[02:11] <JontheEchidna> http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081230/NEWS01/81230011
[02:25] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i read that as man jumps out of a 72 story building and extinguishes fire
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> me too at first
[02:26] <vorian> i was like, at least he went out as a hero
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> must be like Rambo's dad or something
[02:26] <vorian> eeew
[02:26] <vorian> batavia ny
[02:27] <vorian> that's the half way point 'tween buffalo and rochester
[02:27] <vorian> i didn't think they had two story buildings there
[02:28] <vorian> omg
[02:28] <vorian> algore was right
[02:28] <vorian> http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=A2&Date=20090101&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=901010327&Ref=AR
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> ...why is there a .dll extension in that url? Can you really program websites that use dll-type crap?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> that makes my sad v.v
[02:33] <vorian> hehe
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> I can never get more than 30 kB/s with archive.ubuntu.com...
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> for very long
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> 49% [209 lokalize 363911/571kB 63%]                                         25.3kB/s 2h20min8s
[02:49] <jjesse> just created a jaunty vm and kontact is not installed by default?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: it was kicked off the seed at the last minute for alpha2 due to cd size restrictions, its removal shouldn't be permanent
[02:51] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: cool thanks, seems like a lot of extra packages get installed with sudo apt-get install kontact
[02:58] <nixternal> oi oi...gone back to using urxvt...lookin' secksi
[02:58] <nixternal> though I must admin the refresh is a little slow for some reason, but I won't blame that on urxvt as much as I will on "yet another KDE 4 memory leak"
[02:58] <nixternal> s/admin/admit
[03:22] <vorian> nixternal: your urxvt looks great!
[03:23] <nixternal> almost how it looked about 10+ years ago
[03:23] <vorian> i like your app launcher too :)
[03:24] <vorian> would be nice to get it as a default
[03:24] <nixternal> ya, someone put it on kde-look.org
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> hotness
[03:42] <DaSkreech> moto moto
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Am I the only person who doesn' have dolphin's view  move with the selection ?
[04:24] <astromme_> DaSkreech: Nope, it doesn't move for me either. 4.1.85 on Kubuntu Jaunty here
[05:08] <DaSkreech> That sucks
[05:42] <JontheEchidna> jaunty upgrade went smoothly
[05:42] <JontheEchidna> only ran in to 2 overwrite bugs and a python bug that I could all easily work around
[05:43] <DaSkreech> How's the Jackalope?
[05:43] <JontheEchidna> plus... X works (after I pinned old versions of the nvidia driver plus xserver-core)
[05:43] <JontheEchidna> s/after/since
[05:44]  * DaSkreech throws penguin eggs at X
[05:44]  * NCommander yawns
[05:45] <NCommander> Finally back home
[05:45] <NCommander> and KDE is (mostly) working on ARM
[05:45]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed now
[05:45] <NCommander> :-P
[05:46]  * NCommander is taking a look at fixing KDE bluetooth
[05:52] <NCommander> KDE 4.2 is nice ...
[05:56] <NCommander> wow, kbluetooth is REALLY broken
[05:57] <NCommander> and quite dead upstream ...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Yep
[05:58] <DaSkreech> If you start massaging it upstream you'll probably get a few other distros jumping in
[05:58] <DaSkreech> No one really wants it broken
[06:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got fixes for the overwrite bugs?
[06:01] <NCommander> DaSkreech, its bitrotten to the point of unusability
[06:01] <DaSkreech> NCommander: How bad? Scorched earth bad?
[06:02] <NCommander> Referencing non-existant Solid APIs, and the binaries segfault on jaunty
[06:02] <NCommander> and its doing the referencing form moc files it seems
[06:02] <NCommander> so yeah
[06:02] <NCommander> its bad
[06:05] <NCommander> solid's bluetooth stack is a load of fail ATM
[06:05] <NCommander> Half of its commented out ...
[06:05] <NCommander> DId we do that, or is that upstreams doing
[06:09] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Check it against trunk
[06:09] <NCommander> I'm checking
[06:09] <NCommander> this code doesn't even look similar to trunk ...
