[01:19] have the maintainers already locked down the package revisions? [01:41] terli: come again? [01:43] it is such a pain that all these media players save libraries to their own formats [01:44] syncing rhythmbox, sonata/mpd, banshee, and songbird is a PITA [01:47] chrimsun [01:47] I just use a folder for my music [01:47] then I tell them to constantly index it [01:59] it's still duplicated work [01:59] use one friggin' library type, and have all players access it [02:11] I just use WMP for linux [02:11] works just fine [02:45] Can I make a suggestion for packages.ubuntu.org here? [02:52] yes [02:52] sure [02:52] suggest it to me [02:53] I'm certain someone somewhere will appreciate it somewhat [02:53] not that it's ever going to be a package, mind you, if you don't join #ubuntu-motu and maintain it yourself AKA you do it [03:10] crimsun, might I recommend using MPD [03:10] One library and media core, and your choice of frontends to steer it [03:18] BHSPitLappy: can I get an ETA on when the features discussed by that gnome turk behdad are going to be implemented in our stream? [03:19] terli, I'm not any position of authority [03:36] are there no ddebs for jaunty? [03:40] BHSPitLappy: i've used mpd (and frontends) for years [03:40] good [03:41] 20:44 < crimsun> syncing rhythmbox, sonata/mpd, banshee, and songbird is a PITA [03:41] note the "mpd" [03:41] why use all these [03:42] hmm? [03:42] terli: my previous life as a core-dev wasn't constrained to "just use the one client i like". it's difficult to reproduce bugs that people report unless you, well, use the apps. [03:45] maco: jaunty has ddebs. [03:45] usual place and everything [03:47] terli: also, i'm still awaiting further context [from you] regarding: 20:19 < terli> have the maintainers already locked down the package revisions? [03:55] I mean ubuntu+1 wise [03:55] terli: i don't know what you imply by "package revisions" [03:55] I havn't seen any updates to the jaunty repo in a week or two [03:56] well a lot of the stuff IN the repo was the same version as it was in intrepid [03:56] terli: err, well, it has been a week full of holidays and such [03:56] there always is a freeze a few days before an alpha is released [03:56] and holidays of course :P [03:56] but there have been quite a few updates in the past week [03:56] is the jaunty repo really all that newer than the intrepid one, besides kernel updates? [03:56] crimsun: im getting 404s on it...though apt-get update seems to be trying to load the list like 3 times from ddebs, but the last time it 404s...confused [03:56] yes, considerably newer [03:57] maco: on what url(s)? [03:57] well , gnome says its 2.25, so I believe you on that, but a lot of package had the same revision number in synaptic [03:57] crimsun: Err http://ddebs.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/main Packages [03:57] same for restricted, universe, and multiverse [03:57] maco: that url won't even begin to make sense til post-jaunty [03:58] same for proposed and security [03:58] same for jaunty-proposed, jaunty-backports, and jaunty-security [03:58] oh [03:58] ok then [03:58] terli: the archive pool for jaunty is already quite different to intrepid [03:59] at least in terms of main/restricted. [03:59] hmm [04:00] in terms of universe and multiverse, not nearly as much, since the vast majority are synced from Debian testing/unstable, which is also in freeze (well, testing is). [04:00] should gnome say 2.25.3? [04:00] as of 2008-12-17, yes [04:00] crimsun: glade-3 is broken. *pout* [04:02] terli: if you don't know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseSchedule, you should [04:03] new kernel...time to reboot [04:03] terli: from there, you'll note that 19 feb is as close to a "freeze for new packages" as one might see [04:04] terli: of course, devs nearly always file exception requests (not to mention major desktop components, like GNOME and KDE, have standing exceptions) [04:05] * JontheEchidna tends to find that the amount of updates never decreases after feature freeze :P [04:05] I want to be in a state of CONSTANT change :-D [04:06] I want access to a gnome repo that updates nightly [04:06] well, i'm working on that for pulseaudio and userspace alsa-* [04:07] the mozillateam does a great job [of building nightlies/weeklies] with the various xulrunner-based apps [04:10] woudn't it be great if there was a version/variant of ubuntu that linked to 3000+ servers that nightly built all of the developer's apps [04:10] I know you want to say GENTOO >< [04:11] that is a use case for ppas [04:12] I believe human resources is the bottleneck for speed of updates [04:12] some things just work better with humans around than with blind automation, imo [04:12] believe me when I say after I finish this degree, I'm going to learn gnome/glade and at least test code for the gnome ppls [04:13] I wanna stop this gnome shell thing , but if I can't do that , at least I could ask and help ensure it has everything I'm used to included [05:01] what packages do I need to install in order to get the binary nvidia drivers in Jaunty? [05:04] atester: a quick ubuntu packages search brought up: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvidia+binary&searchon=all&suite=jaunty§ion=all [05:05] Arenlor: thank you [05:08] depending on your hw, one of nvidia-*-kernel-source and its corresponding nvidia-glx-* [05:08] keep in mind that none of the Nvidia drivers currently work correctly with jaunty's X.Org due to a server abi mismatch [05:09] you'll need to use the previous 1.5 server abi [05:10] what is a good way to share files with windows users over the internet, something newb friendly, these ppl are stupid, wanna share movies n stuff [05:10] they wont figure out netbios [05:10] lol [05:11] samba maybe? === ropetin_ is now known as ropetin [05:11] ssh is the best [05:12] crimsun: thanks, but how will I know which of the nvidia drivers use the previous 1.5 server abi? [05:12] I like putty on windows with openssh-server on linux, but not sure the other way around === Daisuke-Ido is now known as Daisuke_Ido === sepheebear is now known as Sepheebear === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [15:19] hi [15:20] whats the best way to install jaunty on a usb flash drive? [15:20] UNetbootin just installs the installer [15:20] the ubuntu boot disk creation tool needs a fat filesystem, and that sucks on benchmarks === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [20:33] crimsun: hey thanks for the advise the other day [20:33] s/se/ce/ [20:35] interestingly enough when going from gg to jj, dkms was not automagically installed, i went ahead and did so manually. now to attempt to get my tainted nvidia driver working with this new magic [20:45] another oddity is that I was not presented the EULA for firefox yet have the branding installed [20:45] chrome://ubufox/content/mozeula.html does not display anything [21:14] dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-poppler/python-poppler_0.8.1-1.dsc [21:14] tar xvf python-poppler_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz makes pypoppler-0.8.1/ but python-poppler_0.8.1-1.diff.gz makes python-poppler-0.8.1 [21:15] how can that happen? [21:15] whoops, this isn't motu... [22:00] !info bristol [22:00] bristol (source: bristol): vintage synthesizer emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-13ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 336 kB, installed size 4004 kB [22:23] !ppc [22:23] PowerPC. Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