| vadi2 | Hi, I'm not sure who to tell this, but www.opensource.mirrors.org is a ubuntu mirror and the domain is expired. For example http://www.opensourcemirrors.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bogosec/bogosec_2.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb will not work | 00:34 |
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| cjwatson | vadi2: #ubuntu-mirrors or mirrors@ubuntu.com would be better | 00:36 |
| vadi2 | alrighty, thank you. | 00:37 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: are there any plans to sanitise the ubuntu-devel@ moderation queue? | 00:59 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: what's up with it? I haven't looked since before Christmas | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: mark's mail has generated a lot of response - directly to that list | 01:00 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: I'll sort it out at some point, already talked about it with Mark | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: OK | 01:02 |
| * Hobbsee does a bit of cherrypickingon it | 01:02 | |
| cjwatson | feel free to reject such mails and ask them to respond to Mark directly (though apparently he's already got several hundred responses ...) | 01:02 |
| Hobbsee | i did... | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | and then i hit ctrl+c by accident on my listadmin | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | cursed loudly, and decided not to do that again | 01:03 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy to deal with it when I get that far | 01:03 |
| Hobbsee | cool :) | 01:04 |
| * Hobbsee is just cherrypicking by subject line, at thisp oint | 01:04 | |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: I posted a followup and am rejecting with this message: "Thanks for your response, but could you please send it to Mark directly, rather than to ubuntu-devel? See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-December/027088.html for more information." | 01:17 |
| Hobbsee | cjwatson: sounds good to me | 01:17 |
| directhex | oh my... mark started a "desktop thread" on the mailing list? no wonder the mod queues are clogged | 01:19 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee: queue cleared | 01:55 |
| Nafallo | \o/ | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 02:02 |
| lamalex | Does anyone know if there is a channel for the ubuntu netbook remix devs? | 03:29 |
| lamalex | their LP page doesn't make it obvious | 03:29 |
| calc | cjwatson: noticed the post about most common laptop screen resolution being 1024x768? (wrt sabdfl) can you even get a 4:3 aspect panel anymore, i would think 1280x800 is the most common for the past several years at least | 04:46 |
| * calc thinks the only 1024x768 laptop still being made (that he knows of) is the X61 which is due to be EOL any day now | 04:47 | |
| persia | calc, 1400x1050 and 1600x1200 remain available in 4:3 | 05:02 |
| calc | persia: oh ok | 05:02 |
| persia | Also, the Panasonic Let's Note series for R, and W are still 1024x768, although I have to agree they are less common these days. | 05:03 |
| calc | ok | 05:04 |
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| fargiolas | did anyone from SRU team already look at bug #308890 ? | 09:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 308890 in libv4l "SRU for libv4l 0.5.7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308890 | 09:12 |
| directhex | how much RAM do the buildds have? | 10:51 |
| Nafallo | differs | 10:57 |
| directhex | to build something like, say, openjdk | 10:58 |
| persia | directhex, Some have in excess of 4GB available. | 10:59 |
| directhex | persia, somehow that doesn't surprise me | 10:59 |
| directhex | persia, i thought there was a problem with building ikvm, some kind of memory leak | 11:00 |
| directhex | persia, the memory leak is called "javac". the "-J-Xmx1536M" doesn't help much. lowering that value leads to an OOM error | 11:01 |
| persia | I thought ikvm was compiled against the CLI, rather than a JVM | 11:02 |
| directhex | persia, ikvm is the bastard child of both. | 11:04 |
| directhex | persia, IKVM.GNU.Classpath.dll has to come from somewhere | 11:04 |
| directhex | well, IKVM.Opensomethingorother these days. updating the package in a sane way is the problem | 11:04 |
| directhex | i only have 2 gig of ram on here | 11:05 |
| directhex | (only! ¬_¬) | 11:05 |
