[02:11] http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081230/NEWS01/81230011 [02:25] JontheEchidna: i read that as man jumps out of a 72 story building and extinguishes fire [02:26] lol [02:26] me too at first [02:26] i was like, at least he went out as a hero [02:26] must be like Rambo's dad or something [02:26] eeew [02:26] batavia ny [02:27] that's the half way point 'tween buffalo and rochester [02:27] i didn't think they had two story buildings there [02:28] omg [02:28] algore was right [02:28] http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=A2&Date=20090101&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=901010327&Ref=AR === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:33] ...why is there a .dll extension in that url? Can you really program websites that use dll-type crap? [02:33] that makes my sad v.v [02:33] hehe [02:48] I can never get more than 30 kB/s with archive.ubuntu.com... [02:48] for very long [02:49] 49% [209 lokalize 363911/571kB 63%] 25.3kB/s 2h20min8s [02:49] just created a jaunty vm and kontact is not installed by default? [02:50] jjesse: it was kicked off the seed at the last minute for alpha2 due to cd size restrictions, its removal shouldn't be permanent [02:51] JontheEchidna: cool thanks, seems like a lot of extra packages get installed with sudo apt-get install kontact [02:58] oi oi...gone back to using urxvt...lookin' secksi [02:58] though I must admin the refresh is a little slow for some reason, but I won't blame that on urxvt as much as I will on "yet another KDE 4 memory leak" [02:58] s/admin/admit [03:22] nixternal: your urxvt looks great! [03:23] almost how it looked about 10+ years ago [03:23] i like your app launcher too :) [03:24] would be nice to get it as a default [03:24] ya, someone put it on kde-look.org [03:41] hotness [03:42] moto moto [03:48] Am I the only person who doesn' have dolphin's view move with the selection ? === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [04:24] DaSkreech: Nope, it doesn't move for me either. 4.1.85 on Kubuntu Jaunty here [05:08] That sucks [05:42] jaunty upgrade went smoothly [05:42] only ran in to 2 overwrite bugs and a python bug that I could all easily work around [05:43] How's the Jackalope? [05:43] plus... X works (after I pinned old versions of the nvidia driver plus xserver-core) [05:43] s/after/since [05:44] * DaSkreech throws penguin eggs at X [05:44] * NCommander yawns [05:45] Finally back home [05:45] and KDE is (mostly) working on ARM [05:45] * JontheEchidna goes to bed now [05:45] :-P [05:46] * NCommander is taking a look at fixing KDE bluetooth [05:52] KDE 4.2 is nice ... [05:56] wow, kbluetooth is REALLY broken [05:57] and quite dead upstream ... [05:58] Yep [05:58] If you start massaging it upstream you'll probably get a few other distros jumping in [05:58] No one really wants it broken [06:01] JontheEchidna: got fixes for the overwrite bugs? [06:01] DaSkreech, its bitrotten to the point of unusability [06:01] NCommander: How bad? Scorched earth bad? [06:02] Referencing non-existant Solid APIs, and the binaries segfault on jaunty [06:02] and its doing the referencing form moc files it seems [06:02] so yeah [06:02] its bad [06:05] solid's bluetooth stack is a load of fail ATM [06:05] Half of its commented out ... [06:05] DId we do that, or is that upstreams doing [06:09] NCommander: Check it against trunk [06:09] I'm checking [06:09] this code doesn't even look similar to trunk ... [06:09] Please don't tell me it's better [06:12] oh [06:12] this is ugly [06:12] I think solid's maintainer disappeared [06:12] a large changeset was committed to solid's Bluetooth API [06:12] which broke the build [06:12] so the vast majority of the API is commented out .... [06:13] What? Solid can't be dead I heard someone blogging it less than 2 months ago [06:13] Which was the time these changes were made. [06:13] 8 weeks ago [06:15] Fixing kdebluetooth means descrewing solid [06:15] It's not going to be a quick hackjob ... [06:16] * NCommander notes its probably easier or saner to simply port the GNOME bluetooth app [06:18] NCommander: there is nothing to descrew in solid [06:18] Care to explain why the vast majority of bluetooth APIs are descrewed with commit messages "Fixing API breakage"? [06:18] apachelogger, ^ [06:19] *shrug* [06:19] s/descrewed/commented out/g [06:19] I pinged one of the maintainer of this code on IRC< maybe I can know what if any plans are [06:19] DaSkreech: bluetooth is no maintained by ervin [06:19] But its not an Ubuntu specific issue [06:20] Is no maintained? [06:20] *not [06:20] I think he meant not [06:20] * apachelogger only got up after 4 hours of sleep :P [06:20] apachelogger, what specificially is solid? [06:21] NCommander: hardware abstraction [06:21] Oh, I see. [06:21] * NCommander winces [06:21] Oh I thought that might be what he was saying but then you could replace ervin with any of 6 billion names so I didn't quite see the point [06:21] And notification [06:21] NCommander: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/apidocs/apidox-kde-4.1/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/index.html [06:21] So if the hardware changes Solid says what and why [06:21] Handy [06:22] The BlueZ 4 change broke the solid compile [06:22] so it looks like someone just commented out that entire block of code [06:22] It's essentially a KDE abstraction of the udev abstraction of the hardware abstraction layer [06:22] ETOOMANYLAYERSOFABSTRACTION [06:22] They had a KDEshirt that said that [06:23] Abstracted by the Abstract KDE abstraction library [06:23] -_-; [06:23] classic one [06:23] makes my heart smile [06:23] * apachelogger goes fix0ring bugs [06:23] fix solid :-) [06:23] * NCommander runs [06:24] one gone, 3 billion to go [06:24] apachelogger, your debugging Windows Vista? [06:24] NCommander: solid doesn't need fixing, only the bluez module [06:24] NCommander: no ubuntu :P [06:24] *solid-bluez [06:24] * apachelogger doesn't even have bluetooth to test with [06:25] and through kdt we always see where I get with theoretical implementations :P [06:26] How hard is it to get access to the SVN repo [06:26] ERANDOMQUESTION [06:27] basically you just need to request one [06:27] Where's the catch? [06:28] sysadmins are on vacation :P [06:28] so just like Debian then [06:28] :-) [06:28] ftp.kde.org is down for days now [06:29] I'm really suprisied no one has fixed this [06:29] since any distro shipping KDE has non-functional bluetooth [06:29] NCommander: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account [06:30] * NCommander gets that odd stupid feeling I'm not going to see Xfce for awhile [06:31] * NCommander caused a small scandle when I showed up at a Kubuntu meeting running Xubuntu [06:31] I should hope so [06:31] you did? [06:31] People were under this odd assumption that I actually use KDE :-P [06:31] where I drunk that meeting? [06:32] apachelogger, you weren't at UDS [06:32] oh [06:32] * apachelogger is nowhere [06:32] * NCommander is everywhere [06:32] not at UDS, not at camp KDE, not at linuxtag... [06:32] #kubuntu-devel - Where KDE and Zen Saying meet [06:33] * NCommander grabs the source package [06:35] ok Gotta stop listening to Depeche Mode [06:38] DaSkreech: how so? [06:38] By switching to a new band? [06:38] DaSkreech: hm, that could work [06:39] I'm on Aqualung now [06:39] not that I know that though [06:40] It's just an Extra Ordinary Thing [06:40] *nod* [06:40] oh dear, nc crashed [06:41] wb NCommander [06:41] thanks [06:41] * NCommander is mulling over his constitution [06:43] That this be true all men were created equal Unless they should be sent to Guantunamo Bay then maybe they were a litle less [07:09] apachelogger: Good night [07:09] nini DaSkreech [08:05] Oo [08:05] rosetta has one month import lag right now [08:20] Nightrose: btw, when do we get our nokia thingies? :P [08:42] apachelogger: do you have a minute to look at bug 312771 with your packaging guru hat on? [08:42] Launchpad bug 312771 in kdepim "libkpilot_akonadibase missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312771 [08:43] I did look at it [08:43] and decided to stop looking at it [08:43] I'v looked into it and I think it's just a missing entry in the kpilot.install file [08:43] well [08:43] ah, why? [08:43] Arby: do you have a list-missing from kdepim [08:43] the only references I found to that file is a .so in /usr/lib [08:44] somewhere yes, and I don't recall seeing it there [08:44] and I certainly don't hope it is a lib without soname [08:45] Arby: I would ask how he comes to the conclusion that that file is missing and that it being missing is responsible for the broken conduits [08:45] it gets compiled but not installed as far as I can see [08:45] home/richard/dev/cache/pbuilder/build/30041/tmp/buildd/kdepim-4.1.85/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkpilot_akonadibase.so [08:45] well [08:46] it does seem as if mandriva had the same bug a bit back [08:46] http://www.nabble.com/-Bug-45299--kdepim4,-NEW:-kpilot-requires-file-libkpilot_akonadibase.so-from-kdepim4-devel-p20162890.html [08:47] I think kpilot violates KDE's policy on lib install