| AdamDH | is my install line correct: cd src && $(MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/msp430-binutils/usr ? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| jmarsden|work | AdamDH: define prefix before the install target :) | 00:02 |
| jmarsden|work | cd src && make prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/msp430-binutils/usr install | 00:03 |
| AdamDH | so some where I have made a mess of my VM and installed it somewhere! | 00:03 |
| AdamDH | thanks for all the help jmarsden | 00:03 |
| AdamDH | i will try that | 00:03 |
| jmarsden|work | Possibly, but only if you were running as root...? | 00:03 |
| jmarsden|work | You could test it by hand: mkdir -p /tmp/junk/usr && cd src && make prefix=/tmp/junk/usr install # and check what ends up under /tmp/junk | 00:05 |
| AdamDH | i am running as root probally a bad idea | 00:07 |
| jmarsden|work | Definitely a bad idea. The whole packaging system is designed so you do not need to do that... hence the fakeroot package, for example... | 00:08 |
| AdamDH | YES! got a working package, thanks all for the help, need to tidy up my rules but at least I know now how it all works | 00:11 |
| AdamDH | took some time but I got there | 00:11 |
| AdamDH | probally going to have more questions later as I have a few more packages to make | 00:12 |
| jmarsden|work | Have fun :) | 00:14 |
| AdamDH | one thing, my package has been named as msp430-binutils_msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20081229_amd64.deb instead of msp430-binutils_msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20081229_amd64.deb not sure why as the directory structure is correct | 00:15 |
| AdamDH | i mean the correct name should be msp430-binutils_binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20081229_amd64.de | 00:15 |
| Laney | AdamDH: the bit between the _s comes from your debian/changelog | 00:16 |
| AdamDH | thats in my changelog msp430-binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20081229 | 00:17 |
| Laney | well then | 00:17 |
| Laney | that explains it, no? | 00:18 |
| AdamDH | slightley confused | 00:18 |
| Laney | make the version in the changelog the same as what you want to be between the _s in the resulting deb | 00:18 |
| Laney | ie binutils-2.18-msp430-cvs.0.0.20081229 | 00:19 |
| jmarsden|work | AdamDH: name is PACKAGE_version-from-changelog_ARCH.deb | 00:19 |
| AdamDH | ah right follow looks like I screwed up the versioning then when I packaged it | 00:19 |
| AdamDH | for inclusion into the main tree do my packages need man pages? | 00:24 |
| jmarsden|work | Yes, I'm pretty sure they will. | 00:25 |
| AdamDH | looks like I have to write some as there are non with the project, in fact documentation is lacking, I wrote a php script to get the sources and make the patches etc and tidying things up before packaging and to mirror the project | 00:27 |
| jmarsden|work | No man pages for gcc and binutils??? Surely there are some? | 00:31 |
| AdamDH | its a cross compiler so non that are for the actual msp430 port | 00:35 |
| AdamDH | are for the general gcc just not for the arch the compiler is working with | 00:36 |
| AdamDH | i will see what the AVR project did | 00:36 |
| === Kalidarn- is now known as Kalidarn | ||
| CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/103619/ dpkg-buildpackage ... line 164: debian/rules: Permission denied | 04:57 |
| Pici | chmod +x debian/rules | 05:00 |
| jmarsden | CarlFK: chmod 775 debian/rules | 05:00 |
| CarlFK | cool. thanks | 05:01 |
| secraberries | kinda quiet | 05:10 |
| StevenK | 775!? 755 | 05:12 |
| secraberries | sure | 05:13 |
| NCommander | hey StevenK | 05:21 |
| CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/103621/ Setting up libpoppler-glib3 (0.8.7-1.1) .... libpoppler-glib-dev depends on libpoppler-dev (= 0.8.7-1.1); however: Version of libpoppler-dev on system is 0.8.7-1. | 05:33 |
| CarlFK | lies! | 05:33 |
| CarlFK | oh wait..glib3... dev.. | 05:33 |
| CarlFK | never mind. all is well | 05:34 |
| === Tweenaks is now known as Treenaks | ||
| === fabo_ is now known as fabo | ||
| === Guest89320 is now known as Zic | ||
| hyperair | revu, anyone? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite | 08:29 |
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 | ||
| DktrKranz | has anybody ever seen something similar to this? | 09:53 |
| DktrKranz | /usr/include/bits/stdio2.h: In function 'int sprintf(char*, const char*, ...)': | 09:53 |
| DktrKranz | /usr/include/bits/stdio2.h:35: error: '__builtin_va_arg_pack' was not declared in this scope | 09:53 |
| * StevenK kicks ffmpeg-debian until bits fall off. | 10:25 | |
| iulian | DktrKranz: See bug #293807. | 10:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 293807 in gccxml "gccxml regression: fails to parse stdio.h" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293807 | 10:25 |
| RAOF | So, not very hard, then. | 10:25 |
| StevenK | Who's bright idea was it to move all of the header files around, anyway? | 10:25 |
| * StevenK grins at RAOF, and kicks ffmpeg-debian until it implodes | 10:26 | |
| DktrKranz | iulian, yep... I've seen it, and it's seems it's already fixed upstream | 10:26 |
