[01:15] evening [01:16] thoughts on updating mlt so we can bump kdenlive? or should we wait for debian? === ScottK3 is now known as ScottK-desktop [02:43] vorian: kdelive just hit the Debian New queue. [02:43] kdelive/kdenlive [02:43] You might write the maintainer for an advance copy of the package and see what's different from the Debian Multimedia package. [02:44] will do [02:54] ScottK: there seems to be few differences at first glance (-data -dbg to name a couple) [02:55] vorian: OK. IIRC we used to have a -data. I'd align to that one and we can forget Debian Multimedia completely (go ahead and do a merge even though it's still in New in Debian). [02:56] We used to get mlt, mlt++, and kdenlive from Debian Multimedia, now we can get them all from Debian proper. [02:56] ah, i see [02:57] jmpoure from kdenlive seems to be happy with our kdenlive 0.7 [02:58] they added quite a few things for this point release [03:00] Sounds like we're moving in the right direction then. [03:00] yep [03:01] although, MLT does need updating [03:01] i'll keep an eye on it in debian [03:16] vorian: I'd chat with the Debian maintainer about it then. [04:35] one web browser written in python, because I'm bored and can't sleep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/96564/ [04:48] ouch, it fails acid3 test big time :) [04:48] that's nothing to do with me :) [04:50] hehe, the webkit in gnome works like a champ [04:51] kmail sure takes a super long time to load my IMAP email [04:52] that's because i'm sneakernetting the bits from your imap server [04:52] that would be a lot of sneakernetting dude, as it is GMail :) [04:52] good thing i cloned my sneakernets [04:53] and if their Internet is anything like their burritos, then you have no chance of winning :) [04:57] w00t, pinentry-qt4 is fixed with kmail! [05:43] When was it broken? [05:52] ScottK: it has been broken [05:52] OK. It's been fine in Intrepid. [05:52] supposedly hasn't worked with kmail, enigma with thunderbird...and so on [05:52] I thought it was, but anyways, there is a no release...I am going to request a sync on it [05:52] Hmmm. Works in Intrepid with kmail just fine. [05:52] bug #281487 [05:52] Launchpad bug 281487 in pinentry-qt4 "[intrepid] Wrong passphrase message when correct one is entered - due to protocol incompatibility between pinentry-qt4 and gpg-agent" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281487 [05:52] I do remember that issue though [05:54] Odd. I've never had that problem. [05:54] The one person who I've helped with problems didn't have agent enabled in their gpg.conf. [05:54] txwikinger: could you look at that bug ^^ I added a new deb you can grab and test with enigmail and thunderturd [05:55] nixternal: I can have a look at it, but I think I cannot reproduce it anymore [05:55] go figure :) I am going to commit that sucker [05:55] OOOH! [05:55] it works [05:56] in thunderbird with enigmail!!! [05:56] * nixternal forgets he has that GNOME desktop just for testing stsuff like this [05:56] oh.. that is the other one [05:56] I have not tried that one yet [05:56] well.. I remember again [05:57] I know that protocol incompatability issue, I remember seeing it and I think that was fixed a while back to be honest [05:57] hrmm [05:57] yes.. I will look at this [05:57] I am using the pinentry-qt4 from intrepid, not the package I put in my ppa, and it is working fine [05:57] how can people like thunderbird? my lord, it is as bloated as their browser [05:58] If you're used to Outlook Express, it's quite nice. [05:58] hrmm, it does seem quicker than kmail with gmail imap though [05:58] actually...much quicker [05:58] ScottK: hahahaha, I bet [05:58] My kids use it. [05:58] I got confused since I re-installed intrepid from scratch [05:58] I have become fond of Evolution with the Exchange stuff to be honest [05:59] urgh. [05:59] I tried Evolution and couldn't stand it. [05:59] it has worked very well, and even does all of my calendar stuff perfectly [05:59] really? I had always problems with evolution [05:59] So write us some Kmail magic to do the same. [05:59] I doubt I would like Evolution for POP3 or IMAP, but for Exchange, it is really the best bet in Linux [05:59] best == only. [05:59] the kmail magic is supposedly already in the works [05:59] ScottK: exactly :) [06:00] actually no, you could do the whole citrix setup crap if you wanted to [06:00] * txwikinger