[17:28] <onetinsoldier> Xorg.0.log and Xorg.failsafe.log
[17:28] <onetinsoldier> i figured as much. just checking
[17:30] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94425/
[17:31] <vishalrao> looking... lets see if i can figure out anything, being a noob and all :)
[17:31] <onetinsoldier> ok, hehe
[17:32] <onetinsoldier> my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is empty, and as you can see, it's choosing the 'radeon_drv.so' driver
[17:33] <vishalrao> looks like you loading "radeon" driver? want to try "radeonhd" or just "ati" in your xorg.conf
[17:33] <vishalrao> yes
[17:33] <onetinsoldier> sure
[17:33] <onetinsoldier> which do you thinki should try first?
[17:33] <vishalrao> try ati first
[17:33] <onetinsoldier> ok, hang on
[17:34] <vishalrao> do you know the lines to put into xorg.conf? could look up on the web
[17:34] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: i know how
[17:34] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: where are you on IRC from? console? another PC?
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> nope... guess again
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> :P
[17:35] <vishalrao> failsafe X ?
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> it's an ancient chinese secret
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> lol
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> ok.. ok
[17:35] <onetinsoldier> here's how
[17:36] <onetinsoldier> i have Intrepid installed on on the same PC. so i just mount Jaunty from Intrepis once i boot back into Intrepid
[17:37] <vishalrao> cool :)
[17:37] <onetinsoldier> :-)
[17:37] <onetinsoldier> it makes working with unstable releases like this much easier
[17:38] <vishalrao> but when you try to load jaunty X, you boot into the jaunty kernel right?
[17:38] <onetinsoldier> oh yes...
[17:38] <vishalrao> its not like you chroot into jaunty and try to start X ?
[17:38] <onetinsoldier> no
[17:38] <onetinsoldier> i have to reboot to try all this
[17:38] <vishalrao> cool... ok... i'll be interested ti know if ati worked for you.. you could also try radeonhd for kicks... then settle for ati
[17:38] <onetinsoldier> so, it takes a few minutes
[17:39] <vishalrao> alrighty
[17:39] <onetinsoldier> not that there's anyting to see, but i'll post my xorg.conf file
[17:39] <vishalrao> ok
[17:39] <vishalrao> i hope its not due to unstable KDE 4.2 trunk KDM crashing :)
[17:42] <onetinsoldier> might be... but i doubt. Signal 15 in /var/log/messages
[17:42] <onetinsoldier> KDE might be powerful.. but cause the kernel to crash all by itself? i doubt it
[17:43] <onetinsoldier> but it could be
[17:43] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94434/
[17:43] <sanjiv> vishalrao hi im back..
[17:43] <onetinsoldier> ok, going to reboot and try it out
[17:43] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: wb
[17:43] <vishalrao> ok
[17:43] <vishalrao> hi sanjiv
[17:44] <sanjiv> onetinsoldier hi.. i tried the radeon driver.. it works the same as the ati driver..
[17:44] <vishalrao> sanjiv: now you can try the "radeonhd" driver before going back to "ati" :) just for kicks to see if 3D works
[17:44] <sanjiv> okay.. let me try..
[17:51] <sanjiv> vishalrao im back
[17:51] <onetinsoldier> back
[17:51] <sanjiv> onetinsoldier im back too..
[17:51] <vishalrao> i just found out ati is same as radeon :) at http://www.x.org/wiki/ati
[17:51] <onetinsoldier> roger sanjiv hello and welcome back
[17:51] <sanjiv> thanks.. :)
[17:52] <vishalrao> so sanjiv you should stick to ati, and onetinsoldier you can try radeonhd :D
[17:52] <sanjiv>  vishalrao  thanks.. :)
[17:52] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: yes..it's an HIS(ATI) Radeon 4850 512MB
[17:53] <onetinsoldier> i have a feeling it still won't work, but ill try it
[17:53] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: so what happened? still crash with "ati" ? try radeonhd, if that also crashes its probably unstable KDE/KDM
[17:53] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: i have a feeling it still won't work, but ill try it
[17:54] <onetinsoldier> it may be the KDE
[17:54] <vishalrao> yes :)
[17:54] <vishalrao> but its worth a shot, go for it
[17:54] <vishalrao> radeonhd FTW !