| iulian | DktrKranz: Was that the package you were working on? | 10:27 |
| RAOF | Mmmm, Mocha Chill. The drink no-one seems interested in shipping out east. | 10:27 |
| DktrKranz | iulian, it was insighttoolkit | 10:27 |
| DktrKranz | it FTBFS that way | 10:27 |
| * iulian takes a peek at it. | 10:27 | |
| StevenK | RAOF: Hmmm? | 10:27 |
| StevenK | Hmmm. New wine. | 10:28 |
| RAOF | StevenK: Wests Mocha Chill, or some such. It was briefly stocked in NSW supermarkets last year, but isn't any more. | 10:29 |
| * hyperair wonders if there's anybody free enough to review a package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite | 10:30 | |
| StevenK | RAOF: Perhaps it got branded with the same disdain that West Coast gets and was ignored ... | 10:31 |
| StevenK | ---with-ffmpeg-includes=/usr/include/ffmpeg | 10:32 |
| StevenK | +--with-ffmpeg-includes=/usr/include/libavcodec\ -I/usr/include/libavformat | 10:32 |
| * StevenK sighs at siretart and ffmpeg-debian | 10:32 | |
| StevenK | That so shouldn't work | 10:32 |
| StevenK | VideoEffectClip.H:31: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef struct gavl_video_frame_s gavl_video_frame_t' | 10:33 |
| StevenK | /usr/include/gavl/gavl.h:1869: error: 'gavl_video_frame_t' has a previous declaration as 'typedef struct gavl_video_frame_t gavl_video_frame_t' | 10:33 |
| * StevenK whimpers pathetically | 10:34 | |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| StevenK | Haha | 11:49 |
| quentusrex | How is it possible to have a package in my repo, and have a numbered release such as 1.0.2 | 12:01 |
| quentusrex | Then also have a package 1.0.2-svn2340??? | 12:01 |
| quentusrex | and if someone wants to run trunk, then they can, but otherwise they can only run the standard release??? | 12:01 |
| Laney | package and package-snapshog | 12:02 |
| Laney | t* | 12:02 |
| quentusrex | so it'd be handled like two different packages? | 12:03 |
| quentusrex | that works. | 12:03 |
| directhex | and your version number should be something like 1.0.2+svn2340-1 if it's based on 1.0.2 with addons, or 1.0.3~svn2340-1 if it's based on an as-yet unreleased 1.0.3 | 12:04 |
| quentusrex | awesome. thanks. | 12:06 |
| === Igorots is now known as Igorot | ||
| RAOF | Answer: experimental's grub2 appears to be missing the --fs-uuid option to search, thus breaking the config. Score! | 12:16 |
| StevenK | Haha | 12:17 |
| RAOF | At least it's got tab-autocompletion and a bash-like shell. | 12:18 |
| RAOF | Now, if it only had a dvorak keymap... | 12:18 |
| laga | well, grub1 also has tab completion and a shell | 12:19 |
| RAOF | That wasn't meant to be a comparison; just that it's infinitely easier to fix because it *does* have those features than if it didn't. | 12:20 |
| laga | yeah. | 12:20 |
| NCommander | RAOF, your a dvoark user? | 12:25 |
| laga | epic. | 12:25 |
| StevenK | I'd learn dvorak, but I'm scared my wrists would break since they're use the brain-damage of qwerty | 12:26 |
| StevenK | s/use/used to/ | 12:26 |
| NCommander | StevenK, I used to use dvorak, but then I found that by being incompable with the rest of the world sucked | 12:29 |
| NCommander | although I think in the end my WPM went up | 12:29 |
| StevenK | Neat way to make sure no one touches your computer | 12:29 |
| StevenK | Hard to ssh into other machines using other peoples keyboards, then | 12:30 |
| NCommander | StevenK, yeah, thats why I never changed the caps back to QWERTY after the experiment | 12:30 |
| * NCommander is too paranoid on breaking this laptops caps to try and rearrange them though ... | 12:30 | |
| NCommander | StevenK, so how was your holiday BTW? | 12:32 |
| StevenK | Still going | 12:32 |
| quentusrex | I accidentally forgot to include a binary file in the orig, how can I update the orig and upload it to launchpad? or delete the orig that's in launchpad? | 12:37 |
| james_w | StevenK: did you get anywhere with openmovieeditor? | 12:38 |
| quentusrex | I'm trying to execute: debuild -S -sd to rebuild the package with the binary file I forgot. but it's giving me the error: dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to freeswitch-1.0.2/libs/libshout-2.2.2.tar.gz: binary file contents changed | 12:38 |
| * StevenK checks | 12:39 | |
| quentusrex | And I can't change the orig and upload it because launch pad says it already has an orig. | 12:39 |
| StevenK | james_w: Yeah. Now it wants img_convert from ffmpeg, but that isn't exported, since it's the old API, and disabled when you enable swscaler. | 12:40 |
| james_w | you need to change the upstream version number | 12:40 |
| james_w | StevenK: add libswscale-dev to Build-Depends | 12:40 |
| james_w | StevenK: see the Debian bug report | 12:40 |
| StevenK | Hmm | 12:40 |
| quentusrex | james_w: from freeswitch-1.0.2-1ubuntu2 to??? | 12:41 |
| * StevenK tries that | 12:41 | |
| james_w | StevenK: however, it uses another deprecated ffmpeg function which has been removed in the version we have. Upstream has completely rewritten the code. | 12:41 |
| * StevenK tries to not lose control and scream like a banshee | 12:42 | |
| Hobbsee | just pull it from the archive... | 12:42 |
