[01:35] <andresmujica> hi all
[01:35] <andresmujica> how should i treat this issue?
[01:35] <andresmujica> http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/12/21/time-for-ubuntu-to-move-to-stability/
[01:35] <andresmujica> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/311455
[01:35] <andresmujica> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1016743&page=2
[01:36] <andresmujica> i've just confirmed that installing any adobe air application
[01:36] <andresmujica> would erase the add/remove application list
[01:37] <andresmujica> anyone knows about an adobe air bug tracker?
[01:37] <andresmujica> hmm
[01:37] <andresmujica> google is my friend
[01:37]  * Rocket2DMn looks
[01:37] <andresmujica> bugs.adobe.com
[01:38] <andresmujica> gonna look into there...
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> idk if LP recognizes that upstream bug tracker
[01:39] <Rocket2DMn> you can certainly go ahead and confirm/triage the bug on LP tho
[01:39] <andresmujica> yeap
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> are you on bugcontrol?
[01:40] <andresmujica> i'm gonna check the upstream bug tracker
[01:40] <andresmujica> not yet
[01:40] <andresmujica> hope to be there soon :)
[01:40] <andresmujica> but i know how to add a bugtracker to launchpad :)
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> cool, well do your triaging and ping me when youre done, i can set the importance for you
[01:40] <andresmujica> thks
[01:40] <Rocket2DMn> np
[01:41] <james_w> andresmujica: have you worked out why the list is empty?
[01:41] <andresmujica> about bugcontrol do you know when new applicactions would be reviewed?
[01:41] <andresmujica> i'm into that..
[01:42] <andresmujica> not pretty sure yet thou
[01:42] <james_w> what's in "/usr/share/app-install/"
[01:42] <james_w> ?
[01:42] <andresmujica> let me recreate the bug again
[01:42] <james_w> as for applications, we aim to review them within a week or so, but obviously things may move slower around this time of year
[01:42] <james_w> I'll try and review yours soon
[01:42] <andresmujica> hehe thks :)
[01:46] <andresmujica> diff app-install/desktop/ /tmp/app-install/desktop/
[01:46] <andresmujica> Sólo en app-install/desktop/: com.happytoad.air.fotobooth.130a080afcc69239d6f9896eebed2327bc93ed43.1.desktop
[02:48] <andresmujica> well, it turns out that adobe has a flashplayer public bug tracking system, but it's in JIRA and therefore Launchpad still doesn't have support for it...
[02:48] <andresmujica> Rocket can you set the importance for the bug.. i would say low ...
[02:49] <andresmujica> for bug #311455
[02:50] <andresmujica> bug #157488
[02:50] <andresmujica> for the JIRA issue...
[02:52] <Rocket2DMn> is this really a gnome-app-install issue?
[02:52]  * Hobbsee mutters about crack packaging
[02:52] <Hobbsee> and this is *precisely* why we don't enable stuff like this by default.
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: it's not a gnome-app-install issue, i don't think
[02:53] <Hobbsee> although perhaps it should be more robust?
[02:53] <Rocket2DMn> idk
[02:53] <Hobbsee> oh, getlibs too
[02:53] <Hobbsee> right, we really don't support that then
[02:54] <Hobbsee> oh wow, that's *really* special.
[02:55] <Rocket2DMn> what the heck kind of install directions are those, lol
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: ones which subvert the entire packaging system
[02:55] <Rocket2DMn> indeed
[02:56] <Hobbsee> "take these files out of a deb, and put them in a location"
[02:56] <Hobbsee> no, just fix your scripts, and install the debs as normal.  duh?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> wgrant: look above, you might enjoy this crack
[02:57] <Rocket2DMn> ok, so where exactly in the "install" process is it breaking the system?
[02:58] <Rocket2DMn> somewhere something happens that results in the applications not being shown in add/remove
[02:59] <andresmujica> yeap, i do agree that is not gnome-app-install fault....
[03:02] <Rocket2DMn> gnome-app-install ?
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> Hobbsee and andresmujica ^
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> hmmm
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> thats the only thing i can find that makes sense
[03:03] <Rocket2DMn> but its still not right
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: i don't know, but it looks like they're on severe crack with their written instructions, let alone what's in their deb.
