| DanaG | Anyway, it works nicely (and less glitchily than the Creative card); those things are just curiosities. | 00:14 |
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| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| AltiusBimm | greetings, there seems to be a bit of a logic error in 9.04 alpha 2 that keeps the liveCD login in an infinite loop. I should be able to work around it if someone knows the default users "ubuntu" password | 03:07 |
| AltiusBimm | that is, the username is ubuntu, but i can’t locate the password | 03:07 |
| andersk | The password should be empty. | 03:08 |
| AltiusBimm | hmm | 03:09 |
| AltiusBimm | good idea | 03:09 |
| AltiusBimm | but i’m in an infinite loop of being kicked back to the login | 03:09 |
| AltiusBimm | prompt that is | 03:09 |
| AltiusBimm | this is the first time in a long time that i’ve even seen the login prompt when booting a liveCD | 03:11 |
| AltiusBimm | andersk: based on what you said it seems like this is a more significant error than i thought | 03:12 |
| x1250 | AltiusBimm, you can install intrepid and upgrade to jaunty, or try alpha1 | 03:27 |
| Arenlor | Hello, just wondering, anyone else having trouble with fglrx? | 06:29 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 | ||
| terli | is anyone else getting the strange bug that causes link focus to flicker wildly in firefox? | 14:26 |
| BUGabundo | nope | 14:26 |
| bfc69 | yup | 14:26 |
| BUGabundo | with compiz enable? | 14:27 |
| bfc69 | only on some links, not all | 14:27 |
| bfc69 | yes, compiz is enabled | 14:27 |
| terli | my compiz is off | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | let me guess: bug 132065 | 14:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 132065 in mesa "screen stops refreshing after rotating screen when running compiz fusion" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132065 | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | aggrr | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | not that... copy paste FAIL | 14:27 |
| terli | I'm using a thinkpad though | 14:28 |
| terli | I has a touchpoint thingy | 14:28 |
| BUGabundo | bug 269904 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269904 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 "Screen refresh problems with nvidia on intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269904 | 14:28 |
| bfc69 | Not it, I have a intel x4500HD | 14:28 |
| terli | ATI here | 14:28 |
| terli | I just upgraded to jaunty testing via synaptic, i WAS occasionally getting this before | 14:29 |
| terli | but before it wasnt in the pages | 14:29 |
| terli | instead , latest highlites would go nuts | 14:29 |
| terli | as if I was hovering over it a hundred times a second | 14:30 |
| terli | and when I put my mouse on it it calmed down | 14:30 |
| terli | it just did it again. | 14:30 |
| terli | what, can this thing read my MIND | 14:30 |
| terli | why does pidgin take up 41 mb of ram | 14:40 |
| terli | and firefox 108 | 14:40 |
| BUGabundo | never dist upgrade with synpatic or apt-get dist-upgrade | 15:06 |
| BUGabundo | use update-manager -d | 15:06 |
| BUGabundo | besides X is broken | 15:06 |
| terli | I always update by packages with synaptic | 15:08 |
| terli | if I've broken something by doing that how do I fix it | 15:08 |
| onetinsoldier | terli: is something broken? if so, what? | 15:09 |
| terli | I don't think anything is | 15:10 |
| onetinsoldier | ok | 15:10 |
| terli | but there is a bug in firefox as stated above | 15:10 |
| terli | and another bug | 15:10 |
| onetinsoldier | usually try apt-get -f install | 15:10 |
| terli | with the jaunty, on shutdown, does your video card flicker a page of glyphs occasionally? | 15:10 |
| onetinsoldier | i haven't hardly used jaunty yet. but i don't think i've noticed that | 15:11 |
| terli | its very fast | 15:12 |
| terli | its probably just my card | 15:12 |
| onetinsoldier | i'll try to watch closely | 15:12 |
| BUGabundo | terli: its not the correct way to dist upgrade on ubuntu | 15:12 |
| onetinsoldier | but yeah, might just be your card | 15:12 |
| BUGabundo | you will lose the Policies! | 15:12 |
| terli | Bugabundo : how do I fix the policies | 15:12 |
| BUGabundo | plus will install packages that are still fully builtd | 15:13 |
| BUGabundo | terli: please use TAB key for nick autocomplete! | 15:13 |
| onetinsoldier | X is broken? | 15:13 |
| BUGabundo | terli: you will have to ask some DEV... I have no idea on how to fix policies after a (force) distupgrade | 15:13 |
| terli | BUGabundo: I didn't force it | 15:13 |
| BUGabundo | onetinsoldier: hell not X... but the nvidia support for it1 | 15:14 |
| terli | I changed the apt list to specify jaunty | 15:14 |
