[00:00] <sri_barence> (no action here)
[00:00] <sri_barence> leaving...
[00:06] <WaspInc> How would I go about changin the icon picture to a desktop launcher?
[00:07] <WaspInc> changing*.  I made one for terminal but the icon is just a white page
[00:11] <WaspInc> anyone?  google isn't offering much support on this one as far as I can tell
[00:12] <balkian> WaspInc: what's the extension(filetype) of your icon?
[00:13] <WaspInc> erm.. it's simply runs the command /usr/bin/xterm
[00:14] <balkian> thought you had made your own icon :P
[00:14] <WaspInc> oh no
[00:14] <WaspInc> but does xfce not have some default icons?
[00:15] <WaspInc> must come with some for common applications?
[00:15] <balkian> when you create the launcher you can change the icon by pressing the icon image on the left(I think)
[00:15] <WaspInc> that's what i thought. didn't work...
[00:15] <WaspInc> nope. didn't
[00:15] <balkian> what happened?
[00:15] <WaspInc> nothing
[00:16] <balkian> I'm afraid I'm not in xfce right now, nor can change the desktop. Just wanted to give you some support until others did. Sorry
[00:16] <WaspInc> I created the icon by right clicking on desktop> create launcher
[00:16] <WaspInc> yeah thanks for the help.
[00:17] <sinbox> most icons seems to be in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[00:17] <balkian> have you tried creating a personal launcher? I think there are two kinds of launchers...
[00:18] <WaspInc> yup. and i see a xterm icon
[00:18] <WaspInc> now just how to put it to my icon
[00:18] <sinbox> right click your launcher > properties
[00:18] <sinbox> then in the window that comes up click on the icon and point it where you have the one you want
[00:18] <WaspInc> i can't click on it
[00:18] <sinbox> in the dailog that comes up
[00:18] <WaspInc> nothing happens
[00:19] <WaspInc> how do you create the other type of launcher
[00:19] <balkian> sorry for wasting everybody's time :(
[00:19] <WaspInc> hmm. no this is just odd. when I ran xfce a while back on freebsd I am almost positive that I could just click on the icon in properties
[00:19] <sinbox> hmmm weird, then again I'm on gnome right now, but I can't see it being very different on XCFE
[00:20] <WaspInc> no it shouldnt be..
[00:20] <WaspInc> oo. i got it
[00:20] <WaspInc> you don't go into properties
[00:20] <WaspInc> there is also edit launcher
[00:21] <sinbox> ah yes
[00:21] <WaspInc> i just missed that. i just kept going into properites
[00:21] <sinbox> that too
[00:21] <WaspInc> thanks for the help guys
[00:23] <sinbox> no probs
[01:30] <customer> has anyone successfully used a palm m505 with xubuntu 8.10
[02:18] <forces> saluton
[02:27] <zerothis> so I used unetbootin on my hard drive from my no-cd, no-USB device. back in the device, it says it cannot detect my CD drive?
[02:41] <Dominiddio> Hi guys!
[02:42] <Dominiddio> Damn I really don't understand what's the packet I gotta install to make youtube (and all those flash-video sites) working
[02:43] <Dominiddio> I've tryied will all those wich got "flash" or "mozilla" in their name but didn't find the right one
[02:43] <Dominiddio> Can anybody help me?
[02:45] <Dominiddio> please guys that's just an easy-to-give info :)
[03:57] <GreedyB> when I click shared folders it freezes and closes...   where is that information stored?
[04:57] <Sinister`> i need to run a program as root useto be i could change the icon in kde to open as a differnt user how do i do it now ? the program is bitpim btw if anyone knows a short cut
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> usually you use sudo to run as root. gksudo if the app is graphical.
[04:58] <Sinister`> thanks
[04:59] <Sinister`> (gksudo:28809): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> did you do "gksudo bitpim"?
[05:01] <Sinister`> yeah i was root at the time i think it will work now
[05:01] <Sinister`> thanks
[05:03] <Sinister`> works perfect
[05:04] <Odd-rationale> !yay
[05:12] <Chaorain> Is there a way to make an internal disk appear with the external disks in Thunar File Manager?
[05:13] <pist0l-fish> hi all. I just installed 8.10 and I have no sound- I used to use 8.04 and had sound. I have an Intel ICH5 (which is supported by alsa) and I have turned all the controls up using alsamixer (and unmuted everything). Any suggestions?
[06:36] <william56> anyone know a way to boost sound above the maximum of the volume control and alsamixer?
[06:38] <R1cochet> turn the knob to 11
[06:39] <william56> there's no knob on my speakers
[07:56] <R1cochet> !avidemux
[08:07] <forces__> :O
[08:07] <forces__> !xfce
[08:07] <forces__> !xubuntu
[08:07] <forces__> !gnome
[08:07] <forces__> !aspireone
[08:10] <R1cochet> r u still trying to install it on ur laptop?
[08:13] <maxamillion> i've got an aspire one
[08:13] <maxamillion> have it running the xfce community spin of fedora though ... only distro i found that supported everything off a fresh install
[08:16] <R1cochet> does it play dvds?
