[00:14] <DanaG> Anyway, it works nicely (and less glitchily than the Creative card); those things are just curiosities.
[03:07] <AltiusBimm> greetings, there seems to be a bit of a logic error in 9.04 alpha 2 that keeps the liveCD login in an infinite loop. I should be able to work around it if someone knows the default users "ubuntu" password
[03:07] <AltiusBimm> that is, the username is ubuntu, but i can’t locate the password
[03:08] <andersk> The password should be empty.
[03:09] <AltiusBimm> hmm
[03:09] <AltiusBimm> good idea
[03:09] <AltiusBimm> but i’m in an infinite loop of being kicked back to the login
[03:09] <AltiusBimm> prompt that is
[03:11] <AltiusBimm> this is the first time in a long time that i’ve even seen the login prompt when booting a liveCD
[03:12] <AltiusBimm> andersk: based on what you said it seems like this is a more significant error than i thought
[03:27] <x1250> AltiusBimm, you can install intrepid and upgrade to jaunty, or try alpha1
[06:29] <Arenlor> Hello, just wondering, anyone else having trouble with fglrx?
[14:26] <terli> is anyone else getting the strange bug that causes link focus to flicker wildly in firefox?
[14:26] <BUGabundo> nope
[14:26] <bfc69> yup
[14:27] <BUGabundo> with compiz enable?
[14:27] <bfc69> only on some links, not all
[14:27] <bfc69> yes, compiz is enabled
[14:27] <terli> my compiz is off
[14:27] <BUGabundo> let me guess: bug 132065
[14:27] <BUGabundo> aggrr
[14:27] <BUGabundo> not that... copy paste FAIL
[14:28] <terli> I'm using a thinkpad though
[14:28] <terli> I has a touchpoint thingy
[14:28] <BUGabundo> bug 269904
[14:28] <bfc69> Not it, I have a intel x4500HD
[14:28] <terli> ATI here
[14:29] <terli> I just upgraded to jaunty testing via synaptic, i WAS occasionally getting this before
[14:29] <terli> but before it wasnt in the pages
[14:29] <terli> instead , latest highlites would go nuts
[14:30] <terli> as if I was hovering over it a hundred times a second
[14:30] <terli> and when  I put my mouse on it it calmed down
[14:30] <terli> it just did it again.
[14:30] <terli> what, can this thing read my MIND
[14:40] <terli> why does pidgin take up 41 mb of ram
[14:40] <terli> and firefox 108
[15:06] <BUGabundo> never dist upgrade with synpatic or apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:06] <BUGabundo> use update-manager -d
[15:06] <BUGabundo> besides X is broken
[15:08] <terli> I always update by packages with synaptic
[15:08] <terli> if I've broken something by doing that how do I fix it
[15:09] <onetinsoldier> terli: is something broken? if so, what?
[15:10] <terli> I don't think anything is
[15:10] <onetinsoldier> ok
[15:10] <terli> but there is a bug in firefox as stated above
[15:10] <terli> and another bug
[15:10] <onetinsoldier> usually try   apt-get -f install
[15:10] <terli> with the jaunty, on shutdown, does your video card flicker a page of glyphs occasionally?
[15:11] <onetinsoldier> i haven't hardly used jaunty yet. but i don't think i've noticed that
[15:12] <terli> its very fast
[15:12] <terli> its probably just my card
[15:12] <onetinsoldier> i'll try to watch closely
[15:12] <BUGabundo> terli: its not the correct way to dist upgrade on ubuntu
[15:12] <onetinsoldier> but yeah, might just be your card
[15:12] <BUGabundo> you will lose the Policies!
[15:12] <terli> Bugabundo : how do I fix the policies
[15:13] <BUGabundo> plus will install packages that are still fully builtd
[15:13] <BUGabundo> terli: please use TAB key for nick autocomplete!
[15:13] <onetinsoldier> X is broken?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> terli: you will have to ask some DEV... I have no idea on how to fix policies after a (force) distupgrade
[15:13] <terli> BUGabundo: I didn't force it
[15:14] <BUGabundo> onetinsoldier: hell not X... but the nvidia support for it1
[15:14] <terli> I changed the apt list to specify jaunty
[15:14] <onetinsoldier> if my X gets broken , I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
[15:14] <BUGabundo> can't use Proprietary driver
[15:14] <terli> and then I upgraded by the packages
[15:14] <BUGabundo> terli: as I said THAT is not the proper way!