| persia | Right. I remember looking at that a few months ago, and realising I didn't have any idea how to update it properly. | 11:06 |
| directhex | it's the package nobody wants to touch. with good reason. | 11:06 |
| persia | You could try PPA builds to see if they work: I've heard of people building OOo in PPAs, so it can't be that restricted. | 11:06 |
| persia | What's the rationale for it again? | 11:06 |
| directhex | rationale for what? ikvm? | 11:07 |
| persia | Rather, ikvm in the repos. | 11:07 |
| directhex | it's technically highly interesting. for one, it allows you to use any .class, unmodified, in a CLI app, e.g. where a java lib exists but a CLI one doesn't | 11:09 |
| directhex | i wonder if it's on debian popcon | 11:09 |
| persia | 149 / 39 / 88 / 22 / 0 | 11:09 |
| persia | No maintainer either, and removed from testing. | 11:09 |
| directhex | the maintainer dumped it for sanity reasons | 11:10 |
| directhex | i could probably massage it back into life if i had enough ram to actually test build it | 11:10 |
| directhex | right now i just want to make sure the latest version compiles & works | 11:10 |
| persia | Use a PPA for the test build. It ought either be made to work or dropped, as it's currently mostly a curiosity. | 11:11 |
| directhex | need a shell right now. sigh, i could build a chroot in a machine at work, in theory | 11:12 |
| directhex | i wonder if it works on itanium. a terabyte of ram ought to be enough, even for java... | 11:13 |
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| cjwatson | calc: all I did was moderate the mailing list discussion - I have no involvement in the screenshot gathering itself | 11:50 |
| directhex | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30M Dec 29 11:54 IKVM.OpenJDK.ClassLibrary.dll | 11:56 |
| directhex | well, it's less chunky than "real" openjdk ;) | 11:57 |
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| LordMetroid | ahh here we go | 12:25 |
| LordMetroid | I see that 9.04 will merely focus on getting the boot to become quicker | 12:26 |
| LordMetroid | However ever since I started using Ubuntu around 2005 I have experienced it to become slower and slower in general | 12:27 |
| LordMetroid | Anyone know where I should turn to try to fix this? | 12:27 |
| LordMetroid | I mean community wise, where am I suppose to starr | 12:27 |
| LordMetroid | *start | 12:27 |
| persia | LordMetroid, profile the applications you use most. Determine what's slow. Try to optimise those things. | 12:28 |
| LordMetroid | persia, ok... I've been looking through the wiki and featyre/bug list, is that where I shall post my findings? | 12:28 |
| persia | You might organise our findings on the wiki. The bug tracker would be the place to file the optimisation solutions. | 12:30 |
| Company | site note: debugging perceived slowness is _hard_ | 12:32 |
| LordMetroid | Indeed | 12:33 |
| Company | (and it's "side", not "site") | 12:33 |
| LordMetroid | It is not merely percieved, using Ubuntu on the 5 year old laptop that I do have, it is a human measurable relative slowness | 12:34 |
| Company | yeah, but that is to be expected | 12:34 |
| Company | people add features so code runs "fast enough" on current models | 12:34 |
| Company | s/so/as long as/ | 12:34 |
| LordMetroid | I know, that is why I have to look out for the little man in the cottage still using their 5 year old laptops | 12:36 |
| LordMetroid | :) | 12:36 |
| persia | LordMetroid, One thing to consider is that there may be more services running in the background: try reviewing the process list and see what happens if you make them the same. | 12:37 |
| persia | Then, of course, you want to get the services back :) | 12:37 |
| cjwatson | this may be politically incorrect but it is not clear to me that the community can do a whole lot to help with optimisation. Performance work is generally hard development graft | 12:38 |
| cjwatson | once some of that work is done we'll need help to ensure that we haven't broken anything, of course | 12:39 |
| LordMetroid | Why is sun-java packages non-free? I thought Sun had revised their licenses and made Java GNU? | 12:44 |
| persia | cjwatson, It's hard, but is there any reason that any given person can't do it, assuming they have the time and expertise? | 12:44 |
| persia | LordMetroid, You're looking for OpenJDK for the open one. The sun-java packages are legacy. | 12:45 |