[08:16] <R1cochet> and have u tried ubuntu or medibuntu?
[08:45] <aaroninfidel> Hi, I was wondering if someone could give me some good recommendations on things to customize my xfce desktop
[09:02] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, gnome-look.org, xfce-look.org, art.gnome.org etc
[09:03] <aaroninfidel> ablomen, thanks, I already found it I meant tools like conky etc...
[09:03] <the-erm> Anyone know off the top of their head a program a little better than users-admin ?  I'd like to add users to groups like www-data
[09:04] <the-erm> and that by default is group 33 which isn't listed.
[09:04] <the-erm> I checked and -help gives me nothing
[09:04] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, well yeah you have conky, and stuff like avant should work on xfce too
[09:04] <ablomen> the-erm, adduser and useradd (man adduser/useradd)
[09:05] <the-erm> So you're saying do it from the command line.
[09:05] <the-erm> ok
[09:05] <ablomen> yep, thats the fastest way :)
[09:06] <the-erm> Kinda odd that a gui program wouldn't have that option.  kuser didn't mind.
[09:06] <the-erm> Or at least it'd give me the option.
[09:06] <aaroninfidel> hey ablomen do you have a link to a good guide on how to install themes?
[09:06] <ablomen> myeah, file a bug report i guess :) anyway, adduser USERNAME GROUPNAME should do the trick (with sudo)
[09:07] <the-erm> isn't it usermod for users that already exist?
[09:07] <ablomen> adduser does the same
[09:07] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, you can install gtk themes by extracting them to the .themes directory in your home folder
[09:08] <ablomen> (you might have to create it)
[09:08] <aaroninfidel> ablomen,  ah, thank you :)
[09:08] <ablomen> and icon themes to .icons i guess
[09:08] <ablomen> not sure, there should be a help page on art.gnome.org, should work for xfce
[09:10] <aaroninfidel> ablomen, for some reason when I type cp Dust /.themes it doesn't copy any reason you can think of why?
[09:10] <the-erm> how do you double check the primary group for the user from the command line?
[09:10] <aaroninfidel> and I'm using sudo
[09:11] <the-erm> or is it the first one listed from "groups"
[09:12] <ablomen> the-erm, not sure
[09:12] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, you should not use sudo
[09:12] <ablomen> and it is ~/.themes
[09:12] <ablomen> so its in your own home directory
[09:12] <aaroninfidel> ah, thank you ablomen, again. :)
[09:13] <ablomen> yw
[09:14] <aaroninfidel> ablomen, I accidentally added it to the root of the HD how can I remove the folder in terminal?
[09:14]  * aaroninfidel is new to linux
[09:14]  * aaroninfidel he figures its time to learn.
[09:15] <aaroninfidel> -he
[09:15] <aaroninfidel> lol
[09:16] <the-erm> it appears that groups does list the user's primary group first, but I'm not sure to be honest.  (my username is first, and the account I'm adding to www-data is first as well)
[09:16] <ablomen> the-erm, hmm ok, might be :)
[09:17] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, heh ehm first thing to learn is to never use sudo for anything that is for your own user and not system wide
[09:18] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, and you have to watch out now, read carefully what i say next otherwise you might well remove some stuff you dont want to remove
[09:18] <aaroninfidel> alright.
[09:18] <aaroninfidel> :)
[09:18] <aaroninfidel> thanks for the help ablomen.
[09:18] <ablomen> if you do `ls /` now there is a folder ".themes" ?
[09:19] <aaroninfidel> nope
[09:19] <aaroninfidel> but I know its there
[09:19] <ablomen> ehm sorry ls -a
[09:19] <ablomen> so `ls -a /`
[09:19] <aaroninfidel> there it s :)
[09:20] <aaroninfidel> shall we open a PM chat? or is this fine?
[09:20] <the-erm> echo $GROUPS gives you the group id :)
[09:21] <ablomen> ok this is the dangerous one: type `sudo rm -r /.themes`, this will completely and without warning remove the .themes folder and everything in it, so never use that command unless your absalutely sure it is safe to do so, especially with sudo in front of it
[09:22] <aaroninfidel> gone.
[09:22] <ablomen> ok now go sit in a corner for 15 minutes because you used sudo to copy that folder in the first place :P
[09:22] <aaroninfidel> so now... I would copy it to ~/.themes
[09:23] <aaroninfidel> how do you normally copy it without using sudo?
[09:23] <aaroninfidel> o.O
[09:23] <ablomen> yep, ~/ will point to /home/USERNAME/
[09:23] <ablomen> well, every file you copy that belongs to your user should be able to be copied without sudo
[09:24] <aaroninfidel> ah ok
[09:24] <aaroninfidel> thanks for the info, you've been a great help :)
[09:24] <ablomen> so doing `cp -r Dust ~/.themes/` will do the trick now
[09:24] <ablomen> yw :)
[09:26] <aaroninfidel> cool! this might take a long time to learn but from what I hear, linux is the future.
[09:26] <ablomen> heh i hope so
[09:26] <aaroninfidel> how long have you been a linux user ablomen?