[17:54] <onetinsoldier> right now, i'm in Ubuntu 8.10, the gnome flavor
[17:55] <onetinsoldier> but KDE is cool. i thought i'd put on a different flavor for Jaunty ;-)
[17:56] <vishalrao> jaunty is surprisingly stable for me... nvidia , compiz, wireless, sound :)
[17:56] <vishalrao> but then again, i havent done a full upgrade to the bleeding edge
[17:56] <onetinsoldier> i was bale to ctrl+alt+delete to get a restart. so i checked my /var/log/messages, it still has the Signal 15 as the last line
[17:57] <vishalrao> can you paste the last line here?
[17:58] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: lucky devil. i'm thinking i'm going to have to install what works, the version that's installed from the original installer, and then wait a couple weeks to upgrade
[17:58] <onetinsoldier> Dec 28 10:45:34 maroon-bells kernel: [   20.055146] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[17:58] <onetinsoldier> Dec 28 10:45:34 maroon-bells kernel: [   20.113795] NET: Registered protocol family 17
[17:58] <onetinsoldier> Dec 28 12:45:52 maroon-bells exiting on signal 15
[17:59] <vishalrao> that may not be kernel, it could be anything printing that log, right?
[17:59] <vishalrao> but yes, install what works, then maybe try just "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" if you want to risk it again...
[18:00] <onetinsoldier> i thought it was the kernel, but i might not be indeed, especially since i was about to get a reboot from a Ctrl+Alt+Delete
[18:00] <Volkodav> hmm when I get to partitioner it will not allow me to choose partitions - they are kinda blocked ?
[18:00] <onetinsoldier> i = it
[18:00] <Volkodav> is there a text installer ?
[18:00] <vishalrao> Volkodav: alpha2 ? i think this is a known problem with manual partitioning :)
[18:00] <onetinsoldier> i didn't have any problem with manual partitioning
[18:01] <Volkodav> what's the workaround ?
[18:01] <vishalrao> Volkodav: i believe even the alternate install CD has this issue, but you could try it if you can download it quickly...
[18:01] <onetinsoldier> Volkodav: are you using the .iso dated 12-19?
[18:01] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: you used alpha1 right? this problem is with alpha2
[18:01] <Volkodav> I think so yes
[18:01] <onetinsoldier> i used alpha2 i believe
[18:01] <Volkodav> alpha 2 here
[18:01] <onetinsoldier> how can i checkfor sure?
[18:02] <vishalrao> i dunno, ISO MD5 sum maybe ?
[18:02] <onetinsoldier> hang on
[18:02] <sanjiv> Volkodav do you have any idea about the fglrx issue? it's not working on Jaunty alpha 2 with 2.6.28-3 kernel with xorg 7.4 (1.5.99-3-0ubuntu3).. ?
[18:03] <vishalrao> sanjiv: you still hope to get fglrx working? ::)
[18:03] <onetinsoldier> I did a search on Jaunty Kubuntu download - first hit at the top says... Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) Alpha 2
[18:03] <vishalrao> wont happen until ATI release updated driver
[18:03] <sanjiv> vishalrao sure.. hope never ends.. :)
[18:03] <onetinsoldier> this is where i downloaded from...  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/jaunty/alpha-2/
[18:03] <Volkodav> ATI sux0rz period
[18:04] <sanjiv> vishalrao: someone somewhere might know or some fix for it..
[18:04] <vishalrao> sanjiv: hehe
[18:05] <vishalrao> Volkodav: try the alternate CD, see known issues at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2
[18:05] <Volkodav> ok
[18:05] <sanjiv> vishalrao: it's always good to have some hope.. and the optimism that all problems have a solution.. sooner or later you'll stumble upon those solutions..
[18:05] <vishalrao> sooner or later....im guessing later :P   (pessimistic me)
[18:06] <vishalrao> sanjiv: why is 3D important to you at the same time you are trying alpha unstable version?
[18:07] <vishalrao> if its so important you could return to intrepid, no? im curious
[18:07] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao and, especially sanjiv, from this page -->   http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/alpha2 --> Known Issues "A new XServer, version 1.6, is included in Alpha-2. The binary proprietary drivers -fglrx and -nvidia are not yetsupported for this server and will exhibit various serious issues if run against it."
