[01:15] <vorian> evening
[01:16] <vorian> thoughts on updating mlt so we can bump kdenlive? or should we wait for debian?
[02:43] <ScottK> vorian: kdelive just hit the Debian New queue.
[02:43] <ScottK> kdelive/kdenlive
[02:43] <ScottK> You might write the maintainer for an advance copy of the package and see what's different from the Debian Multimedia package.
[02:44] <vorian> will do
[02:54] <vorian> ScottK: there seems to be few differences at first glance (-data -dbg to name a couple)
[02:55] <ScottK> vorian: OK.  IIRC we used to have a -data.  I'd align to that one and we can forget Debian Multimedia completely (go ahead and do a merge even though it's still in New in Debian).
[02:56] <ScottK> We used to get mlt, mlt++, and kdenlive from Debian Multimedia, now we can get them all from Debian proper.
[02:56] <vorian> ah, i see
[02:57] <vorian> jmpoure from kdenlive seems to be happy with our kdenlive 0.7
[02:58] <vorian> they added quite a few things for this point release
[03:00] <ScottK> Sounds like we're moving in the right direction then.
[03:00] <vorian> yep
[03:01] <vorian> although, MLT does need updating
[03:01] <vorian> i'll keep an eye on it in debian
[03:16] <ScottK> vorian: I'd chat with the Debian maintainer about it then.
[04:35] <stdin> one web browser written in python, because I'm bored and can't sleep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/96564/
[04:48] <nixternal> ouch, it fails acid3 test big time :)
[04:48] <stdin> that's nothing to do with me :)
[04:50] <nixternal> hehe, the webkit in gnome works like a champ
[04:51] <nixternal> kmail sure takes a super long time to load my IMAP email
[04:52] <crimsun> that's because i'm sneakernetting the bits from your imap server
[04:52] <nixternal> that would be a lot of sneakernetting dude, as it is GMail :)
[04:52] <crimsun> good thing i cloned my sneakernets
[04:53] <nixternal> and if their Internet is anything like their burritos, then you have no chance of winning :)
[04:57] <nixternal> w00t, pinentry-qt4 is fixed with kmail!
[05:43] <ScottK> When was it broken?
[05:52] <nixternal> ScottK: it has been broken
[05:52] <ScottK> OK.  It's been fine in Intrepid.
[05:52] <nixternal> supposedly hasn't worked with kmail, enigma with thunderbird...and so on
[05:52] <nixternal> I thought it was, but anyways, there is a no release...I am going to request a sync on it
[05:52] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Works in Intrepid with kmail just fine.
[05:52] <nixternal> bug #281487
[05:52] <nixternal> I do remember that issue though
[05:54] <ScottK> Odd.  I've never had that problem.
[05:54] <ScottK> The one person who I've helped with problems didn't have agent enabled in their gpg.conf.
[05:54] <nixternal> txwikinger: could you look at that bug ^^ I added a new deb you can grab and test with enigmail and thunderturd
[05:55] <txwikinger> nixternal: I can have a look at it, but I think I cannot reproduce it anymore
[05:55] <nixternal> go figure :) I am going to commit that sucker
[05:55] <nixternal> OOOH!
[05:55] <nixternal> it works
[05:56] <nixternal> in thunderbird with enigmail!!!
[05:56]  * nixternal forgets he has that GNOME desktop just for testing stsuff like this
[05:56] <txwikinger> oh.. that is the other one
[05:56] <txwikinger> I have not tried that one yet
[05:56] <txwikinger> well.. I remember again
[05:57] <nixternal> I know that protocol incompatability issue, I remember seeing it and I think that was fixed a while back to be honest
[05:57] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:57] <txwikinger> yes.. I will look at this
[05:57] <nixternal> I am using the pinentry-qt4 from intrepid, not the package I put in my ppa, and it is working fine
[05:57] <nixternal> how can people like thunderbird? my lord, it is as bloated as their browser
[05:58] <ScottK> If you're used to Outlook Express, it's quite nice.
[05:58] <nixternal> hrmm, it does seem quicker than kmail with gmail imap though
[05:58] <nixternal> actually...much quicker
[05:58] <nixternal> ScottK: hahahaha, I bet
[05:58] <ScottK> My kids use it.
[05:58] <txwikinger> I got confused since I re-installed intrepid from scratch
[05:58] <nixternal> I have become fond of Evolution with the Exchange stuff to be honest
[05:59] <ScottK> urgh.