| LordMetroid | Is OpenJDK the default package being installed? | 12:55 |
| LordMetroid | I noticed GCJ's speed is terrible comparatively to Sun-java | 12:55 |
| cjwatson | persia: such expertise is sufficient to make you a developer IMO | 13:04 |
| persia | Ah. I guess we're just looking at separate semantics. I'd agree that anyone with that expertise ought self-identify as a developer. | 13:06 |
| maxb | Hi. If there's anyone who knows how Packages-arch-specific is supposed to work, would they care to check I'm not talking nonsense in bug 311952? | 13:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311952 in soyuz "Packages-arch-specific blocking of a single binary blocks the entire source package" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311952 | 13:11 |
| maxb | And also tell me whether I should be reporting that to some Ubuntu entity as disctinct from Soyuz itself | 13:12 |
| persia | maxb, Soyuz would be the right place to report it. I can't say whether it is a bug or not, in part because I don't know how one might trigger a build of just some binary packages. | 13:14 |
| maxb | It's the source package's responsibility to build the subset of binary packages for the architecture it's being built on/for | 13:16 |
| maxb | and in the specific case of my example, it does do that, if only Soyuz would actually attempt the build at all | 13:17 |
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| bbs | http://dpaste.com/103409/ | 17:08 |
| bbs | :( | 17:08 |
| tseliot | bbs: follow only point 1 of Tutorial 1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn | 17:11 |
| tseliot | it will help you remove the error about your key | 17:12 |
| bbs | thx | 17:14 |
| calc | cjwatson: ok | 17:39 |
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| NCommander | Where's the package where the installability information of te archive is posted? | 17:58 |
| CarlFK | before I consult an attorney (which may happen, but the more I can give him the better) I am wondering what the licensing issues are for modifying and redistributing one of the stock fonts? | 18:35 |
| CarlFK | namely http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/all/gsfonts/filelist /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019004l.afm | 18:35 |
| Laney | CarlFK: If you apt-get source gsfonts, it should tell you the license | 18:36 |
| CarlFK | looking at the header carl@asus17:~$ grep Copyright /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019004l.afm; Notice (Copyright (URW)++,Copyright 1999 by (URW)++ Design & Development; Cyrillic glyphs added by Valek Filippov (C) 2001-2005) | 18:36 |
| CarlFK | looking... | 18:36 |
| Laney | try debian/copyright or COPYING in the root | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | it says it's GPL | 18:37 |
| Laney | rock on | 18:37 |
| CarlFK | awesome. thanks | 18:37 |
| LaserJock | looks like GPLv2 although it points to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL which now points to GPLv3 | 18:39 |
| LaserJock | but it looks like GPLv2 just looking at /usr/share/docs/gsfonts/copyright | 18:40 |
| CarlFK | I'll let someone else worry about that level of detail. | 18:41 |
| fta | pitti, thanks for calibre. I wanted to do it (i own a PRS-700) but you beat me to it. I fixed the deps and added desktop files a few days ago in my branch but I saw you did it today, so all is fine. | 18:42 |
| CarlFK | now I am on to figuring out how to make it 140% wider. | 18:42 |
| fta | pitti, just a thought though... i would have created a packaging branch with just the debian/ dir. easier to keep the upstream branch clean. | 18:45 |
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| avb | hey guy | 20:27 |
| avb | guys | 20:27 |
| avb | http://www.gnome.org/~lcolitti/gnome-startup/analysis/ | 20:27 |
| avb | does somebody already have seen this article? | 20:27 |
| avb | look like gnome startup can be improved a lot, with gconf tunning | 20:28 |
| LaserJock | anybody know if gnome-system-tools is sort of dead upstream? | 21:05 |
| james_w | LaserJock: yeah | 21:23 |
| Laney | bryce: Do you have your merge_changelog script still? | 21:23 |
| LaserJock | james_w: yeah as in you know or yeah as in it's sort of dead? :-) | 21:24 |
| james_w | Laney: I've got a copy if it's not on people.ubuntu.com anymore | 21:24 |
| Laney | james_w: It 404s. Can you upload, or better shove it in u-d-t? | 21:24 |