[09:27] <the-erm> ... part of me hopes linux is the future, however I'm not convinced it will be.  I know people who still use aol *just to keep the email address*
[09:27] <aaroninfidel> oh, so... now that I have it installed how can I change my theme ablomen? haha... I'm such a newbie :P
[09:27] <ablomen> ehm... i guess iv been using it for everything except gaming for about 4 years now, been playing with it for about 6
[09:28] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, go to the menu=>settings=>settings manager=>user interface
[09:28] <the-erm> Part of me doesn't want linux to be the future, because it looks nice on the resume, whereas windows XP is a so freaking what
[09:28] <aaroninfidel> ablomen, should I restart? I don't see it in the list.
[09:28] <ablomen> heh yeah i guess, if it will happen, it will take some time
[09:29] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, hmm ok then something went wrong..
[09:29] <aaroninfidel> oops
[09:29] <aaroninfidel> brb for just a minute.
[09:29] <ablomen> if you do `ls ~/.themes` is there a folder called Dust?
[09:29] <ablomen> oh
[09:29] <ablomen> the-erm, lol yeah true
[09:32] <ablomen> i still wont regret the day that i never have to re-install one of my co-workers computers again because it started to get slow etc
[09:32] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, <ablomen> if you do `ls ~/.themes` is there a folder called Dust?
[09:32] <aaroninfidel> hey ablomen
[09:32] <aaroninfidel> I'm back
[09:33] <ablomen> yay
[09:34] <aaroninfidel> nope it is all the files from the dust folder.
[09:34] <aaroninfidel> I'm guessing
[09:35] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, ok, well then, to make things easy, first remove the .themes folder via thunar (just click on your home folder and in the file manager press ctrl+h to see hidden folders)
[09:36] <aaroninfidel> oh ablomen, what is a good image previewer to download?
[09:36] <ablomen> after that, create a new .themes folder (ctrl+n), go to the folder where the Dust dir is located, copy that and paste it in the newly created .themes folder
[09:36] <aaroninfidel> and I moved all the files into a dust folder
[09:37] <ablomen> ah works too :)
[09:37] <the-erm> gpicview should already be installed.
[09:37] <the-erm> It's decent.
[09:37] <aaroninfidel> ok
[09:37] <ablomen> so make sure that all the files are in ~/.themes/Dust/
[09:37] <ablomen> then start the user-interface manager thingy again
[09:37] <aaroninfidel> ah, it works :D
[09:38] <aaroninfidel> thanks a ton!
[09:38] <aaroninfidel> what opens a TGA image?
[09:39] <the-erm> there's an extension I've never heard of.
[09:39] <the-erm> Perhaps gimp will.
[09:40] <aaroninfidel> its an image type that is like a vector, you can scale it as much as you want
[09:42] <the-erm> wsq viewer ... don't ask me if it's in the repos, I just googled it :)
[09:43] <aaroninfidel> haha thanks the-erm :)
[09:43] <the-erm> aaroninfidel: try gpicview
[09:43] <the-erm> You might luck out and have it.
[09:43] <aaroninfidel> already did :P
[09:43] <the-erm> oh bummer
[09:43] <the-erm> so I'm guessing it didn't work.
[09:45] <the-erm> duhh here's an idea, load up synaptic and search for tga
[09:46] <the-erm> zgv
[09:46] <the-erm> Should have tried that first.  sudo apt-get install zgv  should do it for you
[09:50] <aaroninfidel> thanks the-erm
[09:50] <aaroninfidel> :)
[09:50] <aaroninfidel> how do I get conky to run on my desktop?
[09:50] <aaroninfidel> and have it as a startup item?
[09:52] <aaroninfidel> where are most applications installed?
[09:53] <ablomen> you start conky by just entering conky as a command
[09:54] <ablomen> and you can add it to autostarted apps in the settings manager so it will be started on login
[10:00] <aaroninfidel> how do I access startup ablomen?
[10:01] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, menu=>settings=>settings manager=>autostarted apps
[10:02] <aaroninfidel> I don't have that option.
[10:02] <ablomen> hmm, oh im still using 8.04 here, might be somewhere else now
[10:03] <aaroninfidel> its an extra install
[10:06] <nibon> Hey! I'm running Xubuntu with Openbox, so i got no panel or anything (yet), I'm still configuring it. What's the name of the XFCE settings program? Where I can change screen resolution, etc. must change some settings, can't access it graphically though.
[10:07] <ablomen> nibon, xfce-settings-show
[10:07] <ablomen> aaroninfidel, you might try running xfce4-autostart-editor
[10:08] <aaroninfidel> ok thanks ablomen
[10:09] <nibon> didn't work. guess that's eliminated in an openbox session? Is there any other way to change screen resolution+
[10:09] <nibon> okay, stupid question... of course there is, but how?
[10:11] <ablomen> !xorg
[10:11] <nibon> thanks
[10:13] <the-erm> ok here's a question, back in the day when I used to run dos 3.1 I could change the font size.  It was a lot like ctrl+alt+F1-F6  I run stuff in those so if X crashes I still have processes running.
[10:14] <the-erm> However I'd like to make it so more fits on a screen, how do you do it?
[10:15] <ablomen> you want to change the font-size of X or the terminals?