[05:59] <ScottK> I tried Evolution and couldn't stand it.
[05:59] <nixternal> it has worked very well, and even does all of my calendar stuff perfectly
[05:59] <txwikinger> really? I  had always problems with evolution
[05:59] <ScottK> So write us some Kmail magic to do the same.
[05:59] <nixternal> I doubt I would like Evolution for POP3 or IMAP, but for Exchange, it is really the best bet in Linux
[05:59] <ScottK> best == only.
[05:59] <nixternal> the kmail magic is supposedly already in the works
[05:59] <nixternal> ScottK: exactly :)
[06:00] <nixternal> actually no, you could do the whole citrix setup crap if you wanted to
[06:00]  * txwikinger searches for the encrypted email
[06:00] <nixternal> jjess has outlook 2007 running in crossover office and it was crap if you aske me
[06:00] <nixternal> I had outlook 2003 running in it, and it was faster in cxo than it was in windows
[06:01] <nixternal> oh damn, encrypted email
[06:01]  * nixternal didn't test that
[06:01] <nixternal> I don't think I have any encrypted email
[06:01] <txwikinger> ROFL
[06:02] <nixternal> I know I don't...I accindentally erased all of my old messages that were loaded with them
[06:02] <nixternal> i love this keyboard...the letter 'n' and the letter 's' will just pop up where ever they want to
[06:03] <nixternal> txwikinger: send me an encrypted email :)
[06:03] <txwikinger> hehe
[06:03] <nixternal> what is your key?
[06:04] <txwikinger> Isn't it on my launchpad page?
[06:04] <nixternal> oh you bum!
[06:04] <nixternal> going to make my lazy arse go and find it? :P
[06:05] <nixternal> got it
[06:05] <txwikinger> Don't I need yours anyway?
[06:05] <nixternal> 2e2c0124
[06:06] <nixternal> irc nick @ kubuntu . org ?
[06:06] <txwikinger> I think I need to install enigmail first
[06:07] <nixternal> is that your email addy ^^?
[06:07] <txwikinger> I think I have that one too now
[06:07] <txwikinger> usually I use the ubuntu . com one though
[06:08] <nixternal> roger that
[06:08] <nixternal> does that work with your key?
[06:09] <nixternal> yup
[06:09] <txwikinger> Well.. it was installed.. and I think I sent soemthing to you
[06:09] <nixternal> ok, just sent you an email from kmail that was encrypted...it has a nice little note in it
[06:10] <txwikinger> Well.. your message I could decrypt
[06:10] <txwikinger> without your deb
[06:10] <nixternal> yup, and just decrypted it too
[06:10] <txwikinger> cool
[06:10] <nixternal> forgot my other machine has its own gpg key just to test this whole thing :)
[06:11] <nixternal> so we can close that booger...and I will go ahead and request a sync with the new package as well
[06:11] <txwikinger> yep.. I think we can close it
[06:11] <txwikinger> even I still don't understand why it occurred
[06:11] <txwikinger> The packages I have now are no different than before
[06:12] <nixternal> all it takes is a goofy gnupg conf file in ~/.gnupg to ruin your whole day
[06:12] <txwikinger> The only difference is, I installed intrepid from scratch instead an update from hardy
[06:12] <nixternal> 3 years ago, JR and I wrestled with it as it kept booging our debsigns as well
[06:12] <txwikinger> well.. my gnupg conf is still the same
[06:13] <txwikinger> that is on my home dir which I did not re-install
[06:13] <nixternal> ya, I now have a single ~/.gnupg as it is on a USB stick and all of my machines share that badboy
[06:13] <nixternal> just gotta make sure to run 'sync' every now and then if I am signing keys or downloading keys
[06:14] <txwikinger> yeah.. that one got me confused for almost a day too before I submitted the bug
[06:14] <ScottK> txwikinger: Was your old install upgraded from Feisty, perhaps?
[06:14] <nixternal> that is pretty much the same one JR and I witnessed right after the beginning of Kubuntu
[06:14] <txwikinger> but that had a different behaviour.. I think the pinentry window never came up
[06:14] <nixternal> especially with kmail
[06:15] <txwikinger> ScottK: No.. hardy install and than upgrade to intrepid
[06:15] <txwikinger> then
[06:15] <nixternal> but then I was sneaking stuff to warren over at mepis :p
[06:15] <ScottK> OK.  Feisty had a bad gnupg bug that caused gpg.conf problems.