paths [08:49] Arby: add it to kpilot.install ... the lib is soname-less, even though it shouldn't be (which is the reason mandriva assumed it is a usual .so file for development and add it to their -devel and the reason we have it in our not-installed) [08:49] that said [08:49] Arby: remove it from the not-installed when you add it to kpilot.install [08:49] Arby: you can commit the change using --fixes lp:BUGNUMBER to link the branch to the bug [08:50] will do, what do you mean by soname-less? back to me and libs again :) [08:52] Arby: it doesn't have a versioning ... usually you would have .so.x.y.z .so.x .so files ... libkpilot_akonadibase only has a .so [08:52] ah ok I understand [08:52] if you remember... .so files usually are links to .so.x and .so.x is a link to .so.x.y.z [08:53] of course .so can't be a link to .so.x if the latter is not even existing ;-) [08:53] I remember [08:53] it was the definition of soname-less I was missing, I get it now [08:53] k [08:53] <3 broken tarballs [08:54] * Arby reaches for batbuild :) [08:54] -(~/src/choqok:$)-> ls -lah | grep tar [08:54] -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 45 2009-01-01 19:31 choqok.tar.gz [08:54] needless to say src/choqok is already the extracted source [08:55] recursive tarballs? [08:55] well, I think the dev is as good with taring stuff as I am ... so the first try to tar went wrong ;-) [08:56] which probably is a good reason to get himself a fine release script [08:56] which makes me think that my extragear release script needs a new layer of abstraction to make it useful for non-extragear apps [09:00] hooray for scripts [09:00] and automation in general [09:02] * apachelogger plays the moby [09:02] * Arby leaves kdepim to compile and goes in search of breakfast [09:08] todo: rewrite dh_make === kblizzzek is now known as blizzz === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [11:34] apachelogger: if I send you a debdiff for kdepim can you review and upload please? [11:42] sent [11:47] * jussi01 grumbles at annoying bugs that make the pc not boot [12:01] Arby: just push the kdepim branch [12:02] oh right we're doing it that way now [12:03] I just did apt-get source [12:03] apachelogger: is it possible for me to pull the branch, apply the diff and push back? [12:05] yes [12:07] * Arby looks up how to apply a diff in bzr [12:10] Arby: patch -p0 < debdiff? :P [12:10] if you say so :) [12:10] just one of the gazillions of things I've never needed to know [12:11] or patch -p1 < debdiff if you are in the main directory (the one with debian/) [12:11] apachelogger: where in the source tree do I need to be when I issue that^^? [12:11] ah that answers that [12:14] apachelogger: do I need a commit comment or are they automagically generated from the changelog? [12:16] Arby: debcommit -R should take care of that [12:23] apachelogger: done, thanks for the pointers [12:33] Arby: usually you should use UNRELEASED for distribution name to make it clear that these changes were not uploaded [12:33] change looking good otherwise [12:34] apachelogger: ok noted [12:46] apachelogger: Re:cdbs 0.4.52ubuntu10: you might want to consider testing for $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) being present instead as it's an override for QUILT_PATCHES supported by patchsys-quilt.mk [12:54] is the 64 bit flash plugin packaged for ubuntu yet? [12:54] I mean intrepid [12:58] indeed [12:58] Tm_T: it is? [12:58] jussi01: no, I have no idea about that [12:58] hehe [12:59] I was loudly thinking of Qt packaging [12:59] Tm_T: do you know where to put the libflashplayer.so for a manual install? [13:00] /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [13:00] ? [13:00] hrm, ok... [13:01] that's where it is here [13:01] but I'm on 32bit system [13:01] I think we need a patch for our current Qt [13:02] 0260-fix-qgraphicswidget-deletionclearFocus.diff [13:02] fixes some plasma crashes and stuff [14:06] apachelogger: one is that koffice2 one with the oxygen icons and one is one in libdrm2 with libdrm-intel1 or something [14:06] I thought koffice is fixed? [14:07] guess not [14:08] more information [14:09] lool: that var might not be set, or is it set by cdbs internally if none provided? [14:40] oh, there's an upgrade to koffice now [14:40] maybe it has been fixed :P [14:55] JontheEchidna: :o [14:55] i never got to test the beta packaging that fella did [14:55] 1:1.9.98.4-0ubuntu1 is wut I just got [14:56] Seems to install fine too :) [14:56] Tm_T: I added that patch to jaunty, never got around to preparing an SRU for Intrepid [15:21] * JontheEchidna