[10:15] <ablomen> ah the terminals (read it good this time)
[10:16] <the-erm> no not X terminals.
[10:16] <the-erm> tty terminals
[10:16] <ablomen> the-erm, dunno about it, but you might want too look at screen, that way you can "connect" to those terminal sessions from a normal terminal
[10:17] <the-erm> I tried stty cols 132 ... 80 etc
[10:17] <the-erm> anything beyond 80 wont' work.
[10:17] <ablomen> so say you run screen in tty1, then start an app, you can just connect to that session from within xterm, xfce4-terminal etc
[10:18] <the-erm> looks like I need to add vga=773  to the grub boot
[10:22] <the-erm> splash screen looks different, but it changed the font size :)
[10:22] <the-erm> yippie.
[10:23] <the-erm> I should turn off the splash I miss all the [OK] messages at boot.
[10:23] <ablomen> heh :)
[10:26] <the-erm> I think I'll try 771
[10:26] <the-erm> 773 is too small
[10:30] <aaroninfidel> for the update manager isn't there a little daemon you can have autostart so it notifies you if you need updates?
[10:30] <the-erm> aaroninfidel: update-notifier however it's usually running
[10:31] <the-erm> ps -A | grep update
[10:31] <aaroninfidel> oh, alright :)
[10:32] <the-erm> oops ...
[10:33] <the-erm> htop is a pretty good program to tell you what's running.
[10:33] <the-erm> sudo apt-get install htop
[10:33] <the-erm> there's a gui program that does pretty much the same thing, but I forget it's name.
[10:34] <the-erm> I guess I'm too much of a command line junkie.
[10:35] <the-erm> applications => system => system monitor
[10:40] <aaroninfidel> what is emerald? and... does it need a graphics card? I'm running on 512ram with 10mb video ram.
[10:47] <aaroninfidel> what is a good extraction tool for zip, z7 etc...
[10:53] <aaroninfidel> how can I enable selection on the mouse in xfce4
[10:54] <aaroninfidel> like to select all icons on the desktop on windows you would just drag over the icons... but it doesn't work in xfce for me.
[10:56] <kecowakmanja> need some help here...
[10:57] <kecowakmanja> i've gon xubuntu 8.10 installed by now... and also have a NVIDIA Onboard VGA... but the xubuntu doesn't detected it... and my LCD display resolution is on 800x600... how can i install the driver so i can choose any resolution other than 800x600... thanx in advance
[11:00] <TheSheep> !nvidia
[11:01] <kecowakmanja> oh oke
[11:01] <kecowakmanja> okay
[11:01] <kecowakmanja> tanx
[11:46] <aaroninfidel> what do YOU use for a media player?
[11:47] <aaroninfidel> ogg/mp3
[11:47] <aaroninfidel> mp3!
[11:47] <aaroninfidel> !mp3
[11:53] <sharpTaco> mmm
[14:44] <nikolam> Hi one short question
[14:45] <nikolam> Can encrypted swap file be used for hibernation?
[14:50] <nikolam> got to go sorry
[16:43] <MrWhammy> Hi, I have an old Toshiba laptop. I installed Xubuntu. Unfortunately the screen resolution is 800*600, while my monitor supports 1024*786. When using the settings manager, display settings I cannot select 1024*768. Is there a way to configure this without messing with xorg.conf? (which now has no settings at all)
[17:47] <slow-motion> hi
[18:32] <Cowie`> Is there anyway to change the Xubuntu logo on the "start bar"? I'd like to have a custom logo there if possible.
[18:37] <zoredache> !usplash | Cowie
[18:58] <crazygir> why are so many of the install cds corrupt?
[18:59] <charlie-tca_> Which ones, specifically? The only ones I know of are Jaunty desktop cd's
[19:00] <crazygir> the 8.10 release, but install and alternate install isos
[19:01] <charlie-tca_> I have not had any issues with them, after I found my bad drive. I use both i386 and amd64.
[19:04] <charlie-tca_> Since I do testing, I have to use 8.04, 8.10, and 9.04. I install them all at least twice a week.
[19:05] <crazygir> can you give me a URL to the ISO you are using?
[19:09] <charlie-tca_> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/
[19:12] <crazygir> this is just so frustrating, because I've tried about 10 different downloads, between the 2 images and available mirrors, different cdr's, and writers, as well as attempting to install on different systems
[19:12] <crazygir> at first, the issue was just booting the installer
[19:12] <crazygir> now it's installing packages
[19:13] <charlie-tca_> do they pass the cd integrity check?
[19:15] <crazygir> not the ones that I've checked (i just recently saw the option)
[19:15]  * charlie-tca_ nods
[19:16] <charlie-tca_> cd that fails won't work most of time :-)
[19:18] <tangentcollision> somehow I am banned from ubuntu
[19:18] <tangentcollision> what the crap
[19:18] <tangentcollision> okay, I'll ask here
[19:19] <tangentcollision> anyone know anythng about gparted?
[19:19] <callum> It's a graphical partition editor.
[19:19] <tangentcollision> what does it mean for a drive to be flagged with boot?