searches for the encrypted email [06:00] jjess has outlook 2007 running in crossover office and it was crap if you aske me [06:00] I had outlook 2003 running in it, and it was faster in cxo than it was in windows [06:01] oh damn, encrypted email [06:01] * nixternal didn't test that [06:01] I don't think I have any encrypted email [06:01] ROFL [06:02] I know I don't...I accindentally erased all of my old messages that were loaded with them [06:02] i love this keyboard...the letter 'n' and the letter 's' will just pop up where ever they want to [06:03] txwikinger: send me an encrypted email :) [06:03] hehe [06:03] what is your key? [06:04] Isn't it on my launchpad page? [06:04] oh you bum! [06:04] going to make my lazy arse go and find it? :P [06:05] got it [06:05] Don't I need yours anyway? [06:05] 2e2c0124 [06:06] irc nick @ kubuntu . org ? [06:06] I think I need to install enigmail first [06:07] is that your email addy ^^? [06:07] I think I have that one too now [06:07] usually I use the ubuntu . com one though [06:08] roger that [06:08] does that work with your key? [06:09] yup [06:09] Well.. it was installed.. and I think I sent soemthing to you [06:09] ok, just sent you an email from kmail that was encrypted...it has a nice little note in it [06:10] Well.. your message I could decrypt [06:10] without your deb [06:10] yup, and just decrypted it too [06:10] cool [06:10] forgot my other machine has its own gpg key just to test this whole thing :) [06:11] so we can close that booger...and I will go ahead and request a sync with the new package as well [06:11] yep.. I think we can close it [06:11] even I still don't understand why it occurred [06:11] The packages I have now are no different than before [06:12] all it takes is a goofy gnupg conf file in ~/.gnupg to ruin your whole day [06:12] The only difference is, I installed intrepid from scratch instead an update from hardy [06:12] 3 years ago, JR and I wrestled with it as it kept booging our debsigns as well [06:12] well.. my gnupg conf is still the same [06:13] that is on my home dir which I did not re-install [06:13] ya, I now have a single ~/.gnupg as it is on a USB stick and all of my machines share that badboy [06:13] just gotta make sure to run 'sync' every now and then if I am signing keys or downloading keys [06:14] yeah.. that one got me confused for almost a day too before I submitted the bug [06:14] txwikinger: Was your old install upgraded from Feisty, perhaps? [06:14] that is pretty much the same one JR and I witnessed right after the beginning of Kubuntu [06:14] but that had a different behaviour.. I think the pinentry window never came up [06:14] especially with kmail [06:15] ScottK: No.. hardy install and than upgrade to intrepid [06:15] then [06:15] but then I was sneaking stuff to warren over at mepis :p [06:15] OK. Feisty had a bad gnupg bug that caused gpg.conf problems. [06:16] Well. the gnupg issue was IIRC not really a bug.. just a user mistake by myself [06:17] txwikinger: did you put this in a reply to me - "Encrypted mail test" ? [06:17] not the subject, but in the body? [06:17] I don't think I submitted anything about it, or if I did, only something saying that it can be easily confusing [06:17] nixternal: in both... subject and body [06:17] wow, KMail 4.2 beta rocks!! [06:18] it didn't work this well in kmail 3.5.x [06:18] does it finally work with imap? [06:18] I just set it up tonight with imap on gmail [06:18] Everytime I used kmail it had serious issues with imap [06:18] I use mutt as my main client, but I wanted to play with kmail, and your bug report forced me to :) [06:19] did it? I thought it was for thunderbird :D [06:19] it is slow on the initial grabbing of a few million emails from gmail, but after that it seems rock solid [06:19] I made it crash once, but the scroll wheel on my logitech nx nano can make any application crash no matter the OS [06:19] hmm.. I used to be able to do that with Konqui [06:19] txwikinger: it was, but someone replied that it was happening to them in kmail as well [06:20] Ah [06:20] then I remembered I could install thunderturd on my gnome box [06:20] =( [06:20] gnome box? [06:20] after trying to use konqi now for the past few days, I think they should just give up on it...it is so bad it isn't even funny [06:20] Are you hanging out too much with Jorge? [06:20] probably [06:21] I must say, my current GNOME setup, now