[18:08] <sanjiv> vishalrao: well 3D is not important for me.. however, it is always good to have some eye candy.. :)
[18:08] <vishalrao> yes onetinsoldier
[18:08] <onetinsoldier> Users of these drivers are encouraged o wait or to switch to the corresponding open source drivers (-ati and -nv respectively) in the meantime.
[18:08] <vishalrao> im thinking i should also do a full upgrade so that my nvidia eye candy breaks ! then i can try the open source nv driver :)
[18:08] <vishalrao> im just worried about losing wifi
[18:09] <sanjiv> onetinsoldier: thank you.. i read that.. however.. just hoping that if someone has a workaround to that problem.. :)
[18:09] <onetinsoldier> i'm off to try radeonhd for the heck of it.. be back in a bit
[18:09] <vishalrao> :)
[18:10] <onetinsoldier> sanjiv: yeah, roger. i'd loveto have fglrx working too. but i knew even before i downloaded Juanty, ain't happening
[18:10] <onetinsoldier> brb
[18:10] <sanjiv> vishalrao and onetinsoldier: everything else seems to work on my system hopefully.. i noticed that skype crashes because of detecting the wrong sound hardware or something..
[18:11] <vishalrao> sanjiv: try "pulseaudio -k" to kill it, then see if skype works
[18:11] <vishalrao> sound will be especially broken due to pulseaudio work...
[18:11] <sanjiv> any idea why skype crashes? i tried deleting the ".Skype" folder in my home dir..
[18:11] <sanjiv> okay.. thank you.. i'll try..
[18:12] <vishalrao> sanjiv: the root/main reason for all this is you are running an UNSTABLE alpha :D  it is also mentioned in the topic of this IRC channel
[18:12] <vishalrao> "it will most certainly break your system in bad ways" :)
[18:13] <vishalrao> only the sadistic suckers for punishment run alphas
[18:13] <sanjiv> vishalrao: hmm.. i know.. and yeah.. i tried that and it still crashes.. probably it should get fixed are more and more updates are released..
[18:14] <vishalrao> btw im upgrading my jaunty too... so i think im going to lose audio and nvidia 3d too :D
[18:14] <sanjiv> vishalrao: well.. that's gonna be worthwhile
[18:15] <sanjiv> i have broken my system a few times before.. since dapper.. and it's always a pleasure to try to fix it.. it teaches you not to be a "masochist".. however.. some people like me don't ever learn.. :P
[18:17] <vishalrao> did you say you have dell 1525 ?
[18:17] <vishalrao> i have hp pavilion tx1302au tablet PC
[18:18] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: wb... so how did it go?
[18:18] <onetinsoldier> vishalrao: well, that was interesting
[18:18] <onetinsoldier> it went.... well, better
[18:19] <vishalrao> :D
[18:19] <vishalrao> but...
[18:19] <onetinsoldier> i came right back so we could discuss
[18:19] <sean_aus> vishalrao: i have a dell inspiron 1501..
[18:19] <onetinsoldier> it didn't put my monitor to sleep and there's no Signal 15 in /var/log/messages  !!
[18:20] <vishalrao> cool
[18:20] <onetinsoldier> however, the kdm login screen failed to come up
[18:20] <vishalrao> what about KDE? log in work?
[18:20] <vishalrao> oh
[18:20] <onetinsoldier> so i ended up at terminal console to log into
[18:20] <vishalrao> now we can look into your Xorg.0.log
[18:21] <sean_aus> vishalrao and onetinsoldier: im sanjiv.. now known as sean_aus..
[18:21] <vishalrao> i read some issue about EXA needing to be enabled (or disabled)
[18:21] <onetinsoldier> that means... either kdm is hosed, or, we have something interesting to look at in the X log file
[18:21] <vishalrao> sean_aus:  :D
[18:21] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier: right
[18:21] <onetinsoldier> howdy there sean_aus :-)
[18:21] <onetinsoldier> let me have a look
[18:21] <sean_aus> vishalrao: EXA seems to be enabled by default in Jaunty.. however.. a few installations do not have it enabled..
[18:22] <sean_aus> so those have to be manually enabled..
[18:22] <sean_aus> im new to IRC.. someone msgd me.. a PM.. telling me that i shud change my nick and not display my real name..
[18:22] <sean_aus> so i did.. :)
[18:22] <vishalrao> ya, i wonder if that EXA thing is causing onetinsoldier's KDM problem
[18:22] <sean_aus> could be..