[19:20] <callum> It mean's that the drive/partition can be booted by a computer.  If you have a Xubuntu install on /dev/sda2 then /dev/sda2 is probably has a boot flag.
[19:22] <callum> I hope your silence mean I helped and didn't just confuse you...
[19:24] <charlie-tca_> tangentcollision: It doesn´t seem to matter what is tagged in Ubuntu. It does matter to windows, I think.
[19:25] <charlie-tca_> Windows tends to boot the boot flagged partition
[19:25] <crazygir> charlie-tca_: given testing with different cds, writers, readers, systems, I blame the isos
[19:25] <tangentcollision> charlie-tca_: it's what my linux partition is flagged as
[19:26] <callum> Yeah, I just checked, I have ubuntu installed on /dev/sda5 and Vista on /dev/sda2.  My Ubuntu partition hasn't got a boot flag, but Vista does, presumably only non-linux os's require the boot flag.
[19:27] <charlie-tca_> crazygir: Okay. That's probably good as anything. It's just my experience that if it fails cd integrity check, it fails to install
[19:27] <callum> */dev/sda4 and 5
[19:27] <charlie-tca_> callum: Do you know if matters if grub is installed to the flagged partition?
[19:27] <callum> Seperate home partitoin = good.
[19:28] <callum> GRUB is usually installed to the MBR which is automatically read at boot anyway.
[19:28] <callum> unless you have a non-standard installation, no it doesn't matter.
[19:32] <calrogman> So yeah, I'm looking for a cheap 1GHz 32-bit processor.  Any recommendations?
[19:32] <calrogman> Based in the UK if it helps...
[19:33] <calrogman> No recommendations?
[19:33] <calrogman> ah well...
[19:33] <calrogman> I'll keep looking!
[19:35] <tangentcollision> ooh, centron or whatever
[19:35] <tangentcollision> intel's crap
[19:37] <calrogman> intels crap... why do u think that?
[19:38] <tangentcollision> no, I'm saying, that intel crap processor
[19:38] <tangentcollision> centron or something
[19:38] <calrogman> centrino
[19:38] <tangentcollision> centrino
[19:38] <tangentcollision> okay
[19:38] <tangentcollision> that then
[19:38] <calrogman> i have 2ghz dual core centrino cpu you insensitive clod!
[19:39] <tangentcollision> ...
[19:39] <calrogman> sorry /. meme
[19:39] <tangentcollision> you obviously missed my insinuation
[19:39] <calrogman> oh noes a long word!  I didn't come on IRC for this lol
[19:40] <tangentcollision> celeron
[19:41] <tangentcollision> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116039
[19:41] <tangentcollision> that's reference material
[19:41] <calrogman> ooh celeron... right
[19:42] <calrogman> thanks, too bad newegg don't ship to the UK :-/
[19:42] <tangentcollision> well, I'm going to go mod someone's psp for some money
[19:42] <calrogman> woo mods!
[19:42] <tangentcollision> woohoo for having a monopoly
[19:42] <tangentcollision> over here, I'm the only one who can do this
[19:43] <tangentcollision> within like 200 miles
[19:43] <R1cochet> wheres there?
[19:43] <tangentcollision> middle of GA
[19:43] <R1cochet> ahhh the sticks
[19:43] <calrogman> celeron is too fast...
[19:43] <tangentcollision> you're kidding me, right?
[19:43] <tangentcollision> you NEED 1ghz?
[19:43] <R1cochet> u can have that monopoly :)
[19:43] <calrogman> No, I'm looking for ~1ghz
[19:43] <tangentcollision> :o
[19:43] <calrogman> I'm trying to build a PC on the really cheap.
[19:44] <calrogman> REALLY cheap
[19:44] <calrogman> like ~£150
[19:44] <calrogman> So I decided I'd use xubnutu because I ain't getting Vsta on it or for it.
[19:46] <calrogman> The HDD is going to be ab out 20Gb
[19:46] <calrogman> *shock and awe*
[19:46] <R1cochet> ouch
[19:46] <R1cochet> just picked up a 1.5tb 3 days ago
[19:46] <calrogman> lol
[19:47] <calrogman> 20Gb > 1.5Tb in credit crunch
[19:47] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[19:47] <calrogman> or if youre 14
[19:47] <calrogman> and therefore poor
[19:47] <R1cochet> well gl
[19:47] <calrogman> ty ^_^
[19:48] <calrogman> the scariest bit is the RAM...
[19:48] <calrogman> 384 MB
[19:49] <R1cochet> well just make sure u give it some swap
[19:49] <calrogman> Heck I couldn't put XP on it...
[19:49] <calrogman> It'll probably have ~100mb swap, but then again xubuntu has quite a low footprint.
[19:49] <R1cochet> prolly not
[19:50] <calrogman> I tried it form a cd yesterday, very impressed.
[19:50] <R1cochet> livecd?
[19:50] <calrogman> even on my laptop (fast) it felt snappier than my HDD install of ubuntu
[19:50] <R1cochet> and looks better too :)
[19:50] <calrogman> I gotta say, I agree with you.
[19:51] <calrogman> XFCE looks so much better than GNOME.
