[00:19] <linuxman410> i bought a kvm switch from zonet a two port and xubuntu would only go 640x480 does anyone know of kvm switch that works with linux
[00:21] <charlie-tca> I have two that do. One is a two-port Belkin Flip and the other is a 4-port Belkin
[00:22] <charlie-tca> I have been using them since 6.06
[00:22] <linuxman410> do you have the model numbers
[00:22] <charlie-tca> and yes, I use them with jaunty
[00:22] <charlie-tca> Model N10117 Belkin 4-Port KVM
[00:23] <charlie-tca> The other is simply called the 'Flip'
[00:23] <linuxman410> thanks
[00:23] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[00:26] <linuxman410> i have the usb flip do u think it will work
[00:27] <charlie-tca> I don´t really know. None of mine use USB
[00:28] <linuxman410> ok just checking
[00:28] <charlie-tca> You probably need to use the rear USB connections, not the front. They have more power for some reason
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Mine both power off the PS2 connectors
[00:29] <linuxman410> my friend said he had a dlink 4 port he would sell me but i hope it will work with ubuntu
[00:29] <linuxman410> and xubuntu
[00:30] <charlie-tca> Will he let you try it first?
[00:30] <linuxman410> because i have 4 linux boxes that i use i hate to unhook monitor and change all the time
[00:31] <linuxman410> i need to ask him
[00:31] <charlie-tca> I know the feeling. I run 5 systems here, with two keyboards, 2 mice, 2 monitors
[00:31] <charlie-tca> I do a lot of testing
[00:32] <charlie-tca> Gotta go. Good luck
[00:32] <linuxman410> thanks
[00:32] <charlie-tca> you're welcome
[00:37] <Dominiddio> Hello people does anyone can help me?
[00:47] <Dominiddio> Hello guys I got a little "modem-eeepc comunication" problem, does anybody can help me?
[01:24] <venger> hey guys i have an install using a low res (tv) and can't find where in xfce4 to add programs to be autostarted ?
[01:45] <stweston> anyone here know how to hook up an internal HDD so that it connects on boot?
[01:45] <stweston> I mean, so that it will be recognized by Xubuntu when it starts up?
[01:49] <stweston> anyone?
[01:50] <stweston> okay... guess not.
[01:50] <erov> yeah
[01:50] <stweston> eh?
[01:51] <stweston> what do you mean, "yeah"?
[01:51] <erov> i do know how.. or did
[01:51] <stweston> okay...
[01:51] <stweston> would you help?
[01:51] <erov> it's become a bit complicated with the UUID stuff.. hod on
[01:51] <erov> hold on
[01:51] <stweston> okay
[02:24] <craigbass1976> Perhaps another dumb question...  I have things saved to the Desktop directory, but I don't see them on my desktop.   How come?
[02:25] <craigbass1976> Oh, they're there.  I clicked "Let XFCE Manage My Desktop" then clicked iton again.  Odd...
[02:47] <vidd> i want to set my screen resolution to always be 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024
[02:48] <vidd> how would i do this?
[03:35] <nikolam> hello, if  anyone is awake :)
[03:35] <nikolam> Os MIDI and playing midi files working for you?
[03:36] <nikolam> when I do amidi -l I see no devices..
[03:36] <nikolam> I am on 8.04
[03:36] <ball> hello nikolam
[03:36] <nikolam> 64-bit
[03:36] <nikolam> hi ball
[03:36] <ball> nikolam: give me a minute, I'll fire up my Xubuntu box
[03:36] <nikolam> ball, its great from you
[03:37] <nikolam> im meantime, I will fire my 8.10 in VM :)
[03:43] <nikolam> Hah, there IS midi device in 8.10 inside Qemu/KVM with sound support
[03:55] <nikolam> ball did you try it?
[03:58] <ball> nikolam: what app are you using to play MIDI files?
[04:00] <nikolam> totem, vnc, audacity, kmid :)
[04:02] <ball> vlc probably, rather than vnc
[04:02] <nikolam> audacious, rosegarden
[04:03] <ball> ...though vlc won't play my MIDI file either.
[04:04] <nikolam> vlc :)
[04:05] <ball> fetching audacity
[04:05] <nikolam> smplayer,mplayer
[04:08] <ball> audacity won't either, unless I use something to render it into a sampled sound file
[04:08] <ball> Isn't there a MIDI player in Linux?
[04:12] <ball> Ah, "playmidi"
[04:21] <ball> Hmm... neither that or muse are able to find my fm synth (if present)
[04:22] <Datz1> hello, I am experiencing low line out volume, is there a system volume control I can use to turn up the volume?
[04:22] <ball> ...not sure they'll work with the UART either
[04:22] <nikolam> sorry audacious. audacity is waw editor
[04:22] <ball> Datzl: what do you have it plugged into?
[04:22] <Datz1> ball, my tv
[04:23] <Datz1> ball, everything is turned up max, but its still very quite
[04:23] <Datz1> quiet*
[04:23] <ball> Datzl: hopefully volume sliders have no effect on line out
[04:23] <Datz1> Why is that?
[04:24] <ball> Datz1: because it's supposed to be a set Voltage
[04:24] <Datz1> oh
[04:24] <ball> ...700mV peak-to-peak iirc, though icbw
[04:24] <Datz1> I see
[04:24] <Datz1> so...is my hardware possibly to blame?
[04:25] <ball> It's certainly possible.  If the TV's input impedance were too high, that'd do it.
[04:25] <ball> ...or if your cables were crummy
[04:25] <ball> ...or if your sound card were faulty
[04:25] <Datz1> ball, thing is I think it was louder eailer
[04:25] <ball> ...I suppose it's not inconceivable that it's a software bug
[04:25] <Datz1> humm, I'll try some other devices
[04:25] <Datz1> humm
[04:27] <ball> That's a good idea... plug it into something else that has a line input
[04:27] <ball> ...then try plugging something else that has line out into the TV
[04:27] <ball> ...may help you localise the problem at least.
[04:29] <Datz1> ok, these other computer speakers are much louder
[04:30] <Datz1> cable might have gone bad recently...
[04:30] <Datz1> thanks for your help ball.  ;)
[04:35] <ball> hello bassboi
[04:43] <ball> hello xtmnx_
[04:44] <xtmnx_> hi
[04:45] <ball> aumix:  error opening mixer: Success  <- how much sense does that make?
[04:54] <ball> Ah crap, I think my sound card just isn't working.
[04:56] <GreedyB> I'm having trouble connecting to windows shares with Xubuntu.. I installed pyneighborhood but its not working :(
[05:00] <nikolam> ball what lspci is saying?
[05:01] <nikolam> GreedyB, You could try smbmount for start
[05:02] <nikolam> I myself made a script that mounts all my smb shares on other machine, with password
[05:03] <GreedyB> nikolam, thanks I'll man that and look that up as well
[05:10] <ball> nikolam: nothing helpful
[05:10] <ball> 01:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06)
[05:11] <nikolam> ball what sound card is that, that lspci is saying you have?
[05:11]  * ball shrugs
[05:11] <ball> I could strip down the machine again, but I don't have time right now.
[05:12] <ball> It may be one of those new sound cards, that's basically just DAC, ADC and a mixer chip
[05:13] <ball> and apps keep complaining about the lack of "Jack", whatever that is
[05:14] <ball> rosegarden also doesn't work, same complaint.