[15:14] <BUGabundo> update-manager -d is!
[15:15] <BUGabundo> didn't you read the wiki page before upgrading?!?!
[15:16] <terli> AND what inside of update manager provides that
[15:16] <terli> mine always crashed
[15:16] <terli> if you don't even know how it works then don't tell me to use it
[15:19] <BUGabundo> terli: then you have a faulty install or a broken package! UM is quite stable (well at least until last weekend)
[15:19] <BUGabundo> sundenly it started to open twice!
[15:19] <terli> what is UM
[15:19] <BUGabundo> terli: don't be rude! I'm providing you with information
[15:19] <terli> actually, your spilling hocus pocus
[15:20] <BUGabundo> that you can and SHOULD have read on the upgrade and testing wikis
[15:20] <BUGabundo> UM=update-manager
[15:20] <terli> update manager < aptitude dist-upgrade -fy
[15:20] <terli> ask any dev
[15:20] <terli> you can't use an update manager on the command line
[15:20] <BUGabundo> I'm sorry terli
[15:21] <BUGabundo> if you don't want my intel, then don't I'll shut up and leave you in the dark. good bye
[15:21] <terli> you cant fix it anyway
[15:21] <BUGabundo> last reply: do-release-upgrade from CLI
[15:21] <terli> finally
[15:21]  * BUGabundo some users are really rude!
[15:22] <terli> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[15:22] <terli> current dist not found in meta-release file
[15:22] <terli> No new release found
[15:22] <terli>  do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop
[15:22] <terli> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[15:22] <terli> No new release found
[15:22] <terli> happy?
[15:23] <BUGabundo> YOU ARE ALREADY ON JAUNTY duh
[15:23] <terli> right
[15:23] <BUGabundo> of course there is no NEXT version
[15:23] <BUGabundo> try that on hardy/ibex
[15:23] <terli> so how is it supposed to fix what I did with synaptic?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> look at broken filter
[15:24] <BUGabundo> maybe it shows you something
[15:24] <terli> there are no broken packages.
[15:24] <BUGabundo> other then that email ubuntu-devel-discuss
[15:25] <onetinsoldier> terli: what version of policykit do you have installed?
[15:25] <terli> how do I check?
[15:25] <terli> does it come with the .deb for same?
[15:25] <onetinsoldier> dpkg -l policykit
[15:25]  * BUGabundo acknolages there aint many policy changes (yet) from ibex
[15:25] <BUGabundo> terli: have a look at Missing Recomends filter too
[15:26] <terli>  0.9-1ubuntu3
[15:26] <BUGabundo> apt-cache policy policikit
[15:26] <BUGabundo> apt-cache policy policykit
[15:26] <BUGabundo> will show all that you need
[15:26] <terli>  Installed: 0.9-1ubuntu3   Candidate: 0.9-1ubuntu3
[15:27] <BUGabundo> plus the mirror you used, in case it lags behind
[15:27] <onetinsoldier> looks like the right version. doesn't necessarily mean it configured correctly though i reckon
[15:27] <terli> I forget the correct command to go in and reconfigure all my packages
[15:28] <BUGabundo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[15:28] <onetinsoldier> something like   dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <package_name>
[15:28] <terli> there are a lot of missing recommends
[15:28] <terli> all of them packages I removed
[15:28] <terli> so no problems there
[15:28] <BUGabundo> behare of what you install now!
[15:28] <onetinsoldier> or... dpkg --configure blah blah
[15:28] <BUGabundo> not all are REALLY necessary
[15:29] <onetinsoldier> BUGabundo: where is this wiki at?