[03:04]  * wgrant cries.
[03:04] <Rocket2DMn> +1 wgrant
[03:04] <Rocket2DMn> what configuration got screwed up that add/remove doesnt see the list anymore though?
[03:04]  * Hobbsee wonders if playonlinux is worse, or better, than that abomination
[03:05] <wgrant> PlayOnLinux is undoubtedly worse.
[03:05] <wgrant> But it's easier to install.
[03:05] <wgrant> Rocket2DMn: I'm trying to work that out.
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> automatix for life baby
[03:05] <Hobbsee> that was also on crack.
[03:05] <wgrant> PlayOnLinux has worse code than Automatix.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and also broke things
[03:05] <wgrant> Automatix did worse things, but its code was better.
[03:05] <Rocket2DMn> now they have ultamatix
[03:05] <Hobbsee> which is still written by an incompetent.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> see mjg59's reviews of all of them.
[03:06]  * Rocket2DMn misses Feisty
[03:07] <Rocket2DMn> ok well it would be cool if we can track down what is changed that add/remove reads, perhaps it just cant parse some configuration/xml file?  maybe its a glitch that DOES fall under gnome-app-install
[03:07] <Rocket2DMn> despite those shoddy install directions
[03:08] <andresmujica> well. i've installed some air applications and the only thing i've found at /usr/share/app-install was that desktop dir was modified by adding a .desktop file for the air app installed.
[03:08] <andresmujica> and the name is somewhat long so maybe that's the faul?
[03:08] <andresmujica> t
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Rocket2DMn: the other problem is that only part of 2 packages are being installed
[03:08] <Hobbsee> and whatever getlibs crack does
[03:08] <wgrant> I'm a little confused as to the point of Adobe AIR - is it basically writing web applications that run on fewer platforms than web applications?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> so there could well be incompatibility there (either now in the future)
[03:10] <andresmujica> one of the air apps installed is called FotoBoth, a lame copy of cheese...
[03:10] <Hobbsee> wgrant: it's trying to cash in on the macbook appeal
[03:12] <Rocket2DMn> yeah this is using an entire process that is unsupported.... getlibs isnt in any of our repos or debian's
[03:13] <Alonely> heya; I'm having an incredibly aggravating time trying to dual-boot Windows and Linux; when I attempt to install Ubuntu, this shows up: "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off"
[03:14] <Alonely> I want this so badly to work :<
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> Alonely, this isnt a support channel, you should try #ubuntu
[03:15] <Rocket2DMn> what version of ubuntu are you using anyway, i havent seen that error in quite some time
[03:15] <Alonely> I know, I'm just venting frustration
[03:16] <Alonely> hrm, to be honest, I'm not exactly sure
[03:16] <Alonely> stupid as that is
[03:16] <Alonely> my friend burned me a copy awhile ago and I just now got around to using it
[03:16] <Rocket2DMn> how long ago was awhile ago
[03:16] <Alonely> probably about a year
[03:17] <Rocket2DMn> yeah that could be an unsupported version of Ubuntu
[03:18] <Rocket2DMn> you should download the latest from ubuntu.com
[03:18] <Alonely> mm, I'll just have to wait until I can burn the newest one
[03:18] <Hobbsee> or get them to send you one
[03:18] <Alonely> as of now I have no blank CDs, bah
[03:18] <Alonely> true
[03:18] <Hobbsee> where are you located?
[03:19] <Alonely> Florida, USA
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hrm
[03:20]  * Hobbsee looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/NewUser
[03:21] <Hobbsee> there are some linux user groups there - one of them can probably give you a cd of it
[03:21] <Hobbsee> someone in #ubuntu-florida might be able to send you one more quickly, too
[03:21] <Alonely> thankya! :D
[03:21] <Hobbsee> you're welcome!
[03:22]  * Hobbsee has a couple, but is in australia, so isn't so much help ;)
[03:22] <Alonely> :<
[03:22] <Alonely> poo
[03:22] <Alonely> alsoalso, since my newbishness has already been displayed
[03:22] <Alonely> I have a quick question: kubuntu or xubuntu?
