[01:19] <terli> have the maintainers already locked down the package revisions?
[01:41] <crimsun> terli: come again?
[01:43] <crimsun> it is such a pain that all these media players save libraries to their own formats
[01:44] <crimsun> syncing rhythmbox, sonata/mpd, banshee, and songbird is a PITA
[01:47] <terli> chrimsun
[01:47] <terli> I just use a folder for my music
[01:47] <terli> then I tell them to constantly index it
[01:59] <crimsun> it's still duplicated work
[01:59] <crimsun> use one friggin' library type, and have all players access it
[02:11] <terli> I just use WMP for linux
[02:11] <terli> works just fine
[02:45] <johnflux> Can I make a suggestion for packages.ubuntu.org here?
[02:52] <terli> yes
[02:52] <terli> sure
[02:52] <terli> suggest it to me
[02:53] <terli> I'm certain someone somewhere will appreciate it somewhat
[02:53] <terli> not that it's ever going to be a package, mind you, if you don't join #ubuntu-motu and maintain it yourself AKA you do it
[03:10] <BHSPitLappy> crimsun, might I recommend using MPD
[03:10] <BHSPitLappy> One library and media core, and your choice of frontends to steer it
[03:18] <terli> BHSPitLappy: can I get an ETA on when the features discussed by that gnome turk behdad are going to be implemented in our stream?
[03:19] <BHSPitLappy> terli, I'm not any position of authority
[03:36] <maco> are there no ddebs for jaunty?
[03:40] <crimsun> BHSPitLappy: i've used mpd (and frontends) for years
[03:40] <BHSPitLappy> good
[03:41] <crimsun> 20:44 < crimsun> syncing rhythmbox, sonata/mpd, banshee, and songbird is a PITA
[03:41] <crimsun> note the "mpd"
[03:41] <terli> why use all these
[03:42] <terli> hmm?
[03:42] <crimsun> terli: my previous life as a core-dev wasn't constrained to "just use the one client i like". it's difficult to reproduce bugs that people report unless you, well, use the apps.
[03:45] <crimsun> maco: jaunty has ddebs.
[03:45] <crimsun> usual place and everything
[03:47] <crimsun> terli: also, i'm still awaiting further context [from you] regarding: 20:19 < terli> have the maintainers already locked down the package revisions?
[03:55] <terli> I mean ubuntu+1 wise
[03:55] <crimsun> terli: i don't know what you imply by "package revisions"
[03:55] <terli> I havn't seen any updates to the jaunty repo in a week or two
[03:56] <terli> well a lot of the stuff IN the repo was the same version as it was in intrepid
[03:56] <crimsun> terli: err, well, it has been a week full of holidays and such
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> there always is a freeze a few days before an alpha is released
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> and holidays of course :P
[03:56] <crimsun> but there have been quite a few updates in the past week
[03:56] <terli> is the jaunty repo really all that newer than the intrepid one, besides kernel updates?
[03:56] <maco> crimsun: im getting 404s on it...though apt-get update seems to be trying to load the list like 3 times from ddebs, but the last time it 404s...confused
[03:56] <crimsun> yes, considerably newer
[03:57] <crimsun> maco: on what url(s)?
[03:57] <terli> well , gnome says its 2.25, so I believe you on that, but a lot of package had the same revision number in synaptic
[03:57] <maco> crimsun: Err http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main Packages
[03:57] <maco> same for restricted, universe, and multiverse
[03:57] <crimsun> maco: that url won't even begin to make sense til post-jaunty
[03:58] <maco> same for proposed and security
[03:58] <crimsun> same for jaunty-proposed, jaunty-backports, and jaunty-security
[03:58] <maco> oh
[03:58] <maco> ok then
[03:58] <crimsun> terli: the archive pool for jaunty is already quite different to intrepid
[03:59] <crimsun> at least in terms of main/restricted.
[03:59] <terli> hmm
[04:00] <crimsun> in terms of universe and multiverse, not nearly as much, since the vast majority are synced from Debian testing/unstable, which is also in freeze (well, testing is).