| onetinsoldier | if my X gets broken , I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine! | 15:14 |
| BUGabundo | can't use Proprietary driver | 15:14 |
| terli | and then I upgraded by the packages | 15:14 |
| BUGabundo | terli: as I said THAT is not the proper way! | 15:14 |
| BUGabundo | update-manager -d is! | 15:14 |
| BUGabundo | didn't you read the wiki page before upgrading?!?! | 15:15 |
| terli | AND what inside of update manager provides that | 15:16 |
| terli | mine always crashed | 15:16 |
| terli | if you don't even know how it works then don't tell me to use it | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo | terli: then you have a faulty install or a broken package! UM is quite stable (well at least until last weekend) | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo | sundenly it started to open twice! | 15:19 |
| terli | what is UM | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo | terli: don't be rude! I'm providing you with information | 15:19 |
| terli | actually, your spilling hocus pocus | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo | that you can and SHOULD have read on the upgrade and testing wikis | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo | UM=update-manager | 15:20 |
| terli | update manager < aptitude dist-upgrade -fy | 15:20 |
| terli | ask any dev | 15:20 |
| terli | you can't use an update manager on the command line | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo | I'm sorry terli | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo | if you don't want my intel, then don't I'll shut up and leave you in the dark. good bye | 15:21 |
| terli | you cant fix it anyway | 15:21 |
| BUGabundo | last reply: do-release-upgrade from CLI | 15:21 |
| terli | finally | 15:21 |
| * BUGabundo some users are really rude! | 15:21 | |
| terli | Checking for a new ubuntu release | 15:22 |
| terli | current dist not found in meta-release file | 15:22 |
| terli | No new release found | 15:22 |
| terli | do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop | 15:22 |
| terli | Checking for a new ubuntu release | 15:22 |
| terli | No new release found | 15:22 |
| terli | happy? | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo | YOU ARE ALREADY ON JAUNTY duh | 15:23 |
| terli | right | 15:23 |
| BUGabundo | of course there is no NEXT version | 15:23 |
| BUGabundo | try that on hardy/ibex | 15:23 |
| terli | so how is it supposed to fix what I did with synaptic? | 15:23 |
| BUGabundo | look at broken filter | 15:24 |
| BUGabundo | maybe it shows you something | 15:24 |
| terli | there are no broken packages. | 15:24 |
| BUGabundo | other then that email ubuntu-devel-discuss | 15:24 |
| onetinsoldier | terli: what version of policykit do you have installed? | 15:25 |
| terli | how do I check? | 15:25 |
| terli | does it come with the .deb for same? | 15:25 |
| onetinsoldier | dpkg -l policykit | 15:25 |
| * BUGabundo acknolages there aint many policy changes (yet) from ibex | 15:25 | |
| BUGabundo | terli: have a look at Missing Recomends filter too | 15:25 |
| terli | 0.9-1ubuntu3 | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | apt-cache policy policikit | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | apt-cache policy policykit | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | will show all that you need | 15:26 |
| terli | Installed: 0.9-1ubuntu3 Candidate: 0.9-1ubuntu3 | 15:26 |
| BUGabundo | plus the mirror you used, in case it lags behind | 15:27 |
| onetinsoldier | looks like the right version. doesn't necessarily mean it configured correctly though i reckon | 15:27 |
| terli | I forget the correct command to go in and reconfigure all my packages | 15:27 |
| BUGabundo | sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a | 15:28 |
| onetinsoldier | something like dpkg-reconfigure -phigh <package_name> | 15:28 |
| terli | there are a lot of missing recommends | 15:28 |
| terli | all of them packages I removed | 15:28 |
| terli | so no problems there | 15:28 |
| BUGabundo | behare of what you install now! | 15:28 |
| onetinsoldier | or... dpkg --configure blah blah | 15:28 |
| BUGabundo | not all are REALLY necessary | 15:28 |
| onetinsoldier | BUGabundo: where is this wiki at? | 15:29 |
| BUGabundo | terli: go to Status filter and clean most of your Residual | 15:29 |
| * BUGabundo checks | 15:29 | |
| terli | I cleaned residual to the wall | 15:29 |
| BUGabundo | !upgrade | 15:29 |
| ubottu | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes | 15:29 |
| onetinsoldier | i don't have any issue myself.. i installed jaunty from installer cd | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | !testing | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about testing | 15:30 |