[18:22] <sean_aus> try disabling EXA..
[18:22] <vishalrao> lol
[18:23] <onetinsoldier> what the?? --> (EE) Failed to load module "radeonhd" (module does not exist, 0)   (EE) No drivers available.   Fatal server error: no screens found
[18:23] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier:  heh, maybe its running vesa now :D
[18:23] <onetinsoldier> haha, perhaps
[18:23] <vishalrao> does it log what driver it loaded eventually?
[18:23] <sean_aus> onetinsoldier: i think that the driver is not installed
[18:23] <onetinsoldier> let me post the log file
[18:24] <onetinsoldier> well, sounds like it not installed, hang on and i'll see if i can tell from here
[18:25] <sean_aus> onetinsoldier: yeah i think you should install it and then probably do a modprobe if you do not want to reboot.. :)
[18:25] <onetinsoldier> ok, just for kicks -->  http://paste.ubuntu.com/94458/
[18:27] <sean_aus> onetinsoldier you might need to run "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd"..
[18:27] <vishalrao> onetinsoldier:  looks like X failed to even start... maybe thats why your monitor didnt blank... try changing Xorg.conf to use "vesa" now :)
[18:27] <onetinsoldier> yep.. looks like it. that deb package is not in /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:28] <onetinsoldier> i have togo for now, i think. i'll be either soon, or later. take care guys
[18:28] <sean_aus> onetinsoldier: hmm.. okay
[18:28] <onetinsoldier> have a good one
[18:28] <vishalrao> ok bye
[18:28] <sean_aus> btw.. guys.. i'll see you around tmrw..
[18:28] <vishalrao> im also going to log off
[18:28] <sean_aus> i dunno what the time is in your timezone..
[18:28] <sean_aus> its 4:30 am here.. and im still awake.. gotta sleep now..
[18:28] <vishalrao> sanjiv are you bengali ?
[18:29] <sean_aus> vishalrao: nope.. im not.. im a tamilian.. but i don't knw to speak my mother tongue fluently..
[18:29] <vishalrao> kewl
[18:30] <sean_aus> see you tmrw.. on this channel.. bye.. gnite.. :)
[22:11] <razor1394> my issue with slow 2d rendering is still not solved. what package should I report against? xserver-xorg meta?
[22:13] <crimsun> razor1394: highly doubtful. which X.org driver?
[22:14] <razor1394> all made for ati: ati, radeon, radeonhd. fglrx crashes the system and vesa won't work at all.
[22:18] <razor1394> crimsun
[22:18] <crimsun> razor1394: which actual driver is being loaded?
[22:18] <razor1394> radeonhd right now for ex...
[22:18] <crimsun> razor1394: and, is exa or xaa being used?
[22:18] <crimsun> err
[22:21] <razor1394> http://pastebin.com/d2cdbb9bd I have no idea about xaa/exa as I've never had to specify that.
[22:28] <tormod> razor13941: you've got an RS780 card, maybe acceleration is not supported yet
[22:28] <razor13941> (**) RADEONHD(0): Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
[22:28] <razor13941> (WW) RADEONHD(0): RS780: HW 2D acceleration is not implemented yet.
[22:28] <razor13941> but why did it work with Intrepid?
[22:29] <tormod> razor13941: in that case, please file a bug and attach the intrepid log
[22:29] <tormod> razor13941: well what "worked" ?
[22:30] <crimsun> razor13941: known issues w/ exa and radeonhd.
[22:31] <crimsun> razor13941: the source package name is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd
[22:33] <razor13941> tormod, the 2d rendering part. 2d was usable (browsing, scrolling file management, vlc, totem), now It's like using windows with software acceleration drivers at all.
[22:34] <tormod> razor13941: which driver did you use in Intrepid?
[22:34] <razor13941> crimsun, I know but the problem is there no matter if I use ati, radeon and radeonhd
[22:34] <razor13941> tormod, I used mostly radeonhd but radeon worked as well
[22:38] <razor13941> ok i will try xaa now, if that doesn't work i have tried shadowfb, exa and xaa
[23:32] <IndyGunFreak> anybody got a horror story?
[23:33] <IndyGunFreak> i'm bout to boot a thumb drive w/ Jaunty now.