| StevenK | I'm seriously tempted to remove ffmpeg-debian and all of it's rdepends | 12:42 |
| StevenK | AudioFileFfmpeg.cxx:135: error: 'avcodec_decode_audio' was not declared in this scope | 12:45 |
| StevenK | james_w: I see that. | 12:45 |
| quentusrex | james_w: from freeswitch-1.0.2-1ubuntu2 to??? | 12:45 |
| james_w | StevenK: that's the one | 12:46 |
| james_w | quentusrex: freeswitch-1.0.2.0.repack-1ubuntu2 or something | 12:46 |
| quentusrex | should I be using debuild -S -sa or debuild -S -sd? | 12:48 |
| Hobbsee | quentusrex: -sa, as you want to be uploading the orig tarball to launchpad | 12:49 |
| quentusrex | ok | 12:49 |
| StevenK | FWIW, tarball in tarball is just sickening | 12:49 |
| quentusrex | the software either needs the tarball in the libs/ folder or it will use svn to get it during build. | 12:50 |
| quentusrex | but launchpad doesnt' allow internet access during build. | 12:50 |
| * StevenK retches | 12:50 | |
| quentusrex | so, I have to manually include them... so that they'll build... | 12:50 |
| quentusrex | yeah, I hate it. but the software works REALLY well and builds well too | 12:51 |
| quentusrex | but it's hard to automatically package. | 12:51 |
| james_w | huats: hey 4k, how are you? | 12:51 |
| quentusrex | how do I cancel a launchpad build? It's hung.... | 12:53 |
| maxb | It'll time out eventually | 12:53 |
| quentusrex | maxb: that'll take too long and take up too much resources... | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | you can't. | 12:53 |
| quentusrex | :( | 12:53 |
| quentusrex | it's been an hour | 12:54 |
| quentusrex | https://launchpad.net/+builds/hassium | 12:54 |
| StevenK | It will time out after 150 minutes | 12:54 |
| quentusrex | :( | 12:54 |
| quentusrex | but I need to trial and error to figure this out... | 12:54 |
| StevenK | Wait, it gets tarballs from SVN? | 12:55 |
| quentusrex | StevenK: yes... | 12:55 |
| StevenK | Oh man, it gets even more disgusting | 12:55 |
| StevenK | Right, I'm not sure that will die on it's own | 12:55 |
| quentusrex | right... | 12:56 |
| quentusrex | I dont' think it will... | 12:56 |
| quentusrex | it'll keep trying the svn get. | 12:56 |
| quentusrex | :( | 12:56 |
| maxb | The wget will stop after 20 tries | 12:56 |
| StevenK | quentusrex: If you're worried, join #canonical-sysadmin, and ask for it to be killed. But it is the 30th of December ... | 12:56 |
| maxb | Hm, why's it downloading libshout instead of using the Ubuntu packaged one? Is the upstream buildsystem hardwired to be unable to use installed deps? (If so, how hideous :-( ) | 13:02 |
| huats | hey james_w ! | 13:10 |
| huats | how are you my friend ? | 13:10 |
| james_w | huats: I am good thanks, how are you? | 13:15 |
| huats | great too ! | 13:16 |
| huats | james_w: on holidays ? | 13:16 |
| james_w | yup. you? | 13:17 |
| huats | nope | 13:17 |
| james_w | still not a MOTU I see :-) | 13:17 |
| huats | but I am working from home today... | 13:17 |
| huats | not yet... | 13:17 |
| huats | I am just returning from the US (and the trip I did after the UDS..) | 13:17 |
| james_w | ah, how was that? | 13:18 |
| RainCT | Can someone here tell me how to use the touchpad? XDD Sometimes it rotates the desktop cube, but I don't know how I've done it XD | 13:23 |
| directhex | BUILD SUCCEEDED | 13:23 |
| directhex | Total time: 237.3 seconds. | 13:23 |
| directhex | ikvm, kiddies! | 13:24 |
| Laney | directhex: all ready? | 13:24 |
| directhex | Laney, not yet | 13:25 |
| Laney | Also, helo from the East Coast Mainline! | 13:25 |
| directhex | Laney, but i've got a build process going where it rebuilds the bootstrap binaries then rebuilds against those | 13:25 |
| * Laney choo choos | 13:25 | |
| directhex | signed, no less! | 13:25 |
| sebner | directhex: NBS shows libgnome2.0-cil and such stuff. Do you know if all the applications need a rebuild? | 13:26 |
| directhex | sebner, no, no app needs rebuilding if it's been transitioned | 13:27 |
| sebner | directhex: I see, thx :) | 13:27 |
| directhex | sebner, that was the idea ;) | 13:28 |
| sebner | directhex: ^^, well, I just checked the NBS page and saw that so I wos confused =) | 13:28 |
| StevenK | RAOF: More grub2 testing? | 13:40 |
| RAOF | Ding. | 13:41 |
| ajmitch | how I detest when proprietary drivers go wrong | 13:47 |
| Hobbsee | at 3am? | 13:48 |
| ajmitch | sure, couldn't sleep, decided to upgrade some stuff | 13:48 |
| ajmitch | big mistake | 13:48 |
| StevenK | Haha | 13:49 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: "U looz" | 13:49 |
| ajmitch | just installing the nvidia 180.11 driver should be painless, right? | 13:49 |
| StevenK | What Could Possibly Go Wrong | 13:49 |
| Hobbsee | no | 13:49 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: "No devices detected", of course | 13:50 |
| ajmitch | I should probably just try & reboot instead of relying on rmmod/modprobe | 13:51 |
| === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| pschorf | can anyone help me get started packaging? | 14:09 |
| Laney | pschorf: See the topic, and ask if you have any specific questions | 14:12 |
| Laney | (start with a bitesize bug or two) | 14:13 |
| pschorf | Laney, is there a better way than just scanning bugs to find one? | 14:14 |
