[00:32] <persia> Could an archive admin please expedite the sync of pokerth (bug #310962).  The servers don't work with 6.2.2. anymore (needs 6.2.3), and there is some clamour for backporting.
[00:36] <cjwatson> persia: done
[00:37] <persia> cjwatson, Thank you.
[00:37] <persia> Zhenech, Go ahead with the backports, once it compiles.  Thanks for preparing that.
[03:49] <tmmoyer> If I am building a custom kernel, and building the debs for it, is there anyway to add extra version information such that I can install the same version of the kernel without my custom modifications?  For example, I have linux-image-2.6.24-22-server installed and I would like to patch it and rebuild it.  When I install the custom version, how can I make is so that I can have both the Ubuntu package installed and my custom packag
[03:56] <leprasmurf> hello all.  I'm wondering, what language is ubuntu programmed in?  The kernel is C right?
[03:59] <tmmoyer> the kernel is in C yes, the other applications are in a variety of languages
[03:59] <tmmoyer> is there a particular application you are looking at?
[03:59] <leprasmurf> I was wondering about the majority of what ubuntu uses.  so like gnome, or firefox
[04:00] <tmmoyer> my guess is some combination of C and C++ with a good mix of scripting languages as well
[04:00] <tmmoyer> Perl and Python probably being the most common
[04:00] <tmmoyer> Ruby and shell scripts too
[04:02] <leprasmurf> I'm going from "Programming C" into "Programming C++" in school, and just trying to figure out if I should focus on c++ or just get through it as quickly as possible
[04:02] <ion_> Learning many languages never hurts. Learning to think in different ways makes you a better programmer in any language.
[04:03] <tmmoyer> i would get comfortable with one before branching out though
[04:03] <ion_> Sure
[04:03] <tmmoyer> C++ isn't too bad, I started with C and then picked up C++
[04:03] <leprasmurf> I've tried to subscribe to the theory of "jack of all languages, master of one"
[04:04] <leprasmurf> but I
[04:04] <leprasmurf> but I'm trying to figure out my one :-)
[04:04] <tmmoyer> my current usage tends to be Python with some C thrown in when I need it, Java rarely
[04:04] <tmmoyer> no one language is suited to everything
[04:04] <tmmoyer> it really depends on what you want to do
[04:04] <leprasmurf> I've been thinking about java only for the android :-/ it currently doesn't support c(++)
[04:05] <tmmoyer> yup
[04:05] <tmmoyer> although the android kernel is in C
[04:05] <tmmoyer> and being open source, you can do whatever you want with it
[04:05] <tmmoyer> android is nothing but linux with some extra layers of abstraction
[04:06] <leprasmurf> I don't know exactly where I want to bring it, but right now I'm enjoying game programming.  (I made hangman!! :-) )
[04:06] <leprasmurf> yeah, but the android API is only java I think
[04:06] <tmmoyer> yup
[04:07] <leprasmurf> I've still got around 50-60 credits to make it through
[04:07] <leprasmurf> but I like trying to play around on my own
[04:07] <tmmoyer> good luck
[04:07] <leprasmurf> thanks
[04:07] <tmmoyer> i agree with ion_ though, learn a bunch and then choose what fits
[04:09] <leprasmurf> well, I'm already pretty proficient in perl, php, asp, various scripting languages, and HTML (That's a programming language right :-P )
[04:09] <leprasmurf> and I've just finished C, going into C++ and .NET is on the agenda
[04:11] <calc> python and bash may also be useful to learn
[04:12] <leprasmurf> I love bash, but I've avoided python.
[04:13] <calc> well python is somewhat better than perl, it being a write-only language and all
[04:13] <tmmoyer> i like python
[04:13] <tmmoyer> it allows for rapid prototyping and is fairly easy to understand
[04:13] <calc> heh ;-)
[04:14] <leprasmurf> I have heard that python is especially easy to learn/understand
[04:14] <calc> leprasmurf: yes i'm not certain but i think it was probably designed with the failings of perl in mind
[04:15] <calc> even the author of perl code can often not understand what they have written, but it is much easier to pick up random python code and understand what is going on
[04:16] <leprasmurf> it uses tabbing rather than encapsulation though, right?