cleans out old kernels [15:41] apachelogger: It might not be set; in which case it's sensible to default to debian/patches [15:42] Well $(CURDIR)/debian/patches rather [16:38] JontheEchidna: I see [16:57] vorian: yeah, we kind of skipped a beta :P [16:58] hehe [16:58] JontheEchidna, vorian: if someone feels like backporting... ;-) [16:58] I was having the baby and stuff [16:58] vorian: when? [16:58] not so sure, I still didn't see pix :P [16:58] ummm [16:58] 14th :) [16:59] grr, hold please :) [16:59] vorian: bah, I have 7-week old daughter here [16:59] lool: that means I need to find out how to create compound conditions :P [17:00] Tm_T: Congrats! [17:00] vorian, Tm_T: I hope they got names with at least one kay [17:01] mmm [17:01] gregory scott for me [17:02] apachelogger: last name has 3 [17:03] http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=51387&l=7435a&id=803693404 [17:03] had to find the wifes photos [17:03] as i broke her blog :o [17:03] Tm_T: perfect [17:03] vorian: also perfect :P [17:03] facebook is the slowest -.- [17:04] you'll also see the awesome present i got my wife.... [17:04] a backpack blower! [17:04] wahhh :D [17:04] most awesome [17:05] vorian: lovely baby as well [17:05] thanke [17:23] Hmm, so I should be able to port software-properties-kde over to KCM easily enough, but keeping its standalone functionality would be a bit more difficult... [17:23] Since its a dialog anyway maybe we could just change things to launch it in kcmshell :P [17:24] hrm... [17:34] Riddell: ping [17:36] apachelogger: Eh :) $(if $(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(CURDIR)/debian/patches) [17:36] that looks workaroundish :P [17:37] hey apachelogger & ScottK [17:37] apachelogger: It's cdbs-style: grep '\$(if ' /usr/share/cdbs -r | wc -l! [17:37] *nod* cdbs always was a big woraround :P [17:38] * lool notes down the quote [17:38] lool: wouldn't that only work within a target? [17:39] I don't think it works any less than $(wildcards ), but I'm sometimes proven wrong [17:40] maybe ifeq ($(if...)) [17:40] Or let's say regularly proven wrong, that's less presumptuous [17:40] apachelogger: Oh yes, I intended the above as a replacement of $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) in your expression [17:41] Not as a replacement of the ifeq [17:41] more sensible [17:41] * apachelogger tries [17:41] or not [17:41] I am out of diskspace [17:41] Oo [17:48] nixternal: What do you use to list all the mailboxes in a column in mutt? I always go 'c?' and then arrow around to change mine... [17:49] ryanakca: That is what I do too [17:49] JontheEchidna: can you take qt4.4.3 in intrepid? [17:49] you mean add the patch to the 4.4.3 packages in intrepid? [17:49] yes [17:50] so I can concentrate on 4.5 [17:50] yeah, I can. In the meantime you can use the packages in my ppa for intrepid if you really need the patch [17:51] afiestas: you pinged? [17:52] lool: doesn't work too well [17:52] Tm_T: you are doing 4.5? [17:52] b1? [17:52] yes [17:53] oh [17:53] and daily [17:53] apachelogger: You need to set DEB_PATCHDIRS before the include, is that what you mean? [17:53] * apachelogger was starting on it as well :P [17:53] apachelogger: (:) [17:53] apachelogger: Alternatively, you could also just mkdir debian/patches and forget about it :-P [17:54] you are confusing me :P === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [17:57] apachelogger: did you already check what patches should remain? [17:57] nope [17:57] Tm_T: from my point of view they all should go anyway [17:57] patches-- [17:58] Riddell: ya, you are the author of the kmix osd, right? [17:58] apachelogger: heh, maybe I make first package that way [17:58] afiestas: yes [17:59] I want fix the dualmonitor support on it, but maybe you can do it easily (since you wrote the code) [17:59] the are some small problems with the position if you have 2 monitors with different resolutions [17:59] afiestas: patches indeed welcome [18:00] apachelogger: hmm, should I do b1 or go directly to b1+daily ? [18:00] ook, I'll try to do it today [18:00] afiestas: you'd need to look at the 4.2 beta for the current code (which was actually committed by someone not me so might be a bit different) [18:00] Tm_T: I really think daily of Qt doesn't make too much sense [18:00] Riddell: I'm reading and using 4.2 so np [18:00] good luck afiestas [18:00] so, I should send the patch to you, or just in the mailist? [18:01] afiestas: me is fine [18:01] apachelogger: heh, might be so [18:01] oks, I'll, thx ! [18:20] someone have to instruct me with ppa at some point