| Laney | pschorf: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.ha ... | 14:18 |
| slytherin | any archive admin around who can process a sync bug? | 14:18 |
| Laney | ... s_cve.used=&field.tag=bitesize&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used= is a list of bugs that people have determined to be suitable for new contributors to work on | 14:18 |
| Laney | .. | 14:18 |
| Laney | http://is.gd/ebsa try that link | 14:19 |
| === warp10_ is now known as warp10 | ||
| pschorf | after I've written a patch and added it to debian/patches, does it matter which method I use to repackage the binary? | 14:41 |
| persia | pschorf, Not really, although pbuilder and sbuild are recommended to convert source packages to binary packages. | 14:41 |
| pschorf | persia, and to apply the patch, i just append it to series, right? | 14:42 |
| maxb | I'd say it depends on the scenario. Is there any point in using pbuilder/sbuild when developing a package? Their use is mainly checking that it works in a clean environment, no? | 14:43 |
| huats | pschorf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekedgy/PatchPackaging | 14:44 |
| persia | pschorf, Yes, add it to series, and then construct the source package with something like `debuild -S -us -uc` | 14:44 |
| huats | a session where pitti explains the various patches system... | 14:44 |
| huats | it might help.. | 14:44 |
| pschorf | thanks | 14:44 |
| pschorf | boy, setting up pbuild takes some time... | 14:53 |
| StevenK | Linking program ==> 'blender' | 14:58 |
| StevenK | sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution | 14:58 |
| StevenK | ARGH | 14:58 |
| slytherin | any archive admins around to process a sync bug? | 14:59 |
| pschorf | which environment variable do you change so debsign knows the proper email address? | 15:01 |
| StevenK | slytherin: Yes, but I'd rather not break my rule | 15:01 |
| slytherin | StevenK: what rule? | 15:01 |
| StevenK | "Thou shalt not do archive admin after midnight" | 15:01 |
| StevenK | slytherin: If it's from unstable and easy, I'll do it | 15:02 |
| slytherin | StevenK: it is from unstable, easy, and important because it will unblock jboss sync. | 15:03 |
| StevenK | slytherin: Link me the bug | 15:03 |
| StevenK | While I ponder hot, flaming and enjoyable death for the sadistic guy that wrote scons | 15:03 |
| joaopinto | pschorf, DEBEMAIL | 15:05 |
| slytherin | StevenK: bug #311564 | 15:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 311564 in libjboss-web-services-java "Please sync libjboss-web-services-java 0.0+svn5660+dak2-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/311564 | 15:05 |
| StevenK | slytherin: Er, surely that will be pulled in via the autosyncer? | 15:06 |
| slytherin | StevenK: The package was fixed in Debian just after DIF. | 15:07 |
| StevenK | Tasty. | 15:07 |
| StevenK | libjboss-web-services-java | 0.0+svn5660+dak1-1 | jaunty/multiverse | source | 15:07 |
| StevenK | libjboss-web-services-java | 0.0+svn5660+dak1-1 | jaunty/universe | all | 15:07 |
| slytherin | StevenK: and that is the reason I logged the bug. | 15:08 |
| slytherin | StevenK: well, there is another bug for moving all jboss related packages to universe. | 15:08 |
| StevenK | slytherin: Right, then point me at that bug, and I'll fix the source tomorrow | 15:09 |
| persia | That's dangerous to do after midnight. Soyuz gets fussy if not tickled just right for component moves. | 15:09 |
| StevenK | "and I'll fix the source tomorrow" | 15:09 |
| StevenK | IE, after I sleep | 15:09 |
| slytherin | StevenK: bug #309435 | 15:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 309435 in libjboss-xml-binding-java "Please move jboss related packages to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309435 | 15:10 |
| pschorf | pbuilder would yell at me if there were any errors, correct | 15:10 |
| persia | RIght. Just providing justification :) | 15:10 |
| StevenK | slytherin: Done | 15:11 |
| StevenK | 4 dupes? | 15:11 |
| StevenK | Odd | 15:11 |
| slytherin | StevenK: thanks to broken requestsync in last week. | 15:12 |
| StevenK | Fun | 15:12 |
| slytherin | StevenK: thanks for sync. I will evaluate jboss sync tomorrow and log another bug. | 15:12 |
| StevenK | slytherin: No problem. Prod me with the bug for multiverse -> universe ? | 15:13 |
| StevenK | Oh, you have | 15:13 |
| * StevenK goes back to hiding under his rock | 15:13 | |
| StevenK | That one requires a bunch of checking | 15:14 |
| pschorf | After I add a debdiff to a bug report and subscribe the sponsors, I just wait? | 15:16 |
| persia | pschorf, Pretty much. | 15:17 |
| ScottK | pschorf: No. Go fix something else while you wait .... Don't just wait. | 15:30 |
| DktrKranz | ScottK, time to review a fix for a main package? | 15:38 |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: Not really. Just about to head off and do some stuff. | 15:38 |
| DktrKranz | no problem, thanks | 15:39 |
| jpds | nhandler: When you add new stuff to u-d-t, you have to add the script to setup.py otherwise it won't get installed. | 15:53 |
| nhandler | jpds: Ok, I didn't know that. | 15:54 |