[06:16] <txwikinger> Well. the gnupg issue was IIRC not really a bug.. just a user mistake by myself
[06:17] <nixternal> txwikinger: did you put this in a reply to me - "Encrypted mail test" ?
[06:17] <nixternal> not the subject, but in the body?
[06:17] <txwikinger> I don't think I submitted anything about it, or if I did, only something saying that it can be easily confusing
[06:17] <txwikinger> nixternal: in both... subject and body
[06:17] <nixternal> wow, KMail 4.2 beta rocks!!
[06:18] <nixternal> it didn't work this well in kmail 3.5.x
[06:18] <txwikinger> does it finally work with imap?
[06:18] <nixternal> I just set it up tonight with imap on gmail
[06:18] <txwikinger> Everytime I used kmail it had serious issues with imap
[06:18] <nixternal> I use mutt as my main client, but I wanted to play with kmail, and your bug report forced me to :)
[06:19] <txwikinger> did it? I thought it was for thunderbird :D
[06:19] <nixternal> it is slow on the initial grabbing of a few million emails from gmail, but after that it seems rock solid
[06:19] <nixternal> I made it crash once, but the scroll wheel on my logitech nx nano can make any application crash no matter the OS
[06:19] <txwikinger> hmm.. I used to be able to do that with Konqui
[06:19] <nixternal> txwikinger: it was, but someone replied that it was happening to them in kmail as well
[06:20] <txwikinger> Ah
[06:20] <nixternal> then I remembered I could install thunderturd on my gnome box
[06:20] <txwikinger> =(
[06:20] <txwikinger> gnome box?
[06:20] <nixternal> after trying to use konqi now for the past few days, I think they should just give up on it...it is so bad it isn't even funny
[06:20] <txwikinger> Are you hanging out too much with Jorge?
[06:20] <nixternal> probably
[06:21] <nixternal> I must say, my current GNOME setup, now running Jaunty...is quite hot
[06:21] <txwikinger> I didn't sent him a 0-16 congratulation yet :D
[06:21] <nixternal> using the dusk theme with my ubuntu streetart wallpaper
[06:21] <nixternal> hahahaha, man they are sore about that in detroit
[06:21] <txwikinger> hmm.. I installed kubuntu jaunty on my virtual box
[06:21] <nixternal> look at the stupid chicago bears...getting rid of our defensive coordinator hoping to pick up the lions defensive coordinator
[06:21] <nixternal> what about 0 and 16 do the bears not get?
[06:22] <txwikinger> Well.. the Cowboys keep their Offensive coordinator who seems to be over his head
[06:22] <nixternal> ya, tomorrow I will do the jaunty dist-upgrade probably
[06:23] <txwikinger> How comes that the Blackhawks are so good at the moment?
[06:23] <nixternal> I have no idea, but the redwings killed them tonight, 4-0
[06:24] <nixternal> i am going to the outdoor match between the hawks and the wings on thursday
[06:24] <nixternal> well actually, tomorrow now, as in 24 hours it will be 2009
[06:24] <nixternal> i hate new years, just means I am close to being yet another year older
[06:24] <txwikinger> Oh at Wringley stadium?
[06:25] <txwikinger> They talk about that game already for weeks here in Canada
[06:25] <nixternal> wrigley field...careful now...don't fumble that one to much, us cubs fans get upset at typos :)
[06:25] <txwikinger> sorry... too many teams in the windy city
[06:25] <nixternal> to bad it couldn't have been saturday....it was in the 60s here
[06:25] <txwikinger> and all those dead people being appointed to be Senators
[06:26] <nixternal> the most corrupt state in the country! I love it!
[06:26] <txwikinger> Well.. Minnesota is trying hard to compete
[06:26] <nixternal> not hard enough!
[06:27] <nixternal> we have one governor in prison, and another on his way
[06:27] <txwikinger> Did you see the funny challenges on some of those ballots?
[06:27] <nixternal> and in the entire history of the state of illinois, Jim Edgar was our only governor to not go to jail or prison
[06:27] <nixternal> we rock!
[06:27] <nixternal> oh, ya that democrat comedian dude is an idiot, I hope he loses by 1/2 a vote
[06:27] <txwikinger> Is the former husband of Jeri also in prison?
[06:27] <nixternal> who?