| james_w | http://jameswestby.net/scratch/merge_changelog | 21:26 |
| Laney | thanks muchly | 21:26 |
| james_w | I'll see about getting it in to devscripts | 21:27 |
| ebroder | Hmm...I wonder if you could make that simpler using python-debian... | 21:31 |
| james_w | probably | 21:31 |
| james_w | I might well do that as well :-) | 21:31 |
| ebroder | Hmm...this should actually be really easy. You get a debian_bundle.changelog.Version object for each element in both changelogs, throw them into a set, then sort, right? | 21:34 |
| james_w | not sure a set is correct, as there may be duplicates, but yeah, sounds about right | 21:35 |
| james_w | the issue is that calling cl.versions throws exceptions on too many occasions currently | 21:36 |
| ebroder | But you'd want to eliminate duplicates as part of the merge, wouldn't you? | 21:36 |
| ebroder | As long as both the Ubuntu package and the Debian package stuck to their respective policies, how could you have any overlap? | 21:37 |
| james_w | yeah, but not if an entry was duplicated on one side I believe. | 21:37 |
| sebner | james_w: is there any GNU document which tells you which files you have to have in your source tarball e.g AUTHORS; COPYING, ... | 21:44 |
| Laney | sebner: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html | 21:44 |
| ion_ | AFAIU, to use GPL, you only need to distribute COPYING and have the appropriate comment block in the source files. | 21:45 |
| sebner | Laney: more +1's from me :P | 21:45 |
| Laney | heh | 21:45 |
| james_w | sebner: the GNU coding standards guide may say something about AUTHORS etc. | 21:46 |
| james_w | I believe AUTHORS, README, ChangeLog, NEWS are standard for GNU | 21:46 |
| sebner | james_w: but standard != must have? | 21:46 |
| james_w | not sure | 21:47 |
| Laney | sebner: http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/sysinfo-fakemerge.debdiff | 21:52 |
| Laney | you don't need a bug, do you? :( | 21:52 |
| Laney | erm, that was meant for debian-mono | 21:52 |
| * Laney runs | 21:52 | |
| james_w | "Only apply Ubuntu patches when building on Ubuntu" <- interesting | 21:54 |
| sebner | heh | 21:55 |
| Laney | so that we could have the same thing in debian and ubuntu | 21:56 |
| sebner | james_w: how is bzr accepted these days by developers? :) | 21:56 |
| james_w | Laney: yeah, it's sensible, I just find it odd that Debian wouldn't apply patches for known bugs | 21:57 |
| james_w | sebner: with a sample size of one, me, it's deemed to be the best thing since silicone egg poachers | 21:57 |
| Laney | james_w: Well that patch depends on our lsb-release behaviour, so it doesn't make sense for them | 21:57 |
| Laney | I should rewrite that bit to do the right thing | 21:58 |
| james_w | I was looking at the one that I uploaded, which applies to Debian as I understand | 21:58 |
| sebner | james_w: heh, sounds cool. though Debian folks say it's worse than svn | 21:58 |
| james_w | sebner: not all of them | 21:59 |
| Laney | james_w: The mono-cairo FTBFS doesn't happen there if that's what you mean | 21:59 |
| sebner | james_w: but many =) | 22:00 |
| james_w | Laney: 04-fix_usb_pci_limit.patch | 22:00 |
| Laney | shit, I applied that one didn't I? | 22:00 |
| james_w | oh | 22:00 |
| james_w | no, I see how it works now, sorry | 22:00 |
| james_w | I didn't realise series-ubuntu was a super-set of series | 22:00 |
| james_w | apologies for slighting your skills | 22:01 |
| Laney | yeah, I couldn't immediately see how to append series-ubuntu to series nicealy | 22:01 |
| Laney | -a | 22:01 |
| sebner | Laney: it builds \o/. uploading | 22:02 |
| james_w | I've seen it done somewhere I think, but maybe it wasn't quilt | 22:02 |
| Laney | sebner: Please test it a bit | 22:02 |
| Laney | if you have jaunty | 22:02 |
| * sebner upgrades to jaunty xD | 22:02 | |
| sebner | james_w: btw, you are a canonical guy. Do you know something about the MoM -> DaD progress/process? | 22:08 |
| james_w | no idea, sorry | 22:08 |
| sebner | np np | 22:08 |
| Adri2000 | sebner: ask Scott ;) | 22:10 |
| sebner | Adri2000: with K? ^^ | 22:10 |
| ScottK-palm | About? | 22:11 |
| Lutin | sebner: no, with 'james remnant' | 22:11 |
| sebner | Lutin: thx ) | 22:11 |
| sebner | =) | 22:11 |
| Adri2000 | yep :) | 22:11 |
| sebner | ScottK: false alarm =) | 22:11 |
| ScottK-palm | Ah. | 22:11 |
| * stgraber is playing with hardy on ia64 | 22:40 | |
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