[19:51] <R1cochet> tho u might get tired of the system beeps on startup and shutdown
[19:51] <R1cochet> just blacklist the internal pc speaker
[19:51] <calrogman> $ sudo rmmod pcspkr
[19:52] <calrogman> sorted...
[19:52] <Odd-rationale> lxde is another good choice for a DE on a light weight machine.
[19:52] <calrogman> thanx for the info
[19:52] <Odd-rationale> or you can just run fluxbox, or openbox, or other wm stand alone...
[19:53] <R1cochet> im gonna reinstall xubuntu some time this week
[19:53] <calrogman> Why?
[19:53] <Odd-rationale> !lowmem
[19:53] <R1cochet> switch to 32bit
[19:53] <calrogman> It doesn't break as oftne as XP does it?
[19:53] <R1cochet> no not at all
[19:53] <R1cochet> hasnt broken once for me
[19:53] <calrogman> *phew*
[19:54] <R1cochet> but i heard that there are problems with the win64 codecs getting the sound to play on some HDwmv files
[19:54] <calrogman> I'm not building the lightwieght PC for personal use.  I'm building it too prove that a PC doesn't need a i7 or whatever, and for a bit of cash...
[19:54] <R1cochet> no porblems on the 32bit version
[19:54] <calrogman> So hearing that xubuntu works, very reassuring.
[19:54] <R1cochet> and theres supposedly no performance gain from the 64bit
[19:55] <calrogman> I'll stick w/ 32-bit then.
[19:55] <calrogman> but finding a CPU that runs at 1ghz these days...
[19:55] <calrogman> It's hard
[19:55] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ i bet
[19:55] <R1cochet> try craigslist
[19:56] <calrogman> It's cause of all the fools who think tey can't browse the web without the latest and greatest specs.
[19:56] <calrogman> And companies forcing you to use the latest and greatest.
[19:56] <calrogman> Also Vista.
[19:56] <R1cochet> u mean i didnt need that new cpu to browse youtube?
[19:57] <calrogman> NO!
[19:57] <calrogman> lol
[19:57] <R1cochet> damnit
[19:57] <calrogman> w8 r u serious...
[19:57] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ no
[19:57] <calrogman> o thank goodness...
[19:57] <R1cochet> Laughing My Ass Off
[19:58] <calrogman> FOMCL  o_/<
[19:58] <calrogman> *Falling off my chair laughing.
[20:00] <R1cochet> once u do install to get some media to play u will want to install "xubuntu_restricted_extras" from synaptic
[20:00] <Odd-rationale> s/_/-
[20:00] <calrogman> yeah, common practice in UK.
[20:00] <calrogman> Well not common but should be done on *buntu machines in the UK
[20:01] <forces> saluton
[20:01] <calrogman> salu... wait what?
[20:01] <calrogman> salutations?
[20:01] <R1cochet> solution?
[20:01] <calrogman> Salivation?
[20:02] <forces> saluton = hi in esperanto
[20:02] <R1cochet> hi
[20:02] <calrogman> oh spanish, ok
[20:02] <calrogman> Hi!
[20:02] <R1cochet> esperanto? where is that spoken
[20:02] <forces> esperanto != spanish
[20:02] <calrogman> umm...
[20:02] <forces> !google saluton
[20:02] <forces> ¬.¬
[20:02] <calrogman> ok
[20:03]  * forces now playing counter strike
[20:03] <forces> xD
[20:04]  * calrogman now understands.
[20:04] <R1cochet> umm doesnt look like many peeps speak esperanto
[20:04] <calrogman> Yeah google translate doesn't do esperanto...
[20:05] <calrogman> I got mixed up cos of esp...
[20:05] <R1cochet> http://www.esperanto-usa.org/en/node/3
[20:06] <charlie-tca_> !esperanto
[20:07] <calrogman> $ echo "You're useless" > /dev/ubottu
[20:08] <calrogman> My cat's feeling under the weather.
[20:08] <R1cochet> calrogman: try it in xubuntu-esp
[20:10] <calrogman> He's hurt his legs again.
[20:10] <calrogman> second time in two weeks.
[20:11] <calrogman> He attacked the vet, which he NEVER does.
[20:11] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[20:12] <calrogman> yeah, we got him a cat-flap into his favourite room, the conservatory, which gets very cold, so he can go to his litter box whenever without freezing the rest of the house.
[20:15] <R1cochet> is a cat-flap a doggy door? and conservatory the crapper?
[20:17] <calrogman> conservatory is a room, often with a door to the outside world (oh noes, the fresh air, it hurts) mainly constructed of glass.  A cat flap is a flap of plastic in a door that lets cats come and go when they please.
[20:18] <calrogman> probably like a doggy door, but smaller.
[20:18] <R1cochet> right
[20:18] <calrogman> yeah...
[20:18] <calrogman> I also use it to describe the hanging flap of fat most cats develop on the stomach as they age.
[20:19] <R1cochet> £ãugh¡ñg Òut £öuÐ
[20:19] <R1cochet> works
[20:20] <sinbox> anyone here built fluxbox 1.1.1 on 8.04?
[20:20] <calrogman> yeah...