[06:28] <txwikinger> The Star-Trek chic
[06:28] <txwikinger> I think he originally ran against Obama for Senate but withdraw during the race
[06:28] <txwikinger> withdrew
[06:28] <nixternal> hrmm, I never knew her
[06:28] <nixternal> I am reading her wikipedia entry now
[06:29] <nixternal> not even from illinois, but she was chosen miss illinois
[06:29] <nixternal> omg, I had no clue
[06:29] <txwikinger> I thought I was in a timemachine today
[06:29] <nixternal> I know who she is now
[06:29] <nixternal> no, her husband wanted that freaky sex stuff in their marriage right?
[06:29] <txwikinger> I saw Cujo playing in the goal for the leafs
[06:30] <txwikinger> yes something like that
[06:30] <nixternal> he was supposed to run against obama
[06:30] <txwikinger> yes
[06:30] <nixternal> because of that entire thing he had to pull out and look where obama is today
[06:30] <nixternal> jack ryan was slated to win that election too
[06:31] <txwikinger> Well.. that was before the dead people voting
[06:31] <nixternal> hehe
[06:31] <ScottK> nixternal: Would you please look at kde-style-qtcurve merge?
[06:32] <ScottK> I can't see how it ever worked before, but I'm not sure if that's the package or the Scotch.
[06:32] <nixternal> hahah, ok
[06:38] <nixternal> interesting...how the heck did it ever work? if it would fail when trying to write $HOME/.qt
[06:41] <txwikinger> I found an interesting thing with ktorrent
[06:41] <txwikinger> it saves the torrents with absolute pathnames
[06:42] <txwikinger> so if you change your home dir name it has some issues :D
[06:42] <nixternal> is that a config issue?
[06:44] <nixternal> patch -p3 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff
[06:44] <nixternal> patching file common/config_file.c
[06:44] <nixternal> Unreversed patch detected!  Ignore -R? [n]
[06:44] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^ how the hell did it build? I can't even build the intrepid version without it erroring out
[06:45] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  It's not just me.
[06:45] <ScottK> It needs a proper patch system.
[06:45] <txwikinger> or Scotch
[06:45] <ScottK> Please go hunt down ryanakca and beat that into him.
[06:45]  * ScottK gets a refill.
[06:45] <nixternal> ScottK: I think the debian maintainer needs some beeting as well
[06:46] <ScottK> The patch is ours.
[06:46] <nixternal> oh, it is...my fault
[06:46] <nixternal> lets beet the debian maintainer anyways
[06:46] <nixternal> beat too
[06:46] <ScottK> OK, but fix it first then.
[06:46]  * nixternal hunts down ryanakca and beats "KDE-STYLE-QTCURVE NEEDS A PROPER PATCH SYSTEM" into him
[06:47]  * ScottK says good bye to what once was a very nice bottle of Glenlivet.
[06:47]  * ScottK wonders if Riddell would approve.
[06:48] <nixternal> ScottK: someone else may need a bit of smacking as well
[06:48] <nixternal> ie. look at the changelog, Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:14:15 +0000
[06:48] <nixternal> :)
[06:48] <nixternal> err, nevermind
[06:48] <nixternal> this dr. pepper must be getting to me :)
[06:50] <nixternal> Mon, 17 Mar 2008 - 0.55.2-1ubuntu2:  Add kubuntu_01_default_settings.diff for nicer defaults.
[06:50] <nixternal> :)
[06:51] <ScottK> Looks like jr gets a whooping too.
[06:51] <nixternal> hahaha, yup!!!
[06:51] <nixternal> get um!!!
[06:52] <ScottK> Nah.  Killing cruft tonight.
[06:53] <nixternal> wth
[06:53] <nixternal> KMail somehow made gmail think there are 2035 unread emails right now
[06:53] <nixternal> wow, big kmail boog
[06:53] <nixternal> damnit
[06:53]  * txwikinger just saw nixternal flying by
[06:54] <nixternal> hehe
[06:54] <txwikinger> Are you even allowed to fly by in this province?
[06:55] <nixternal> probably not
[06:55] <txwikinger> maybe kmail counts all those unread e-mails in the spam folder that all those M$ machines send out
[06:56] <nixternal> that was interesting
[06:56] <nixternal> I will have to play with it more tomorrow and see if I can do taht again
[06:56]  * txwikinger wonders if in Ill dead e-mails are counted too
[06:57] <txwikinger> tomorrow or today after sleeping :D
[06:58] <nixternal> ya, today
[06:58] <ScottK> Well the Gmail IMAP implementation is, 'unusual'
[06:58] <ScottK> So I don't know I'd necessarliy blame Kmail.