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Please don't tell me it's better
[06:12] <NCommander> oh
[06:12] <NCommander> this is ugly
[06:12] <NCommander> I think solid's maintainer disappeared
[06:12] <NCommander> a large changeset was committed to solid's Bluetooth API
[06:12] <NCommander> which broke the build
[06:12] <NCommander> so the vast majority of the API is commented out ....
[06:13] <DaSkreech> What? Solid can't be dead I heard someone blogging it less than 2 months ago
[06:13] <NCommander> Which was the time these changes were made.
[06:13] <NCommander> 8 weeks ago
[06:15] <NCommander> Fixing kdebluetooth means descrewing solid
[06:15] <NCommander> It's not going to be a quick hackjob ...
[06:16]  * NCommander notes its probably easier or saner to simply port the GNOME bluetooth app
[06:18] <apachelogger> NCommander: there is nothing to descrew in solid
[06:18] <NCommander> Care to explain why the vast majority of bluetooth APIs are descrewed with commit messages "Fixing API breakage"?
[06:18] <NCommander> apachelogger, ^
[06:19] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[06:19] <NCommander> s/descrewed/commented out/g
[06:19] <NCommander> I pinged one of the maintainer of this code on IRC< maybe I can know what if any plans are
[06:19] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: bluetooth is no maintained by ervin
[06:19] <NCommander> But its not an Ubuntu specific issue
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Is no maintained?
[06:20] <apachelogger> *not
[06:20] <NCommander> I think he meant not
[06:20]  * apachelogger only got up after 4 hours of sleep :P
[06:20] <NCommander> apachelogger, what specificially is solid?
[06:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: hardware abstraction
[06:21] <NCommander> Oh, I see.
[06:21]  * NCommander winces
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Oh I thought that might be what he was saying but then you could replace ervin with any of 6 billion names so I didn't quite see the point
[06:21] <DaSkreech> And notification
[06:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/apidocs/apidox-kde-4.1/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/index.html
[06:21] <DaSkreech> So if the hardware changes Solid says what and why
[06:21] <NCommander> Handy
[06:22] <NCommander> The BlueZ 4 change broke the solid compile
[06:22] <NCommander> so it looks like someone just commented out that entire block of code
[06:22] <DaSkreech> It's essentially a KDE abstraction of the udev abstraction of the hardware abstraction layer
[06:22] <NCommander> ETOOMANYLAYERSOFABSTRACTION
[06:22] <DaSkreech> They had a KDEshirt that said that
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Abstracted by the Abstract KDE abstraction library
[06:23] <NCommander> -_-;
[06:23] <apachelogger> classic one
[06:23] <apachelogger> makes my heart smile
[06:23]  * apachelogger goes fix0ring bugs
[06:23] <NCommander> fix solid :-)
[06:23]  * NCommander runs
[06:24] <apachelogger> one gone, 3 billion to go
[06:24] <NCommander> apachelogger, your debugging Windows Vista?
[06:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: solid doesn't need fixing, only the bluez module
[06:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: no ubuntu :P
[06:24] <NCommander> *solid-bluez
[06:24]  * apachelogger doesn't even have bluetooth to test with
[06:25] <apachelogger> and through kdt we always see where I get with theoretical implementations :P
[06:26] <NCommander> How hard is it to get access to the SVN  repo
[06:26] <NCommander> ERANDOMQUESTION
[06:27] <apachelogger> basically you just need to request one
[06:27] <NCommander> Where's the catch?
[06:28] <apachelogger> sysadmins are on vacation :P
[06:28] <NCommander> so just like Debian then
[06:28] <NCommander> :-)
[06:28] <apachelogger> ftp.kde.org is down for days now
[06:29] <NCommander> I'm really suprisied no one has fixed this
[06:29] <NCommander> since any distro shipping KDE has non-functional bluetooth
[06:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account
[06:30]  * NCommander gets that odd stupid feeling I'm not going to see Xfce for awhile
[06:31]  * NCommander caused a small scandle when I showed up at a Kubuntu meeting running Xubuntu
[06:31] <DaSkreech> I should hope so
[06:31] <apachelogger> you did?
[06:31] <NCommander> People were under this odd assumption that I actually use KDE :-P
[06:31] <apachelogger> where I drunk that meeting?