[15:29] <BUGabundo> terli: go to Status filter and clean most of your Residual
[15:29]  * BUGabundo checks
[15:29] <terli> I cleaned residual to the wall
[15:29] <BUGabundo>  !upgrade
[15:30] <onetinsoldier> i don't have any issue myself.. i installed jaunty from installer cd
[15:30] <BUGabundo>  !testing
[15:30] <BUGabundo>  !jaunty
[15:30]  * BUGabundo wonders what the testing wiki URL is
[15:31] <BUGabundo> onetinsoldier:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing | Reports: http://qa.ubuntu.com
[15:31] <onetinsoldier> thank you
[15:33] <BUGabundo> onetinsoldier: terli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[15:34] <terli> I wanna test the multi-cursor thingy
[15:34] <BUGabundo> check "Known Issues"
[15:34] <BUGabundo> terli: you own a macbook?
[15:35] <terli> no
[15:35] <terli> I own a thinkpad
[15:35] <terli> and I have a wacom tablet
[15:35] <BUGabundo> does it have suport for multi finger?
[15:35] <xxploit> will the 2.6.28 kernel make it into Jaunty and include ext4 support for installation?
[15:35] <terli> I have a wacom tablet and a mouse, just two sources.
[15:35] <BUGabundo> xxploit: let me check LP bug for that
[15:35] <terli> two is all I want, too.
[15:35] <BUGabundo>  !ext4
[15:36] <BUGabundo> xxploit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/293465
[15:36] <BUGabundo>  !linux
[15:36] <BUGabundo>  !kernel
[15:36] <BUGabundo>  !package linux
[15:36] <BUGabundo> how does one check the current version of a package?
[15:38] <onetinsoldier> dpkg -l
[15:38] <BUGabundo> onetinsoldier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410
[15:38] <onetinsoldier> dpkg -l <paakage_name>
[15:38] <BUGabundo> no... for the bot
[15:40] <onetinsoldier> oh
[15:41] <onetinsoldier> !info xserver-xorg
[15:41] <BUGabundo> ahhh info! thanks
[15:41] <onetinsoldier> you're welcome
[15:41] <BUGabundo>  !info linux
[15:41] <BUGabundo> 2.6.28-4.5 ?
[15:42] <onetinsoldier> you have to give the full name
[15:42] <BUGabundo> looks like it
[15:42] <onetinsoldier> for instance.. on your system. do --> dpkg -l linux* | grep ^'ii'
[15:42] <BUGabundo> but there is a package (metapackage) called linux
[15:43] <BUGabundo>  !info linux-backports-modules-jaunty
[15:43] <onetinsoldier> !info linux-generic
[15:43] <BUGabundo> is anybody here able to install backports?
[15:43] <BUGabundo> mine haven't install ever since I upgrade to jaunty
[15:43] <onetinsoldier> that version isn't jaunty version though
[15:44] <onetinsoldier> this is... linux-generic   2.6.28.4.4
[15:44] <BUGabundo> yeah
[15:44] <BUGabundo> 2.6.28-4.5 is in the pipes. already being built
[15:44] <onetinsoldier> linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic   2.6.28-4.5
[15:44] <terli> how do I use multitouch
[15:44] <BUGabundo> no idea terli
[15:45] <terli> I mean, can I manually configure the seperate pointing thingies into xorg
[15:46] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-x
[18:40] <BotLobsta> has anyone else had any complete lockups recently in jaunty
[18:41] <BotLobsta> ive now had 2 in the past 24 hours and i was wondering if anyone else had seen similar things
[23:15] <mikegriffin> anyone familiar with do-release-upgrade, I am trying to upgrade from gutsy and end up on jaunty. it wants me to head toward hardy and wont even offer intrepid (tried -d and -m normal)
[23:16] <crimsun> that's correct
[23:16] <mikegriffin> i am going to just apt-get unless someone has ideas
[23:16] <nhandler> mikegriffin: You need to upgrade in order
[23:16] <crimsun> do-release-upgrade is a much more intelligent aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
[23:16] <mikegriffin> i dont use aptitude, is it special or just apt-get
[23:17] <crimsun> aptitude tries harder when resolving dependencies
[23:17] <charlie-tca> mikegriffin: you can´t jump from gutsy to jaunty. It really messes things up
[23:17] <crimsun> actually you can, but it's highly not recommended
[23:17] <crimsun> you _will_ have to correct things manually
[23:17] <mikegriffin> but im lazy.. i installed gutsy in like 10/2006 to not have to upgrade for a while and here we are
[23:18] <crimsun> OTOH, if you're very comfortable doing manual dependency resolution, then you know the drill...
