[00:40] <puchatek> Hi
[00:44] <batman76> !ops
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[03:02] <ion_> Sorry, wrong channel.
[06:16] <Juntai> Sup
[12:42] <Fri13> Hi, is this correct maintenance schedule for 8.04 LTS
[12:42] <Fri13> 33
[12:42] <Fri13> June 5th
[12:42] <Fri13> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Fri13: those dates look to be tentative, for that schedule
[12:44] <Fri13> Hobbsee: I am trying to find information about point releases, are those really planned so tight or will those be rolled out when needed?
[12:44] <ogra> planned
[12:45] <Fri13> ogra: So the real reason for the 8.04.1 was not actually the OpenSSL bug what I have heard?
[12:45] <ogra> at least the ones without TBC
[12:45] <ogra> the ssl bug was a security fix that was rooled out way earlier on security.u.c
[12:45] <ogra> *rolled
[12:47] <Fri13> ogra: What does that TBC mean?
[12:47] <ogra> unless the world ends or all ubuntu devs die due to a magic online spreading desease the confirmed dates count
[12:47] <ogra> TBC == to be confirmed
[12:48] <Fri13> Ah...
[12:48] <Fri13> ogra: So they ain't so exact yet... untill closer time they will be confirmed?
[12:48] <Fri13> Is it possible that those would'nt even get released?
[12:48] <ogra> right, .2 is confirmed
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ogra: the UDS plague, IRC version?
[12:48] <ogra> the others are likely but not written in stone yet
[12:49] <Hobbsee> could be a worry...
[12:49] <ogra> Hobbsee, heh, yeah, something like that :)
[12:49] <StevenK> Hah
[12:49] <StevenK> I've heard of a text virus, but that's just terrible
[13:06] <DktrKranz> Any sponsor for main willing to review and sponsor bug 293807? Thanks!
[17:53] <LaserJock> does adding users via users-admin really not work on Intrepid? :(
[17:54] <LaserJock> I ran into that a while ago and it still seems to be around
[18:12] <pschorf> is anyone here familiar with update-manager's code?
[19:18] <cjwatson> bryce,tjaalton: I'd really appreciate some help on bug 310857, when you can; it's really getting in the way of me using my laptop
[20:33] <tjaalton> cjwatson: sounds like the same bug that wgrant suffered, downgrading libdrm apparently helped him
[20:33] <tjaalton> +from
[21:01] <plipp> Hi guys & gals. Could I get some pointers on module-building?  I've downloaded the source through 'sudo apt-get build-dep linux-image-$(uname -r); apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r).
[21:02] <plipp> Copied the config from /boot and built with "make modules"
[21:02] <plipp> However, I get versioning issues when running them "no symbol version for struct_module"
[21:03] <ScottK> You'd probably have more luck in #ubuntu-kernel.
[21:04] <plipp> ah
[21:05] <plipp> *tries*
[21:10] <directhex> and unless you have a DAMN good reason (e.g. want to modify the kernel), that's not the way to compile extra modules against your existing kernel
[21:10] <directhex> for that, just use linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[21:11] <plipp> directhex: The reason is to modify an existing module
[21:22] <plipp> crap.. maybe it's "easier" to build the whole kernel..
[21:34] <glatzor> pschorf, yes.
[21:35] <pschorf> bug 151011 | glatzor
[21:36] <pschorf> glatzor, as far as I can tell the code in bug 151011 appears to be fixed in the code, but I can't see a way to fix it
[21:36] <ScottK> Maybe the bug just never got marked fixed?
[21:37] <pschorf> that's what I think
[21:37] <pschorf> I didn't want to mark it, though
[21:38] <ScottK> Make an Intrepid pbuilder, login, and then upgrade to Jaunty.  Test if the problem still happens.
[21:39] <glatzor> thanks for notcing
[21:39] <glatzor> thanks for noticing
[22:13] <JordiGH> Is this official policy? http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.txt
[22:14] <ScottK> JordiGH: Yes.