[06:32] <NCommander> apachelogger, you weren't at UDS
[06:32] <apachelogger> oh
[06:32]  * apachelogger is nowhere
[06:32]  * NCommander is everywhere
[06:32] <apachelogger> not at UDS, not at camp KDE, not at linuxtag...
[06:32] <NCommander> #kubuntu-devel - Where KDE and Zen Saying meet
[06:33]  * NCommander grabs the source package
[06:35] <DaSkreech> ok Gotta stop listening to Depeche Mode
[06:38] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: how so?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> By switching to a new band?
[06:38] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: hm, that could work
[06:39] <DaSkreech> I'm on Aqualung now
[06:39] <apachelogger> not that I know that though
[06:40] <DaSkreech> It's just an Extra Ordinary Thing
[06:40] <apachelogger> *nod*
[06:40] <apachelogger> oh dear, nc crashed
[06:41] <apachelogger> wb NCommander
[06:41] <NCommander> thanks
[06:41]  * NCommander is mulling over his constitution
[06:43] <DaSkreech> That this be true all men were created equal Unless they should be sent to Guantunamo Bay then maybe they were a litle less
[07:09] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Good night
[07:09] <apachelogger> nini DaSkreech
[08:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:05] <apachelogger> rosetta has one month import lag right now
[08:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, when do we get our nokia thingies? :P
[08:42] <Arby> apachelogger: do you have a minute to look at bug 312771 with your packaging guru hat on?
[08:43] <apachelogger> I did look at it
[08:43] <apachelogger> and decided to stop looking at it
[08:43] <Arby> I'v looked into it and I think it's just a missing entry in the kpilot.install file
[08:43] <apachelogger> well
[08:43] <Arby> ah, why?
[08:43] <apachelogger> Arby: do you have a list-missing from kdepim
[08:43] <apachelogger> the only references I found to that file is a .so in /usr/lib
[08:44] <Arby> somewhere yes, and I don't recall seeing it there
[08:44] <apachelogger> and I certainly don't hope it is a lib without soname
[08:45] <apachelogger> Arby: I would ask how he comes to the conclusion that that file is missing and that it being missing is responsible for the broken conduits
[08:45] <Arby> it gets compiled but not installed as far as I can see
[08:45] <Arby> home/richard/dev/cache/pbuilder/build/30041/tmp/buildd/kdepim-4.1.85/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkpilot_akonadibase.so
[08:45] <apachelogger> well
[08:46] <Arby> it does seem as if mandriva had the same bug a bit back
[08:46] <Arby> http://www.nabble.com/-Bug-45299--kdepim4,-NEW:-kpilot-requires-file-libkpilot_akonadibase.so-from-kdepim4-devel-p20162890.html
[08:47] <apachelogger> I think kpilot violates KDE's policy on lib install paths
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: add it to kpilot.install ... the lib is soname-less, even though it shouldn't be (which is the reason mandriva assumed it is a usual .so file for development and add it to their -devel and the reason we have it in our not-installed)
[08:49] <apachelogger> that said
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: remove it from the not-installed when you add it to kpilot.install
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: you can commit the change using  --fixes lp:BUGNUMBER  to link the branch to the bug
[08:50] <Arby> will do, what do you mean by soname-less? back to me and libs again :)
[08:52] <apachelogger> Arby: it doesn't have a versioning ... usually you would have .so.x.y.z .so.x .so files ... libkpilot_akonadibase only has a .so
[08:52] <Arby> ah ok I understand
[08:52] <apachelogger> if you remember... .so files usually are links to .so.x and .so.x is a link to .so.x.y.z
[08:53] <apachelogger> of course .so can't be a link to .so.x if the latter is not even existing ;-)
[08:53] <Arby> I remember
[08:53] <Arby> it was the definition of soname-less I was missing, I get it now
[08:53] <apachelogger> k
[08:53] <apachelogger> <3 broken tarballs
[08:54]  * Arby reaches for batbuild :)
[08:54] <apachelogger> -(~/src/choqok:$)-> ls -lah | grep tar
[08:54] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r--  1 me me   45 2009-01-01 19:31 choqok.tar.gz
[08:54] <apachelogger> needless to say src/choqok is already the extracted source
[08:55] <Arby> recursive tarballs?