[06:58] <nixternal> that was the first time I had ever saw that before, and I have been using their IMAP stuff in GMail since day one with mutt and had 0 problems
[06:59] <nixternal> well, not 0...there is one problem with refreshing deleted content across multiple labels
[06:59]  * txwikinger uses a proper imap server
[07:00] <txwikinger> my own
[07:00] <nixternal> to lazy to setup another imap server
[07:01] <txwikinger> maybe I should try kmail for a change
[07:01] <txwikinger> can I import all my thunderbird account settings?
[07:15] <ScottK> Mail you can import.  I don't remember about account settings.
[07:15] <txwikinger> Well.. I don't want to re-enter all my identities
[07:16] <txwikinger> It would make me feel like I have a multiple personality disorder :D
[07:19] <ScottK> No harm in trying.  If it doesn't, just don't use it.
[07:19] <txwikinger> well. or writing some conversion script :D
[07:24] <ScottK> Even better.
[07:29] <freeflying> anyone can do me sponsor main upload? http://kubuntu.3322.org/ttf-wqy/ttf-wqy-zenhei_0.8.34-cvs20081027-0ubuntu1.dsc
[07:29] <freeflying> thanks
[07:42]  * ScottK looks
[07:42] <ScottK> freeflying: Why are we updating to a cvs snapshot?
[07:59] <freeflying> ScottK: they will release sometime, but I'm not sure when, so I want it to be in repositary, then we will have more feedback
[08:00] <ScottK> freeflying: OK.  Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[08:01] <freeflying> ScottK: hehe, welcome, I'm still a member of kubuntu
[08:01] <ScottK> Member or not, the contribution is appreciated.
[08:05] <freeflying> ScottK: anyway, thanks for your sponsor
[08:06] <ScottK> freeflying: You're welcome.
[08:20] <ScottK> jpds: Would you mind looking at kmediafactory and seeing if it can be fixed to be installable again?
[08:29] <Arby> morning all :)
[09:26] <apachelogger> google gadgets support in kde-nightly :D http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot198.png
[09:29] <Arby> shiny :)
[09:30]  * Arby does the shortest work day in history and prepares to leave :)
[10:44] <Lure> apachelogger: do you have googlegadgets package available fo us building kde from svn?
[10:45] <apachelogger> Lure: only if you use neon's Qt
[10:46] <Lure> apachelogger: what is special with neon's qt?
[10:46] <Lure> so jaunty qt is no good?
[10:47] <Lure> apachelogger: do you plan to package it for jaunty?
[11:21] <apachelogger> Lure: there is apparently someone working on it
[11:22] <apachelogger> didn't succeed in contacting him though
[11:22] <apachelogger> Lure: eitherway I plan to have it in jaunty
[14:19] <daskreech> What's the package nedded for KGHNS ?
[14:21] <apachelogger> kdelibs
[14:22] <daskreech> Hmm I installed that already
[14:22] <apachelogger> NCommander: did anyone test kmag on armel yet?
[14:22] <apachelogger> daskreech: whats the problem?
[14:22] <daskreech> Nothing heart rending My computer brokeso I'm using a nother one but a) it's hardy and b) It's gnome
[14:22] <daskreech> So I installed a few KDE apps to stay sane but they don't have KGHNS
[14:23] <apachelogger> KDE 3 apps?
[14:23] <daskreech> 4.1.3
[14:23] <apachelogger> we deployed 4.1.3 on hardy?
[14:23] <ScottK> No.
[14:23] <ScottK> Intrepid
[14:23] <apachelogger> daskreech: how did you get 4.1.3?
[14:24] <daskreech> >_<
[14:24] <daskreech> This is 4.0.5
[14:24] <daskreech> Wrong repo
[14:24] <daskreech> Booo
[14:24] <apachelogger> good chance it just was broken
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> now back to wondering why jockey-backend is crashing pykde...
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> oh well, at least jockey is partially populating the kcm *and* the ui is actually in the kcmshell rather than its own window :P
[14:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[14:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: backtrace?
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> thread naughtiness
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/95495/
[14:38] <apachelogger> threading--
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[14:42] <apachelogger> hm
[14:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is the code somewhere available?
