[00:00] crimsun: a wrapper arround what? [00:01] (s/rr/r) === krusaf|bnc is now known as krusaf === fta_ is now known as fta [01:40] RainCT: around pbuilder [01:40] d'oh === jonathan_ is now known as highvoltage === sepheebear is now known as Sepheebear [07:35] jdong: hey. can you think of a reason we wouldn't want to have protocol encryption in ktorrent active by default? [08:33] help review ibus-table: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ibus-table, thanks [08:48] hello * [08:56] Hey hanska. [09:23] hi iulian [09:39] sebner: \o [09:39] hanska: ahoi === asac_ is now known as asac [11:44] StevenK: around? need to sync jbossas4. :-D [11:45] slytherin: And have you filed a bug? :-) [11:46] StevenK: yes. bug 312778 [11:46] Launchpad bug 312778 in jbossas4 "Please sync jbossas4 4.2.3.GA-1 (multiverse) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312778 [13:02] Yay! The silly crash in glom has been fixed [13:02] Today is The Day [13:12] * directhex declares openjdk to be doom [13:23] Adri2000: Crazy mass bug reporting on requestsync - fixed. === warp10_ is now known as warp10 [13:25] jpds: My hero! [13:26] (I think - putting sleep()s appears to fix it). [13:26] haha [13:26] s/fix/bodged around/ :P [13:31] bodger the badger? [13:33] * Laney eats some mashed potato [13:35] openjdk appears to be a twisty mess when it comes to licensing [13:39] directhex: why? [13:41] jpds: great. I hope it will workaround the problem for now, but if LP decides to become 1 or 2 seconds slower, it will fail again :/ afaiu python-launchpad-bugs uses only http while python-launchpadlib uses the new LP api; so shouldn't using the latter fix this kind of problem? [13:42] slytherin, horrible things like "public domain" with gpl2 boilerplate, etc [13:43] * RainCT notes that pbuilder-dist.new now supports cowbuilder [13:47] directhex: is that bad thing really? [13:47] Hi, is there a special category for a genealogy program. I've just built my first package, and would like it to appear in Applications - Genealogy. I didn't see such category. Is it possible to the debian/myappli.desktop to write : Categories=Application;Genealogy ? [13:49] isle85: how about science? But I am not sure if that has separate menu. [13:49] a few licensing glitches here & there, too [13:50] isle85: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ defines the categories [13:50] e.g. some non-sun files under GPL2 without classpath exception, which sun then relicense with classpath exception [13:50] slytherin: yeap, but "science" doesn't see the appropriate place. [13:50] isle85, "magic"! [13:50] directhex: :-) [13:52] slytherin, correct me if i'm wrong, but sun can't put a classpath exception on a file they don't hold the copyright to, and which was published under gpl2 with no exception, can they? [13:53] directhex: you here? :) [13:53] directhex: I believe you are right [13:53] hanska, always. why are YOU here, you like your debian WITHOUT bugs! [13:53] directhex: eheh :P [13:54] slytherin, frankly i don't care, i just want a well-formed debian/copyright. but i stand by my "openjdk appears to be a twisty mess when it comes to licensing" ;) [14:10] Adri2000: Possibly, but I haven't done any work on lplib. [14:11] hello all, I need a bit of help uploading to my PPA for the first time... [14:12] I followed the instructions given here: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA, using the dput tool [14:13] The tool seemed to finish successfully, but I'm not seeing anything in the PPA web UI, and I haven't received any email either [14:14] This is the output of my dput operation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/98311/ [14:14] shodges: PPA is a launchpad thing, so #launchpad is more appropriate for your question [14:14] ok thanks Adri2000 [14:21] RainCT: Damn, I just uploaded u-d-t and I just noticed your push. [14:22] * jpds fixes. [14:23] jpds: pbuilder-dist.new isn't installed anyway [14:23] jpds, re this requestsync bug, I don't think time.sleep() fixes in requestsync fixes the problem, but forcing using the stable server instead of edge seems to be a good idea [14:24] RainCT: I meant the changelog. [14:24] thekorn: It only files one bug for me now. [14:26] jpds, ok, but my feeling is that launchpad is a bit faster today, which might also solve this issue [14:27] thekorn: If the problem comes back, someone can reopen the bug. [14:27] jpds, but again, you should think about switching to python-launchpadlib ;) [14:27] thekorn: That is planned ;-) [14:28] jpds, super, if noone takes it I can have a look at it over the weekend [14:29] should not be that hard [14:31] thekorn: There is an experimental branch for it on my code page, but it's month's old. [14:33] anybody up for helping out a newbie in debian packaging? [14:33] months* [14:34] jpds, ok, cool, feel free to ping me when you need