apacheloggerNCommander: just gimme the bug numbers00:02
apacheloggerand if possible ensure the changed portions work properly at runtime00:03
NCommanderapachelogger, we have it all on non-arm archs working fine00:04
apacheloggervorian: more micro-blogging backends on the todo00:04
apacheloggerNCommander: well, the change is not all that useful if it causes runtime issues on arm, is it? :P00:05
vorianapachelogger: where?00:42
JontheEchidnahalp: http://imagebin.ca/view/z4fue3.html03:02
vorian what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online.03:02
JontheEchidna^not a permissions problem, same thing happens with root. (It really seems to be an invalid optoin)03:02
ScottKNCommander: There might be a narrow window here for some sponsorship if you're still looking for it.04:33
crimsunScottK: (if that offer extends beyond NCommander, i may have texmacs for you)04:34
crimsun(test-building ATM)04:34
ScottKcrimsun: This is the one with 200MB of build-deps?04:34
crimsunNeed to get 33.5MB/62.1MB of archives. After unpacking 201MB will be used.04:35
crimsuni think around 62 if you have a bare pbuilder04:35
ScottKOK.  Shoot me a debdiff when you're ready and if I'm still up/sufficiently sober I'll have a look.04:36
crimsunScottK: ok.04:36
NCommanderScottK, here04:47
NCommanderScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontforge/+bug/31331104:48
ubottuUbuntu bug 313311 in fontforge "FTBFS fix for fontforge, all archs" [High,In progress]04:48
* ScottK looks.04:50
ScottKNCommander: Is perhaps "call_libtool_correctly" a patch name that might be seen as a bit of a stick in the eye by the Debian Maintainers of the package?05:01
NCommanderNot really, Ubuntu's libtool acts differently than debians05:02
NCommander(or at least that seems to be the issue)05:02
NCommanderoh wait05:02
NCommanderThat one05:02
NCommanderNo, that was a stick in the eye for fontforge's devs05:02
NCommanderlibtool for years had big warning lights that support for not having --mode would go away05:02
NCommanderand it did05:02
NCommanderfontforge is the first program I saw that actually broke.05:03
ScottKOK. Fair enough.05:05
ScottKJust did my DM upload to Debian.  Let's see if you broke anything ....05:09
ScottKI figured out why on Ubuntu Hall of Fame I've been scoring at or near the top of the uploaders for sponsoring list.05:14
ScottKBecause of the way my LP account is set up, my uploades show up as changed-by scott@kitterman.com and signed-by ubuntu@kitterman.com so every upload I do looks like it's a sponsorship upload.05:14
ScottKNCommander: How long does this tack to build?05:15
NCommander10-15 minutes?05:15
nhandlerCheater ScottK ;)05:15
ScottKnhandler: Not on purpose.05:15
nhandlerI know05:15
NCommanderScottK, well, no one has complained about broken uploads yet05:15
NCommanderand we've had two dinstalls05:15
NCommanderso far so good.05:16
* NCommander notes Debian is on a fast track to matching Launchpad's dinstall every hour05:16
* NCommander is fairly sure Soyuz manages to do that by throwing a lot of hardware at the problem05:17
ScottKNCommander: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.  You're sending the changes to Debian, right?05:29
NCommanderIt doesn't FTBFS there, but I will ping the fontforge maintainer05:30
ScottKNCommander: Isn't there a newer libtool in experimental?05:31
* ScottK is guessing that'll break it after Lenny is released.05:31
* ScottK is off to bed. Good night all.06:01
BBM-5kann mir jemand mit meinem problem helfen? versuche gerade KGtk zu kompilieren11:05
BBM-5cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ -DKGTK_KDE4=true -DKGTK_QT4=true -DKGTK_GTK2=false lief ohne fehler durch11:05
BBM-5aber beim make meckert er11:06
Tm_TBBM-5: can we get that in english?11:12
BBM-5oh yeah of course ^^11:13
BBM-5i try to compile KGtk11:13
BBM-5cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ -DKGTK_KDE4=true -DKGTK_QT4=true -DKGTK_GTK2=false run through without any mistakes11:13
BBM-5then i tried make and the result is what you can see in pastebin11:14
BBM-5i already installed "root-system" but nothing changed11:14
BBM-5here is the fcntl2.h:11:22
BBM-5/* Checking macros for fcntl functions.11:22
BBM-5   Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.11:22
BBM-5   This file is part of the GNU C Library.11:22
BBM-5   The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or11:22