[08:55] <apachelogger> well, I think the dev is as good with taring stuff as I am ... so the first try to tar went wrong ;-)
[08:56] <apachelogger> which probably is a good reason to get himself a fine release script
[08:56] <apachelogger> which makes me think that my extragear release script needs a new layer of abstraction to make it useful for non-extragear apps
[09:00] <Arby> hooray for scripts
[09:00] <Arby> and automation in general
[09:02]  * apachelogger plays the moby
[09:02]  * Arby leaves kdepim to compile and goes in search of breakfast
[09:08] <apachelogger> todo: rewrite dh_make
[11:34] <Arby> apachelogger: if I send you a debdiff for kdepim can you review and upload please?
[11:42] <Arby> sent
[11:47]  * jussi01 grumbles at annoying bugs that make the pc not boot
[12:01] <apachelogger> Arby: just push the kdepim branch
[12:02] <Arby> oh right we're doing it that way now
[12:03] <Arby> I just did apt-get source
[12:03] <Arby> apachelogger: is it possible for me to pull the branch, apply the diff and push back?
[12:05] <apachelogger> yes
[12:07]  * Arby looks up how to apply a diff in bzr
[12:10] <apachelogger> Arby: patch -p0 < debdiff? :P
[12:10] <Arby> if you say so :)
[12:10] <Arby> just one of the gazillions of things I've never needed to know
[12:11] <apachelogger> or patch -p1 < debdiff if you are in the main directory (the one with debian/)
[12:11] <Arby> apachelogger:  where in the source tree do I need to be when I issue that^^?
[12:11] <Arby> ah that answers that
[12:14] <Arby> apachelogger: do I need a commit comment or are they automagically generated from the changelog?
[12:16] <apachelogger> Arby: debcommit -R should take care of that
[12:23] <Arby> apachelogger: done, thanks for the pointers
[12:33] <apachelogger> Arby: usually you should use UNRELEASED for distribution name to make it clear that these changes were not uploaded
[12:33] <apachelogger> change looking good otherwise
[12:34] <Arby> apachelogger: ok noted
[12:46] <lool> apachelogger: Re:cdbs 0.4.52ubuntu10: you might want to consider testing for $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) being present instead as it's an override for QUILT_PATCHES supported by patchsys-quilt.mk
[12:54] <jussi01> is the 64 bit flash plugin packaged for ubuntu yet?
[12:54] <jussi01> I mean intrepid
[12:58] <Tm_T> indeed
[12:58] <jussi01> Tm_T: it is?
[12:58] <Tm_T> jussi01: no, I have no idea about that
[12:58] <jussi01> hehe
[12:59] <Tm_T> I was loudly thinking of Qt packaging
[12:59] <jussi01> Tm_T: do you know where to put the libflashplayer.so for a manual install?
[13:00] <Tm_T> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[13:00] <Tm_T> ?
[13:00] <jussi01> hrm, ok...
[13:01] <Tm_T> that's where it is here
[13:01] <Tm_T> but I'm on 32bit system
[13:01] <Tm_T> I think we need a patch for our current Qt
[13:02] <Tm_T> 0260-fix-qgraphicswidget-deletionclearFocus.diff
[13:02] <Tm_T> fixes some plasma crashes and stuff
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: one is that koffice2 one with the oxygen icons and one is one in libdrm2 with libdrm-intel1 or something
[14:06] <apachelogger> I thought koffice is fixed?
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> guess not
[14:08] <apachelogger> more information
[14:09] <apachelogger> lool: that var might not be set, or is it set by cdbs internally if none provided?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's an upgrade to koffice now
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> maybe it has been fixed :P
[14:55] <vorian> JontheEchidna: :o
[14:55] <vorian> i never got to test the beta packaging that fella did
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> 1:1.9.98.4-0ubuntu1 is wut I just got
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Seems to install fine too :)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: I added that patch to jaunty, never got around to preparing an SRU for Intrepid
[15:21]  * JontheEchidna cleans out old kernels
[15:41] <lool> apachelogger: It might not be set; in which case it's sensible to default to debian/patches
[15:42] <lool> Well $(CURDIR)/debian/patches rather
[16:38] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I see
[16:57] <apachelogger> vorian: yeah, we kind of skipped a beta :P
[16:58] <vorian> hehe
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, vorian: if someone feels like backporting... ;-)
[16:58] <vorian> I was having the baby and stuff
[16:58] <Tm_T> vorian: when?