[23:18] <mikegriffin> crimsun: im ok with that, is do-release-upgrade useful in this case or just do it manually
[23:18] <mikegriffin> i was trying to do things the ubuntu way instead of using my old debian habbits
[23:18] <crimsun> mikegriffin: d-r-u requires you to dist-upgrade in steps
[23:18] <mikegriffin> meh, wish me luck
[23:18] <mikegriffin> anyone care for results or is this too one off
[23:18] <crimsun> it works. i tried it yesterday.
[23:19] <mikegriffin> im sure it does, dpkg isn't dumb
[23:19] <crimsun> then again, i did have to correct a craptonne of stuff by hand.
[23:19] <crimsun> if you're not comfortable regenerating your initramfs, reconfiguring udev, alsa*, *desktop, etc., then i recommend you do it the ubuntu way
[23:19] <mikegriffin> thats not going to be a problem
[23:20] <crimsun> you need to know how to trick dkms and libc6
[23:20] <crimsun> that last bit can be problematic. i recommend you have a live cd/desktop image ready to go.
[23:21] <crimsun> also, dpkg isn't the issue. it's apt*.
[23:21] <crimsun> dpkg is pretty dumb; it'll bomb =)
[23:21] <crimsun> [i also have test harnesses that abuse the distribution upgrade process to specifically catch certain corner cases]
[23:22] <mikegriffin> im using pretty standard hardware that is, again, over two years old i doubt i will have to jack with dkms or udev
[23:22] <mikegriffin> i dont use *desktop (fluxbox) and i'll back up /etc. :P
[23:22] <crimsun> ok, then you at least need a new kernel, or dpkg _will_ explode =)
[23:23] <mikegriffin> alright thanks for the heads up, last question:
[23:23] <crimsun> and in that case, you're completely screwed unless you have a live cd/desktop image
[23:23] <mikegriffin> is juanty fairly stable at this point? like is bash updated daily or weekly
[23:23] <mikegriffin> i have cd's and pxe
[23:23] <crimsun> it's very stable for me, but i make hardware purchases based on how poorly stuff works so i can fix them
[23:23] <crimsun> i'm not your avg use case
[23:24] <crimsun> certain people find jaunty extremely unstable currently
[23:24] <mikegriffin> mostly on topic: have you played with opensuse? i have heard newer versions can compete with ubuntu rather well
[23:24] <crimsun> mainly users of various Nvidia/Fglrx/radeonhd/etc.
[23:25] <mikegriffin> crimsun: not important this is a workstation
[23:25] <crimsun> i have an openSUSE vm, yes
[23:25] <mikegriffin> someone was saying that its pretty friendly for new setups as it includes a bunch of nonfree stuff by default i might have to check it out
[23:26] <mikegriffin> in any case, thanks a ton for the advice, you have just given me the info i needed to say scren d-r-u
[23:26] <mikegriffin> /en/ew/
[23:26] <crimsun> i'm unconcerned with how well distros compete; i deal with plumbing in various distros
[23:27] <mikegriffin> i was also told the pkg manager is decent, not sure what it is however
[23:27] <mikegriffin> something about integration with the browser or something along those lines
[23:27] <crimsun> resolution doesn't match aptitude at all for my uses
[23:28] <mikegriffin> you dont know any dpkg developers do you, i have a ton of feature requests :P
[23:29] <crimsun> i recommend you check the deity mailing list
[23:29] <crimsun> and, of course, BTS
[23:30] <mikegriffin> happy new year #ubuntu+1
[23:39] <jianfei> yes
[23:45] <mikegriffin> crimsun: i have had one glibc issue so far, apt-get clean fixed it but it reminded me to dpkg -P a few things and deborphan | apt-get remove --purge -y a few times
[23:47] <mikegriffin> my mistake, i thought i fixed it
[23:51] <mikegriffin> something about cross dependencies it would seem, a deadlock basically
[23:51] <mikegriffin> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6