| nhandler | I'll push a new revision to fix it | 15:54 |
| jpds | nhandler: I just did and uploaded it to the archives. | 15:55 |
| nhandler | Ok, thanks a lot jpds ! | 15:55 |
| jpds | nhandler: No problem, thank you for the great script. | 15:55 |
| jpds | OK; Looks like my 0.50.1 upload of u-d-t has been eaten. | 15:59 |
| jpds | Oh, wait, there it is. | 16:00 |
| Adri2000 | hmm, and 0.49 was never uploaded | 16:08 |
| nhandler | Adri2000: I just noticed that too ;) | 16:09 |
| jpds | Adri2000: Well nevermind. | 16:10 |
| Adri2000 | it was probably confusing that my changelog entry had "jaunty" while it was not uploaded. when using git, tags can help to know if a version was uploaded or not; how are we supposed to do with bzr? use "UNRELEASED" until it's uploaded? | 16:13 |
| jpds | Yes, when you upload, make a new changelog entry with UNRELEASED and push. | 16:14 |
| persia | Using "UNRELEASED" is a common practice. | 16:15 |
| persia | Then, have a special commit when you set a target and publish. | 16:15 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 16:18 |
| huats | pschorf: have you cancel your mail to the mentoring mailing list ? | 16:24 |
| huats | (am I asking that since I am taking care of it..) | 16:25 |
| pschorf | huats, yes | 16:27 |
| pschorf | i wasn't sure if i needed to join the list first... | 16:27 |
| pschorf | ijust reposted it | 16:27 |
| huats | pschorf: you cannot join the list | 16:27 |
| huats | :) | 16:27 |
| pschorf | that's what i realized :P | 16:27 |
| huats | the list is just a way of communication between the mentoring reception team :) | 16:28 |
| huats | pschorf: so the next step is to found a good mentor for you | 16:28 |
| huats | it would help if you tell us (by an email) which aspect you want to work on (desktop/server/ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/whatever). | 16:29 |
| huats | and then we'll contact you soon with a good match :) | 16:29 |
| pschorf | should I send another email to the main list? | 16:30 |
| huats | it might be good yes.. | 16:31 |
| huats | with that informations... | 16:32 |
| pschorf | alright, I've sent another through | 16:35 |
| * Laney molests huats | 16:37 | |
| Laney | good work on bakery :D! | 16:37 |
| huats | thanks Laney | 16:37 |
| Laney | (I don't think I said this already...) | 16:37 |
| huats | hope that help | 16:37 |
| Laney | well | 16:37 |
| huats | thanks pschorf | 16:37 |
| Laney | glom crashes whenever I make a table | 16:37 |
| Laney | but that's not your fault :( | 16:37 |
| huats | oh ! | 16:37 |
| huats | hum | 16:37 |
| huats | you should contact murray the author... | 16:38 |
| Laney | yeah I will do | 16:38 |
| Laney | just trying a test build from source | 16:38 |
| huats | ok | 16:38 |
| huats | Laney: if you need any help just let me know.. | 16:38 |
| Laney | thanks muchly | 16:38 |
| Laney | actually | 16:39 |
| Laney | fancy filing a bug on the BTS for bakery 2.6? | 16:39 |
| huats | why not | 16:39 |
| Laney | :> | 16:39 |
| Laney | my goal is glom in Debian | 16:39 |
| huats | but I really think that contacting murray about the pb is a better ay to deal with it | 16:40 |
| huats | Laney: I know that Np237 is interested on tha | 16:40 |
| huats | t | 16:40 |
| huats | you should talk with him... | 16:40 |
| Laney | huats: Who's that? | 16:40 |
| huats | one of the main gnome guy for debian | 16:41 |
| Laney | oh | 16:41 |
| Laney | do they have a channel? | 16:41 |
| huats | gnome-debian on gimpnet | 16:41 |
| Laney | heh | 16:41 |
| Laney | it's joss | 16:41 |
| Laney | he's been controversial lately | 16:42 |
| huats | he is joss indeed | 16:42 |
| Laney | well pkg-gnome seems to maintain bakery so I guess we want to coordinate with them | 16:42 |
| Laney | for bakery and glom | 16:42 |
| huats | indeed that is the aim | 16:44 |
| Laney | rock | 16:46 |
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| pschorf | huats, do you know how long the mentoring queue is? | 17:04 |
| ScottK-desktop | pschorf: There's no need to wait for a formal mentor to be assigned. You can always ask questions in the channel and usually someone will be around to answer. | 17:13 |
| pschorf | could someone help me take a look at bug #151011? I'm having trouble finding where in the code the changes need to occur. | 17:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 151011 in update-manager-core "do-release-upgrade does not provide guidance after view details" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151011 | 17:25 |
| jpds | imbrandon: Hey! :) | 17:26 |
| ScottK-desktop | pschorf: mvo (you can usually find him on #ubuntu-devel) does substantially all the work on that package. You probably ought to talk to him. | 17:35 |
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| jcastro | might be interesting to folks: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081230-why-ubuntu-users-should-care-about-debian.html | 17:42 |
| ScottK | jcastro: Thanks for pointing that out. Personally I'm pumped that they linked to the Python wiki page I wrote. | 17:55 |
| jcastro | heh, neat | 18:00 |
| imbrandon | jpds: hello | 18:06 |
| imbrandon | heya jcastro | 18:07 |
| jcastro | hi brandon, long time no see | 18:07 |