[16:58] <apachelogger> not so sure, I still didn't see pix :P
[16:58] <vorian> ummm
[16:58] <vorian> 14th :)
[16:59] <vorian> grr, hold please :)
[16:59] <Tm_T> vorian: bah, I have 7-week old daughter here
[16:59] <apachelogger> lool: that means I need to find out how to create compound conditions :P
[17:00] <vorian> Tm_T: Congrats!
[17:00] <apachelogger> vorian, Tm_T: I hope they got names with at least one kay
[17:01] <vorian> mmm
[17:01] <vorian> gregory scott for me
[17:02] <Tm_T> apachelogger: last name has 3
[17:03] <vorian> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=51387&l=7435a&id=803693404
[17:03] <vorian> had to find the wifes photos
[17:03] <vorian> as i broke her blog :o
[17:03] <apachelogger> Tm_T: perfect
[17:03] <apachelogger> vorian: also perfect :P
[17:03] <apachelogger> facebook is the slowest -.-
[17:04] <vorian> you'll also see the awesome present i got my wife....
[17:04] <vorian> a backpack blower!
[17:04] <apachelogger> wahhh :D
[17:04] <apachelogger> most awesome
[17:05] <apachelogger> vorian: lovely baby as well
[17:05] <vorian> thanke
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, so I should be able to port software-properties-kde over to KCM easily enough, but keeping its standalone functionality would be a bit more difficult...
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> Since its a dialog anyway maybe we could just change things to launch it in kcmshell :P
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[17:34] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[17:36] <lool> apachelogger: Eh  :)  $(if $(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(CURDIR)/debian/patches)
[17:36] <apachelogger> that looks workaroundish :P
[17:37] <NCommander> hey apachelogger & ScottK
[17:37] <lool> apachelogger: It's cdbs-style: grep '\$(if ' /usr/share/cdbs -r | wc -l!
[17:37] <apachelogger> *nod* cdbs always was a big woraround :P
[17:38]  * lool notes down the quote
[17:38] <apachelogger> lool: wouldn't that only work within a target?
[17:39] <lool> I don't think it works any less than $(wildcards ), but I'm sometimes proven wrong
[17:40] <apachelogger> maybe ifeq ($(if...))
[17:40] <lool> Or let's say regularly proven wrong, that's less presumptuous
[17:40] <lool> apachelogger: Oh yes, I intended the above as a replacement of $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) in your expression
[17:41] <lool> Not as a replacement of the ifeq
[17:41] <apachelogger> more sensible
[17:41]  * apachelogger tries
[17:41] <apachelogger> or not
[17:41] <apachelogger> I am out of diskspace
[17:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:48] <ryanakca> nixternal: What do you use to list all the mailboxes in a column in mutt? I always go 'c?' and then arrow around to change mine...
[17:49] <nhandler> ryanakca: That is what I do too
[17:49] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: can you take qt4.4.3 in intrepid?
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> you mean add the patch to the 4.4.3 packages in intrepid?
[17:49] <Tm_T> yes
[17:50] <Tm_T> so I can concentrate on 4.5
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I can. In the meantime you can use the packages in my ppa for intrepid if you really need the patch
[17:51] <Riddell> afiestas: you pinged?
[17:52] <apachelogger> lool: doesn't work too well
[17:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you are doing 4.5?
[17:52] <apachelogger> b1?
[17:52] <Tm_T> yes
[17:53] <apachelogger> oh
[17:53] <Tm_T> and daily
[17:53] <lool> apachelogger: You need to set DEB_PATCHDIRS before the include, is that what you mean?
[17:53]  * apachelogger was starting on it as well :P
[17:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: (:)
[17:53] <lool> apachelogger: Alternatively, you could also just mkdir debian/patches and forget about it  :-P
[17:54] <apachelogger> you are confusing me :P
[17:57] <Tm_T> apachelogger: did you already check what patches should remain?