| BUGabundo | !jaunty | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April -Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion | 15:30 |
| * BUGabundo wonders what the testing wiki URL is | 15:30 | |
| BUGabundo | onetinsoldier: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing | Reports: http://qa.ubuntu.com | 15:31 |
| onetinsoldier | thank you | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | onetinsoldier: terli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview | 15:33 |
| terli | I wanna test the multi-cursor thingy | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | check "Known Issues" | 15:34 |
| BUGabundo | terli: you own a macbook? | 15:34 |
| terli | no | 15:35 |
| terli | I own a thinkpad | 15:35 |
| terli | and I have a wacom tablet | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo | does it have suport for multi finger? | 15:35 |
| xxploit | will the 2.6.28 kernel make it into Jaunty and include ext4 support for installation? | 15:35 |
| terli | I have a wacom tablet and a mouse, just two sources. | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo | xxploit: let me check LP bug for that | 15:35 |
| terli | two is all I want, too. | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo | !ext4 | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 | 15:35 |
| BUGabundo | xxploit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/293465 | 15:36 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 293465 in grub "make ext4 as the primary filesystem for GNU/Linux" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | !linux | 15:36 |
| ubottu | Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | !kernel | 15:36 |
| ubottu | The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | !package linux | 15:36 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about package linux | 15:36 |
| BUGabundo | how does one check the current version of a package? | 15:36 |
| onetinsoldier | dpkg -l | 15:38 |
| BUGabundo | onetinsoldier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410 | 15:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:38 |
| onetinsoldier | dpkg -l <paakage_name> | 15:38 |
| BUGabundo | no... for the bot | 15:38 |
| onetinsoldier | oh | 15:40 |
| onetinsoldier | !info xserver-xorg | 15:41 |
| ubottu | xserver-xorg (source: xorg): the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.4~5ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 189 kB, installed size 648 kB | 15:41 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh info! thanks | 15:41 |
| onetinsoldier | you're welcome | 15:41 |
| BUGabundo | !info linux | 15:41 |
| BUGabundo | 2.6.28-4.5 ? | 15:41 |
| onetinsoldier | you have to give the full name | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | looks like it | 15:42 |
| onetinsoldier | for instance.. on your system. do --> dpkg -l linux* | grep ^'ii' | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | but there is a package (metapackage) called linux | 15:42 |
| BUGabundo | !info linux-backports-modules-jaunty | 15:43 |
| onetinsoldier | !info linux-generic | 15:43 |
| ubottu | linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.27.7.11 (jaunty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB | 15:43 |
| BUGabundo | is anybody here able to install backports? | 15:43 |
| BUGabundo | mine haven't install ever since I upgrade to jaunty | 15:43 |
| onetinsoldier | that version isn't jaunty version though | 15:43 |
| onetinsoldier | this is... linux-generic 2.6.28.4.4 | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | 2.6.28-4.5 is in the pipes. already being built | 15:44 |
| onetinsoldier | linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic 2.6.28-4.5 | 15:44 |
| terli | how do I use multitouch | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | no idea terli | 15:44 |
| terli | I mean, can I manually configure the seperate pointing thingies into xorg | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | ask on #ubuntu-x | 15:46 |
| BotLobsta | has anyone else had any complete lockups recently in jaunty | 18:40 |
| BotLobsta | ive now had 2 in the past 24 hours and i was wondering if anyone else had seen similar things | 18:41 |
| mikegriffin | anyone familiar with do-release-upgrade, I am trying to upgrade from gutsy and end up on jaunty. it wants me to head toward hardy and wont even offer intrepid (tried -d and -m normal) | 23:15 |
| crimsun | that's correct | 23:16 |
| mikegriffin | i am going to just apt-get unless someone has ideas | 23:16 |
| nhandler | mikegriffin: You need to upgrade in order | 23:16 |