[05:15] <ball> KCrash: Application 'rosegarden' crashing...
[05:16] <ball> I have to go anyway.
[05:17] <nikolam> GreedyB, http://paste.ubuntu.com/94822/
[05:18] <GreedyB> nikolam, nice! what if the user has no password "" or blank
[05:18] <nikolam> ball I even have ES1370 emulated inside qemu/kvm. I have 8.10 inside kvm. It should work out of box
[05:19] <nikolam> GreedyB, I think there is a way NOT to put password in script but elsewere. see man page for command
[05:21] <nikolam> GreedyB, If user has no password, then he can lease one from me for 5$ each :)  :))
[05:21] <GreedyB> :)
[05:29] <GreedyB> nikolam, so I think part of my problem is I'm using OpenDNS
[05:29] <GreedyB> cause I specified the ip address and it worked
[05:30] <nikolam> mm OpenDNS is somethink like.. dyndns, right?
[05:31] <GreedyB> its special dns servers that are supposedly better but right now they are causing me grief
[05:31] <nikolam> I am using dyndns on home machine and it is refreshing right
[05:31] <nikolam> If it is local machine use /etc/hosts or setting the same on network manager
[05:32] <nikolam> Its strange to use SMB ove Internet. Seems that it is not secure enough. Thinking of using some VPN or something?
[05:32] <obf213> yo, can anyone help me with this. been using intrepid since its officialy release, yesterday i turn on my computer and i don't get internet even though i can connect to all networks, and get an ip and stuff. please help
[05:34] <nikolam> obf213, mmm, tried to ask your ISP? If you get Ip adress and there is no traffic, thech your firewall then. An ask ISP. Not forget you use Xubuntu to them, to make they day :)
[05:35] <nikolam> try pinging some site
[05:35] <nikolam> look if nslookup is doing its job
[05:35] <GreedyB> nikolam, adding it to the host file worked
[05:35] <GreedyB> :)
[05:35] <obf213> hey nikolam the internet works on the windows comp, and the mac comp. pinging does not work
[05:35] <nikolam> also check dns settings in network settings
[05:36] <GreedyB> nikolam, brb testing to see if fstab works now brb
[05:36] <nikolam> GreedyB, Great :)
[05:36] <obf213> nikolam: when i connect i take a look at the system moniter and it does reicve bits, at the initial connect i get few 100kb/s for a very short perioed then its all a few hundred bytes/second.
[05:36] <nikolam> obf213, Did you check your ethernet cable? :)
[05:37] <obf213> nikolam: yes, it works with the other computers, windows and mac
[05:38] <nikolam> try that nslookup www.yahoo.com
[05:38] <nikolam> does it say its ip adress?
[05:39] <obf213> connection timed out..
[05:40] <nikolam> aha. check dns settings in System>Network
[05:40] <nikolam> set your ISP dns settings there
[05:41] <nikolam> or you are using automatic (dhcp)
[05:42] <obf213> nikolam im using automatic
[05:42] <nikolam> try pinging 87.248.113.14
[05:42] <nikolam> that`s yahoo
[05:43] <obf213> "network is unreachable"
[05:43] <nikolam> ifconfig -a ?
[05:43] <obf213> one sec restarting.
[05:47] <obf213> nikolam: ok i ran the command
[05:47] <obf213> what exactly am i looking for?
[05:48] <obf213> i have an ip address, something called a bcast, a mask, an inet6 addr
[05:48] <nikolam> if you connect with network card, you are searching for your ip adress, if you have it
[05:48] <nikolam> eth0
[05:48] <obf213> yes, i have an ip address
[05:48] <obf213> yes
[05:49] <nikolam> uhh, checked that cable ?
[05:50] <obf213> so any idea as to why it doesn't work? i didn' tmake any system changes that i can remember then the next day it just stopped working.
[05:50] <obf213> yeah, its not the cable tho wifi connects but doesn't work either, and this is in multiple locations. i;ve checked the cable on pc and mac which seem to work just fine with it.
[05:51] <nikolam> try your firewall settings on machine
[05:51] <nikolam> I personally use Firestarter but you might try ufw
[05:52] <obf213> nikolam, as far as i remember i don't have a firewall, at least i've never set one up.
[05:52] <nikolam> you can see connections in Firestarter as they are sowing also, it is point-and-click to set up
[05:52] <nikolam> try netstat -anp to see your net connections
[05:53] <obf213> woah that just gave me a lot of stuff...
[05:54] <obf213> i sent it all to a text file not sure what im looking for
[05:54] <nikolam> tcp and udp are connections
[05:54] <nikolam> rest is local machine stuff
[05:55] <obf213> ok
[05:55] <obf213> so tcp is 0.0.0.0.111
[05:55] <nikolam> Do you have some kind of web interface control on you router?
[05:55] <nikolam> maybe you can find some info there
[05:55] <obf213> and 0.0.0.0.631, one of the udp's is my ip address
[05:56] <linuxlerner> anyone know how to make xubuntu make sounds when you maximize a window, etc?
[05:56] <nikolam> Also it is mostly safe to ask ISP support for connection problems, as it is with Mac or PC
[05:57] <obf213> yeah. my only issue is ive been using linux for 2 years + now with no problems
[05:57] <obf213> and 2 days ago everything just seemed to stop working as far as internet
[05:57] <nikolam> obf213, That is why I stayed with LTS this time..
[05:59] <obf213> ..sigh..
[06:00] <obf213> looks like i might revert back to windoze. not having internet is totally unacceptable and i've spent 2 days trying to fix this nobody seems to know why it doesn't work since all signs say it should.
[06:00] <linuxlerner> maybe its a hardware problem
[06:00] <linuxlerner> like the router
[06:00] <nikolam> obf213, No to `doze.
[06:01] <linuxlerner> do you have a blinky light on the back of the pc
[06:01] <nikolam> obf213, Try restarting router, asking Isp support, try booting form Live Ubuntu CD
[06:01] <obf213> linuxlerner: unlikely, this problem occured at airport, hotel, etc.
[06:01] <obf213> places where i've used it before and it worked
[06:02] <nikolam> Does it work when you boot from Live Ubuntu CD?
[06:02] <obf213> nikolam: yeah  i wish i had my install cd with me, on vacation though.
[06:02] <linuxlerner> did you tried releaseing and restarting the tcpd
[06:03] <obf213> linuxlerner: probably. how do i do that again?
[06:03] <obf213> ive restarted the comptuer at least 50 times.
[06:04] <nikolam> obf213, Try to select OTHER kernel on boot. and see if it works then
[06:04] <linuxlerner> yeah but i have a jeos server i ave to release and refresh the ip at boot for some reason
[06:04] <obf213> yeah tried that as well.e
[06:05] <linuxlerner> is it getting assigned an ip address
[06:05] <nikolam> maybe network card just died for some reason or something
[06:05] <nikolam> i dont know
[06:05] <obf213> well the network card didn't die
[06:05] <obf213> cuz i see that i am actually receivind data
[06:06] <obf213> yeah. it doesn't really make any sense.
[06:06] <linuxlerner> do you hve firewall?
[06:06] <linuxlerner> blocking port 80
[06:06] <linuxlerner> or firefor process or whatever
[06:06] <obf213> img getting data in incredibly small volumes, except for when i initialy connect.