BBM-5   modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public11:23
BBM-5   License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either11:23
BBM-5   version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.11:23
BBM-5   The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,11:23
BBM-5   but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of11:23
BBM-5   Lesser General Public License for more details.11:23
BBM-5   You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public11:23
BBM-5   License along with the GNU C Library; if not, write to the Free11:23
BBM-5   Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA11:23
BBM-5   02111-1307 USA.  */11:23
BBM-5# error "Never include <bits/fcntl2.h> directly; use <fcntl.h> instead."11:23
BBM-5/* Check that calls to open and openat with O_CREAT set have an11:23
BBM-5   appropriate third/fourth parameter.  */11:23
BBM-5#ifndef __USE_FILE_OFFSET6411:23
BBM-5extern int __open_2 (__const char *__path, int __oflag) __nonnull ((1));11:23
BBM-5extern int __REDIRECT (__open_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...),11:23
BBM-5       open) __nonnull ((1));11:23
BBM-5extern int __REDIRECT (__open_2, (__const char *__path, int __oflag),11:23
BBM-5       __open64_2) __nonnull ((1));11:23
BBM-5extern int __REDIRECT (__open_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...),11:23
BBM-5       open64) __nonnull ((1));11:23
BBM-5__errordecl (__open_too_many_args,11:23
BBM-5     "open can be called either with 2 or 3 arguments, not more");11:23
BBM-5__errordecl (__open_missing_mode,11:23
BBM-5     "open with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments");11:23
BBM-5__extern_always_inline int11:23
BBM-5open (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...)11:23
BBM-5  if (__va_arg_pack_len () > 1)11:24
BBM-5    __open_too_many_args ();11:24
BBM-5  if (__builtin_constant_p (__oflag))11:24
BBM-5    {11:24
BBM-5      if ((__oflag & O_CREAT) != 0 && __va_arg_pack_len () < 1)11:24
BBM-5  __open_missing_mode ();11:24
BBM-5  return __open_2 (__path, __oflag);11:24
BBM-5      return __open_alias (__path, __oflag, __va_arg_pack ());11:24
BBM-5    }11:24
BBM-5  if (__va_arg_pack_len () < 1)11:24
BBM-5    return __open_2 (__path, __oflag);11:24
BBM-5  return __open_alias (__path, __oflag, __va_arg_pack ());11:24
BBM-5#ifdef __USE_LARGEFILE6411:24
BBM-5extern int __open64_2 (__const char *__path, int __oflag) __nonnull ((1));11:24
BBM-5extern int __REDIRECT (__open64_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag,11:24
BBM-5...), open64) __nonnull ((1));11:24
BBM-5__errordecl (__open64_too_many_args,11:24
BBM-5     "open64 can be called either with 2 or 3 arguments, not more");11:24
BBM-5__errordecl (__open64_missing_mode,11:24
BBM-5     "open64 with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments");11:24
BBM-5__extern_always_inline int11:24
BBM-5open64 (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...)11:25
BBM-5  if (__va_arg_pack_len () > 1)11:25
BBM-5    __open64_too_many_args ();11:25
BBM-5  if (__builtin_constant_p (__oflag))11:25
BBM-5    {11:25
Hobbseeoh dear.11:33
Hobbseedid you never hear of pastebins?11:33
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)11:33
BBM-5yeah sorry that was no intention it was in my clipboard and i wanted to paste the pastebin link11:33
BBM-5and then all of a sudden the whole thing was pasted11:34
Hobbseekonversation gives warnings about that11:34
Hobbseeasking if you really want to do that11:34
Hobbsee(by default, anyway)11:34
BBM-5the thing was that every line was sent seperately11:34
BBM-5so it was like paste - send, paste - send11:35
Hobbseehow annoying!11:35
BBM-5yes im sorry for that11:35
Hobbseefwiw, i don't know11:35
BBM-5http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/586 is the pastebin lik11:35
Hobbseei just saw the eye-bleeding effect of screens of paste11:35
BBM-5well then is there something i can do?11:39
Hobbseeno idea, sorry11:39
BBM-5thanks for trying11:39
* Hobbsee only did kde3 stuff11:40
apacheloggerkde 3 \o/11:43
apacheloggerBBM-5: wrong channel11:43
apacheloggerBBM-5: #kubuntu or #kubuntu-de for support11:43
apacheloggervorian: of the choqok dude11:44
BBM-5apachelogger: in kubuntu-de someone said i can try here11:44
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vorianI saw where he wanted us to patch it for him13:20
apacheloggervorian: was just a request for help13:37