running Jaunty...is quite hot [06:21] I didn't sent him a 0-16 congratulation yet :D [06:21] using the dusk theme with my ubuntu streetart wallpaper [06:21] hahahaha, man they are sore about that in detroit [06:21] hmm.. I installed kubuntu jaunty on my virtual box [06:21] look at the stupid chicago bears...getting rid of our defensive coordinator hoping to pick up the lions defensive coordinator [06:21] what about 0 and 16 do the bears not get? [06:22] Well.. the Cowboys keep their Offensive coordinator who seems to be over his head [06:22] ya, tomorrow I will do the jaunty dist-upgrade probably [06:23] How comes that the Blackhawks are so good at the moment? [06:23] I have no idea, but the redwings killed them tonight, 4-0 [06:24] i am going to the outdoor match between the hawks and the wings on thursday [06:24] well actually, tomorrow now, as in 24 hours it will be 2009 [06:24] i hate new years, just means I am close to being yet another year older [06:24] Oh at Wringley stadium? [06:25] They talk about that game already for weeks here in Canada [06:25] wrigley field...careful now...don't fumble that one to much, us cubs fans get upset at typos :) [06:25] sorry... too many teams in the windy city [06:25] to bad it couldn't have been saturday....it was in the 60s here [06:25] and all those dead people being appointed to be Senators [06:26] the most corrupt state in the country! I love it! [06:26] Well.. Minnesota is trying hard to compete [06:26] not hard enough! [06:27] we have one governor in prison, and another on his way [06:27] Did you see the funny challenges on some of those ballots? [06:27] and in the entire history of the state of illinois, Jim Edgar was our only governor to not go to jail or prison [06:27] we rock! [06:27] oh, ya that democrat comedian dude is an idiot, I hope he loses by 1/2 a vote [06:27] Is the former husband of Jeri also in prison? [06:27] who? [06:28] The Star-Trek chic [06:28] I think he originally ran against Obama for Senate but withdraw during the race [06:28] withdrew [06:28] hrmm, I never knew her [06:28] I am reading her wikipedia entry now [06:29] not even from illinois, but she was chosen miss illinois [06:29] omg, I had no clue [06:29] I thought I was in a timemachine today [06:29] I know who she is now [06:29] no, her husband wanted that freaky sex stuff in their marriage right? [06:29] I saw Cujo playing in the goal for the leafs [06:30] yes something like that [06:30] he was supposed to run against obama [06:30] yes [06:30] because of that entire thing he had to pull out and look where obama is today [06:30] jack ryan was slated to win that election too [06:31] Well.. that was before the dead people voting [06:31] hehe [06:31] nixternal: Would you please look at kde-style-qtcurve merge? [06:32] I can't see how it ever worked before, but I'm not sure if that's the package or the Scotch. [06:32] hahah, ok [06:38] interesting...how the heck did it ever work? if it would fail when trying to write $HOME/.qt [06:41] I found an interesting thing with ktorrent [06:41] it saves the torrents with absolute pathnames [06:42] so if you change your home dir name it has some issues :D [06:42] is that a config issue? [06:44] patch -p3 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff [06:44] patching file common/config_file.c [06:44] Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n] [06:44] ScottK: ^^ how the hell did it build? I can't even build the intrepid version without it erroring out [06:45] nixternal: OK. It's not just me. [06:45] It needs a proper patch system. [06:45] or Scotch [06:45] Please go hunt down ryanakca and beat that into him. [06:45] * ScottK gets a refill. [06:45] ScottK: I think the debian maintainer needs some beeting as well [06:46] The patch is ours. [06:46] oh, it is...my fault [06:46] lets beet the debian maintainer anyways [06:46] beat too [06:46] OK, but fix it first then. [06:46] * nixternal hunts down ryanakca and beats "KDE-STYLE-QTCURVE NEEDS A PROPER PATCH SYSTEM" into him [06:47] * ScottK says good bye to what once was a very nice bottle of Glenlivet. [06:47] * ScottK wonders if Riddell would approve. [06:48] ScottK: someone else may need a bit of smacking as well [06:48] ie. look at the changelog, Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:14:15 +0000 [06:48] :) [06:48] err, nevermind [06:48] this dr. pepper must be getting to me :) [06:50] Mon, 17 