[06:06] <obf213> linuxlerner: i don't and used some command for firewal and disabled it anywyas
[06:07] <nikolam> SOooo it is Working, surfing and else, BUT slowly??
[06:07] <linuxlerner> that is dramatically different than having no internet for 2 days
[06:08] <obf213> nikolam: no
[06:08] <obf213> its not working or surfing
[06:08] <nikolam> oh sorry then
[06:08] <obf213> all i know is that the system monitor shows that it is receiving data
[06:08] <obf213> in very small amounts
[06:08] <obf213> so its connected to something....
[06:09] <linuxlerner> does sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update        give errors
[06:09] <nikolam> linuxlerner, how can he update with no network?
[06:10] <obf213> ^^
[06:10] <obf213> but clean works fine.
[06:10] <linuxlerner> he says he has some traffic
[06:10] <linuxlerner> maybe cord is bad
[06:10] <linuxlerner> cable
[06:10] <nikolam> obf213, do you have a modem on that computer?
[06:11] <obf213> no i dont.
[06:11] <nikolam> is it laptop/notebook or desktop?
[06:14] <nikolam> maybe that company is using pppoe protocol for connecting to internet?
[06:15] <nikolam> or you need to know gateway IP to connet thrue it?
[06:15] <nikolam> So in the MIDDLE of an vacation, computer stopped working on Any network it worked day before?
[06:17] <obf213> nikolam: yeah thats correct.
[06:17] <obf213> they day before vacation. at 3:00am my internet worked
[06:17] <obf213> at 10 am it didn't
[06:17] <obf213> and has remained that way ever since
[06:17] <nikolam> AFTER System update, right?
[06:18] <nikolam> Did there was some system update?
[06:18] <obf213> nikolam: am not sure, maybe? i can't remember ubuntu updates every 5 minutes it seems like. but there was probably an update in that time.
[06:18] <nikolam> But, internet worked on same location where it didn`t worked, right?
[06:19] <nikolam> or it worked at home, but not on vacation?
[06:19] <obf213> it didn't work at the airport
[06:19] <obf213> where it always works
[06:19] <nikolam> aha. the same airport?
[06:19] <obf213> i thought something was wrong with there connection, until everyone else computers connected and worked.
[06:19] <obf213> yes.
[06:19] <obf213> my hometown airport.
[06:19] <obf213> doesn't work at the hotel either.
[06:20] <nikolam> so you are using exclusively ethernet connection?
[06:20] <obf213> same MO thought both times, finds networks, connects, no interet
[06:20] <obf213> right now yes, but i have tried wireless, same thing
[06:20] <nikolam> no wireless integrated/usb wireless?
[06:20] <linuxlerner> what does ifconfig say
[06:21] <nikolam> ifconfig gives him some local ip adress for eth0
[06:21] <obf213> yeah my wireless card is an intel, its integrated
[06:21] <nikolam> and also he seems to use dhcp
[06:21] <nikolam> also pinging IP does not work, nor nslookup
[06:21] <linuxlerner> can you ping your gateway
[06:21] <obf213> but if i connect i get ip and everything, but internet willl not work
[06:21] <nikolam> so do you have ath0 then
[06:22] <linuxlerner> can you connect to your router setup page?
[06:22] <nikolam> do you get list of networks when hover over network icon?
[06:22] <nikolam> linuxlerner, its not ne`s router
[06:22] <nikolam> linuxlerner, his router, its from airport
[06:23] <nikolam> obf213, say, where you are now? in hotel or?
[06:23] <obf213> yes i do get the list of networks.
[06:23] <obf213> hotel.
[06:23] <obf213> it finds the hotel wifi no problem
[06:23] <nikolam> obf213, So, when you click on some of them, do you connect?
[06:23] <nikolam> so it is encrypted connection or not?
[06:23] <linuxlerner> maybe hotel wifi needs password or money to work
[06:24] <nikolam> yes, WEP key
[06:24] <nikolam> WAP sorry
[06:24] <obf213> no it does one of those thing were it routes you to there special page.
[06:24] <obf213> but its not an encrypted network
[06:25] <nikolam> so it routs you special page and then what asks?
[06:26] <obf213> just some basic info like room number.
[06:26] <obf213> but my linux laptop doesn't even get that page
[06:27] <obf213> it gets nothing but the server not found ff page
[06:27] <linuxlerner> maybe work offline is selected ?
[06:27] <nikolam> I used to see some setups where unencrypted wireless was using pppoe protocol with username/pass
[06:27] <nikolam> you setup it with sudo pppoeconf
[06:27] <nikolam> a-ha ..
[06:28] <obf213> hah i wish
[06:28] <obf213> but this problem has nothing to do with ff.
[06:30] <obf213> well thanks for your help
[06:30] <obf213> i think i'll call it quits
[06:30] <nikolam> last one
[06:31] <obf213> ?
[06:32] <nikolam> ls /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:32] <nikolam> or browse to it
[06:32] <nikolam> see what is newer date of debs installed
[06:32] <nikolam> newest
[06:32] <nikolam> E.G. to see what is last installed few days ago
[06:32] <nikolam> My reasoning is IF some update made your network non-working, maybe you can revert to older package and work
[06:33] <nikolam> is there any deb`s with dates after that day after 3 am
[06:33] <obf213> yeah i opened up my package manager, and didn't see anything of note in the history
[06:34] <obf213> the lastest update i had was early in the morning the day before i left, and the internet worked fine throughout that day
[06:34] <nikolam> open /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:34] <obf213> update was some python stuff, and libxine stuff, i think which is for media
[06:34] <obf213> ok
[06:35] <nikolam> look for newest packages
[06:35] <obf213> there is nothing there
[06:36] <obf213> but an empty folder clalled partial
[06:36] <obf213> i think somebody told me to run clean earlier in this thread
[06:36] <obf213> that might have somthing to do with it
[06:36] <nikolam> that is done with apt-get clean. uff
[06:36] <obf213> haha. well im SOL.
[06:37] <obf213> thanks. im headed off.
[06:37] <nikolam> Ok, next time bring Install Live CD with you.
[06:37] <nikolam> Or make Bootable USB from it.
[06:37] <nikolam> Its easy to.
[06:37] <obf213> yeah. im going to try that bootable usb business next time for sure.
[06:37] <obf213> later
[06:41] <obf213> nikolam: soo i was just about to shut this thing down.
[06:41] <obf213> went to my network.
[06:41] <nikolam> and and..
[06:41] <obf213> clicked on work group.....and a printer showed up
[06:41] <obf213> some hp somewhere...
[06:41] <obf213> so i go add the printer.. and i see it address
[06:41] <obf213> ping in terminal and it pings right back
[06:42] <nikolam> ahaaaaaaa
[06:42] <obf213> but nothing else works???
[06:42] <obf213> yup just killed the ping
[06:42] <obf213> 0 packet loss
[06:42] <nikolam> do sudo pppoeconf  try to make connection that way
[06:42] <nikolam> you are on hotel`s wireless or ethernet?
[06:43] <nikolam> so basically, network is working per se
[06:43] <obf213> i think my computers connected to both but defualts to ethernet
[06:45] <obf213> hmm ppoe or w/e says Provider didn't respond
[06:48] <nikolam> If ping is working then it is something else. IF ping is ok, then I don`t know
[06:48] <nikolam> last thing is default wateway
[06:48] <nikolam> gateway
[06:48] <nikolam> try
[06:48] <nikolam> route
[06:49] <obf213> ok
[06:50] <obf213> i see stars under the gateway column
[06:50] <nikolam> But is that ping is working again..