[04:00] <terli> should gnome say 2.25.3?
[04:00] <crimsun> as of 2008-12-17, yes
[04:00] <maco> crimsun: glade-3 is broken. *pout*
[04:02] <crimsun> terli: if you don't know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule, you should
[04:03] <maco> new kernel...time to reboot
[04:03] <crimsun> terli: from there, you'll note that 19 feb is as close to a "freeze for new packages" as one might see
[04:04] <crimsun> terli: of course, devs nearly always file exception requests (not to mention major desktop components, like GNOME and KDE, have standing exceptions)
[04:05]  * JontheEchidna tends to find that the amount of updates never decreases after feature freeze :P
[04:05] <terli> I want to be in a state of CONSTANT change :-D
[04:06] <terli> I want access to a gnome repo that updates nightly
[04:06] <crimsun> well, i'm working on that for pulseaudio and userspace alsa-*
[04:07] <crimsun> the mozillateam does a great job [of building nightlies/weeklies] with the various xulrunner-based apps
[04:10] <terli> woudn't it be great if there was a version/variant of ubuntu that linked to 3000+ servers that nightly built all of the developer's apps
[04:10] <terli> I know you want to say GENTOO ><
[04:11] <crimsun> that is a use case for ppas
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> I believe human resources is the bottleneck for speed of updates
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> some things just work better with humans around than with blind automation, imo
[04:12] <terli> believe me when I say after I finish this degree, I'm going to learn gnome/glade and at least test code for the gnome ppls
[04:13] <terli> I wanna stop this gnome shell thing , but if I can't do that , at least I could ask and help ensure it has everything I'm used to included
[05:01] <atester> what packages do I need to install in order to get the binary nvidia drivers in Jaunty?
[05:04] <Arenlor> atester: a quick ubuntu packages search brought up: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia+binary&searchon=all&suite=jaunty&section=all
[05:05] <atester> Arenlor: thank you
[05:08] <crimsun> depending on your hw, one of nvidia-*-kernel-source and its corresponding nvidia-glx-*
[05:08] <crimsun> keep in mind that none of the Nvidia drivers currently work correctly with jaunty's X.Org due to a server abi mismatch
[05:09] <crimsun> you'll need to use the previous 1.5 server abi
[05:10] <ionstorm> what is a good way to share files with windows users over the internet, something newb friendly, these ppl are stupid, wanna share movies n stuff
[05:10] <ionstorm> they wont figure out netbios
[05:10] <ionstorm> lol
[05:11] <Arenlor> samba maybe?
[05:11] <Arenlor> ssh is the best
[05:12] <atester> crimsun: thanks, but how will I know which of the nvidia drivers use the previous 1.5 server abi?
[05:12] <Arenlor> I like putty on windows with openssh-server on linux, but not sure the other way around
[15:19] <lubosz> hi
[15:20] <lubosz> whats the best way to install jaunty on a usb flash drive?
[15:20] <lubosz> UNetbootin just installs the installer
[15:20] <lubosz> the ubuntu boot disk creation tool needs a fat filesystem, and that sucks on benchmarks
[20:33] <mikegriffin> crimsun: hey thanks for the advise the other day
[20:33] <mikegriffin> s/se/ce/
[20:35] <mikegriffin> interestingly enough when going from gg to jj, dkms was not automagically installed, i went ahead and did so manually. now to attempt to get my tainted nvidia driver working with this new magic
[20:45] <mikegriffin> another oddity is that I was not presented the EULA for firefox yet have the branding installed
[20:45] <mikegriffin> chrome://ubufox/content/mozeula.html does not display anything
[21:14] <CarlFK> dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-poppler/python-poppler_0.8.1-1.dsc
[21:14] <CarlFK> tar xvf python-poppler_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz makes pypoppler-0.8.1/ but python-poppler_0.8.1-1.diff.gz makes python-poppler-0.8.1
[21:15] <CarlFK> how can that happen?
[21:15] <CarlFK> whoops, this isn't motu...
[22:00] <Skiessi> !info bristol
[22:23] <Killeroid> !ppc