[00:05] <Tm_T> it's thursday
[00:15]  * NCommander notes no one said yes to sponsoring ;.;
[05:09] <ScottK> Happy New Year from -0500
[05:30] <NCommander> ScottK, I am committing the kdeplasma changes now
[05:31] <NCommander> ScottK, committed
[06:09] <nixternal> Happy New Year!
[06:10] <nixternal> and what a boring new year it is^was
[06:10] <crimsun> i hear there are some main packages you can sponsor if you're truly bored
[06:11] <nixternal> I bet there are
[06:11] <crimsun> thankfully none are mine =)
[06:11] <nixternal> and none are mine, as I don't have any email telling me about them
[06:23] <nhandler> nixternal: Just watch Blue Man group on tv
[06:24] <nixternal> seeing as I live fairly close to their base and have seen them live way to many times, I will pass :)
[06:26] <NCommander> nixternal, feel like sponsoring another ARM fix?
[06:30] <nixternal> nhandler: ahhh, they are on nbc5 :)  now I know why you said that
[06:32] <nhandler> nixternal: They have been on all night
[06:33] <nhandler> NCommander: Stop working and enjoy the holiday ;)
[06:33] <NCommander> Meh, if you know what my holidays were like, this is "enjoying" it
[06:34]  * nhandler did his REVU work earlier today so he could relax now
[06:34]  * NCommander is actually hacking on dak ATM
[06:35] <NCommander> The ARM fix was done for awhile, I just didn't commit it
[06:35] <Hobbsee> NCommander: presumably we need to set something on fire, so you'd start working instead?
[06:36] <NCommander> Hobbsee, that's the day job
[06:36] <NCommander> or it was
[06:38] <crimsun> (yeah, that's why i do *buntu in my spare time)
[06:38] <NCommander> o_o?
[06:39] <nixternal> I want my old day job back!
[06:39] <nhandler> NCommander: Want to fix up X so I can use my jaunty machine again?
[06:39] <crimsun> err, instead of cleversafe?
[06:39] <nixternal> the one where I used to spend all of my time working on Kubuntu and KDE, and dabbled in Foresight and other FOSS projects
[06:40] <crimsun> nixternal: cough canonical cough
[06:40] <nixternal> the one where I made crimsun sponsor all of my packages for 2 years because I didn't want to be a MOTU or Core Dev
[06:40] <NCommander> nixternal, you worked for Canonical?
[06:40] <nixternal> nope
[06:40] <crimsun> ah dangit, those days?
[06:40] <nixternal> haha, yup those days
[06:40] <nixternal> the time was 2005, and I didn't want to leave this place
[06:41] <NCommander> crimsun, where you one of the DDs Mark pulled from Debian?
[06:41] <nixternal> heh, I only become a MOTU and Core Dev within the last, not even a, year
[06:41] <crimsun> NCommander: no
[06:41] <NCommander> oh
[06:42] <nhandler> nixternal: I know you became a core dev earlier this year, but I thought you were a MOTU a while ago
[06:42] <nixternal> nhandler: nope, I didn't want to go through all of the mumbo jumbo...I was kind of rebelling against stuff :)
[06:43] <nixternal> I was one of those "F Ubuntu with their Kubuntu and KDE is a second class citizen" attitude
[06:43]  * nhandler was rebelling against Kubuntu and KDE up until a few weeks ago
[06:43] <crimsun> ~motu lists rich as 2007-06-27
[06:43] <nixternal> really?
[06:44] <nixternal> damn, I thought I did that in 2008
[06:44] <nhandler> That is almost a year before core-dev
[06:44] <nixternal> wow, impressive
[06:44] <nixternal> so I went about 2 years before doing MOTU
[06:44] <nixternal> had to get all of them cycles under my belt
[06:44]  * NCommander is just coming up on six months
[06:44] <nixternal> oh, and I hated the fact I had to have an LP account to work on stuff too
[06:44] <nhandler> core-dev 2008-06-19
[06:45] <nixternal> its funny, I got core-dev and ended up doing more MOTU stuff...weird
[06:46] <nhandler> BRB
[06:46] <nixternal> the good ol' days, well before Hobbsee had that damn stick, imbrandon and I were doing buntudot, and I was sneaking stuff to warren over at mepis
[06:47] <crimsun> Hobbsee has always had that stick, tho'
[06:47] <nixternal> not always, there were a few months where she was stickless
[06:47] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:48] <nixternal> she got the stick when she became the "Kubuntu Community Organizer"
[06:48] <crimsun> we sound like old fogeys
[06:49] <nixternal> ya we do, but things were so much more peaceful back then...didn't have this KDE 3 vs. KDE 4 thing going on, everyone loved us and hated Ubuntu for treating us poorly...good times :p
[06:49] <nixternal> not everyone, just those 4 users we had :p
[06:50]  * NCommander finds nixternal flashing back to be quite educational
[06:50] <crimsun> actually, i think people were incensed over kubuntu not having decent printing, and not ubuntu
[06:50] <crimsun> the assumption was "oh, printing's broken in gnome"
[06:51] <nixternal> or sound :p
[06:51] <crimsun> i remember some shrugging off broken ubuntu printing but being spectacularly miffed at kubuntu, because linux-mandrake had decent printing.