| crimsun | do-release-upgrade is a much more intelligent aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade | 23:16 |
| mikegriffin | i dont use aptitude, is it special or just apt-get | 23:16 |
| crimsun | aptitude tries harder when resolving dependencies | 23:17 |
| charlie-tca | mikegriffin: you can´t jump from gutsy to jaunty. It really messes things up | 23:17 |
| crimsun | actually you can, but it's highly not recommended | 23:17 |
| crimsun | you _will_ have to correct things manually | 23:17 |
| mikegriffin | but im lazy.. i installed gutsy in like 10/2006 to not have to upgrade for a while and here we are | 23:17 |
| crimsun | OTOH, if you're very comfortable doing manual dependency resolution, then you know the drill... | 23:18 |
| mikegriffin | crimsun: im ok with that, is do-release-upgrade useful in this case or just do it manually | 23:18 |
| mikegriffin | i was trying to do things the ubuntu way instead of using my old debian habbits | 23:18 |
| crimsun | mikegriffin: d-r-u requires you to dist-upgrade in steps | 23:18 |
| mikegriffin | meh, wish me luck | 23:18 |
| mikegriffin | anyone care for results or is this too one off | 23:18 |
| crimsun | it works. i tried it yesterday. | 23:18 |
| mikegriffin | im sure it does, dpkg isn't dumb | 23:19 |
| crimsun | then again, i did have to correct a craptonne of stuff by hand. | 23:19 |
| crimsun | if you're not comfortable regenerating your initramfs, reconfiguring udev, alsa*, *desktop, etc., then i recommend you do it the ubuntu way | 23:19 |
| mikegriffin | thats not going to be a problem | 23:19 |
| crimsun | you need to know how to trick dkms and libc6 | 23:20 |
| crimsun | that last bit can be problematic. i recommend you have a live cd/desktop image ready to go. | 23:20 |
| crimsun | also, dpkg isn't the issue. it's apt*. | 23:21 |
| crimsun | dpkg is pretty dumb; it'll bomb =) | 23:21 |
| crimsun | [i also have test harnesses that abuse the distribution upgrade process to specifically catch certain corner cases] | 23:21 |
| mikegriffin | im using pretty standard hardware that is, again, over two years old i doubt i will have to jack with dkms or udev | 23:22 |
| mikegriffin | i dont use *desktop (fluxbox) and i'll back up /etc. :P | 23:22 |
| crimsun | ok, then you at least need a new kernel, or dpkg _will_ explode =) | 23:22 |
| mikegriffin | alright thanks for the heads up, last question: | 23:23 |
| crimsun | and in that case, you're completely screwed unless you have a live cd/desktop image | 23:23 |
| mikegriffin | is juanty fairly stable at this point? like is bash updated daily or weekly | 23:23 |
| mikegriffin | i have cd's and pxe | 23:23 |
| crimsun | it's very stable for me, but i make hardware purchases based on how poorly stuff works so i can fix them | 23:23 |
| crimsun | i'm not your avg use case | 23:23 |
| crimsun | certain people find jaunty extremely unstable currently | 23:24 |
| mikegriffin | mostly on topic: have you played with opensuse? i have heard newer versions can compete with ubuntu rather well | 23:24 |
| crimsun | mainly users of various Nvidia/Fglrx/radeonhd/etc. | 23:24 |
| mikegriffin | crimsun: not important this is a workstation | 23:25 |
| crimsun | i have an openSUSE vm, yes | 23:25 |
| mikegriffin | someone was saying that its pretty friendly for new setups as it includes a bunch of nonfree stuff by default i might have to check it out | 23:25 |
| mikegriffin | in any case, thanks a ton for the advice, you have just given me the info i needed to say scren d-r-u | 23:26 |
| mikegriffin | /en/ew/ | 23:26 |
| crimsun | i'm unconcerned with how well distros compete; i deal with plumbing in various distros | 23:26 |
| mikegriffin | i was also told the pkg manager is decent, not sure what it is however | 23:27 |
| mikegriffin | something about integration with the browser or something along those lines | 23:27 |
| crimsun | resolution doesn't match aptitude at all for my uses | 23:27 |
| mikegriffin | you dont know any dpkg developers do you, i have a ton of feature requests :P | 23:28 |
| crimsun | i recommend you check the deity mailing list | 23:29 |
| crimsun | and, of course, BTS | 23:29 |
| mikegriffin | happy new year #ubuntu+1 | 23:30 |
| jianfei | yes | 23:39 |
| mikegriffin | crimsun: i have had one glibc issue so far, apt-get clean fixed it but it reminded me to dpkg -P a few things and deborphan | apt-get remove --purge -y a few times | 23:45 |
| mikegriffin | my mistake, i thought i fixed it | 23:47 |
| mikegriffin | something about cross dependencies it would seem, a deadlock basically | 23:51 |
| mikegriffin | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6 | 23:51 |
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