[20:20] <calrogman> As it happens, no.
[20:20] <calrogman> not me anyway...
[20:20] <TheSheep> may I direct yor attention to the excellent #xubuntu-offtopic channel not far from here?
[20:22] <calrogman> Who are you directing?
[20:22] <TheSheep> general audience who might desire to perform any ofttopic chat, really
[20:24] <calrogman> I assume cats are offtopic...
[20:24] <calrogman> although cats chase mice, surely the xfce mouse makes cats on-topic :P
[20:42] <sri_barence> hello?
[20:42] <R1cochet> saluton
[20:43] <sri_barence> Can i get help with Listen player?
[20:45] <R1cochet> ask away some1 might be able to help u
[20:46] <sri_barence> How to enable wma format for Listen?
[20:48] <sinbox> sudo apt-get install win-32 codecs
[20:49] <sri_barence> I have already installed w64codecs (my machine is 64-bit), but this does not help.
[20:49] <calrogman> darn µsoft and their evil formats
[20:50] <sinbox> you also have gstreamere ffmpegf etc?
[20:53] <sri_barence> I have all plugins installed, AFAIK. Rhythmbox has no problem with the wma files.
[21:07] <sinbox> which player you having a problem with?
[21:19] <sri_barence> I cannot play wma files with Listen player on Xubuntu 8.10 (64-bit).
[21:20] <sinbox> well don't know, never hear d of the Listen player myself
[21:21] <sri_barence> Listen Player is installed by default on Xubuntu Intrepid.
[21:21] <sri_barence> see http://listen-project.org
[21:22] <sinbox> OK
[21:22] <sinbox> I don't use intrepid either
[21:22]  * sinbox needs to find source for the old xmms
[21:24] <zoredache> sinbox: did you check packages.ubuntu.com?
[21:24] <sinbox> not yet nope, guess that would be the place to look into
[21:24] <slow-motion> n8
[21:39] <sri_barence> Well, I cannot recommend Listen as a media player.  It can't handle files located on a network share, it cannot handle the popular wma format, and it doesn't like my custom icon set.
[21:44] <charlie-tca_> sri_barence: Can you file a two bug reports against Listen? One for network share, one for wma?
[21:44] <charlie-tca_> Then tell me where to get a wma file so I can confirm
[21:44] <zoredache> just out of curiosity, what do you mean cannot handle files on a network share?
[21:45] <sinbox> don't get a wma filew charlie-tca_ they're contagious
[21:46] <charlie-tca_> I sure don´t want nothing contagious!
[22:13] <sri_barence> Listen player cannot load files from a folder that is not located on the local machine.
[22:15] <sri_barence> charlie-tca: Where should I file the bug reports?
[22:17] <charlie-tca_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[22:18] <charlie-tca_> And make sure you include that it is in Intrepid, please
[22:25] <sri_barence> The bug about network shares was filed on 2008-05-06 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/listen/+bug/227524)
[22:25] <sri_barence> No action taken so far.
[22:26] <charlie-tca_> Is it your bug? If not, add some comments to it so it can be confirmed for the devs to work.
[22:30] <sri_barence> Done.  Also confirmed bug report that Listen crashes when certain icon themes are in use (but not others).
[22:31] <charlie-tca_> Thanks! that does help.
[22:35] <sri_barence> Just discovered that the network share problem is a "ticket" on listen-project.org: http://www.listen-project.org/ticket/671
[22:48] <charlie-tca_> sri_barence: I just triaged the network bug.
[23:13] <nikolam> Hi.
[23:14] <nikolam> I think that I am not contributing to Xubuntu as much as I could.
[23:15] <nikolam> Are there any organized groups with scheduled duties and goals or something?
[23:15] <Odd-rationale> http://xubuntu.org/contribute
[23:18] <knome> nikolam, user support is always appreciated.
[23:18] <nikolam> yes yes yes, doing that whenever I can
[23:18] <knome> nikolam, soonish we start the joined xfce/xubuntu documentation team
[23:19] <knome> nikolam, you might want to join that as well if you need something more :)
[23:20] <sri_barence> charlie-tca: WOW! Fast work.
[23:20] <nikolam> Its ok, I will look to it. But after of about near 2 years of using Xubuntu in various versions, I failed to include myself deeper in including myself in community.
[23:20] <nikolam> Maybe I could see to it on that Doc project and start from that
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> btw, what presentation software does xubuntu come with by default? I thought it didn't come with any...
[23:22] <sri_barence> Otherwise, I am very happy with the Xubuntu distribution as a whole. It seems especially well suited to my hp dv8110us laptop.  (I am not counting suspend/hibernate problems.)
[23:23] <nikolam> Odd-rationale, Hm, Openoffice. but yes, no default one installed.
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> nikolam: OO is not installed by default is it?
[23:23] <nikolam> sri_barence, maybe you could post a bug about that hibernate thing
[23:24] <knome> nikolam, i had used xubuntu for few months, but after i started working with the community it took only like a week to feel i'm part of the team already. :)
[23:24] <knome> Odd-rationale, nope.