[06:51] <crimsun> or something.
[06:52] <nixternal> I was never attacked by a printing bug as I always used decent HP products
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ubuntu printing was magic, compared to kubuntu's
[06:52] <crimsun> (and to that end, printing has drastically improved since those days. dapper?)
[06:52] <nixternal> and since HP and Apple do most, if not all, of the cups work, I was safe
[06:52] <Hobbsee> i was so amazed, when I switched over to ubuntu
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ie, gutsy
[06:53] <nixternal> ya, we were amazed when you switched over as well :p
[06:53] <NCommander> I never was affected by it
[06:53]  * NCommander doesn't print
[06:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:53] <NCommander> :-)
[06:53] <NCommander> Hobbsee, was that good magic or bad magic?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> NCommander: in the kubuntu stuff, you have to know what type of printer it is, although you can scan for it.  ubuntu's just detects the printers, you click which one you want to add (in the case of network printers), and it adds it, with all the correct settings.
[06:54] <NCommander> O_o;
[06:54] <NCommander> That's never been an issue for me
[06:54]  * Hobbsee always manually had to turn on double sided printing
[06:54] <NCommander> At least when I used to KDE 3
[06:54] <Hobbsee> in kubuntu
[06:54] <NCommander> It worked beautifully on BS- oh
[06:55] <nixternal> its funny...I was looking at the 5-a-day applet and how much code it took in order to create that, then I messed around with python and plasma, and in an hours time I had something that worked almost as well, and with very little code
[06:55] <nixternal> rather hackish, but it worked and was quick
[06:55] <NCommander> nixternal, Qt is rather hackish
[06:55]  * NCommander has discovered that the hard way
[06:55] <nixternal> and gtk isn't?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> i expect it was stuff like network printing, and all that sort of thing, that was more the headache.  But that's what I use, all the time, so... ;)
[06:55] <NCommander> nixternal, gtk's hacks don't change randomly from platform to platform
[06:55] <nixternal> for qt being rather hackish, it is still better than the other gui toolkits I have used
[06:55] <nixternal> except for swt :p
[06:56] <NCommander> Qt isn't bad
[06:56] <NCommander> Although I wish it was possible to use po files without doing something evil
[06:56] <nixternal> how so?
[06:56] <NCommander> Gtk has better tools, but a worse API (better docs though)
[06:56] <NCommander> So I don't need to implement some awful hack so Qt can work with Rosetta :-)
[06:57] <nixternal> one thing I have noticed between KDE/Qt and GNOME/Gtk, are the quality of docs...KDE/Qt do suck pretty bad
[06:57] <NCommander> Thank you!
[06:57] <NCommander> someone else who said it!
[06:57] <nixternal> ahh, Rosetta...nuff said
[06:57] <NCommander> I personally don't care how nice the enviornent your programming for is
[06:57] <NCommander> Its shit if the docs suck.
[06:57] <NCommander> Ergo, win32 programming is better than Qt
[06:57] <nixternal> what I really hate, is trying to get examples from docs
[06:57]  * NCommander runs
[06:58] <NCommander> I jest of course
[06:58] <NCommander> But MSDN is probably the best developer docs ever.
[06:58] <NCommander> Of all time
[06:58] <nixternal> ya, but that is because they have a team of just over 500 people who are paid nicely to work on them
[06:59] <nixternal> I tried getting on that team when I worked for Microsoft because I knew it was a better way in that working in the department I was in at the time
[06:59] <NCommander> you worked for Microsoft?
[06:59] <nixternal> yup
[06:59] <NCommander> I assume you weren't on a team that worked with the Windows core, lest your programming skills be drained
[06:59] <nixternal> no, I worked in their "Open Source" division
[07:00] <nixternal> though most of the time we spent working on .NUT
[07:00] <NCommander> What, MFC?
[07:00] <nhandler> They have an Open Source division?