[03:23] <Alonely> I'm thinking KDE
[03:23] <Hobbsee> which do you like the look of more?
[03:23] <Alonely> Kubuntu
[03:23] <Alonely> so that?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> then go with that ;)
[03:23] <Alonely> 'kay
[03:23] <Alonely> gee tanks
[05:54] <duanedesign> bug #307684 could someone please set this bug to 'wishlist', thank you
[05:56] <crimsun> duanedesign: done.
[05:56] <duanedesign> thank you
[06:48] <duanedesign> Bug #311415 I think this bug should probabally be set to 'wishlist'
[07:56] <duanedesign> a bug concerning a broken link on https://help.ubuntu.com should be attached to?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-website, i think
[07:57] <duanedesign> i  think you are right. i did one awhile back and couldnt remember it.
[07:57] <duanedesign> thank you
[08:15] <duanedesign> you
[08:15] <duanedesign> I think Bug #311747 should be set to 'wishlist', thank you
[08:16] <maco> kernel.org's priority maybe ought to be up there as well...
[08:28] <Hobbsee> that sounds like it should get lost in the murky depths of brainstorm
[08:28]  * Hobbsee smacks it with a stick
[08:30] <duanedesign> Hobbsee: thank you
[08:30] <Hobbsee> np
[08:32] <duanedesign> I think Bug #311606 should be set to 'wishlist' thank you
[08:34] <Hobbsee> marked
[08:35] <duanedesign> thank you again
[14:49] <_ismael_> bonjour
[14:49] <_ismael_> hi
[15:55] <skorasaurus> howdy.
[15:56] <nhandler> Hi skorasaurus
[15:57] <skorasaurus> how do I create an upstream task ? I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Marking%20a%20Bug%20as%20Requiring%20Forwarding but it does not say how.
[15:57] <skorasaurus> i suggest that it should say how, or at least, link to a page that it should.
[15:57] <skorasaurus> link to a page that describes how*
[15:59] <nhandler> skorasaurus: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches explains how to set a bug watch
[16:00] <skorasaurus> nhandler, aha.
[16:00] <nhandler> Feel free to edit the wiki page to make it more clear
[16:00] <skorasaurus> I'm confused then, what's the difference between creating an upstream task and setting a bug watch ?
[16:01] <skorasaurus> (they seem like the same thing, or no ?)
[16:01] <skorasaurus> nhandler, i'll edit the page.
[16:02] <nhandler> They are pretty much the same thing. An upstream task just says that it affects an upstream project. A bug watch takes it one step further and actually links to an upstream bug report
[16:03] <skorasaurus> k. thanks for the info.
[16:03] <skorasaurus> I'll add that to the page too.
[16:04]  * skorasaurus is starting to triage bugs and is forwarding one upstream
[16:05] <nhandler> skorasaurus: Keep in mind, many people will sometimes use the two terms interchangeably
[16:06] <skorasaurus> k. thanks.
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Here's an interesting bug... bug 311759
[18:45] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: ping
[19:45] <skorasaurus> Hi.
[19:48] <Nafallo> ubottu: please kick emma or something...
[20:03] <skorasaurus> i just triaged one of my first bugs, anyone mind to see if I did it right ?
[20:06] <joumetal> what is number of that bug?
[20:09] <skorasaurus> oh sorry.
[20:09] <skorasaurus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/brasero/+bug/311880
[20:14] <hggdh> skorasaurus, good work. I marked it triaged. Thanks for the help
[20:17] <skorasaurus> once I do my part, do I post in here that it needs to be marked triaged ?
[20:17] <skorasaurus> (because it's marked confirmed, right ?)
[20:23] <hggdh> skorasaurus, yes, it was marked confirmed. Only bug-control can mark it triaged
[20:23] <skorasaurus> k.