[04:16] <tmmoyer> having worked with both perl and python, i can honestly say I prefer python for its readability and eas of use
[04:16] <tmmoyer> yes whitespace matters in python
[04:16] <calc> leprasmurf: it just uses whitespace as a delimiter rather than braces
[04:17] <Treenaks> tmmoyer: well, only leading whitespace ;)
[04:17] <tmmoyer> yes
[04:17] <leprasmurf> see, I, personally, think that sucks
[04:17] <tmmoyer> sorry
[04:17] <leprasmurf> I like my curly brackets :-)
[04:17] <tmmoyer> i thought so too at first, but it is actually very nice
[04:17] <tmmoyer> i feel that it forces me to write neater code
[04:18] <leprasmurf> until you get on a tiny screen or terminal and all your crap is wrapped and vim's % doesn't work :-)
[04:18] <tmmoyer> i generally don't wrap anything in vim
[04:18] <tmmoyer> so i guess i don't notice that
[04:19] <leprasmurf> hehe, that helps
[04:20] <leprasmurf> alright, well thanks for the advice
[04:21] <leprasmurf> I have to go work on my mythbox (stupid frontend spawning 6 instances)
[04:21] <leprasmurf> have a good one
[04:21] <tmmoyer> leprasmuf: no problem
[04:21] <tmmoyer> good luck with classes
[04:21] <leprasmurf> thanks
[04:21] <leprasmurf> 96 in C at least :-)
[04:21] <tmmoyer> so anyone here know a lot about building custom kernels?
[04:26] <tmmoyer> how hard would it be to create a custom flavour for the kernel build?
[04:26] <tmmoyer> for example take the server flavour and "fork" a custom flavour called server-custom?
[05:43] <stgraber> bryce: I just had a look at that broken ATI laptop again, bug report is bug 311867
[05:44] <stgraber> bryce: the laptop is currently in the broken state, please ask for anything that may help fixing it (I'll have to revert to the previous packages on Monday)
[05:48] <bryce> stgraber: Xorg.0.log from each of a) stock xorg.conf (or no xorg.conf), b) with XAA specified for AccelMethod, and c) with EXA specified
[05:49] <bryce> stgraber: you indicate that others with similar hardware will have the same problem - do you have some references to other instances of this problem?
[05:50] <stgraber> well, at least the two laptops I have at the office with the same video card show the problem
[05:54] <stgraber> bryce: ok, all three Xorg.0.log are attached
[05:55] <stgraber> bryce: the diff between the EXA and XAA one is really interesting as it's basically nothing
[05:55] <stgraber> bryce: (other than the date, the VT and the fact that it reads the AccelMethod line)
[08:49] <soren> fabbione: Yes?
[09:01] <fabbione> soren: hey dude... having nice xmas vacation?
[09:01] <fabbione> soren: did you ever notice hardy kernel OOPS when you set kvm vcpus > 1?
[09:02] <fabbione> soren: it's reproducible all the time.. the list of OOPS is endless. It also recovers but performances of the overall system gets _extremely_ bad
[09:03] <fabbione> soren: the kernel that OOPS is the host.. the guest doesn't see anything
[10:11] <soren> fabbione: Hmm... Nope. I've seen a few issues here and there with smp guests, but nothing as severe as that. Exactly which kernel version?
[10:30] <fabbione> soren: whatever is in hardy latest updates.
[10:30] <fabbione> soren: i'll collect stuff for you later and file a bug report. If you haven't seen it before I doubt you have data anyway
[10:32] <soren> fabbione: I don't have much hardware available, so I don't actually have any hardy boxes for testing :(
[10:33] <fabbione> soren: well.... anyway.. it's food time..
[10:34] <soren> fabbione: Sure.
[10:34] <soren> fabbione: ...but yes, a bug report would be much appreciated.
[10:34] <fabbione> soren: no worries... will do later today'
[11:38] <AlkoHooligan58_> moin
[11:39] <AlkoHooligan58_> is da jemand??
[11:39] <jpds> Hello.
[11:40] <AlkoHooligan58_> ???
[13:23] <asac> Riddell: btw, why didnt you comment rejection reason on bug?
[13:23] <asac> (this question came up when i talked to the packager about why you rejected them)
[15:59] <Zhenech> persia, thanks, backports requested (LP 311936)
[17:26] <maxb> I've filed LP 311952 concerning overly agressive interpretation of Packages-arch-specific. Should I be sending any message to somewhere Ubuntu, rather than Launchpad, related?
[19:53] <michael48> I would like to know whether usplash 0.5.25 does support resolutions other than 800x600, 640x480, 1365x768 and 1024x768, like it happened to be with THEME_VERSION 2. I tried to compile a theme with resolutions other than those, and the theme compiles but doesn't work. Any suggestion?