[07:00] <NCommander> MFC is the only major library from Microsoft that comes with source
[07:00] <nixternal> *had*
[07:00] <NCommander> (well, that ATL, and CRT)
[07:00] <nixternal> no, the Open Source division back then ensured that idiots running Linux had a hard time working on a MS Network
[07:00] <nixternal> :p
[07:00] <NCommander> ATL isn't horrible if you can stomach C++ templates
[07:01] <NCommander> MFC is a load of crack however
[07:01] <nixternal> all of the MS stuff is a load of crack
[07:01] <NCommander> IE's plugin interface
[07:01] <NCommander> OnClick2 and OnClick3
[07:01] <NCommander> 'nuf said
[07:02] <nixternal> the nice thing about working at MIcrosoft though, I got to use Linux :)
[07:02] <nixternal> I started working in Kubuntu from Microsoft actually
[07:02] <NCommander> That sounds wrong and horrible
[07:02] <nhandler> nixternal: Lucky. When I did work for Microsoft, I got to use vista :(
[07:02] <nixternal> that was nice though, as I have never in my life had to depend on microsoft
[07:02]  * NCommander would like to see Windows CE actually released as open source
[07:03] <NCommander> Windows CE - great design, horrible UI.
[07:03] <nixternal> my first computer that I bought was in 1993 and winblows 3.x didn't work at all on it, so I searched on fixes and came across slackware, and the rest is history
[07:03] <nixternal> I have windows, but that is to only play call of duty
[07:04] <NCommander> I ha^W found an open IRIX box on my dad's network
[07:04] <NCommander> I later installed FreeBSD 2.2 that year
[07:04]  * NCommander ran OS/2 before that
[07:04] <NCommander> 29 floppies
[07:04]  * NCommander ran Windows NT 4.0 before that.
[07:05] <nixternal> the families first computer was 1979, mom worked for Comdisco and Sperry...it was an old unix box that made no sense until around 1986
[07:06] <nixternal> then we did the typical 1980s style geek stuff:  TRS-80 -> Atari 2600 -> Commodore Vic 20 -> Commodore 64 -> some old TI box -> 286 -> 386 -> 486 -> Pentium 133 that I bought, and then a butt load more after that
[07:07] <nixternal> had a couple of old sun boxes to back in the late 80s somewhere in between that whole 286 ... 486 mess
[07:10] <NCommander> sparc's are nice
[07:13] <DaSkreech> sparks are not
[07:14] <nhandler> Night everyone
[07:15] <DaSkreech> night
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Good $TIME_OF_DAY
[10:01] <NightMAn> hi
[10:02] <NightMAn> people I need your help
[10:02] <NightMAn> Is there anybody her?
[10:03] <NightMAn> here
[10:06] <Hobbsee> possibly
[10:08] <NightMAn> I had windows and Kubuntu installed on my computer. Then I reinstalled windows and now I cant run Kubuntu
[10:09] <jussi01> NightMAn: support is in #kubuntu
[10:27]  * jussi01 waves to Hobbsee
[10:37] <Hobbsee> hey jussi01!
[11:57] <buz> is there any known breakage with kopete in the 4.2beta ppa? since this morning, it does not show my configured accounts anymore
[11:58] <buz> not with a kopete settings restored from backups
[11:58] <buz> (either)
[13:50] <freeflying> one file in koofice-data-kde4 from ppa for intrepid will overwrite the one in kde-icons-oxygen
[13:52] <apachelogger> happens
[13:52] <apachelogger> that said
[13:52]  * apachelogger should continue packaging
[16:04] <vorian> HAPPY NEW YEAR KUBUNTU!
[16:07] <apachelogger> vorian: HNY
[16:07] <vorian> same to you apachelogger
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> hola dudes\
[16:14] <nhandler> Hey JontheEchidna
[16:14] <nhandler> Happy new year
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[16:18] <apachelogger> oh nice, the wiki mainpage looks like crap now
[16:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:19] <apachelogger> HNY JontheEchidna and nhandler
[16:19] <nhandler> aty al
[16:19] <apachelogger> NCommander: ping
[16:20] <vorian> hoi JontheEchidna nhandler :)
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> \o
[16:20] <nhandler> Hey vor	
[16:20] <vorian> ohmy
[16:21] <nhandler> Yeah, that did not show up right
[16:23] <NCommander> apachelogger, ICMP echo
[16:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ they are obviously discriminating xubuntu and since I don't know whom to poke in the eyes for that I will leave it to you :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams is it just me or are the distro logos on that page incredibly blurry?