[17:57] <apachelogger> nope
[17:57] <apachelogger> Tm_T: from my point of view they all should go anyway
[17:57] <apachelogger> patches--
[17:58] <afiestas> Riddell: ya, you are the author of the kmix osd, right?
[17:58] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, maybe I make first package that way
[17:58] <Riddell> afiestas: yes
[17:59] <afiestas> I want fix the dualmonitor support on it, but maybe you can do it easily (since you wrote the code)
[17:59] <afiestas> the are some small problems with the position if you have 2 monitors with different resolutions
[17:59] <Riddell> afiestas: patches indeed welcome
[18:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, should I do b1 or go directly to b1+daily ?
[18:00] <afiestas> ook, I'll try to do it today
[18:00] <Riddell> afiestas: you'd need to look at the 4.2 beta for the current code (which was actually committed by someone not me so might be a bit different)
[18:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I really think daily of Qt doesn't make too much sense
[18:00] <afiestas> Riddell: I'm reading and using 4.2 so np
[18:00] <Riddell> good luck afiestas
[18:00] <afiestas> so, I should send the patch to you, or just in the mailist?
[18:01] <Riddell> afiestas: me is fine
[18:01] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, might be so
[18:01] <afiestas> oks, I'll, thx !
[18:20] <Tm_T> someone have to instruct me with ppa at some point then
[18:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[18:22] <Tm_T> thanks
[18:22] <Tm_T> that'll do it
[18:24] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, beta1 would be 4.4.90 ?
[18:24] <apachelogger> Tm_T: 4.5~beta1
[18:25] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[18:28] <apachelogger> rofl
[18:29] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzHcbhGWNk
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> lmao
[18:33]  * apachelogger needs to become a super sing star dude
[18:34] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the mutt-patched package...it is called patch because it contains the patch for adding a mailbox list
[18:36] <ryanakca> nhandler: ^^
[18:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks
[18:37] <apachelogger> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "You're Wondering Now" by Amy Winehouse [Back to Black (Deluxe Edition), 2007]
[18:37] <nhandler> ryanakca: I'm installing mutt-patched now ;)
[18:37] <NCommander> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago
[18:37] <NCommander> -_-;
[18:37] <ryanakca> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> ryanakca listened to "Tout en haut de la France" by Quendi 16 minutes ago
[18:37] <ryanakca> heh :)
[18:38] <nhandler> ~np
[18:38] <kubotu> nhandler listened to "Good Time" by Alan Jackson [Good Time, 2008] 3 weeks ago
[18:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:38] <apachelogger> dood
[18:38] <apachelogger> 3 weeks?
[18:38] <nhandler> Where is that from? last.fm?
[18:38] <apachelogger> aye
[18:38] <nhandler> That is why. I haven't used last.f for a while
[18:39] <apachelogger> no good
[18:40]  * ryanakca cheers... looks like rounding is working / will work on the new wiki theme
[18:41]  * apachelogger sings about monkey men
[18:51] <Tm_T> ~np
[18:51] <kubotu> Tm_T is listening to "Angel of Mercy" by Dire Straits [Communiqué, 2000]
[18:51] <Tm_T> bah
[18:51] <Tm_T> ~lastfm recenttracks
[18:51] <kubotu> recenttracks for Tm_T:
[18:51] <kubotu> Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Metallica – Merciful Fate, Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Mercyful Fate – Into the Coven
[18:59] <NCommander> ~lastfm NCommander
[18:59] <kubotu> NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago
[18:59] <NCommander> oh wait
[18:59] <NCommander> ~lastfm recenttracks
[18:59] <kubotu> recenttracks for NCommander:
[18:59] <kubotu> Mario – Sonikku Ganbatte!, Richter – Bring in the Machine, Sadorf – Aquatic Project, Aeolius – Apocalypric Orbital Ovum
[18:59] <NCommander> Neat
[19:01] <jussi01> does anyone here have a backlog of planet ubuntu in theirr feed reader?
[19:08]  * ryanakca wonders when he'll receive his ``Would you like to renew your Kubuntu membership'' email... only 5 days 'till expiry
[19:09] <jussi01> ryanakca: you get one of them?