[06:50] <nikolam> what was IP of that printer?
[06:51] <obf213> 192.168.3.40
[06:51] <nikolam> and you say you saw it on network?
[06:51] <nikolam> like on smb working
[06:51] <nikolam> and your ip?
[06:51] <obf213> 192.168.0.194
[06:52] <nikolam> maybe you should put 255.255.255.255 netmask somewhere
[06:52] <nikolam> i am not that good as this things
[06:52] <obf213> mask for eth0 is 255.255.252.0
[06:54] <nikolam> maybe to set your ip to fixed value in network settings
[06:54] <nikolam> you use xubuntu or ubuntu?
[06:54] <nikolam> try eather 255.255.255.0 or 255.255.255.255
[06:54] <nikolam> i don`t know how to set it up but with network gui
[06:54] <nikolam> there are some examples under man route
[06:55] <obf213> ubuntu
[06:58] <obf213> alright well im goign to sleep thanks for your help
[07:03] <nikolam> goodbye
[07:03] <nikolam> :)
[07:13] <RAVTUX> hello all
[07:17] <nikolam> hi
[07:19] <RAVTUX> nikolam: hi
[07:28] <nikolam> got to go
[07:28] <nikolam> l8r
[09:48] <StickManBob> !ops
[10:14] <lillis> i've just installed xubuntu-desktop over a server install of ubuntu, how do i launch it?
[10:17] <TheSheep> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:42] <lillis> So I installed the xubuntu desktop, ran the etc/init.d/gde start (i think it was that) command and it booted
[10:42] <lillis> logged in
[10:42] <lillis> everything worked fine, but after a minute or so of fidgeting it told me it had updates to installed and wanted me to reboot, so I did (by clicking the reboot options it gave me)
[10:42] <lillis> but it didnt power off, just went to a blank/black screen
[10:43] <lillis> didnt managed to brig up another shell, so i rebooted with the power button
[10:43] <lillis> now it just boots to the same blank screen
[10:43] <lillis> still cant get a shell up
[10:43] <lillis> so i cant communicate with it at all
[10:44] <lillis> (sorry for the typos, im on an unfamiliar keyboard)
[10:44] <lillis> if i know what local ip it has i guess i could ssh to it via putty, but im not sure how to find that out
[10:45] <lillis> the windows network browser sure won't tell me
[10:46] <TheSheep> lillis: press alt+ctrl+f1 to get to a text terminal
[10:46] <lillis> is there a way to make it boot in a failsafe/terminal only mode from yaboot?
[10:46] <lillis> i tried, it doesnt work
[10:47] <sinbox> did you try esc at the very beginning of the boot?
[10:47] <lillis> before or after yaboot loader?
[10:48] <lillis> (im running the macppc version of ubuntu, on my ibook g4)
[10:48]  * TheSheep knows nothing about ppc version
[10:48] <TheSheep> it has some strange bootloader
[10:49] <lillis> my standard keys for getting up text terminal doesnt work
[10:49] <lillis> i.e. the ones i could use in terminal before the problem
[10:51]  * sinbox knows nothing about ppc either sorry
[10:53] <sinbox> there is a #ubuntu-powerpc which might have more people able to halp you with getting a terminal lillis
[10:55] <sinbox> if I may: why ubuntu server with a desktop on top?
[10:56] <lillis> well the HDD is getting really slow so I figured I wanted the most lightweight, but then I decided I might as well try xubuntu and see how it went
[10:57] <sinbox> you should have gone for the minimal installation, then again I'm not sure there is an alternate CD for ppc
[10:58] <lillis> minimal = server?
[10:58] <lillis> there is alternate for the ppc yes
[10:58] <lillis> ah you meant a minimal installation from the alternate disc. :)
[10:59] <lillis> I could just reinstall it, didn't take much time. But I'd prefer to solve the problem instead--
[11:06] <lillis> ould it be possible to reach the hard drive fille system from the shell I can launch from the install disc?
[11:06] <lillis> would*
[11:07] <TheSheep> yes
[11:07] <TheSheep> you can just mount it and chroot into it and it will act as if booted normally
[11:07] <lillis> so i do something like mount /dev/wd0 /whatever ?
[11:08] <TheSheep> yeah, mkdir whatever before that
[11:08] <lillis> alright, will try it, thanks alot
[11:08] <sinbox> yes boot from the CD, minimal is different from server actually (at least that's what I understand) it only installs a cli version (which is what I am about to do in X minutes here)
[11:12] <lillis> ok, cant find wd0, what device should my (only hd) be located at?
[11:13] <lillis> hda? mount /dev/hda /tempfs gives me "invalid argument"
[11:13] <lillis> server doesnt install any gui either
[11:14] <lillis> if thats what you meant sinbox
[11:15] <sinbox> I know server doesn't install a gui but there are other differences as well (I think they have slightly differen tkernel optimised differently)
[11:15] <lillis> ah
[11:15] <lillis> ill lookt into alternate then
[11:16] <lillis> still want to be able to solve this problem of mine though
[11:24] <sinbox> no luck mounting your HDD while in the live CD?
[11:25] <lillis> well i probably just suck
[11:25] <lillis> not sure where its located
[11:25] <lillis> any tips? (:
[11:25] <lillis> also its a text installer, not the live cd
[11:29] <lillis> ive tried "mount /dev/hda1 /foobar"
[11:29] <lillis> doesnt work
[11:30] <TheSheep> what does fdisk -l show?
[11:32] <lillis> fdisk: not found
[11:33] <TheSheep> argh
[11:34] <lillis> think ill jsut reinstall it all and go make some breakfast
[11:34] <lillis> and make sure to edit the xorg.conf properly
[11:36] <ablomen> lillis, cat /proc/partitions
[11:36] <ablomen> try that
[11:37] <lillis> shows five hda partitions
[11:37] <lillis> hda-hda4
[11:38] <lillis> trying to mount them give the same invalid argument though
[11:39] <ablomen> lillis, so something like `sudo mkdir /media/hd && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/hd` doesnt work?
[11:41] <lillis> mounting x on y failed: no such device
[11:42] <sinbox> lillis, difference between server and minimal-desktop-cli install is that the kernel is optimised differently for server and desktop versions.
[11:45] <ablomen> lillis, could you put the output of cat /proc/partitions on pastebin?
[11:49] <lillis> ive managed to use the rescue option in the yaboot loader which helps me mount my filesystem and enter it as root
[11:49] <lillis> so should be able to solve it soon
[11:52] <sinbox> there you go, best of luck
[11:58] <lillis> hmm
[11:59] <lillis> not sure if i should just apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop
[11:59] <lillis> cant find a solution
[12:04] <sinbox> I was just reading this about ubuntu server lillis > http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3712031
[12:16] <lillis> ran apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop on my current file system, but the reboot still is messed up
[12:16] <lillis> full reinstall incoming.
[12:17] <lillis> might as well do the alternate one
[13:06] <tingle> hi i just got a ipod classic what app should i use to connect to my ipod?