some help with launchpadlib [14:35] I'm remaking the Xorg core packages with dbus support. that part is easy, rules needs an extra build flag. But I also need to install the dbus policy rules file and I dont have clue where that should go or how. [14:35] so any tips welcome:) [14:39] backporting libtool from intrepid to hardy is a.) a bad idea, b.) a good idea, c.) I am on drugs? [14:48] thekorn: Would you happen to know a lplib function which will tell me if a person is a member of a team? [14:57] jpds, no, I don't think there is an API method for this, but how about checking if a person is in yourteam.members? [15:01] jpds, hmm, does not seem to work, http://paste.ubuntu.com/98333/ loks like a bug (missing feature) in launchpadlib to me [15:02] thekorn: I'll that it here. [15:08] "TypeError: argument of type 'Entry' is not iterable" - hmm. === aanjhan is now known as ThiefofBaghdad === ThiefofBaghdad is now known as CaptainMarvel [15:12] jpds, created bug 313233 in launchpadlib [15:12] Launchpad bug 313233 in launchpadlib "add __contains__ to collections" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313233 [15:13] thekorn: Oh, thanks. [15:39] excuse me for cross-posting from debian-mentors, but... [15:39] What's the correct way to depend on ${source:Upstream-Version}? "=" obviously doesn't work [16:05] sebner: *cough* [16:16] jpds, https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ngircd/+bug/309872 << first sync request created using requestsync and launchpadlib ;) [16:16] Ubuntu bug 309872 in ubuntu-tweak "Adding 2nd User after installing Ubuntu-tweak removes all Desktop menus & icons" [Undecided,New] [16:17] StevenK: thanks for jbossas4 sync. Do you time to any other syncs? [16:33] how long does it take to compile libtool [16:33] days? weeks? months? [16:34] do you mean the pure build time or the time for adding to the build queue to the result? [16:34] oh nevermind it just died [16:34] geser: just FYI ... jboss is finally built. :-) [16:34] i am trying to backport libtool [16:35] incorrect: the buildds take between 20 min and 1 h 40 min (depending on the arch) [16:35] thanks geser [16:36] slytherin: nice job. Did it include some patching or just syncing? [16:36] hopefully i can get openldap 2.4.11 backported to hardy [16:37] geser: this time it was just sync [16:38] i don't know if anyone feels this way, but i would like to run an LTS version and get some of the latest server apps, such as openldap, apache samba [16:45] i wonder how many support packages i will have to backport to get libtool to compile [16:48] incorrect: That kind of runs counter to the LTSness doesn't it? [16:48] Laney, yes and no [16:48] Laney, i want the base for stable [16:49] bit like freebsd, you get the core stable, then apps are separated out [16:50] if i deploy a large server farm, I want all the core update goodness for 5 years, but i also want to get some bang up to date services [16:51] for example openldap 2.4.9 still has bugs in its multimaster replication, so i would want to upgrade this [17:20] incorrect, so you'll have to run your own update server [17:21] rjune, fine by me if, choice of not working [17:21] or having to do my own updates [17:21] incorrect, basically, you start with LTS, then set up your own repository and rebuild anything you want and insert into that repo [17:22] it's not what you want, but it's the only way to get that same effect. [17:22] rjune, i know that, i was just suggesting that it would be nice if.. [17:22] Ahh. [17:22] i just wondered if others felt like me [17:22] I'm sure you can find somebody willing to do it on a contract basis [17:23] why do i need to pay someone to do it? [17:23] i am perfectly able to backport myself [17:23] you could always do it yourself [17:23] years of gentoo [17:23] I'm so sorry. [17:23] lol [17:23] still, you get the idea. [17:24] i've been doing this for ages, i just seem to be the only one who doesn't want to upgrade their server farm every 6 months when all they want is a couple of features [17:25] most people find the pain of update less than the pain of rebuild [17:25] if you start a repo doing backports, then make it public, you may get some interest. [17:25] depends if the update introduces a problem on your production systems [17:25] then again, you may not. [17:25] if you only update one package, this negates the problem [17:25] well, it minimizes it. [17:26] you can simply role back you one package [17:26] harder to role back the entire os [17:28] true dat [17:30] well i am off for beer === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [18:53] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-poppler comes from https://edge.launchpad.net/poppler-python [18:54] I reported a bug and submitted a patch - how do I get that into ibex? === lady_ is now known as lady [20:18] REVU day! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=metakit [21:01] hello MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE! [21:01] I have two quick questions, then I will leave you alone [21:02] 1) does the ati proprietary driver make it into the repos with every monthly release? [21:02] 2) when will ekiga 3.0 be available in the repos? [21:03] hi luckyone: at least regarding the ati driver, it's put into the development release on a regular basis. you'll get equivalent packages (starting with intrepid and later) if you run --buildpkg Ubuntu on their .run file [21:03] 1) depends if someone has done the work for it and whether Feature Freeze has passed [21:04] 2) ekiga 3.0.1 has already been merged into jaunty [21:04] crimsun: will it make it into Intrepid? [21:04] so in the event that you are running intrepid and say want the 8-12 release, you can grab their installer and run it with that flag i just said. it's not likely that it will be backported to intrepid though [21:04] I really should do my part and pick a package to maintain [21:04] :( REVU is just as hard to get on REVU days as otherwise [21:04] it will not make it into intrepid period. intrepid is a frozen and released version. [21:05] ahhh [21:05] it might get backported [21:05] there is some low probability that it will make it into intrepid-backports, but that's a fairly low one. [21:05] yeah, that is what I mean, will it be backported [21:05] coppro: Don't forget, REVU day is still going on. It goes on until it is Saturday in all time zones [21:06] luckyone: if you manage all the prerequisite work for it to be backported, there will be a slightly higher probability [21:06] yes, exactly [21:06] so, Jaunty will have ati 8.12? [21:06] luckyone, jaunty already does have it [21:07] luckyone, as i said the development release gets them on a more regular basis [21:07] superm1: but will that be the last driver version taken? [21:07] luckyone, that depends on what features are in the newer version and if it's a worthwhile upgrade to put into jaunty [21:07] gotcha [21:07] luckyone, at this point i know there are some problems with 8-12 in jaunty, so likely a newer drop will be needed [21:08] I am crossing my fingers they are going to release the GPU offloading for video playback of additional codecs like H.264, etc [21:08] not just mpeg-2 [21:09] theora pls [21:09] x.264 :x [21:13] is there ever a 'Masters in training' course? [21:13] I feel like I should help out [21:14] I want to be confident that my contribution would actually help though (that my packages are 1, needed, 2 built correctly...) [21:14] put them on revu [21:14] needed isn't as important as built correctly [21:14] hehe [21:15] (check for a needs-packaging bug first) [21:16] I am trying to build a PPA from a package that I have a patch for. but the current package is confusing: dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/python-poppler/python-poppler_0.8.1-1.dsc [21:16] tar xvf python-poppler_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz makes pypoppler-0.8.1/ but python-poppler_0.8.1-1.diff.gz makes python-poppler-0.8.1 [21:17] jaunty is the first place this package apears. should I file a bug ? [21:17] no [21:18] just use patch -p1 [21:18] or use dget -x/dpkg-source -x [21:18] it's not worth a bug. the diff.gz is not required to retain the upstream's root-extracted directory name. [21:20] thaks [21:21] er.. thanks. dget -x isn't extracting... is is because: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Validation FAILED!! [21:21] dget -xu then [21:21] (or get the key) [21:24] thanks again [22:41] Is it a good idea to split translations and manuals (omf format) out into an arch-indep package? lintian is whining [22:42] Or just the manual? [22:56] I think I'll just split the manual out for now [22:56] sebner: you agree? [23:27] murrayc_: Hey! glom is almost ready to go (again :) === coppro_ is now known as coppro [23:53] Laney: Thanks. I notice that the examples/templates still aren't found, but maybe I will figure out why, [23:53] murrayc_: It's alright, I've got it [23:53] Oh, cool. [23:53] Laney: What was the problem? [23:53] I have to override the default directory [23:53] How? [23:53] oh no, I don't think I do actually [23:54] there was a silly rule left over in the rules file which deleted them for some reason [23:54] I killed that and now they come up [23:54] Oh, great. [23:54] Thanks. [23:54] (small thing that lintian picked up: You don't need encoding in the desktop file any more, they apparently have to be UTF-8 now) [23:56] just trying to make a glom-doc package, then if that works I'll upload the diff for real [23:57] murrayc_: Oh, do you know if there's a way to not build the examples with goocanvasmm? I tried --disable-examples but it's no go [23:59] Laney: I'd accept a patch to add that option, but I generally don't bother with it myself.