then [18:22] Tm_T: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA [18:22] thanks [18:22] that'll do it [18:24] apachelogger: hmm, beta1 would be 4.4.90 ? [18:24] Tm_T: 4.5~beta1 [18:25] ah, roger [18:28] rofl [18:29] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzHcbhGWNk [18:31] lmao [18:33] * apachelogger needs to become a super sing star dude [18:34] ryanakca: that is the mutt-patched package...it is called patch because it contains the patch for adding a mailbox list [18:36] nhandler: ^^ [18:36] nixternal: thanks [18:37] ~np [18:37] apachelogger is listening to "You're Wondering Now" by Amy Winehouse [Back to Black (Deluxe Edition), 2007] [18:37] ryanakca: I'm installing mutt-patched now ;) [18:37] ~np [18:37] NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago [18:37] -_-; [18:37] ~np [18:37] ryanakca listened to "Tout en haut de la France" by Quendi 16 minutes ago [18:37] heh :) [18:38] ~np [18:38] nhandler listened to "Good Time" by Alan Jackson [Good Time, 2008] 3 weeks ago [18:38] Oo [18:38] dood [18:38] 3 weeks? [18:38] Where is that from? last.fm? [18:38] aye [18:38] That is why. I haven't used last.f for a while [18:39] no good [18:40] * ryanakca cheers... looks like rounding is working / will work on the new wiki theme [18:41] * apachelogger sings about monkey men [18:51] ~np [18:51] Tm_T is listening to "Angel of Mercy" by Dire Straits [Communiqué, 2000] [18:51] bah [18:51] ~lastfm recenttracks [18:51] recenttracks for Tm_T: [18:51] Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Metallica – Merciful Fate, Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Mercyful Fate – Into the Coven [18:59] ~lastfm NCommander [18:59] NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago [18:59] oh wait [18:59] ~lastfm recenttracks [18:59] recenttracks for NCommander: [18:59] Mario – Sonikku Ganbatte!, Richter – Bring in the Machine, Sadorf – Aquatic Project, Aeolius – Apocalypric Orbital Ovum [18:59] Neat [19:01] does anyone here have a backlog of planet ubuntu in theirr feed reader? [19:08] * ryanakca wonders when he'll receive his ``Would you like to renew your Kubuntu membership'' email... only 5 days 'till expiry [19:09] ryanakca: you get one of them? [19:09] jussi01: so I'm told... [19:09] right then... :) [19:12] Should wiki.kubuntu.org keep a list of links (appearance: www.kubuntu.org, top right) with a search box, or go for a cleaner / less cluttered look with only a search box, like help.ubuntu.com/community/ ? [19:13] like help.ubuntu.com/community [19:15] jussi01: What are you looking for on planet ubuntu? [19:16] nhandler: got it already, thanks anyway (was looking for this: http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=69 ) :) [19:16] Ok. glad you found it [19:33] brrrrh [19:36] Tm_T: cold? [19:36] nah, just takes ages to build Qt [19:37] * ryanakca remembers when he used to rebuild KDE4 everynight... [19:38] ryanakca: I do it several times a day [19:38] ryanakca: it's not a problem, but Qt takes ages to build [19:38] ah... [19:39] when building daily or more often, KDE4 has only few things it builds again [19:55] Nightrose: ping [20:37] seele: pong [20:57] Nightrose: on my TODO i have a note to talk to you about Intrepid upgrades and what problems they had when upgrading from 3/4 and 4/4 [20:58] Nightrose: do you have any particular problems which come to mind? [21:01] seele: hmmm i'll think about it - right now i can only think of some kmail problems [21:02] Nightrose: ok.. let me know [21:02] apachelogger, can you help me at some point work on getting KDE's fixes upstream? [21:02] seele: will do - maybe also talk to claydo (?) - he was doing user support on the mailinglist afaik - he might know more [21:03] Nightrose: ok, thanks [21:05] hmmm, lovely... klear has a bug :/ [21:14] Are the Kubuntu packagers aware that the 4.2 packages do not install some of the data engines (RSS, weather, news) and as a result some of the plasmoids don't work? [21:17] antiquark: are you aware that some of the older plasmoids have not been updated (by their upstream authors) to work with 4.2? [21:18] it is unfortunate :( [21:18] antiquark: please check for bug reports, and confirm or add to them. If there are none that exist, please file a new one :) [21:20] I already filed a bug report on the KDE bugzilla and was toold by seigo that they do work and it is almost certainly a packaging problem. I'm talking about Weather LCD, RSSNOW and the news plasmoid [21:21] have you checked launchpad for these bugs? [21:21] No I didn't. The Ubuntu Launchpad? [21:21] launchpad.net, yes [21:22]