[14:42]  * JontheEchidna grabs link
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/jockey/jockey-kcm
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> I've marked the code that causes the crash (and commented it out)
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> as a result jockey populates the ui with mostly nothing :P
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> I think that whenever the backend tries to use dbus to get infos for the frontend python throws a hissy fit
[14:45] <apachelogger> you don't have much of a dbus call do you :P
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> the AbstractUI class does that
[14:50] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do I has to do something to make it do install of the kcm properly?
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> I haven't actually set it up to install it yet...
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> copy the kcm.desktop to /usr/share/kde4/services
[14:51] <apachelogger> oh dear
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> mkdir /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> cp jockey-kcm.py /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> kbuildsycoca4
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> then it will be in the advanced tab of system settings under the "system" category
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> oh
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> cp mainkcmwidget.ui /usr/share/kde4/apps/jockey too
[14:53] <apachelogger> ah, there we go
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> this is what it should look like after it stops crashing: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s320/jockey-kcm-mock.png
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> thumbnail fail
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Jn7tUiuzfcA/SVorpSpHQyI/AAAAAAAAAEA/_NcWq_5TOZI/s1600-h/jockey-kcm-mock.png
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> still need oxygen icons
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the question is why dbus access would crash
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you on jaunty or intrepid?
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> intrepid
[15:05] <apachelogger> maybe that is the problem *shrug*
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm, could be
[15:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the problem is most likely within python though, the crash doesn't appear to be in pykde, it just happens to be that kind of crash that takes down everything ;-)
[15:07]  * apachelogger of course doesn't know anything about python debugging and thus wouldn't know for sure
[15:11]  * JontheEchidna ponders upgrading to jaunty
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: howdy
[15:12] <daskreech> Someone kick him
[15:12] <rgreening> hey. happy early new year :)
[15:12] <apachelogger> jussi01: do something
[15:12] <apachelogger> :'-(
[15:12] <rgreening> me monders getting drunk before noon today
[15:12] <apachelogger> eeeehh
[15:12] <apachelogger> I haz to scroll
[15:12] <apachelogger> meh
[15:12] <rgreening> s/monders/ponders
[15:12] <jussi01> apachelogger: I have no accesss here
[15:13] <daskreech> !ops
[15:13] <apachelogger> bad management
[15:13] <Sime> JontheEchidna: it is probably related to using the gobject based dbus lib from inside a kde program.
[15:13] <jussi01> grumble
[15:14] <rgreening> any ideas on how to make an iso for kubuntu lpia?
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Sime: I have a feeling debugging this will be fun :P
[15:15]  * JontheEchidna wonders how to go about getting it to not crash
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wasn't debugging jockey always fun?
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> never this much fun
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just providing it with fake data should prevent the crash I guess
[15:16] <apachelogger> i.e. don't query them from dbus but just hardcode something
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but then the program doesn't work...
[15:17] <apachelogger> ~np
[15:17] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Deer Dance" by System of a Down [Toxicity, 2001]
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> unless you mean implement some of the backend in the frontend
[15:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: good point ... but it doesn't crash
[15:17] <Sime> i played with this once, the trick was to call the gobject event loop when using the dbus bindings.
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> Sime: so this is something I'd want to discuss with the jockey dudes?
[15:19] <Sime> JontheEchidna: i'm guessing, but half of the problem might be that kcm doesn't use the gobject event loop which the dbus code needs.
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> thanks for the info
[15:20] <Sime> guessing...
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> your guess is as good as mine at this point :P
[15:27] <apachelogger> if koffice was any smaller it would be a lot better
[16:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If I remember right, one of our guidance-power-manager patches that awen did did a similar trick.
[16:58] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu10 is the upload in question.
[17:15]  * nhandler needs to spend some time on REVU to pass up vorian
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: cool, thanks. I'll take a look
[19:41]  * JontheEchidna begins to fear that this will require greater capabilities than his own to fix
[22:58] <NCommander> ScottK, or apachelogger, feel like sponsoring stuff :-)
[23:05] <jpds> NCommander et al.: Happy New Year!
[23:05] <nhandler> Happy new year to you too jpds
[23:06] <NCommander> happy newyear jpds
[23:06] <jpds> nhandler: You too!
[23:06] <jpds> Best of luck for 2009 everyone.
[23:12] <Sime> happy new year