[19:09] <ryanakca> jussi01: so I'm told...
[19:09] <jussi01> right then... :)
[19:12] <ryanakca> Should wiki.kubuntu.org keep a list of links (appearance: www.kubuntu.org, top right) with a search box, or go for a cleaner / less cluttered look with only a search box, like help.ubuntu.com/community/ ?
[19:13] <jjesse> like help.ubuntu.com/community
[19:15] <nhandler> jussi01: What are you looking for on planet ubuntu?
[19:16] <jussi01> nhandler: got it already, thanks anyway (was looking for this: http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=69 ) :)
[19:16] <nhandler> Ok. glad you found it
[19:33] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[19:36] <jussi01> Tm_T: cold?
[19:36] <Tm_T> nah, just takes ages to build Qt
[19:37]  * ryanakca remembers when he used to rebuild KDE4 everynight...
[19:38] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I do it several times a day
[19:38] <Tm_T> ryanakca: it's not a problem, but Qt takes ages to build
[19:38] <ryanakca> ah...
[19:39] <Tm_T> when building daily or more often, KDE4 has only few things it builds again
[19:55] <seele> Nightrose: ping
[20:37] <Nightrose> seele: pong
[20:57] <seele> Nightrose: on my TODO i have a note to talk to you about Intrepid upgrades and what problems they had when upgrading from 3/4 and 4/4
[20:58] <seele> Nightrose: do you have any particular problems which come to mind?
[21:01] <Nightrose> seele: hmmm i'll think about it - right now i can only think of some kmail problems
[21:02] <seele> Nightrose: ok.. let me know
[21:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, can you help me at some point work on getting KDE's fixes upstream?
[21:02] <Nightrose> seele: will do - maybe also talk to claydo (?) - he was doing user support on the mailinglist afaik - he might know more
[21:03] <seele> Nightrose: ok, thanks
[21:05] <jussi01> hmmm, lovely... klear has a bug :/
[21:14] <antiquark> Are the Kubuntu packagers aware that the 4.2 packages do not install some of the data engines (RSS, weather, news) and as a result some of the plasmoids don't work?
[21:17] <vorian> antiquark: are you aware that some of the older plasmoids have not been updated (by their upstream authors) to work with 4.2?
[21:18] <vorian> it is unfortunate :(
[21:18] <vorian> antiquark: please check for bug reports, and confirm or add to them.  If there are none that exist, please file a new one :)
[21:20] <antiquark> I already filed a bug report on the KDE bugzilla and was toold by seigo that they do work and it is almost certainly a packaging problem. I'm talking about Weather LCD, RSSNOW and the news plasmoid
[21:21] <vorian> have you checked launchpad for these bugs?
[21:21] <antiquark> No I didn't. The Ubuntu Launchpad?
[21:21] <vorian> launchpad.net, yes
[21:22] <antiquark> ok, I'll have a look
[21:23] <vorian> thanks!
[21:38] <ScottK> NCommander: Pong.
[21:48] <NCommander> ScottK, I took a look at the bluetooth situation
[21:48] <NCommander> Its not pretty
[22:07] <NCommander> ScottK, BTW, feel like sponsoring a fix?
[22:38] <jjesse> what benifit do i get by setting things to utilize akondi? like enabling akondi for kontact, korganzier, etc?
[22:47] <jjesse> hrm kontact wont' start now that sucks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/98599/
[23:48] <ScottK> NCommander: About to head out for a while.  Later tonight.
[23:48] <NCommander> Ok, cya
[23:49] <ScottK> NCommander: Will this fix get bluetooth actually working or just building on armel?
[23:49] <NCommander> No, this is an unrelated fix :-P
[23:56] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  I guess I don' t know the point if it doesn't make it work.  I'd say just toss the patch into bzr and we'll do it with the 4.2 RC then.
[23:56] <NCommander> ScottK, this isn't for kdebluetooth!
[23:56]  * NCommander falls over
[23:56] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  What then?
[23:56] <NCommander> fontforge
[23:56] <NCommander> to fix kdebluetooth means fixing solid
[23:57]  * NCommander winces
[23:57] <NCommander> solid-bt is REALLY broken
[23:57] <ScottK> Maybe later tonight then.