[02:02] <Nafallo> anyone good with totem except seb, that isn't here?
[02:14] <Nafallo> I have a problem with bacon ;-)
[16:45] <cj> Nafallo: isn't benm good with totem?  I don't know whether he's on IRC anymore... I haven't seen him in a while...
[16:45] <Nafallo> cj: no idea, but the forums solved it. kind of.
[16:45] <cj> ah, what's the problem?
[16:46] <Nafallo> cj: not entirely sure... bug 283592
[16:49] <cj> Nafallo: sounds like a compiz interop problem, eh?
[16:49] <Nafallo> yea
[16:54]  * cj checks out V_2_24_3 tag
[16:54] <cj> I don't think I'll fix it for you, but I may be able to add some info to the bug for seb when he gets back from vacation
[16:56] <Nafallo> kewl :-)
[16:57] <cj> do you know whether you're using gst or xine?
[16:57] <Nafallo> gstreamer
[16:57] <Nafallo> I saw google results for the xine one as well though
[16:57] <cj> do you know how to use gdb?
[16:58] <Nafallo> cj: yea, but my computer got fixed, as documented in the bug report.
[16:58] <cj> ah, no repro any longer, eh?
[16:58] <cj> have you re-started your X session since the "fix"?
[16:59] <Nafallo> don't think so.
[16:59] <Nafallo> no idea
[16:59] <cj> gdm re-starts X when you log out or reboot
[16:59]  * Nafallo nods
[16:59] <Nafallo> I know
[17:00] <bluesmoke> Nafallo: Is this the "totem starts kind of fullscreen and kind of not" problem?
[17:00] <cj> okay.  I was confused by "no idea" :)
[17:00] <Nafallo> it was reproducable up until I did the steps documented.
[17:00] <cj> Iiiinteresting. Turn off compiz, start totem, stop fullscreen, unmaximise, close totem, turn on compiz, start totem, VOILA!
[17:00] <Nafallo> bluesmoke: you could say that, even if that's a non true description. it's fullscreen.
[17:01] <Nafallo> cj: yea. that's the fix :-P
[17:01] <Nafallo> it's like... magic
[17:01] <bluesmoke> Is it fullscreen but shows the non-fullscreen GUI (and the fullscreen GUI too)
[17:01] <cj> (past tense now)
[17:02] <Nafallo> bluesmoke: ah. yea. I thought those were toggleable in usual fullscreen. apparently they aren't.
[17:02] <bluesmoke> It's like...totam requests a window size larger than the screen, only gets the size of the screen allocated to it, then the wine compatibility stuff says "look, a window trying to be the size of the screen, that must be WINE running a fullscreen game" and makes it a fullscreen window
[17:03] <cj> oh, wow.  this is deep magic.
[17:03] <Nafallo> ehrm... this bug is Windows fault! :-P
[17:03] <cj> sounds like the wine compat stuff needs to do a bit more process research before it makes these assumptions
[17:04] <Amaranth> I know Danny was really interested in finding a way to reproduce this bug
[17:04] <Amaranth> cj: It's not just for WINE, it's for all legacy apps that were made before we had a fullscreen window hint
[17:04] <Nafallo> Amaranth: I did like... nothing. is just turned up one morning
[17:04] <Amaranth> Nafallo: I know, it happens that way to me too
[17:04] <cj> Amaranth: in that case it doesn't sound so easy..
[17:05] <cj> maybe tell totem to check max screen size before requesting one...
[17:05] <Nafallo> the "fix" in itself is just... WTF material
[17:05] <Amaranth> Or figure out why compiz and metacity have similar code for handling this case but metacity doesn't have this problem :P
[17:05] <Amaranth> That could take some time
[17:06] <cj> that reminds me... has hp crawled out of the quagmire of management in the last year?
[17:07] <Amaranth> Which hp are you talking about? :P
[17:07] <cj> the one that wrote metacity
[17:07] <Amaranth> Ah
[17:08] <Amaranth> He is working on gnome-shell, I think
[17:08] <cj> I guess so...
[17:08] <cj> 17:08 [gimp] -!-  idle     : 0 days 14 hours 11 mins 14 secs [signon: Mon Dec
[17:09] <Amaranth> Since gnome-shell is taking the core window management bits of metacity, hooking them up to spidermonkey, and creating a window manager and panel and such on top in javascript and clutter
[17:09] <Amaranth> And he was working on using clutter in metacity
[17:10] <cj> that sounds fun
[17:10] <walters> hp is working on a custom product, he hasn't done anything on gnome-shell
[17:10] <Amaranth> I thought for sure that's what all his research was leading up to
[17:11] <walters> he works for http://litl.com
[17:11] <Amaranth> works for? I thought that was his company
[17:11] <cj> huh?  what happened to redhat?
[17:11] <walters> he left a while ago
[17:11] <cj> I'm so out of the loop
[17:12] <walters> (when i say hasn't done anything on gnome-shell, i mean on that itself, obviously he did a massive amount of stuff in metacity, the spidermonkey bindings we're using, GTK+ core, clutter, etc.)