cbramarok2 chose to ignore some of the tracks in my music collection again15:02
jjessefrom kontact:Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeoutexpired, or the network connection was broken." "15:03
cbrand some other albums are thoroughly messed up15:03
cbrsongs of one album appear under the other album etc15:04
jjessecbr: i have that same problem with amarok215:04
apacheloggercbr: report that to some dev in #amarok15:27
apacheloggerI am not sure if they know why this messing up happens15:27
* apachelogger guesses the database importer for 1.4 screws up15:28
apacheloggerjjesse: killall -9 kontact15:28
apacheloggerkds needs to be restructured I find the current source structure highly confusing15:31
cbrwell, it worked for some time15:38
cbrit failed a while ago15:38
cbrand now again15:38
nhandlerMeeting is in ~45 minutes, right?18:16
Arbynhandler: yes18:17
nhandlerThanks Arby18:17
jjessewe doing it in #ubuntu-meeting correct/18:20
nhandlerThat is what his email said18:20
voriannhandler: good luck!18:27
vorian-1 nhandler18:27
nhandlervorian: Good luck with what?18:28
vorianum, arent' you applying for kubuntu membership?18:28
nhandlerI didn't put my name down. I haven't met the 2 month requirement18:29
vorianah, i see18:29
nhandlerI could have sworn it was listed as a requiement on the membership page18:29
Riddell"Generally, a minimum of two months of visible, significant activity will be required."18:29
Riddella vauge requirement :)18:30
vorianhurry nhandler! add thyself18:30
apacheloggernot like anyone cares18:30
nhandlerOnly because you called me sir18:30
apacheloggertodo: stop redundant thinking with Riddell18:30
voriankudo's Riddell and apachelogger18:31
vorianapachelogger: should we discuss the 4.1.4 and 4.2 RC1 packaging plan?18:32
vorian(since they are 3 days away)18:32
apacheloggerdoes someone not agree on giving .4 priority?18:32
apacheloggerseems like .4 is a more urgent deployment to get it into -updates ASAP18:32
voriani suppose :)18:34
voriani type, backspace, type, then give in18:34
voriani was just thinking one or two people could handle the .4 release18:37
vorian(and i'm off work for the next 2 weeks)18:37
apacheloggervorian: IMHO it makes most sense to focus on one release, that way we can roll .4 in one or two days and while people continue on rc1 I can do the reviews for .418:38
vorianalrighty, sounds good :)18:39
rgreeningIm going to be a few minutes late. Got a work emergency that came up...18:48
Riddellcouncil roundup: seele, Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy  ten minutes18:48
nixternalroger that18:49
Sputseele: ping18:49
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jjessewow kontact just started up, almost three hours after i clicked on the kontact icon18:56
jjessethat's wierd18:56
Riddell** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting19:03
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seeleSput: pong but i'm in a meeting atm :)19:10
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Sputseele: hm ok, I am currently working on UI issues and was wondering if you had a good way to let a user override default fonts for some things... as you didn't like the checkboxes we used for that in our fonts settings :)19:11
Sput(which I took from konversation's UI)19:11
Sputtalking about slide 52 from your quassel review specifically... would be great if you could get back to me once you got some time :)19:12
seeleSput: well, i think the way System Settings does it in Appearance works.  THere is an option to adjust all, and I think changing the font is less confusing than disabling the font and wondering what font it will be19:51
seelethere is a screenshot in the doc19:51
seelebut the config stuff i'm not as worried about, so if you dont get to it you can think about it later19:51
seele(although the config stuff is probably the easiest stuff to fix :)19:51
Sputseele: so you think there shouldn't be a way to say that one wants to use the app's default font rather than overriding it?19:52
seelethe app's default?19:52
seeleoh.. i'm thinking this is a kde app19:52
Sputyes, there is a global font, and then you can override that for the input line, the treeviews and the chat window19:52
seelethere is no reset to default button, huh19:52
seelewith the kde integration will the default be connected to the default kde system font?19:53
Sputunchecking the box means: use the global font rather than a custom one19:53