| imbrandon | heh yea, irc eats alot of time :) | 18:07 |
| imbrandon | been preparing for the move accross the pond :) | 18:08 |
| jcastro | oh? | 18:08 |
| imbrandon | work is opening a new office in london | 18:08 |
| jpds | jcastro: Very interesting article. | 18:08 |
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| imbrandon | and i get to spend the next 2 years there getting it going :) | 18:08 |
| jcastro | imbrandon: that sounds like fun | 18:08 |
| jpds | imbrandon: Which part of London? | 18:09 |
| imbrandon | jpds: not sure, i can get the addy here in a sec | 18:09 |
| imbrandon | jcastro: yea, considering the main client we opened that office for ( Turner/Cartoon Network ) it should be a blast | 18:09 |
| bluefoxicy | 18270 bluefox 20 0 1275m 521m 25m S 37 14.0 11:45.49 rhythmbox | 18:09 |
| bluefoxicy | 11594 bluefox 20 0 923m 471m 30m R 16 12.7 3173:27 firefox | 18:09 |
| imbrandon | jpds: The Griffin Building | 18:10 |
| imbrandon | 83 Clerkenwell Road | 18:10 |
| imbrandon | London | 18:10 |
| imbrandon | EC1R 5AR | 18:10 |
| ScottK-desktop | imbrandon: This year's trip to KC ended up being very short. We got delayed by freezing rain/ice on the way there, so there was no time to get together. | 18:11 |
| ScottK-desktop | Sorry I missed it. | 18:11 |
| jpds | imbrandon: You do know it's on the logs now? :( | 18:11 |
| imbrandon | ScottK-desktop: np :) | 18:11 |
| imbrandon | jpds: i am missing your point .... i think | 18:11 |
| bluefoxicy | rhythmbox uses a lot of RAM o.o | 18:11 |
| imbrandon | if you mean that irc is logged , yes i know :P | 18:12 |
| jpds | imbrandon: Oh, in Soho, nice. | 18:12 |
| imbrandon | :P | 18:13 |
| bluefoxicy | 13025 bluefox 20 0 659m 65m 23m S 0 1.8 0:05.03 rhythmbox | 18:13 |
| imbrandon | ScottK-desktop: just leaves more BBQ for me :) | 18:13 |
| bluefoxicy | this is a just-started rhythmbox | 18:13 |
| bluefoxicy | what? | 18:26 |
| bluefoxicy | ribs? | 18:26 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | anyone available to help with a SRU? | 18:32 |
| Adri2000 | rhpot1991_laptop: ask | 18:40 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | I am working on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/302104 | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 302104 in mythexport "Nominate for release" [Low,Confirmed] | 18:44 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | was rejected before, I believe cause I didn't provide enough information, I'd like to know if anything else is needed | 18:45 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | it also needs an ack from a motu I believe | 18:45 |
| maxb | rhpot1991_laptop: I'm not a MOTU, but the description of how SRUs work is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, which should let you understand whether your bug is adequate. | 19:04 |
| maxb | I would suggest at the very least giving it a more descriptive summary line | 19:05 |
| maxb | There is no justification in the bug for *why* this package should be SRUed. You definitely need to add that | 19:06 |
| rhpot1991_laptop | one of the comments says why, the package is useless as is | 19:09 |
| hyperair | could someone review my package please? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=codelite | 19:18 |
| pschorf | If you forget to change a bug's status until after subscribing sponsors, does it make a difference? | 19:25 |
| Laney | no | 19:25 |
| pschorf | also, if we submit a debdiff, does it automatically get pushed to an attached debian bug, or do we have to do it ourselves? | 19:28 |
| rawler | hey people.. | 19:35 |
| jpds | Hey rawler. | 19:35 |
| rawler | saw Debian Import Freeze was 25th of december.. is it the same deadline for packages from revu? | 19:35 |
| pschorf | does anyone have time to look at a debdiff I put up earlier? | 19:39 |
| Laney | rawler: No, that's feature freeze time | 19:39 |
| Laney | pschorf: Which bug? | 19:39 |
| pschorf | Laney bug 245898 | 19:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 245898 in isns "isns fails to config with dpkg" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/245898 | 19:39 |
| rawler | Laney: cool.. I have a package I would like reviewed and sponsored.. also, upstream has just released a new minor-version.. I wonder if it's worth uploading the new version packaged as well.. :S | 19:42 |
| Laney | pschorf: Looks good, except you need to target to Jaunty and not intrepid | 19:42 |
| Laney | I trust you tested that it worked? | 19:42 |
| Laney | i.e. the old package exhibits the bug and the new one doesn't | 19:42 |
| pschorf | erm, no | 19:43 |
| pschorf | :( | 19:43 |
| pschorf | hang on | 19:43 |
| Laney | heh | 19:43 |
| Laney | also, was there already a patch system implemented? | 19:43 |
| pschorf | i didn't think so | 19:43 |
| pschorf | i just manually made the patch | 19:44 |
| Adri2000 | pschorf: in the changelog it should be LP: instead of Closes:, and modifying something inside debian/ shouldn't be done through a patch system | 19:44 |
| Laney | oh, I missed the debian/ | 19:44 |
| Laney | yeah, just edit that directly | 19:44 |
| pschorf | Ok. | 19:44 |