[22:16] <JordiGH> Ah, ok. It looks almost the same as Debian's. I thought you guys (I work more with Debian) had widely differing policy.
[22:17] <LaserJock> JordiGH: it was based on Debian policy and there aren't very many significant differences, policy-wise
[22:20] <JordiGH> Right, the only difference I see at a glance is that you guys just organise the archive differently.
[22:20] <JordiGH> Nice.
[22:21] <LaserJock> we don't do binary uploads and there a some small licensing differences
[22:23] <nemesis> hi, how can i revert the change to pm-utils?
[22:24] <JordiGH> Thanks for the info.
[22:25] <nemesis> under hardy
[22:29] <nemesis> does pm-utils support ACPI S1 standby or only S3 and S4?
[22:35] <emgent> nhandler: ping
[22:35] <emgent> sebner: ping
[22:35] <nemesis> .
[22:36] <cjwatson> tjaalton: thanks for the reference, I'll chase that up
[22:36] <cjwatson> tjaalton: do you know if he filed it?
[22:36] <tjaalton> cjwatson: I've marked yours as a dupe of the original one. it's reported upstream as well
[22:37] <tjaalton> both pitti and wgrant got bit by it
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[22:39] <tjaalton> cjwatson: marked as a blocker for xorg-server 1.6
[22:39] <emgent> bye howa
[22:40] <cjwatson> tjaalton: ok, so I just downgrade libxrandr2 then? thanks
[22:41] <tjaalton> cjwatson: yes, that should help
[22:42] <cjwatson> hmm, bugger, world depends on that
[22:42]  * cjwatson downgrades bits of world
[22:42] <tjaalton> what bits?
[22:43] <tjaalton> that could get ugly, if xserver depended on it..
[22:43] <cjwatson> compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-main gnome-settings-daemon libgcj9-0-awt libgnome-desktop-2-11 libqtgui4 totem-gstreamer Depends: libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.99.2)
[22:43] <cjwatson> current shlibs I assume
[22:43] <tjaalton> oh
[23:03] <mluser-work> Anyone know if atheros wifi support has been dropped in jaunty?
[23:11] <crimsun> mluser-work: no, that would constitute an enormous regression.
[23:12] <mluser-work> crimsun: Its probably a problem with the 2.6.28 kernel then.. I just rebooted into my 2.6.27 kernel and all works fine now
[23:16] <mluser-work> If anyone is interested, this is the lspci entry for my wifi card which is not working with the 2.6.28-4 kernel, but working  fine with the 2.6.27-9 kernel from intrepid
[23:16] <mluser-work> 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[23:17] <mluser-work> 02:02.0 0200: 168c:0013 (rev 01)
[23:18] <wgrant> cjwatson: I'm running fully updated everything except xserver and libxrandr2 - I just reupgrade libxrandr2 before I install updates and then downgrade it again afterwards; nothing uses the new symbols, so it still works fine.
[23:19] <cjwatson> wgrant: ah, maybe I'll just copy the old library into place then to avoid apt pain
[23:19] <cjwatson> wgrant: why the old xserver?
[23:20] <wgrant> cjwatson: Because I ran into another bug with it.
[23:20] <wgrant> I think it was crashing on some xrandr calls.
[23:21] <wgrant> I think it has been fixed upstream, and I was waiting for the post-alpha2 server-1.6-branch pull to try again.
[23:36] <tjaalton> wgrant: there hasn't been one :)
[23:37] <tjaalton> not much happening upstream either
[23:38] <wgrant> tjaalton: I know, that's why I haven't tried again yet.
[23:38] <wgrant> There are a few changes upstream that we don't have.
[23:38] <wgrant> I might pull them in locally and see if things improve.
[23:41] <tjaalton> good
[23:42] <cjwatson> forcing XRRGetCrtcTransform to think it's talking to a pre-1.3 server seems to help so far ...
[23:42] <cjwatson> so I guess it's the RRGetCrtcTransform request?