[13:18] <solotim> problem about mount.  I used ¨mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/sda1¨ and the disk was mounted, but it can not be written, I have done some googling but without luck
[13:18] <solotim> anyone can kindly give me a hand?
[13:21] <ablomen> solotim, first try chmown-ing the /media/sda1 dir to your user
[13:22] <solotim> chown: changing ownership of `./sda5': Operation not permitted
[13:23] <solotim> ablomen, ~
[13:23] <solotim> it´s current owner is root/root
[13:23] <ablomen> solotim, not the device, but the folder
[13:23] <ablomen> (first unmount again btw)
[13:23] <solotim> yes, the file, i;m sure
[13:23] <solotim> oh
[13:23] <solotim> i see
[13:23] <solotim> umount
[13:24] <ablomen> and you might want to look in the man page for uid and gid
[13:25] <ablomen> (man mount)
[13:27] <solotim> ablomen, 1. i umount those device. 2. I chown and chgrp /media/sda5 3. I mount abgain. And the result is that the /media/sda5 owner return to root again. why?
[13:28] <ablomen> hmm i guess because fat doesnt support permissions, so its set as the user that mounts it without the uid and gid options set
[13:28] <ablomen> so look at those
[13:28] <solotim> ok. thank you!
[13:28] <ablomen> np, good luck
[14:53] <jose> hello all. never used IRC before, and it was easy to get on immediately.
[14:54] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear that! :-)
[14:56] <jose> I found this address on the xubuntu home page because I've been having trouble getting DVDs to playback.  I've installed restricted stuff and then went as far as to uninstall Totem Movie Player and install VLC.  VLC got a little farther as far as playback, but it only plays a few frames, freezes, and not even sound happens.
[14:57] <jose> I think I may be asking too much of this old machine
[14:57] <TheSheep> or scratched dvd
[15:00] <jose> I thought about it being a scratched DVD, TheSheep.  But then I tried a number of DVDs, including a fresh, never been opened or played one, still to no avail.  What do you think?
[15:01] <TheSheep> jose: dirty dvd drive?
[15:01] <TheSheep> jose: btw, what processor and memory does that box have?
[15:02] <jose> Pentium II 450 MHz, 384 MB RAM, 13 GB Hard Drive
[15:03] <jose> never thought about a dirty dvd drive
[15:03] <charlie-tca> libdvdcss2 installed?
[15:03] <jose> how would I clean that?
[15:03] <jose> I think so, if it was on the troubleshooting orange Ubuntu documentation page. charlie-tca
[15:04] <jose> How do I do a quick check of libdvdcss2?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Synaptic Package Manager ; When it opens hilight any application, then type libdvdcss2
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It will go to it if it is there.
[15:08] <jose> a synaptic package manager quick search pulls up : xubuntu restricted areas as installed, but no libdvdcss2
[15:09] <jose> xtras, not areas
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Add the medibuntu repository per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu ; then you can add libdvdcss2
[15:13] <jose> I'll try that, charlie-tca
[15:23] <jose> I love using the terminal.  It makes me feel like I know what I'm doing, and reminds me of when I was a kid and running Leisure Suit Larry and risking getting caught by my friend's parents while looking at digital hoo-has
[15:23] <ball> lol @ "digital hoo-has"
[15:24] <sinbox> jose you were right though, those specs are very minimal for video/DVD playback
[15:26] <jose> I thought so, sinbox.  still it's worth it, just getting to mess around with it and learn stuff.  I'm already super happy with Xubuntu, as I wiped Windows XP from this box
[15:27] <sinbox> you were running XP on that?
[15:27] <sinbox> surely you meant crawling
[15:27] <jose> XP Pro aka XP Slow
[15:28] <jose> thing is, I used to be able to play DVDs on it ( I think I used PowerDVD)
[15:28] <ball> I had someone ask me on Thursday why Vista was running slowly on a computer.  Me: "How much RAM?" Nige: "512 Megabytes"
[15:28] <ball> Me: "well, there you go then."
[15:28] <jose> wow
[15:28] <sinbox> for a machine with your specs I would suggest taking a look at fluxbox or some other window managers, the fact that they are not full desktops make a huge difference in the power you have left to play with
[15:29] <jose> hey charlie, did the medibuntu thing, now what?
[15:29] <jose> sinbox, is fluxbox in addition to Xubuntu, or a different OS altogether?
[15:30] <ball> sinbox: all depends whether he or she has hardware motion video acceleration
[15:30] <charlie-tca> jose: Did you install libdvdcss2?
[15:30] <sinbox> it's instead of loging into XFCE you log into fluxbox, more of a learning curve there, and the people n the fluxbox channel are pretty dry (to say the least) but it saves a lot on ressources
[15:31] <ball> I'm a long time Blackbox user
[15:31] <ball> ...but I'm learning to tolerate Xfce
[15:31] <jose> what's the terminal command to do that?
[15:31] <ball> jose: to do what?
[15:31] <jose> sudo apt-get install blah blah?
[15:32] <sinbox> true ball, it's just I never bothered actually going for videos on my older machines
[15:32] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 ?
[15:32] <ball> sinbox: I so rarely sit at the console that video hasn't been a priority for me either.
[15:33] <ball> How do I ask Xubuntu whether an X display supports Xvideo ?
[15:33] <jose> i thought so.  I'm sorry, I should have explained that I don't really know computers, let alone linux stuff.  my main computer is a MacBook, cuz I'm dumb inclined, and they seem to be the most user friendly, but I like challenges, thus my Xubuntu project.  I can follow directions well
[15:34] <ball> jose: I missed the start of this conversation.  What are you trying to play video on?
[15:35] <sinbox> [15:02] <jose> Pentium II 450 MHz, 384 MB RAM,
[15:36] <ball> Pentium II 450 MHz should be adequate, but I'd up the RAM
[15:36] <jose> Pentium II 450MHz Gateway(OLD)  384MB of RAM 13 GB Hard Drive.  and it's a frankenstein of a machine my buddy was gonna trash years ago. so I took it
[15:36] <ball> Not sure whether SSE helps with video playback... that may depend on your card.
[15:36] <jose> originally designed to run Windows NT or 98
[15:37] <ball> Xubuntu is a good choice of operating system for it.
[15:37] <ball> I'm running Xubuntu on a 550 MHz Pentium III with 512 Mbytes of RAM
[15:37] <sinbox> I have one just a bit above this jose (P3 500Mhz same RAM) which I use for streaming mp3, I couldn't with xubuntu but on fluxbox it works a treat
[15:38] <jose> Charlie: keeps telling me some linux headers are automatically installed and no longer necessary and to auto remove them.  should I?
[15:38] <ball> sinbox: it's serving up the streams, or playing them?
[15:39] <jose> fluxbox is piquing my interest, just that if it's less user friendly than xubuntu, then I might never get it off the ground
[15:39] <ball> jose: your window manager is a red herring
[15:40] <sinbox> just sending live audio to the icecast server using darkice and running xchat next to that ball
[15:40] <ball> jose: what's important is whether your video card is capable of accelerating video playback, and then whether X.org supports that extra hardware.
[15:40] <ball> ...and how much RAM you have
[15:41] <sinbox> yes RAM makes a huge difference, if it tells you to remove the headers jose my guess is you can do it
[15:41] <jose> ball, I know this box has played dvds before, and well. i used to use PowerDVD when it was running windows xp
[15:41] <ball> jose: right, and that will have taken advantage of video playback hardware.
