[00:14] Anyway, it works nicely (and less glitchily than the Creative card); those things are just curiosities. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:07] greetings, there seems to be a bit of a logic error in 9.04 alpha 2 that keeps the liveCD login in an infinite loop. I should be able to work around it if someone knows the default users "ubuntu" password [03:07] that is, the username is ubuntu, but i can’t locate the password [03:08] The password should be empty. [03:09] hmm [03:09] good idea [03:09] but i’m in an infinite loop of being kicked back to the login [03:09] prompt that is [03:11] this is the first time in a long time that i’ve even seen the login prompt when booting a liveCD [03:12] andersk: based on what you said it seems like this is a more significant error than i thought [03:27] AltiusBimm, you can install intrepid and upgrade to jaunty, or try alpha1 [06:29] Hello, just wondering, anyone else having trouble with fglrx? === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [14:26] is anyone else getting the strange bug that causes link focus to flicker wildly in firefox? [14:26] nope [14:26] yup [14:27] with compiz enable? [14:27] only on some links, not all [14:27] yes, compiz is enabled [14:27] my compiz is off [14:27] let me guess: bug 132065 [14:27] Launchpad bug 132065 in mesa "screen stops refreshing after rotating screen when running compiz fusion" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132065 [14:27] aggrr [14:27] not that... copy paste FAIL [14:28] I'm using a thinkpad though [14:28] I has a touchpoint thingy [14:28] bug 269904 [14:28] Launchpad bug 269904 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 "Screen refresh problems with nvidia on intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269904 [14:28] Not it, I have a intel x4500HD [14:28] ATI here [14:29] I just upgraded to jaunty testing via synaptic, i WAS occasionally getting this before [14:29] but before it wasnt in the pages [14:29] instead , latest highlites would go nuts [14:30] as if I was hovering over it a hundred times a second [14:30] and when I put my mouse on it it calmed down [14:30] it just did it again. [14:30] what, can this thing read my MIND [14:40] why does pidgin take up 41 mb of ram [14:40] and firefox 108 [15:06] never dist upgrade with synpatic or apt-get dist-upgrade [15:06] use update-manager -d [15:06] besides X is broken [15:08] I always update by packages with synaptic [15:08] if I've broken something by doing that how do I fix it [15:09] terli: is something broken? if so, what? [15:10] I don't think anything is [15:10] ok [15:10] but there is a bug in firefox as stated above [15:10] and another bug [15:10] usually try apt-get -f install [15:10] with the jaunty, on shutdown, does your video card flicker a page of glyphs occasionally? [15:11] i haven't hardly used jaunty yet. but i don't think i've noticed that [15:12] its very fast [15:12] its probably just my card [15:12] i'll try to watch closely [15:12] terli: its not the correct way to dist upgrade on ubuntu [15:12] but yeah, might just be your card [15:12] you will lose the Policies! [15:12] Bugabundo : how do I fix the policies [15:13] plus will install packages that are still fully builtd [15:13] terli: please use TAB key for nick autocomplete! [15:13] X is broken? [15:13] terli: you will have to ask some DEV... I have no idea on how to fix policies after a (force) distupgrade [15:13] BUGabundo: I didn't force it [15:14] onetinsoldier: hell not X... but the nvidia support for it1 [15:14] I changed the apt list to specify jaunty [15:14] if my X gets broken , I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine! [15:14] can't use Proprietary driver [15:14] and then I upgraded by the packages [15:14] terli: as I said THAT is not the proper way! [15:14] update-manager -d is! [15:15] didn't you read the wiki page before upgrading?!?! [15:16] AND what inside of update manager provides that [15:16] mine always crashed [15:16] if you don't even know how it works then don't tell me to use it [15:19] terli: then you have a faulty install or a broken package! UM is quite stable (well at least until last weekend) [15:19] sundenly it started to open twice! [15:19] what is UM [15:19] terli: don't be rude! I'm providing you with information [15:19] actually, your spilling hocus pocus [15:20] that you can and SHOULD have read on the upgrade and testing wikis [15:20] UM=update-manager [15:20] update manager < aptitude dist-upgrade -fy [15:20] ask any dev [15:20] you can't use an update manager on the command line [15:20] I'm sorry terli [15:21] if you don't want my intel, then don't I'll shut up and leave you in the dark. good bye [15:21] you cant fix it anyway [15:21] last reply: do-release-upgrade from CLI [15:21] finally [15:21] * BUGabundo some users are really rude! [15:22] Checking for a new ubuntu release [15:22] current dist not found in meta-release file [15:22] No new release found [15:22] do-release-upgrade -d -m desktop [15:22] Checking for a new ubuntu release [15:22] No new release found [15:22] happy? [15:23] YOU ARE ALREADY ON JAUNTY duh [15:23] right [15:23] of course there is no NEXT version [15:23] try that on hardy/ibex [15:23] so how is it supposed to fix what I did with synaptic? [15:24] look at broken filter [15:24] maybe it shows you something [15:24] there are no broken packages. [15:24] other then that email ubuntu-devel-discuss [15:25] terli: what version of policykit do you have installed? [15:25] how do I check? [15:25] does it come with the .deb for same? [15:25] dpkg -l policykit [15:25] * BUGabundo acknolages there aint many policy changes (yet) from ibex [15:25] terli: have a look at Missing Recomends filter too [15:26] 0.9-1ubuntu3 [15:26] apt-cache policy policikit [15:26] apt-cache policy policykit [15:26] will show all that you need [15:26] Installed: 0.9-1ubuntu3 Candidate: 0.9-1ubuntu3 [15:27] plus the mirror you used, in case it lags behind [15:27] looks like the right version. doesn't necessarily mean it configured correctly though i reckon [15:27] I forget the correct command to go in and reconfigure all my packages [15:28] sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a [15:28] something like dpkg-reconfigure -phigh [15:28] there are a lot of missing recommends [15:28] all of them packages I removed [15:28] so no problems there [15:28] behare of what you install now! [15:28] or... dpkg --configure blah blah [15:28] not all are REALLY necessary [15:29] BUGabundo: where is this wiki at? [15:29] terli: go to Status filter and clean most of your Residual [15:29] * BUGabundo checks [15:29] I cleaned residual to the wall [15:29] !upgrade [15:29] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [15:30] i don't have any issue myself.. i installed jaunty from installer cd [15:30] !testing [15:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about testing [15:30] !jaunty [15:30] Jaunty Jackalope is the code for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - Lots of breakage between now and April -Please join #ubuntu+1 for discussion [15:30] * BUGabundo wonders what the testing wiki URL is [15:31] onetinsoldier: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing | Reports: http://qa.ubuntu.com [15:31] thank you [15:33] onetinsoldier: terli: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview [15:34] I wanna test the multi-cursor thingy [15:34] check "Known Issues" [15:34] terli: you own a macbook? [15:35] no [15:35] I own a thinkpad [15:35] and I have a wacom tablet [15:35] does it have suport for multi finger? [15:35] will the 2.6.28 kernel make it into Jaunty and include ext4 support for installation? [15:35] I have a wacom tablet and a mouse, just two sources. [15:35] xxploit: let me check LP bug for that [15:35] two is all I want, too. [15:35] !ext4 [15:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about ext4 [15:36] xxploit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/293465 [15:36] Ubuntu bug 293465 in grub "make ext4 as the primary filesystem for GNU/Linux" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [15:36] !linux [15:36] Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux [15:36] !kernel [15:36] The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - See also: /msg ubottu stages [15:36] !package linux [15:36] Sorry, I don't know anything about package linux [15:36] how does one check the current version of a package? [15:38] dpkg -l [15:38] onetinsoldier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/308410 [15:38] Ubuntu bug 308410 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Latest Xorg removes nvidia driver ... conflicting xserver-xorg-video-4" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:38] dpkg -l [15:38] no... for the bot [15:40] oh [15:41] !info xserver-xorg [15:41] xserver-xorg (source: xorg): the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.4~5ubuntu4 (jaunty), package size 189 kB, installed size 648 kB [15:41] ahhh info! thanks [15:41] you're welcome [15:41] !info linux [15:41] 2.6.28-4.5 ? [15:42] you have to give the full name [15:42] looks like it [15:42] for instance.. on your system. do --> dpkg -l linux* | grep ^'ii' [15:42] but there is a package (metapackage) called linux [15:43] !info linux-backports-modules-jaunty [15:43] !info linux-generic [15:43] linux-generic (source: linux-meta): Complete Generic Linux kernel. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.27.7.11 (jaunty), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB [15:43] is anybody here able to install backports? [15:43] mine haven't install ever since I upgrade to jaunty [15:43] that version isn't jaunty version though [15:44] this is... linux-generic 2.6.28.4.4 [15:44] yeah [15:44] 2.6.28-4.5 is in the pipes. already being built [15:44] linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic 2.6.28-4.5 [15:44] how do I use multitouch [15:44] no idea terli [15:45] I mean, can I manually configure the seperate pointing thingies into xorg [15:46] ask on #ubuntu-x [18:40] has anyone else had any complete lockups recently in jaunty [18:41] ive now had 2 in the past 24 hours and i was wondering if anyone else had seen similar things [23:15] anyone familiar with do-release-upgrade, I am trying to upgrade from gutsy and end up on jaunty. it wants me to head toward hardy and wont even offer intrepid (tried -d and -m normal) [23:16] that's correct [23:16] i am going to just apt-get unless someone has ideas [23:16] mikegriffin: You need to upgrade in order [23:16] do-release-upgrade is a much more intelligent aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade [23:16] i dont use aptitude, is it special or just apt-get [23:17] aptitude tries harder when resolving dependencies [23:17] mikegriffin: you can´t jump from gutsy to jaunty. It really messes things up [23:17] actually you can, but it's highly not recommended [23:17] you _will_ have to correct things manually [23:17] but im lazy.. i installed gutsy in like 10/2006 to not have to upgrade for a while and here we are [23:18] OTOH, if you're very comfortable doing manual dependency resolution, then you know the drill... [23:18] crimsun: im ok with that, is do-release-upgrade useful in this case or just do it manually [23:18] i was trying to do things the ubuntu way instead of using my old debian habbits [23:18] mikegriffin: d-r-u requires you to dist-upgrade in steps [23:18] meh, wish me luck [23:18] anyone care for results or is this too one off [23:18] it works. i tried it yesterday. [23:19] im sure it does, dpkg isn't dumb [23:19] then again, i did have to correct a craptonne of stuff by hand. [23:19] if you're not comfortable regenerating your initramfs, reconfiguring udev, alsa*, *desktop, etc., then i recommend you do it the ubuntu way [23:19] thats not going to be a problem [23:20] you need to know how to trick dkms and libc6 [23:20] that last bit can be problematic. i recommend you have a live cd/desktop image ready to go. [23:21] also, dpkg isn't the issue. it's apt*. [23:21] dpkg is pretty dumb; it'll bomb =) [23:21] [i also have test harnesses that abuse the distribution upgrade process to specifically catch certain corner cases] [23:22] im using pretty standard hardware that is, again, over two years old i doubt i will have to jack with dkms or udev [23:22] i dont use *desktop (fluxbox) and i'll back up /etc. :P [23:22] ok, then you at least need a new kernel, or dpkg _will_ explode =) [23:23] alright thanks for the heads up, last question: [23:23] and in that case, you're completely screwed unless you have a live cd/desktop image [23:23] is juanty fairly stable at this point? like is bash updated daily or weekly [23:23] i have cd's and pxe [23:23] it's very stable for me, but i make hardware purchases based on how poorly stuff works so i can fix them [23:23] i'm not your avg use case [23:24] certain people find jaunty extremely unstable currently [23:24] mostly on topic: have you played with opensuse? i have heard newer versions can compete with ubuntu rather well [23:24] mainly users of various Nvidia/Fglrx/radeonhd/etc. [23:25] crimsun: not important this is a workstation [23:25] i have an openSUSE vm, yes [23:25] someone was saying that its pretty friendly for new setups as it includes a bunch of nonfree stuff by default i might have to check it out [23:26] in any case, thanks a ton for the advice, you have just given me the info i needed to say scren d-r-u [23:26] /en/ew/ [23:26] i'm unconcerned with how well distros compete; i deal with plumbing in various distros [23:27] i was also told the pkg manager is decent, not sure what it is however [23:27] something about integration with the browser or something along those lines [23:27] resolution doesn't match aptitude at all for my uses [23:28] you dont know any dpkg developers do you, i have a ton of feature requests :P [23:29] i recommend you check the deity mailing list [23:29] and, of course, BTS [23:30] happy new year #ubuntu+1 [23:39] yes [23:45] crimsun: i have had one glibc issue so far, apt-get clean fixed it but it reminded me to dpkg -P a few things and deborphan | apt-get remove --purge -y a few times [23:47] my mistake, i thought i fixed it [23:51] something about cross dependencies it would seem, a deadlock basically [23:51] E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6