[00:00] <hggdh> grindhold, well, it is something. May I suggest you restrict the install to the base system, *then* add in whatever else?
[00:01] <grindhold> xD i am trying fedora to be sure that it has something to do with ubuntu and not with the hardware
[02:11] <kylezoa> Bug #312059 and Bug #312058 needs to be set to wishlist
[02:14] <Hobbsee> and need to actually be against the right package...
[02:47] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: hi
[02:47] <MTecknology> Hobbsee: I was just wondering how busy you are
[13:12] <MrKanister> Hi. Here is a weird bug (bug #246189). Have a look at the last comment
[13:13] <MrKanister> I wonder if that one can be closed, because the reporter seems happy with his workaround and doesn't want to do much about it being discussed upstream
[13:16] <persia> No, closing it isn't right.
[13:17] <persia> I've seen similar behaviour with a mostly unsupported card reader device.
[13:17] <persia> More than anything, it needs someone with the hardware to confirm or fail-to-confirm.
[13:17] <gnomefreak> the 2 flash drives i have work fine in nautilus
[13:17] <persia> If it can be shown not to be a bug, then it's worth invalidating, but not just because nobody is looking at it now: that just hides problems.
[13:18] <persia> gnomefreak, Yes, but those are both removable controllers.
[13:18] <persia> The trick is having removable storage with a non-removable controller.  This tends to be confusing.
[13:18] <gnomefreak> looking before i leave for work
[13:22] <MrKanister> persia: Ok, thanks.
[13:30] <gnomefreak> it really needs upstream bug but snice atm ken is only one to see this and he refuses to help with the bug we really need someone to reproduce it, close it if noone in 30-60 days would be my idea
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Need a little help with bug 311759
[15:14] <charlie-tca> Do I send him to the magazine, advise to download the live cd, or ???
[17:23] <kylezoa> bug 312090 send over to wishlist please
[18:14] <zirpu> anyone here use FAI with ubuntu hardy?
[18:59] <LaserJock> is there a particular reason to make apport bugs have Medium importance automatically (i.e. before any triage or anything has been done)
[18:59] <LaserJock> ?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> LaserJock: what's the bug?
[18:59] <LaserJock> all of them :-)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> is there any activity to change them?
[18:59] <BUGabundo> all???
[18:59] <BUGabundo> haven't seem that yet
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Medium is used as normal.
[19:00] <BUGabundo> and I report most of my bugs via apport
[19:00] <charlie-tca> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[19:00] <LaserJock> BUGabundo: I guess it's only crasher bugs
[19:00] <BUGabundo> strange
[19:00] <LaserJock> charlie-tca: I don't think Medium is normal, rather Low, and I'm not sure why it should be set automatically
[19:00] <BUGabundo> still I'm used to see then as low
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Normally they have moderate impact on a core application
[19:01] <LaserJock> I end up with a lot of Medium New bugs, which is odd to me as nobody has even looked at them
[19:02] <LaserJock> I would think that there shouldn't be any New bugs with any status other than Undecided
[19:02] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that, LaserJock
[19:03] <charlie-tca> And, some of the teams even state that in their triaging procedures
[19:05] <LaserJock> right now 38% of my Medium bugs are New
[19:05] <charlie-tca> And i bet many of those are apport generated, too.
[19:06] <LaserJock> 0% of my Low bugs are New
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Bug-control sets importance except apport crash
[19:08] <LaserJock> hmm, 47% of my Wishlist are New though
[19:08] <LaserJock> I guess that would indicate poor triaging perhaps or more "meh, not important" attitude :-)
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Can the reporter set Wishlist?
[19:08] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I think they can, before hitting send on the report.
[19:09] <LaserJock> I rarely run into something I can't do so I have a hard time knowing what the permissions are
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know that one. I don´t look when I report, so I am not tempted to set it
[19:11] <BUGabundo> AFAIK reporter can't set wishlist
[19:13] <LaserJock> I don't see any real harm in having anybody being able to set "normal" or below
[19:14] <BUGabundo> humm LaserJock some BAD user could lower all your bugs then!
[19:14] <LaserJock> so?
[19:14] <LaserJock> going around assuming everybody is BAD just makes it harder to get GOOD done :-)
[19:15] <LaserJock> Debian has no ACLs that I'm aware of on their bug tracker and while they get a fair amount of spam I've rarely seen bad problems
[19:17]  * charlie-tca agrees with LaserJock. Assume they will do good, most people will!
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hehhehe
[19:17] <BUGabundo> hey don't let me stop you!
[19:18] <LaserJock> well, how many times a day does this channel get request for somebody to set Importance or Triaged?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> I don´t know the answer to that.
[19:19] <BUGabundo> humm way to many?
[19:19] <BUGabundo> but all wikis say that!
[19:19] <LaserJock> seems like quite a bit from what little I hang out in here
[19:19] <BUGabundo> to come here, post, and wait
[19:20] <LaserJock> so is it worth all the hassle of having to set Status/Importance for people when 99.9% of the time it's just fine?
[19:21] <LaserJock> if somebody mis-triages and sets Triaged too early what's the worst that's going to happen? a dev kicks it back
[19:24] <BUGabundo> since we are asking, can some one update the uptream bug id fof https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/311521
[19:24] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:24] <BUGabundo> already sent it upstream
[19:25] <BUGabundo> but jonathan opend the upstream task, and I cant update it
[19:25] <BUGabundo> found it
[19:25] <BUGabundo> thanks anyway
[19:26] <BUGabundo> how does LP automagicly know about it???
[19:26] <BUGabundo> I just submited it! strange 8)
[19:27] <LaserJock> does "Won't Fix" count as closing a bug? I assume so
[19:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:27] <yuriy> sure, but what does "closing a bug" mean?
[19:27] <LaserJock> i.e. doesn't show up in default bug searches, is a "terminal" status, etc.
[19:28] <BUGabundo> brb dinner
[19:28] <charlie-tca> Means the developer is done with it
[19:28] <charlie-tca> too
[19:29]  * LaserJock wants to be done with it ;-)
[19:29] <charlie-tca> :-)
[19:45]  * LaserJock goes on a mass Won't Fix spree :-)
[20:59] <BUGabundo> back from dinner
[21:09] <portrman> bdmurray - ping?
[21:21] <Elwell> evening all - contemplating spending some (non) free time triaging - someone care to convince me either way?
[21:22] <portrman> does anyone know Brian Murray here?
[21:23] <james_w> portrman: yeah, what's up?
[21:24] <portrman> I'm a random stranger, but I had a package deliver to my house that I think belongs to him based on google searches and was trying to get a hold of him
[21:24] <portrman> are you able to get him online so I can confirm with him?
[21:24] <james_w> I assume he is off with his family for the holidays
[21:24] <james_w> sounds quite odd though
[21:25] <james_w> portrman: have you sent him a mail?
[21:25] <portrman> yeah, I know I sound fishy but... I'll give that a try, I saw his work email in the wiki, figured I'd try here first to move things along quicker
[21:25] <portrman> the two phone numbers I found both say out of service
[21:27] <james_w> drop him an email, it's more likely to get a response at this point I expect
[21:27] <portrman> thx
[21:27] <james_w> I assume he will be around from Monday
[21:27] <james_w> he won't be going anywhere, just taking a well-deserved break.
[21:28] <portrman> heh, I know what that is like, I'm on vaca too, not going anyways, just avoiding work .. not that I don't read work email here and there... cheers!
[23:02] <kylezoa> bug 312310 send over to wishlist please, has been posted in brainstorm already