[15:41]  * sinbox insert broadcom pcmcia wifi card in laptop and crosses fingers
[15:42] <jose> how do i check for vid card acceleration?
[15:42] <ball> jose: so you want to make sure you're doing that on Linux too.
[15:42] <ball> jose: hang on, I'll check.
[15:43] <charlie-tca> jose: Won't hurt to autoremove. They are not being used anything.
[15:43] <ball> jose: try "lspci|grep VGA"
[15:43] <ball> (from a $ prompt)
[15:46] <jose> $?
[15:47] <jose> is that , oh yeah, in terminal
[15:47] <jose> hold on
[15:48] <sinbox> I guess it's fw43cutter time
[15:49] <ball> daisycutter?
[15:50] <jose> ATI Technologies Inc Rage/128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS
[15:52] <ball> jose: looks good then.  Have you tried vlc as a player?
[15:55] <jose> that's what is only playing a few frames then freezing. of course, ever since the installation of libdvdcss2 i haven't tried again, do I need to restart the computer?
[15:56] <jose> I already removed Totem Movie Player that it came with
[15:56] <jose> and replaced it with VLC
[15:56] <ball> jose: where do you live btw?
[15:56] <jose> Totem gave me probs of NO playback, and I've used VLC on my MacBook with great success
[15:57] <ball> jose: what format is the file you're trying to play?
[15:57] <jose> In the United States, in Florida particularly.  how about you, ball?
[15:57] <ball> Illinois
[15:57] <ball> What model is your Dell?
[15:57] <ball> s/Dell/Gateway/
[15:57] <jose> it's a Gateway
[15:58] <jose> oh
[15:58] <jose> hold on
[15:58] <jose>  front of the box says G6-450 right next to the RAMSTEIN sticker
[15:59] <sinbox> wow is it a huge box jose?
[16:00] <ball> Damn.
[16:00] <ball> Apparently that will only take 384 Mbytes of RAM
[16:00] <jose> the file?  a DVD.
[16:00] <ball> Ah.
[16:00] <jose> yes, a huge heavy box
[16:00] <jose> I ripped the face off because the power button broke
[16:00] <sinbox> I have a G6-300 :)
[16:01] <ball> real geeks don't need plastic facias anyway ;-)
[16:01] <sinbox> you could probably fit another MOBO a KVM and have space to spare in there
[16:02] <jose> I don't know why I want this box to live, I just...it's fun taking something worthless and making it go.  I mean, think about it, I'm talking to people in Illinois and other places on something that is not supposed to work!
[16:02] <ball> oh damn, my hard disk just filled up
[16:03] <jose> tried to play after libdvdcss2 install, same prob.  plays a few frames then picture freezes.  second counter still moves. no sound
[16:03] <sinbox> I use to love my G6, I kept it for 6 month as my main machine after being given an Athlon XP 1800
[16:04] <ball> jose: does it do that with every disk?
[16:04] <sinbox> have you tried playing avi files on vlc jose?
[16:05] <jose> I don't have any on the computer right now(fresh install, nothing imported
[16:05] <jose> lemme see if I can usb one onto it
[16:11] <jose> wow forgot that the only USB ports are on the back of the machine
[16:14] <adam> any one got an ATI card running in xubuntu
[16:14] <Guest16013> any one got an ATI card running in xubuntu
[16:15] <sri_barence> i have xubuntu with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
[16:15] <sinbox> not me
[16:17] <Guest16013> whats the benefits of this distro compared to ubuntu?
[16:17] <sri_barence> I am running Intrepid (8.10) with the proprietary 'fglrx' driver
[16:18] <sinbox> lighter desktop Guest16013
[16:18] <Guest16013> sri_barence, you got compiz running?
[16:18] <sri_barence> xubuntu uses 'xfwm4' as window manager, so no compiz
[16:19] <Guest16013> xfwm4?
[16:19] <sri_barence> but xfwm4 has nice compositing effects
[16:19] <sri_barence> xubuntu uses Xfce as main environment.
[16:20] <sri_barence> Xfce uses less system resources than GNOME, so it runs a bit better on my older machines.
[16:20] <Guest16013> so no themes then?
[16:20] <sri_barence> I have dozens of themes.
[16:20] <jose> awesome, avi files palyback on vlc, sometimes frame stops, but sound continues anf frame catches up, i'm guessing i can adjust settings within vlc itself, right?
[16:21] <jose> ball, yes it does it with every disk
[16:21] <sri_barence> Xfce can use any GTK themes.
[16:21] <sri_barence> But you can't use Emerald themes with the xfwm4 window manager.
[16:23] <Guest16013> what is the main difference between distros?
[16:23] <Odd-rationale> the main difference between various distros is the package management system
[16:26] <jose> ball?  you still there?  anyone know how to make vlc less choppy?
[16:30] <sinbox> not sure jose, you could ask in #videolan maybe, but if it skips/pauses frames on  an avi then that would point to a lack of ressources for your main problem with the DVDs
[16:31] <jose> ok, thanks sinbox
[16:36] <sri_barence> 'distros' means different flavors of Linux such as RedHat, SuSe, Debian, or Ubuntu
[16:41] <Adam> how can i get list of available apps in terminal
[16:41] <GreedyB> Anyone know if its possible to get temperatures from external drives?
[16:41] <GreedyB> err wrong window my bad
[16:42] <Ad1984> hi
[16:42] <Ad1984> how do i get list of available apps in xubuntu?
[16:45] <sri_barence> http://www.xubuntu.org/
[16:46] <sri_barence> if that doesn't help, I can answer some specific questions.
[16:50] <sri_barence> If you are running xubuntu, you can get a list of installed apps with System>Add/Remove...
[16:53] <charlie-tca> Ad1984: What do mean "available apps"? There are tens of thousands
[16:53] <sinbox> that will list all apps: installed and available
[16:57] <sri_barence> Add/Remove has filter that allows you to see installed apps only, too.
[16:58] <ball> Well damn. My wireless router just threw a wobbler
[16:58] <ball> I couldn't connect.
[17:22] <tangentcollision> eeepc
[17:23] <tangentcollision> I guess it's time to install
[17:23] <sinbox> don't do it
[17:36] <Guest99870> how do i install xfce wallapaper or themes?
[17:40] <ball> sinbox: don't install Xubuntu?
[17:49] <Guest99870> php isnt working correctly
[18:00] <encbladexp> hello
[18:00] <encbladexp> ping charlie-tca
[18:00] <charlie-tca> hello
[18:01] <encbladexp> i am the Developer of pyNeighborhood
[18:01] <encbladexp> i want to join the pyneighborhood Projekt @ LP
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Nice to meet you. What do I have to do with it?
[18:02] <tangentcollision> woo, installing eeexubuntu
[18:03] <encbladexp> charlie-tca, do you have enough rights to make me Member of https://launchpad.net/pyneighborhood?
[18:03] <sri_barence> Guest99870: do you need help setting wallpaper/
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Let me see what I did there
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I wonder if we could make you maintainer?
[18:05] <encbladexp> i dont know ;-)
[18:05] <charlie-tca> encbladexp: I seem to be able to do anything. I assume I got there by adding pyneighborhood as a project
[18:06] <Guest99870> sri_barence, yes please
[18:06] <charlie-tca> so I could link a bug to it. Do you want to be maintainer?