[20:23] <hggdh> once it has been confirmed, and there is nothing else to be done by bugsquad/control, we mark it traiged
[20:23] <skorasaurus> thanks hggdh
[20:24] <hggdh> since you did it all... THANKS
[20:24] <grindhold> hello: i've got a strange problem. i installed a fresh ubuntu on a pc. i tried to install the updates on the system but it tells me, that it cannot reach the update servers. sources.list fits and i don't know what to do else. on this pc i can reach the update-servers
[20:25] <grindhold> i already tried the main server, the german server an the switzerland server for updates
[20:25] <grindhold> i also get very much md5 hashsum mismatches for no reason
[20:26] <hggdh> grindhold, you will probably get more help on #ubuntu -- this channel is not for user support
[20:26] <hggdh> but
[20:26] <hggdh> you *do* have a network connection, right?
[20:27] <LimCore> hello
[20:27] <grindhold> yes. ubuntu already installed about 50 packages :D
[20:27] <grindhold> err.. updates
[20:27] <LimCore> [8.10] switching of users - fails on all boxes I have access too.  Either epically (it doesnt work at all, or crashes machine with nvidia driver) or partially (it works at random, on intell gfx)
[20:27] <hggdh> grindhold, did you manually change the sources.list? and what version of Ubuntu?
[20:28] <LimCore> report this agains what package? Im testing on gnome
[20:28] <grindhold> intrepid. i changed sources.list with the graphical interface
[20:28] <hggdh> LimCore, fast-user-switch-applet
[20:28] <LimCore> thanks hggdh
[20:29] <hggdh> grindhold, can you show your sources.list in a pastebin?
[20:29] <grindhold> roger
[20:30] <LimCore> how to get a bug to have higher fixme priority>
[20:33] <hggdh> LimCore, you can raise the importance (but this will not mean that it will be worked now). You can also esplain in the bug *why* it should be looked at now
[20:33] <hggdh> s/esplain/explain/
[20:37] <grindhold> this here is the sources.list http://pastebin.com/d4503b875
[20:44] <LimCore> well it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/311978 anyway
[20:53] <grindhold> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/openoffice/program/libsvgfilter680li.so')
[20:53] <grindhold> what does that mean
[20:53] <grindhold> i just wanted to fix broken packages
[20:53] <grindhold> and get this error oO
[20:54] <LimCore> grindhold: pastebin or something the full error?
[20:59] <grindhold> damnit... closed the window.. i am trying to reproduce the error
[20:59] <grindhold> here :
[20:59] <grindhold> http://pastebin.com/d23d1514
[21:02] <hggdh> grindhold, it looks like your sources.list is kosher
[21:03] <grindhold> thx hggdh, i think that too
[21:05] <hggdh> grindhold, how are you on disk space?
[21:08] <grindhold> hggdh: this pc has about 960 GB free space :D
[21:12] <grindhold> sooo. i deleted these packages manually from /var/cache/apt/archives, restarted and tried to reinstall them.. now i get these: http://rafb.net/p/9z1UC782.html
[21:13] <grindhold> i am about to milk mice -.-
[21:16] <hggdh> grindhold, let's get back to disk space: did you install under one single filesystem?
[21:17] <grindhold> i have a swap with the size of 2 GiB on a 500 GB disk. the rest ist ext3 and the ubuntu is running on it
[21:18] <grindhold> i have a second disk fully formatted in ext3, mounted under /media/files
[21:20] <hggdh> ok, so all of Ubuntu is under /
[21:20] <grindhold> roger
[21:20] <grindhold> yes.. the 498 GiB partition is mounted under /
[21:21] <joumetal> bug 130813 looks similar
[21:23] <joumetal> grindhold: have you already tried archive.ubuntu.com?
[21:23] <hggdh> joumetal, good idea
[21:23] <grindhold> yes i tried, joumetal. that's the Ubuntu Main Server, aight?
[21:25] <joumetal> yes. does it give same error? (after apt-get update)
[21:25] <hggdh> grindhold, yes. did you put *all* sources.list under it?
[21:26] <grindhold> how do you mean that? hggdh
[21:27] <hggdh> all sources in sources.list were using archive.ubuntu.com, correct?
[21:28] <grindhold> i have to look at sources.list again.. just a moment
[21:31] <grindhold> hggdh: everything runs under archive.ubuntu.com except 2 lines with "archive.canonical.com"
[21:31] <grindhold> it should be allright, no?