[19:57] <directhex> is your theme a 4:3 resolution?
[20:01] <michael48> directhex I would like a 1400x1050 resolution, is that 16:9?
[20:02] <directhex> michael48, 16:10. but usplash doesn't technically support non-4:3 resolutions - you're meant to take the theme you want to use, then squash it with borders so that it's saved in a 4:3 res, but gets stretched out again when displayed
[20:03] <terli> hey. you. developers. I've got a feature request, and it's going to be implemented by jaunty, or else.
[20:03] <terli> I want this FW:
[20:03] <terli> to mark shuttleworth himself
[20:04] <crimsun> terli: send an e-mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss at lists dot ubuntu dot com
[20:04] <terli> When Ubuntu updates, it consumes an inordinate amount of bandwidth downloading the full packages. This should not be. Get to work implementing some form of -diff or delta for .deb packages.
[20:05] <michael48> directhex Thanx a lot, so you mean I can add even to spalsh 0.5.25 what ever themes as far as they are pure 4:3 res?
[20:06] <stgraber> michael48: yeah, that should work, then usplash will take care of the rendering based on the usplash.conf file
[20:06] <directhex> michael48, i haven't checked very recent versions of usplash, but the case when i described was the state of play for intrepid
[20:07] <directhex> terli, or else what?
[20:07] <terli> I didn't specify an "else".
[20:07] <terli> o wait, I did.
[20:07] <terli> or else, erm, umm
[20:08] <terli> you will all get a nasty cold.
[20:08] <terli> so there.
[20:08] <directhex> too late.
[20:13] <michael48> directhex stgraber BUT I googled for 4:3 resolutions and 1400x1050 *IS* 4:3 according to a list I found... No way to add such resolution to usplash-theme-ubuntu.c to the standard ones and to get a working .so theme!
[20:14] <directhex> oh, hm, so it is. i was thinking of 1680x1050
[20:15] <cjwatson> maxb: just soyuz is fine
[20:16] <michael48> directhex Whilst 1365x768 IS a 16:9 and the usplash-theme-ubuntu.c ships with that resolution ( I mean the standard usplash-theme source package). How's that? If I managed to understand that, I could grab the ratio of this new usplash version ...
[20:16] <directhex> michael48, how does your /etc/usplash.conf look?
[20:17] <michael48> x=1400 y=1050
[20:18] <michael48> And in fact I am able to load the theme  I compiled, but it is rendered smaller than my vesafb resolution
[20:18] <michael48> which I chose as of 1400x1050
[20:18] <directhex> how did you set it at that?
[20:19] <michael48> through grub.lst vga=0x348
[20:20] <directhex> and where did you get that value from?
[20:20] <michael48>  sudo hwinfo --framebuffer
[20:20] <directhex> okay, good call.
[20:20] <directhex> hm
[20:21] <michael48> 1400x1050 24 bits
[20:21] <directhex> "not sure" is the answer now then. i tried looking at the hwinfo source once, and ran screaming
[20:21] <directhex> anything past 1280x1024 is a system-specific value
[20:21] <directhex> i.e. depends on your gpu. but it sounds like that's not the issue
[20:21] <michael48> but dmesg at startup says the console res. is set to 1400x1050
[20:21] <directhex> but usplash behaves funny when you use a framebuffer console
[20:22] <directhex> which is unfortunate
[20:22] <directhex> for the sake of argument, what happens if you turn off the fb console?
[20:22] <michael48> well i didn't try that, since i use the console a lot and i want an optimal res. for it
[20:23] <michael48> shall i maybe use 16 bit instead of 24 bit?
[20:24] <directhex> might help. might not
[20:25] <directhex> usplash needs work to, well, suck less. but the source is a scary place
[20:26] <michael48> When I compiled the theme after adding the 1400x1050 pixmaps sudo usplash -c said No theme for res. 1400x1050 available..
[20:34] <terli> there, I sent an email to the lists.
[20:34] <terli> not that I expect any positive feedback.
[21:08] <michael48> directhex Hello again. It works now!! I was just compiling without setting the appropriate values for all parameters in the struc. AND I was also probably messing things up with the palette values. I wanted to tell you this so that you don't blame too much yourself or the people mantaining usplash! But creating a personal theme should be a user friendlier task!! Thans again.