Mar 2008 - 0.55.2-1ubuntu2: Add kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff for nicer defaults. [06:50] :) [06:51] Looks like jr gets a whooping too. [06:51] hahaha, yup!!! [06:51] get um!!! [06:52] Nah. Killing cruft tonight. [06:53] wth [06:53] KMail somehow made gmail think there are 2035 unread emails right now [06:53] wow, big kmail boog [06:53] damnit [06:53] * txwikinger just saw nixternal flying by [06:54] hehe [06:54] Are you even allowed to fly by in this province? [06:55] probably not [06:55] maybe kmail counts all those unread e-mails in the spam folder that all those M$ machines send out [06:56] that was interesting [06:56] I will have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can do taht again [06:56] * txwikinger wonders if in Ill dead e-mails are counted too [06:57] tomorrow or today after sleeping :D [06:58] ya, today [06:58] Well the Gmail IMAP implementation is, 'unusual' [06:58] So I don't know I'd necessarliy blame Kmail. [06:58] that was the first time I had ever saw that before, and I have been using their IMAP stuff in GMail since day one with mutt and had 0 problems [06:59] well, not 0...there is one problem with refreshing deleted content across multiple labels [06:59] * txwikinger uses a proper imap server [07:00] my own [07:00] to lazy to setup another imap server [07:01] maybe I should try kmail for a change [07:01] can I import all my thunderbird account settings? [07:15] Mail you can import. I don't remember about account settings. [07:15] Well.. I don't want to re-enter all my identities [07:16] It would make me feel like I have a multiple personality disorder :D [07:19] No harm in trying. If it doesn't, just don't use it. [07:19] well. or writing some conversion script :D [07:24] Even better. [07:29] anyone can do me sponsor main upload? http://kubuntu.3322.org/ttf-wqy/ttf-wqy-zenhei_0.8.34-cvs20081027-0ubuntu1.dsc [07:29] thanks [07:42] * ScottK looks [07:42] freeflying: Why are we updating to a cvs snapshot? [07:59] ScottK: they will release sometime, but I'm not sure when, so I want it to be in repositary, then we will have more feedback [08:00] freeflying: OK. Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [08:01] ScottK: hehe, welcome, I'm still a member of kubuntu [08:01] Member or not, the contribution is appreciated. [08:05] ScottK: anyway, thanks for your sponsor [08:06] freeflying: You're welcome. [08:20] jpds: Would you mind looking at kmediafactory and seeing if it can be fixed to be installable again? [08:29] morning all :) [09:26] google gadgets support in kde-nightly :D http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot198.png === fabo_ is now known as fabo [09:29] shiny :) [09:30] * Arby does the shortest work day in history and prepares to leave :) === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [10:44] apachelogger: do you have googlegadgets package available fo us building kde from svn? [10:45] Lure: only if you use neon's Qt [10:46] apachelogger: what is special with neon's qt? [10:46] so jaunty qt is no good? [10:47] apachelogger: do you plan to package it for jaunty? === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [11:21] Lure: there is apparently someone working on it [11:22] didn't succeed in contacting him though [11:22] Lure: eitherway I plan to have it in jaunty [14:19] What's the package nedded for KGHNS ? [14:21] kdelibs [14:22] Hmm I installed that already [14:22] NCommander: did anyone test kmag on armel yet? [14:22] daskreech: whats the problem? [14:22] Nothing heart rending My computer brokeso I'm using a nother one but a) it's hardy and b) It's gnome [14:22] So I installed a few KDE apps to stay sane but they don't have KGHNS [14:23] KDE 3 apps? [14:23] 4.1.3 [14:23] we deployed 4.1.3 on hardy? [14:23] No. [14:23] Intrepid [14:23] daskreech: how did you get 4.1.3? [14:24] >_< [14:24] This is 4.0.5 [14:24] Wrong repo [14:24] Booo [14:24] good chance it just was broken [14:35] now back to wondering why jockey-backend is crashing pykde... [14:36] oh well, at least jockey is partially populating the kcm *and* the ui is actually in the kcmshell rather than its own window :P [14:38] JontheEchidna++ [14:38] JontheEchidna: backtrace? [14:38] thread naughtiness [14:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/95495/ [14:38] threading-- [14:39] yeah :( [14:42] hm [14:42] JontheEchidna: is the code somewhere