[18:06] <encbladexp> jepp
[18:06] <sri_barence> Easy.  First right click desktop, and Choose Settings
[18:06] <encbladexp> "Project Owner" « That what i want
[18:07] <encbladexp> By default, whoever registered the project is its owner. However, you can change this to any other person or team in Launchpad by following the Change details link and then selecting the People tab.
[18:07] <encbladexp> i hope that helps
[18:07] <sri_barence> then 'Settings Manager', then 'Desktop'
[18:08] <sri_barence> In 'Desktop Preferences' dialog, find 'Show image'
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Sure does. I never saw this before
[18:09] <tangentcollision> is xubuntu xfce?
[18:09] <tangentcollision> just making sure
[18:11] <erov> yes
[18:12] <tangentcollision> okay, cool
[18:12] <tangentcollision> I'm installing eee-xubuntu
[18:12] <sinbox> encbladexp, so with pyneighborhood I can navigate shares on the network including those on windows machines?
[18:12] <encbladexp> sinbox: yes
[18:13] <sinbox> ok just wanted to make sure :0
[18:13] <tangentcollision> is it possible to get fluxbox on the eee?
[18:13] <tangentcollision> *version of xubuntu
[18:13] <encbladexp> Version 0.4 of pyNeighborhood is very old and doesnt work well under Ubuntu since Hardy
[18:13] <sinbox> should be I would have thought, tangentcollision are you uthe same as tangent in fluxbox?
[18:13] <tangentcollision> nope
[18:13] <encbladexp> Version 0.5 is in Development at the Moment, i hope we get all Bugs fixed the next 2 Weeks
[18:13] <tangentcollision> I am my own
[18:14] <sinbox> OK I was just wondering tangentcollision :)
[18:14] <erov> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox http://www.fluxbuntu.org
[18:14] <tangentcollision> now I'm in fluxbox :D
[18:14] <tangentcollision> thanks erov
[18:15] <sinbox> I'm having some samba problems encbladexp but that is nothing to do with you I guess though
[18:15] <Guest99870> xubuntu is so fast isnt it
[18:15] <erov> yeah.. i like how fast it is.. and still use my KDE apps without the overhead
[18:24] <tangentcollision> god I wish this usb stick was 2.0
[18:26] <zoredache> are you sure it isn't?  Almoast all usb flash drives larger then 128mb are usb 2.0 in my experience
[18:26] <Sinister`> how do you run a program as a differnt user ?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> encbladexp: done
[18:28] <charlie-tca> All I wanted to do was link a bug from launchpad to pyneighborhood bugs
[18:29] <tangentcollision> Sinister`: su
[18:29] <tangentcollision> su <username>
[18:29] <tangentcollision> then run program
[18:29] <dj_bushido> does anybody have an idea for a good image sequencer?
[18:33] <encbladexp> charlie-tca: thank, no problems
[18:33] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Sorry about the wait.
[18:34] <RandyboY> Anyone knows of error 17 in grub? I have a dualboot with XP and now it will not go further the point of grub error 17 whatever that is...
[18:35] <tangentcollision> it's common
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Yes, RandyboY. Usually means you need to reinstall GRUB
[18:35] <tangentcollision> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[18:36] <Sinister`> i need to run a program as root useto be i could change the icon in kde to open as a differnt user how do i do it now ?
[18:36] <RandyboY> charlie-tca, and how do i do that?
[18:37] <tangentcollision> Sinister`: alt+f2 sudo thunar (or whatever the file manager is)
[18:37] <tangentcollision> then go to the icon
[18:37] <tangentcollision> change it
[18:40] <charlie-tca> RandyboY: this is the easiest method I know: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[18:40] <csc_> hello
[18:40] <charlie-tca> go to Recover Grub
[18:40] <charlie-tca> hello
[18:42] <csc_> i installed firestarter. it appears in the menu of xfce4 desktop. i can run it as a normal user from the menu. however when i try to launch it from command line it requires root privilegies. i would like to know how the menu of xfce calls the program without asking me to be root
[18:42] <RandyboY> charlie-tca, ill take a look. Thanks so far :-)
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Does it require your password if you make changes?
[18:43] <charlie-tca> RandyboY: You´re welcome. I´m glad I could help. Good luck
[18:44] <Odd-rationale> csc_: possibly, sudo saves your password for 5 min. so you might have started firestarter within 5 min of using another sudo/gksudo command.... try running "sudo -k" then launch firestarter from the menu... see what happens...
[18:44] <csc_> ok
[18:44] <csc_> let me try
[18:44] <Odd-rationale> i think the menu uses "gksudo firestarter" as the command
[18:44] <XaeroOne> how do I access the hard drive using a live cd via teminal?
[18:45] <zoredache> XaeroOne: run a command like 'sudo sfdisk -l' to list the partitions
[18:46] <csc_> Odd-rationale, you are right
[18:46] <XaeroOne> command not found
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> XaeroOne: first find the device name /dev/<device> from "sudo fdisk -l" (lowercase L). then run "sudo mount /dev/<device> /mnt"
[18:46] <zoredache> then use a command like 'sudo mount /dev/sda1 /somemountpoint'  the somemountpoint should be an empty directory somewhere, and the /dev/snnn should be the partition you want
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> then cd to /mnt
[18:46] <Odd-rationale> csc_: i'm always right... :P
[18:46] <XaeroOne> there is no mnt
[18:47] <XaeroOne> pcoslinux
[18:47]  * charlie-tca nods at Odd-rationale 
[18:47] <XaeroOne> I need to recover grub
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> XaeroOne: well, you can use whatever mount point you wish... create one if it does not... /mnt was just an example...
[18:47] <Odd-rationale> you can sudo mkdir /mnt
[18:47] <XaeroOne> so i have pcoslinux live running and got ssh access to this computer
[18:49] <charlie-tca> XaeroOne: This works good for gub recovery:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[19:03] <Guest99870> how can i add my progs to the panel in xfce?
[19:04] <zoredache> Guest99870: right click and choose 'add new item' select launcher from the list, then fill in the details
[19:05] <Guest99870> where are programs installed to
[19:05] <Guest99870> ?
[19:06] <zoredache> many places, it depends on the program.  Frequently, the primary binary will be in /usr/bin though.
[19:06] <zoredache> can you give me an example?
[19:07] <zoredache> if you installed with apt/synaptic you can get a list of all the files and where they where installed by running a command like 'dpkg -L {packagename}' in a terminal
[19:08] <Guest99870> zoredache, how do i get the propr icon to show too?
[19:09] <zoredache> that is the tricky part...  frequenly icons are stored in /usr/share/pixmaps, but some programs don't come with an icon, or don't store it there
[19:11] <zoredache> if you use the dpkg -L command to get a list of files in a package you can usually look for files with a png or xpm extention one of them may be the programs primary icon
[19:11] <Guest99870> zoredache, great thankyou
[19:20] <Guest99870> where is the terminal file?
[19:21] <Guest99870> zoredache, where can i find the terminal to link it to the panel?
[19:50] <forces> saluton
[19:52] <charlie-tca_> hello, forces
[19:52] <forces> charlie-tca, o7
[19:52] <forces> how can I install xubuntu 8.04.1 in my acer aspire one?