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> cause the xubuntu homepage says: "It contains all the applications you need - a web browser, presentation, document and spreadsheet software, instant messaging and much more."
[23:24] <nikolam> Odd-rationale, No, it is true. Abiword, Gnumeric and no presentation viewer
[23:24] <knome> hmm.
[23:24] <nikolam> ..
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> i should ping vinnl when he pops in again...
[23:24] <knome> Odd-rationale, nope. i can do it.
[23:25] <charlie-tca_> sri_barence: no problem. Thanks for helping with that. Glad to hear you are happy! :-)
[23:25] <sri_barence> nikolam: the 'hibernate thing' is a long-time known issue with ATI video and Linux. I hold no hope that it will ever be resolved.
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> knome: oh ok. cool. you can say something like you can easily get a presentation or other software... or something like that...
[23:25] <knome> Odd-rationale, can you give me a link to that page?
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> http://xubuntu.org/
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> :P
[23:25] <knome> a-ha ok :P
[23:26] <nikolam> sri_barence, try updating Ati driver to 8.9 or 8.12 from ati site. It`s proprietary but working fine with that issues
[23:26] <nikolam> sri_barence, i suggest making deb`first before install
[23:27] <knome> Odd-rationale, it's now updated. thanks for the input because we are in the stage of renewing the texts
[23:27] <Odd-rationale> np
[23:28] <Odd-rationale> i just chanced upon it when i was grabbing the link for nikolam...
[23:28] <knome> Odd-rationale, suppose that front page text was written by cody, though, so you might want to ask him if he had any app in mind (that i didn't recognise from xubuntu-desktop deps/recs) or just wrote it wrong :P
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> thing is, there really is no presentation software except OO-impress and koffice-kpresenter
[23:29] <charlie-tca_> I don´t see a presentation app in Jaunty, either.
[23:29] <knome> it might have just slipped because that text was written seconds/minutes before the website/intrepid was published.. ;)
[23:30] <Odd-rationale> neither of which are good candidates for xubuntu...
[23:30] <knome> http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/LinuxPresentations.html - maybe we should read that page for more ideas..
[23:30] <nikolam> knome, mm xubuntu.org looks kind of messy now.. pictures are a bit displaced..
[23:30] <knome> nikolam, can you paste a screenshot?
[23:31] <Odd-rationale> nikolam: the uds/fosscamp one?
[23:31] <knome> nikolam, and i'll see what i can do. there is already coming an update for the website soonish
[23:31] <nikolam> just a sec
[23:32] <Odd-rationale> that can probably be removed anyways, as it is over...
[23:32] <knome> sure
[23:33] <knome> somebody should write an article about it
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> and it doesn't even link to anything...
[23:33] <knome> maybe just from the recaps from the last xubuntu team meeting...
[23:34] <nikolam> knome: what is preffered place/site to paste pictures/binaries to?
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> imagebin.ca
[23:34] <knome> nikolam, i don't know if there is one which is preferred
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> xs.to
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> doesn't really matter...
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> my personal opinion is the icons on the nav bar are humongous... :o
[23:35] <knome> true. they are supposed to be
[23:35] <knome> in another words: it's very very intentional
[23:36] <Odd-rationale> :D
[23:36] <knome> if you visit the xubuntu site everyday... well then, get a life dude
[23:36] <knome> ;)
[23:36] <nikolam> ;))
[23:36] <Odd-rationale> but the site really improved since the feisty days...
[23:36] <knome> thanks.
[23:37]  * charlie-tca_ thinks the icons are great! I can see them :-)
[23:37] <knome> \o/
[23:37] <knome> ok, mission accomplished
[23:37] <nikolam> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs434&d=08012&f=xubuntu.org727.png
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> i though vinnl was the website guy...
[23:37] <knome> Odd-rationale, he is the website content guy
[23:37] <knome> nikolam, ok. reason: too lousy firefox window width.
[23:38] <knome> nikolam, and there's really not a lot we can do about that
[23:38] <Odd-rationale> nikolam: probably becuase your firefox window is too small... :P
[23:38] <knome> nikolam, but i removed the uds/fosscamp -pic so should work ~ok now
[23:38] <nikolam> ahh. I wont make it bigger anyway :) ok.
[23:38] <knome> actually.
[23:39] <knome> there *is* something we can do about it
[23:39] <knome> :P
[23:39] <knome> but it would break the bigger resolutions
[23:39] <Odd-rationale> http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs134&d=08012&f=image737.jpg
[23:39] <knome> i must say that those icons should be a bit larger actually
[23:39] <knome> because the spaces between them are way too wide on my screen ;)
[23:41] <knome> and really ridiculous if i span to two monitors ;)
[23:43] <nikolam> lol. knome, you see those canonical letters not showing at hte end of text?
[23:43] <knome> nikolam, yes... ;)
[23:43] <knome> that's something we need to address.
[23:43] <nikolam> I see, that is that window size thing
[23:44] <knome> nikolam, yes, that too, but it makes getting that content *actually* harder
[23:45] <nikolam> maybe blue picture should be somehow locket to the size og text.
[23:46] <knome> nikolam, that's quite hard to accomplish with current css
[23:47] <nikolam> ok :)