available? [14:42] * JontheEchidna grabs link [14:42] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/jockey/jockey-kcm [14:43] I've marked the code that causes the crash (and commented it out) [14:43] as a result jockey populates the ui with mostly nothing :P [14:44] I think that whenever the backend tries to use dbus to get infos for the frontend python throws a hissy fit [14:45] you don't have much of a dbus call do you :P [14:47] the AbstractUI class does that [14:50] hm [14:51] JontheEchidna: do I has to do something to make it do install of the kcm properly? [14:51] oh, yeah [14:51] I haven't actually set it up to install it yet... [14:51] copy the kcm.desktop to /usr/share/kde4/services [14:51] oh dear [14:51] mkdir /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey [14:52] cp jockey-kcm.py /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey [14:52] kbuildsycoca4 [14:52] then it will be in the advanced tab of system settings under the "system" category [14:52] oh [14:52] cp mainkcmwidget.ui /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey too [14:53] ah, there we go [14:56] this is what it should look like after it stops crashing: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s320/jockey-kcm-mock.png [14:56] thumbnail fail [14:57] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s1600-h/jockey-kcm-mock.png [14:57] still need oxygen icons [15:03] JontheEchidna: the question is why dbus access would crash [15:03] JontheEchidna: are you on jaunty or intrepid? [15:05] intrepid [15:05] maybe that is the problem *shrug* [15:05] hmm, could be [15:06] JontheEchidna: the problem is most likely within python though, the crash doesn't appear to be in pykde, it just happens to be that kind of crash that takes down everything ;-) [15:07] * apachelogger of course doesn't know anything about python debugging and thus wouldn't know for sure [15:11] * JontheEchidna ponders upgrading to jaunty [15:11] rgreening: howdy [15:12] Someone kick him [15:12] hey. happy early new year :) [15:12] jussi01: do something [15:12] :'-( [15:12] me monders getting drunk before noon today [15:12] eeeehh [15:12] I haz to scroll [15:12] meh [15:12] s/monders/ponders [15:12] apachelogger: I have no accesss here [15:13] !ops [15:13] Help! Riddell, haggai, amu, imbrandon, Hobbsee or Mez [15:13] bad management [15:13] JontheEchidna: it is probably related to using the gobject based dbus lib from inside a kde program. [15:13] grumble [15:14] any ideas on how to make an iso for kubuntu lpia? [15:15] Sime: I have a feeling debugging this will be fun :P [15:15] * JontheEchidna wonders how to go about getting it to not crash [15:16] JontheEchidna: wasn't debugging jockey always fun? [15:16] never this much fun [15:16] JontheEchidna: just providing it with fake data should prevent the crash I guess [15:16] i.e. don't query them from dbus but just hardcode something [15:17] yeah, but then the program doesn't work... [15:17] ~np [15:17] apachelogger is listening to "Deer Dance" by System of a Down [Toxicity, 2001] [15:17] unless you mean implement some of the backend in the frontend [15:17] JontheEchidna: good point ... but it doesn't crash [15:17] i played with this once, the trick was to call the gobject event loop when using the dbus bindings. [15:17] Sime: so this is something I'd want to discuss with the jockey dudes? [15:19] JontheEchidna: i'm guessing, but half of the problem might be that kcm doesn't use the gobject event loop which the dbus code needs. [15:19] thanks for the info [15:20] guessing... [15:20] your guess is as good as mine at this point :P [15:27] if koffice was any smaller it would be a lot better [16:55] JontheEchidna: If I remember right, one of our guidance-power-manager patches that awen did did a similar trick. [16:58] JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu10 is the upload in question. [17:15] * nhandler needs to spend some time on REVU to pass up vorian === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [19:30] ScottK: cool, thanks. I'll take a look [19:41] * JontheEchidna begins to fear that this will require greater capabilities than his own to fix [22:58] ScottK, or apachelogger, feel like sponsoring stuff :-) [23:05] NCommander et al.: Happy New Year! [23:05] Happy new year to you too jpds [23:06] happy newyear jpds [23:06] nhandler: You too! [23:06] Best of luck for 2009 everyone. [23:12] happy new year