[19:52] <charlie-tca_> Use the alternate cd
[19:53] <forces> what is the best way if you dont have cd-rom
[19:53] <forces> charlie-tca, I dont have cd-rom
[19:53] <charlie-tca_> I knew there was a catch ;)
[19:54] <charlie-tca_> I'm looking it up
[19:57] <charlie-tca_> go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
[20:13] <R1cochet> !video edit
[20:17] <TheSheep> !medibuntu | R1cochet
[20:20] <R1cochet> TheSheep: thank you
[20:22] <beaglesnuf> hello all! xu 8.10, 4.4.3 backport - question on thunar actions
[20:24] <beaglesnuf> trying to run a command through terminal, but nothing is happening: xfce4-terminal -H -e "aria2c --no-conf --show-files"
[20:25] <beaglesnuf> basically run the aria2 command to show bittorrent indexes in a terminal so that i may choose the file to download
[20:26] <beaglesnuf> the thing is that the command appears correct in all ways and replacing xfce4-terminal with xterm results in the same, namely nothing
[20:27] <beaglesnuf> also strange that "md5sum %f" does not work, yet "shred -fuz %f" does...
[20:33] <beaglesnuf> btw aria2 is installed and working properly, just getting thunar actions to run the command...
[20:39] <TheSheep> beaglesnuf: try -x
[20:40] <Guest24752> can i install windows fonts on linux?
[20:41] <TheSheep> Guest24752: yes, just put htem in .fonts in your home directory and run fc-cache
[20:42] <Guest24752> can i configure them so my system uses them?
[20:43] <beaglesnuf> tried -x, no go. first thing i tried when the action did not work, not sure what the prob is
[20:44] <beaglesnuf> guest: yes you can
[20:44] <TheSheep> beaglesnuf: also skip the quotes
[20:45] <TheSheep> Guest24752: actually, just install the msttcorefonts package
[20:45] <Guest24752> use apt-get?
[20:46] <TheSheep> Guest24752: or synaptic
[20:46] <TheSheep> Guest24752: I think you need to add the restricted repository though
[20:46] <TheSheep> !restricted
[20:48] <beaglesnuf> or copy them from a cleanly installed winbox (C:\Windows\Fonts) and paste them into /etc/fonts
[20:52] <beaglesnuf> sheep: with quotes, a terminal session is brought up, nothing happens without. ill go back to my old ways and run aria2 through the terminal, maybe the next thunar build will resolve this. going to file a bug. thanks.
[20:53] <Guest24752> when i run a flash movie its really clciky any ideas>#
[20:53] <beaglesnuf> another question: set panel launcher to unmount a device, works fine no prob: "umount /media/x"
[20:54] <beaglesnuf> but when try: "sync && umount /media/x", no go (regardless of whether the command is run through terminal via the luancher, or not). is this the expected behavior?
[20:55] <beaglesnuf> guest: verify you have latest flash plugin (assuming you are using nonfree): 10.0.15.3
[20:56] <beaglesnuf> guest: close background download tasks + check offending cpu & mem hogs through top (or htop)
[20:58] <Guest24752> when i run a flash movie its really clciky any ideas>#how do i check if i have the latest?
[20:58] <beaglesnuf> btw i set my user to allow for umount w/o sudo via visudo, so "umount /media/x" is a valid, working command
[20:58] <beaglesnuf> which browser?
[20:58] <Guest24752> firefox
[20:59] <Guest24752> is there any other browsers in linux i could use?
[20:59] <beaglesnuf> type "about:plugins" in your address field
[20:59] <TheSheep> !browsers
[20:59] <beaglesnuf> or better yet, visit http://www.adobe.com/products/flash/about/
[21:00] <beaglesnuf> and it should autodetect and return the version you are using
[21:01] <beaglesnuf> type "about: plugins" (without the space between the : and plugins) - darn smiley shortcut!
[21:01] <knome> haha
[21:01] <Guest24752> i got 10.5 r15
[21:02] <beaglesnuf> that is the latest version
[21:02] <Guest24752> i have not installed my ati drivers is that a problem?
[21:03] <beaglesnuf> oh yes it could
[21:04] <beaglesnuf> you could also turn off antialiasing and hinting to improve scroll smoothness
[21:04] <Guest24752> beaglesnuf, when i install the ati driver the whole screen looks no where near as sharp as it is now
[21:05] <beaglesnuf> perhaps the ati driver took over the antialiasing setting
[21:05] <Guest24752> beaglesnuf, do i just have to re set it
[21:05] <Guest24752> once ati is installe
[21:06] <beaglesnuf> perhaps, go to settings and reconfigure your ati server settings
[21:07] <Sooke> Hi
[21:07] <beaglesnuf> hello
[21:08] <Adam> beaglesnuf, yes its gone smudgy again
[21:08] <Guest24324> i wonder where the ati settings ar
[21:08] <beaglesnuf> so can you guys run multiple && chained commands in a launcher (run in terminal, or without)?
[21:09] <beaglesnuf> should be applications > settings
[21:16] <beaglesnuf> anyone have problems with the clipboard? buffers do not retain data if apps from which they were copied from are closed before the paste operation is complete (i.e. text from a file). i needed the clipman plugin to resolve this (at least partially). anyone else notice the same?
[21:22] <TheSheep> beaglesnuf: that's because linux doesn't really have a clipboard
[21:23] <zoredache> beaglesnuf: the xfce4-clipman-plugin seems to make the clipboard a lot nicer to work with
[21:26] <beaglesnuf> it does. i am using xclip to perform some simple clipboard duties. the reason i mention this is that ubuntu handles copy and pasting as one would expect coming from win/mac. likely provided by gnome libs, but it would be nice if xubuntu could  do the same. is there another workaround besides xclip and the clipman plugin?
[21:28] <beaglesnuf> it does as in the clipman plugin makes the clipboard nicer to work with...
[21:30] <beaglesnuf> also regarding: How To Wrap Desktop Icon Text (ala GNOME)? http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=4367.0
[21:30] <forces> what is the best way to install xubuntu in acer aspire one, without cd-rom and another pc
[21:30] <beaglesnuf> i likely did not get an answer as this issue may be more of a xubuntu quirk (i believe i remeber icon text wrapping in vector linux)
[21:30]  * forces only have windows and 2 usb memory (128MB, 2GB)
[21:31] <beaglesnuf> easy answer: find a friend with a cd-rom and another pc
[21:31] <zoredache> extract the mini.iso onto one of your memory sticks, and make sure you have a working internet connection
[21:32] <zoredache> !mini
[21:33] <beaglesnuf> wubi
[21:34] <zoredache> forces: you might also want to read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne
[21:37] <beaglesnuf> thanks guys for the help - tty all laters
[21:40] <forces> zoredache, I did
[21:40]  * forces away..
[21:40] <Adam> would compix wwork with xubuntu?
[21:41] <forces> Adam, yes
[21:41] <forces> if you have 3d aceleration
[21:41] <Guest34818> i do
[21:41] <forces> compiz work in linux
[21:41] <Guest34818> i have installed compiz but dont know where to open it lol
[21:41] <forces> LOL!
[21:41] <forces> Guest34818, compiz --replace
[21:41] <forces> in terminal
[21:42] <Guest34818> what did that do?
[21:55] <slow-motion> hi
[21:56] <arualavi> hello
[23:59] <sri_barence> xubuntu = slow...