| jjlee | There are a couple of bugs in tvtime I fixed on my local box. Seems it's unmaintained upstream. I've browsed around the MOTU wiki a bit, but didn't find all the answers yet | 20:02 |
| jjlee | Are bugs fixed in Debian first, then ubuntu? | 20:02 |
| ScottK | Ideally yes. | 20:02 |
| jjlee | Is there a Debian / ubuntu VC repository somewhere for tvtime? | 20:03 |
| ScottK | Sometimes we fix it here and then send the patch to Debian. | 20:03 |
| jjlee | ok | 20:03 |
| pschorf | Laney, Adri2000: I think I've fixed your concerns, can you look at the updated one at http://www.pastebucket.net/0cr1gf | 20:03 |
| jjlee | I'm guessing there's just the tarballs, no VC (CVS, SVN / whatever)? | 20:03 |
| Laney | pschorf: Don't change s-v | 20:03 |
| jjlee | other than the original tvtime CVS on SF, that is | 20:04 |
| Laney | pschorf: Target to jaunty | 20:04 |
| jjlee | but it's not obvious that I haven't just missed some repo somewhere | 20:04 |
| pschorf | Laney: do I need to have a jaunty environment set up to do that? | 20:04 |
| jjlee | pschorf: that was my next question, too :-) | 20:04 |
| Laney | pschorf: You should at least have a jaunty pbuilder/sbuild environment | 20:05 |
| Amaranth | Although you can't test what you're building without running jaunty somewhere | 20:05 |
| pschorf | ok | 20:05 |
| Laney | Amaranth: You can test a lot of things by logging into a chroot | 20:05 |
| pschorf | what is sbuild? I don't think I've used it yet | 20:05 |
| Amaranth | But even if you're running jaunty you should still use pbuilder to build the package | 20:05 |
| Laney | pschorf: It does the same job as pbuilder | 20:06 |
| tectroc | Hello, i'm new at packaging software/contributing, and wondering if there's a way to search for packages in launchpad, that needed to be updated. | 20:06 |
| Laney | tectroc: There's an "update" tag, and also http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_updated.html | 20:06 |
| Laney | if "new upstream" is what you mean by update | 20:06 |
| pschorf | Laney, thanks. To target jaunty, is it sufficient to set up the pbuilder environment and build inside? | 20:07 |
| Laney | pschorf: Change it in the changelog, build it on Jaunty, test it on Jaunty | 20:07 |
| jjlee | I guess it depends on the bug really | 20:08 |
| jjlee | it'd be cheeky to not test an ALSA-related bug on jaunty proper | 20:08 |
| tectroc | ok thanks | 20:08 |
| jjlee | but another bug I was hoping to fix in tvtime is just about config files, seems a chroot would be enough | 20:08 |
| pschorf | to test, all I need to do is install the package | 20:09 |
| jjlee | is that a fair description of ubuntu policy? | 20:09 |
| pschorf | is there a way I can do that in a jaunty environment without a full install? | 20:09 |
| Laney | pschorf: Install old package, make bug happen, install new package, check bug is gone | 20:09 |
| Laney | jjlee: There's no policy on this really | 20:09 |
| pschorf | Laney, is there a way to do that in pbuilder or something? | 20:09 |
| ScottK | Depending on where we are in the release cycle people are generally more or less strict about testing. | 20:10 |
| Laney | pschorf: You can log into a pbuilder with pbuilder --login | 20:10 |
| jjlee | Laney: so it's considered OK to test bugs in chroot or old system where reasonable? | 20:10 |
| Laney | jjlee: Use your judgement really | 20:10 |
| jjlee | right, thanks | 20:10 |
| Laney | pschorf: You probably want --bindmounts to make your built .deb available to the chroot too | 20:11 |
| jjlee | re my version control question again: is there a way to reliably find all VC repositories for a given package? | 20:11 |
| jjlee | all "official" ones, that is | 20:11 |
| Laney | jjlee: Should be in debian/control | 20:11 |
| Laney | you mean for the packaging, not for upstream? | 20:11 |
| pschorf | Laney, what would I pass to pbuilder create to get a jaunty environment? | 20:13 |
| Laney | pschorf: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 20:13 |
| Laney | that'll be more helpful for you | 20:13 |
| jjlee | Laney: mostly packaging, but both, really | 20:16 |
| Laney | jjlee: Well if the packaging is in VCS then it should be in debian/control | 20:17 |
| Laney | for upstream you generally have to look at their homepage | 20:17 |
| jjlee | tvtime has no Vcs-* fields, so I guess it's safe to assume there are none | 20:17 |
| Laney | right | 20:17 |
| jjlee | thanks | 20:17 |
| pschorf | Laney, i'm still not quite clear on how to build the package and then install it...I can build it successfully with pbuilder build, but it disappears by the time i login | 20:37 |
| Laney | pschorf: You have to login with --bindmounts /path/to/result | 20:38 |
| Laney | then install it again | 20:38 |
| pschorf | the result is in /var/cache, correct? | 20:38 |
| Laney | I think the default is /var/cache/pbuilder/result | 20:39 |
| jjlee | One of the tvtime bugs I have in mind is the lack of ALSA support. There's been a patch around for a long time (which does not remove OSS support). | 20:42 |
| jjlee | Would that be suitable for jaunty? | 20:42 |
| jjlee | before feature-freeze, so I suppose yes? | 20:44 |
| jjlee | Presumably it's just a question of whether anybody reviews and applies the patch...? | 20:44 |