[21:31] <hggdh> it should, but just in case, comment out the archive.canonical.com
[21:31] <hggdh> and try again
[21:32]  * hggdh does not believe in witches, but that they exist, they do
[21:35] <grindhold> i commented it out. now i have a new prob maybe this makes things clearer: i get this error: "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" while trying to get the new repository indexes
[21:37] <hggdh> yay
[21:38] <grindhold> it's so confuscating :D
[21:40] <crimsun> keep in mind that transparent proxies often do nefarious things. check with your isp.
[21:42] <grindhold> but the source is NOT offline and from another pc with the same isp in the same household i reach the packages :D
[21:47] <crimsun> grindhold: is that bzip2 error reproducible across several hours?
[21:47] <grindhold> it is ocurring at all servers
[21:47] <grindhold> now i tried the "find best server"-feature
[21:47] <grindhold> i get the same error
[21:48] <grindhold> crimsun: i do not think, that the sources are down.. its nearly impossible, that so many are down. and i reach them with another pc in the same network. thats the riddiculous thing
[21:49] <joumetal> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=756864 gives some suggestions. like aptitude update and links to another thread too.
[21:49] <crimsun> grindhold: i doubt it would be the repositories' issue
[21:49] <crimsun> grindhold: i suspect either a medium error (wireless or wired ethernet?) or a driver error
[21:55] <crimsun> grindhold: i.e., which driver are you using?
[21:58] <grindhold> driver for ethernet?
[21:59] <crimsun> grindhold: whichever driver for whichever hardware over which the data flow
[22:00] <grindhold> ehrmm.. how am i going to find that out?
[22:00] <grindhold> i think i will not do that with ifconfig
[22:01] <crimsun> grindhold: lspci -v and lsmod
[22:04] <grindhold> lsmod http://pastebin.com/d3aac2f9c  lspci  http://pastebin.com/d2813b405
[22:05] <crimsun> grindhold: is the r8169 driver generating any errors that you can see via dmesg?
[22:06] <grindhold> i can see none.. i searched with dmesg | grep r8169
[22:07] <grindhold> i get this > http://pastebin.com/d1ef986b1
[22:08] <crimsun> grindhold: ok. how comfortable are you reading network traces? (tcpdump/tshark output)
[22:08] <crimsun> (or wireshark if you prefer a gui)
[22:09] <grindhold> i would use wireshark if i were able to download it. i may try. i know the main protocols, but i am not really able to interpret the hexdump
[22:12] <crimsun> ok, let's go another level higher. anything suspicious in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ?
[22:14] <grindhold> define "suspicious". there are files that begin with the names of servers i tried yet. the mainserver, the german mainserver, and intergenia.ubuntu.de further there are the canonical archives, a lock file, and a folder with the name partial. i can not see anything that shouldn|t be there
[22:17] <crimsun> grindhold: ok, this may sound stupid, but does bunzip2 actually work properly? can you confirm with a silly text file?
[22:18] <grindhold> this textfile is supposed to be saved als .bz2, aight?
[22:21] <grindhold> okay.. bunzip2 yourmum.bz2 --> bunzip2: yourmum.bz2 is not a bzip2 file.
[22:21] <grindhold> i think it works right
[22:25] <crimsun> grindhold: sorry, you should bzip2 a text file, then bunzip2 it
[22:25] <grindhold> ahrgs kay :)
[22:26] <grindhold> yes it works
[22:26] <crimsun> oh, whew
[22:26] <grindhold> i the outputfile is the same as the input
[22:26] <crimsun> can you try backing up /var/lib/apt/lists/*, then removing it and rerunning the aptitude update ?
[22:27] <grindhold> i can try.. atm the system is wasted anyway :D
[22:27] <grindhold> just wait a moment
[22:29] <crimsun> i'm actually headed out for dinner, but i will check back in ~3 hours. hopefully you'll have chased it down. =)
[22:29] <grindhold> i hope too
[22:29] <grindhold> thx
[23:24] <hggdh> grindhold, how are things going?
[23:26] <grindhold> hggdh: just reinstalling the whole system
[23:26] <grindhold> i cant find anything else.. its riddiculous
[23:37] <Hobbsee> MTecknology: contentless pong?