[16:33] <apachelogger> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3228
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> looks more like KDE3 with the transparency setting
[16:44] <apachelogger> the comments are awesome
[16:45] <apachelogger> proofs the rule: "don't listen to people who don't know why neither KDE nor GNOME is a WM"
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> wow, 1GB of updates to get to jaunty
[17:27]  * JontheEchidna wonders how long that will take
[17:28] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: That's a horrible comment system
[18:56] <jussi01> hey everyone, Im being incredibly lazy, but can someone point me to a link or explain what the DVD has extra on top of the cd?
[18:57] <DaSkreech> jussi01: all of kubuntu ubuntu and xubuntu with all of the Main repos
[18:58] <jussi01> ahh, thanks
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> http://i42.tinypic.com/hs00hx.jpg , lol
[19:34] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: So, where do I buy that battery :P
[19:35] <JontheEchidna> :P
[19:35] <DaSkreech> Does it grow a tail?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> what does the powerdevil say about its power level?
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> IT'S OVER 9000!11!
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Ha ha ha
[19:37] <DaSkreech> God that cartoon sucked :)
[19:37] <DaSkreech> At least the Movie will be worse :)
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> It is entirely possible I have been a Kubuntero for too long :P
[19:49] <NCommander> apachelogger, feel like sponsoring kdeplasma-addons?
[19:59] <jjesse> its funny konverstation (kde3) notifies me through the On Screen Display of every channel but this one
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: right click on the channel tab and make sure notifications are turned on
[20:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: building qt4 right now
[20:24] <NCommander> ok
[20:24] <apachelogger> can take a look at it though
[20:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: did you upload to a PPA?
[20:26] <NCommander> Can't upload ATM
[20:26]  * NCommander is on dial up
[20:27] <apachelogger> oh, qt FTBFS anyway
[20:31] <apachelogger> NCommander: did you forward to upstream?
[20:57] <neversfelde> happy new year :)
[21:17] <ScottK> NCommander: I can do it.
[21:17] <NCommander> ScottK, its in the Bazaar repo
[21:18] <ScottK> K.  Looking for it now.
[21:18] <ScottK> I've been thinking maybe we should have a universe-plasmoid meta package.
[21:19] <ScottK> NCommander: Looks like apachelogger already uploaded kdeplasma-addons
[21:20] <NCommander> oh
[21:20] <ScottK> NCommander: Was there another one?
[21:20] <NCommander> Nope
[21:20] <NCommander> I can't check my email here
[21:20] <ScottK> OK.  Cool.
[21:21] <ScottK> NCommander: That's everything except kdebluetooth, right?
[21:22] <ScottK> Which, afaik is still pretty pointless to worry about.
[21:22] <NCommander> yeah
[21:22] <ScottK> Kewl.
[21:23] <ScottK> Probably time to update kubuntu-meta then after that's built.  Last time I checked there was a lot of new stuff available for armel.
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> yay for kubuntu on arm
[21:25] <ScottK> Yay for NCommander fixing it.
[21:26] <NCommander> ScottK, we shold probably have kdebluetooth fixed before hand
[21:26] <ScottK> hand?
[21:27] <NCommander> *beforehand
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> NCommander++
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> ~karma NCommander
[21:27] <kubotu> karma for NCommander: 2
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> ~karma kubotu
[21:28] <kubotu> kubotu has neutral karma
[21:28] <ScottK> NCommander: At this point kdebluetooth is equally useful on all arch, so no need to wait fixing up kubuntu-meta for armel.
[21:28] <ScottK> arch/archs
[21:29] <NCommander> fair enough
[21:29] <NCommander> yay!
[21:29] <NCommander> karma
[21:29] <ScottK> NCommander: Weren't you at least a little invovled in porting kdebluetooth at one point?
[21:29] <ScottK> Any chance you could check up on where we stand with it?
[21:31] <NCommander> I just talked a little with superm1 one it
[21:31] <NCommander> I can poke him on it I think
[21:31] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:24] <ScottK> kubuntu-meta uploaded so we now have a decently complete armel desktop.
[23:25] <Tm_T> <3
[23:25] <Tm_T> ScottK: means we have Kubuntu packaged for Freerunner now? (;)
[23:26] <ScottK> Ahh does it?  Dunno what arm version that has.
[23:27] <Tm_T> arm4/7
[23:28]  * ScottK also doesn't remember for sure which one Ubuntu builds for, but thinks it's later than that.
[23:28] <Tm_T> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Processor
[23:28] <Tm_T> ScottK: same arm is used in many other devices even today, so it's not "old"
[23:29] <Tm_T> ScottK: more info about that cpu: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Samsung_S3C2442B_B54
[23:32] <Tm_T> interesting
[23:33] <Tm_T> ARM920T
[23:42] <Tm_T> Canonical has also announced it will officially support ARM v7 (so not v4, bah)