| jjlee | (after I file a bug) | 20:45 |
| pschorf | Laney, everything tests out properly in pbuilder | 20:45 |
| pschorf | should I add a new comment with the updated debdiff? | 20:45 |
| jjlee | Hmm, according to this message, *everything* is going to be in bzr for jaunty: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-September/000481.html | 20:47 |
| jjlee | has that happened yet? | 20:47 |
| emet | jjlee: I think so | 20:47 |
| jjlee | is there a wiki page or something that discusses the current state of these VC etc. developments in jaunty? | 20:48 |
| emet | no idea :( | 20:48 |
| jjlee | the ones he discusses in second-to-last paragraph in that message? | 20:48 |
| emet | there is also a channel #bzr it is possible that they know more | 20:48 |
| Laney | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/ | 20:49 |
| jjlee | the bzr people are heavily involved in ubuntu? | 20:49 |
| Laney | pschorf: Write that on the bug with the new debdiff | 20:49 |
| emet | bzr I am pretty sure is sponsored by the same organization which sponsors Ubuntu | 20:49 |
| jjlee | I see | 20:51 |
| pschorf | Laney, is this all I need to do for the patch? | 20:51 |
| emet | jjlee: the wiki page Laney posted looked pretty interesting | 20:52 |
| Laney | pschorf: Right, the sponsors are already subscribed and they'll get to it in time | 20:52 |
| jjlee | yeah, thanks Laney, I'm reading through the linked-to stuff now | 20:52 |
| pschorf | Laney, thanks for all your help. | 20:52 |
| Laney | pschorf: You can forward it to debian using "submittodebian" from ubuntu-dev-tools | 20:53 |
| emet | hey Laney are you MOTU? | 20:54 |
| Laney | emet: no | 20:54 |
| Laney | not yet, anyway... | 20:54 |
| emet | okay | 20:54 |
| emet | this bzr repo for every package thing sounds pretty cool | 20:55 |
| emet | I guess anyone could branch a package? | 20:55 |
| jjlee | emet: that's what MS was saying in that post | 20:56 |
| jmarsden|work | emet: See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto | 20:58 |
| emet | this is pretty cool | 20:59 |
| pschorf | does anyone know how to add a po file to gettext? | 21:08 |
| jmarsden|work | pschorf: Use xgettext, and its friends? | 21:14 |
| pschorf | jmarsden|work, i was going to add the german translation for the nautilus image converter from gnome's SVN. Can I just add the file in dpatch and add it to LINGUAS? | 21:16 |
| pschorf | add de.po, that is | 21:16 |
| jmarsden|work | Possibly... that is going to be package specific; it all depends what the makefile(s) do. You'll have to read and understand the Makefile(s) concerned to be sure. | 21:17 |
| ScottK | Ubuntu has it's own translation system, so I don't think adding it to the package actually works. | 21:18 |
| jjlee | I hope this means somebody's working towards committing changes to the source itself rather than to the debian/ directory: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoMoreSourcePackages | 21:54 |
| ScottK | jjlee: Why? Patches are a lot more understandable than undifferentiated diff in the source. | 22:13 |
| jjlee | but it's easy to get the diff, right? | 22:14 |
| jjlee | once it's in VC | 22:14 |
| jjlee | it's easier to edit plain old source than on patches | 22:14 |
| jjlee | the idea seems to be to use something similar to stacked-git to represent the patches in the VC repository | 22:15 |
| jjlee | so the concept of patch is still there | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Using the common patch systems in Debian/Ubuntu editing patches directly is almost never necessary. | 22:15 |
| jjlee | (in addition to the concept of a commit / changeset) | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Only if you have access to the vcs. It's not present in the source package any more. | 22:15 |
| jjlee | what source package? See title of wiki page | 22:16 |
| ScottK | Well that's a long ways down the road. | 22:16 |
| jjlee | "Using the common patch systems": I thought the idea was to make maintaining packages easier? | 22:16 |
| jjlee | If so, obsoleting some of the mountain of Debian odds and ends would be a good thing | 22:17 |
| ScottK | If your comfortable using bzr, I'm sure it is/will be. | 22:17 |
| jjlee | sure, a long way down the road is fine | 22:17 |
| ScottK | In favor of an Ubuntu odd and end doesn't seem like progress, but that's just me. | 22:18 |
| jjlee | being comfortable with systems like bzr is a transferable skill that solves a more general problem | 22:18 |
| ScottK | VCS has advantages, but it's not pure win. | 22:18 |
| ScottK | Right, so using something that's not virtually Ubuntu unique. | 22:18 |
| jjlee | many people (cough) think that a lot of the Debian / ubuntu packaging stuff fills a much-needed gap <duck> | 22:19 |
| jjlee | right | 22:19 |
| jjlee | the community seems more valuable than the tools | 22:20 |
| ScottK | Getting the packaging in a VCS is a long term win if we do it smart. | 22:23 |
| jjlee | yes, it looks promising | 22:23 |
| howa | rate my new site !! http://www.hardstylersunited.dk/ | 22:38 |
| jpds | That works too. | 22:38 |
| emgent | lol | 22:38 |
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