seeleyeah, the unchecking thing i think is confusing.. but i guess i never heard konversation users complain about it19:53
Sput(btw, KDE integration also solves the issues with notifications since it just uses knotify)19:54
SputI didn't find a better way to do that... I was looking for a way to label the checkbox [X] Use custom font: [  Courier  ] [..]19:54
Sputbut that looks clumsy19:54
Sputcould maybe just provide a help tooltip?19:55
seelea what's this? you mean.. yeah you could.19:55
seeleyou could probably just leave it as it is for now and focus on other stuff.  it's just weird and i thought could be confusing, but fonts arent going to keep someone from IRCing successfully19:56
Sputas for priorities: EgS is doing the whole mono client stuff, for the toolbar we need to wait for the oxygen guys to give us some icons, so I'm now cleaning up settings pages... in particular fonts and colors19:56
Sputthen we also need to fix the whole bufferview thing and provide sane defaults19:57
jussi01pinheiro tol me to ping him back on the 6th about the icons19:57
Sputbut that should be more or less it19:57
seeleok cool19:57
SputKDE integration is already more or less done19:57
Sputwhat was the deadline again? mid-feb? end-jan?19:58
seeleyes, that's what apachelogger said19:58
seelei think feature freeze is the second week in feb19:58
seelebut you guys look like youre on your way to meeting that no problem :)19:58
Sputwell we do our best :)19:58
SputI think the stuff from your "Recommendations" slide should be possible, and we'll fix a lot of the minor UI issues on our way19:59
Sputoh, and I'll make sure to hide non-implemented config options rather than displaying them as disabled :)20:00
Sputthat seemed to confuse you a couple times20:00
seeleif it is a feature someone wants, they'll look around to see how to enable it20:01
seeleif it's there it's easy to assume it is implemented20:01
Sputyes, I guess so... those are remnants of the time when we hardly had any features in the UI, and had a lot of stuff there to see how it could look like and what to implement next20:01
Sputalso, we didn't have many users back then :)20:01
* apachelogger was an early user :D20:02
Sputyeah, you kept kicking my butt before our first release20:02
SputI remember you pestering me at last FOSDEM :p20:02
seelehah.. yeah20:02
* jussi01 was an early user also...20:03
Sputyep, and you still didn't get scripting support :/20:04
jussi01only cause I havent done my homework20:05
Sputjussi01: nah, not your fault :)20:08
SputI don't think we'd gotten to that earlier anyway tbh20:08
Sputcould be a nice feature for 0.5 though :)20:09
jussi01Sput: actually, how early you got to it depends on how much I annoy you... :P20:09
Sputjussi01: nah, my mental ignore is quite powerful20:09
jussi01s/annoy/vodka I send/?? :P20:10
Sputseele: ok, so I'll do it the konversation way with the checkboxes and use an on-hover tooltip in the disabled case so people know what to do with it20:10
Sputjussi01: hmm, that helped a lot actually :)20:10
Sputwe didn't discuss scripting that evening, but I remember being quite productive20:11
jussi01Sput: it was meant as a thank you, not as a "I expect somethign from you"20:11
Sputjussi01: I know :)20:11
Sputand it was one of the coolest thank yous we ever got20:11
Sputand quite tasty20:11
Sputseele: one more question: we are going to have separate config pages for global, the chat window, channel lists and nicklist... I wonder if I should put the appropriate font/color options right there, rather than collecting them on one page20:15
Sputso you wouldn't find all the color options in one place, but in the widget's config page20:16
seeleSput: context is good, especially if people tend to only change one group of settings vs the others20:16
seelebut since i dont know how much users configure that stuff, i dont know if it is a good idea or would piss off some people20:16
seelethat sounds like something else to put on the TODO-LATER list.. once you get more people using it you could ask them what color settings they change, etc.20:17
Sputour users generally want full theming :) but I don't think it's too much of a hassle for them to go to the widget's config page, rather than choosing 5 tabs in a color page20:17
Sputwell, I want to get rid of our current color dialog :)20:17
Sputit's a mess, UI and code wise20:17
seeleah, well that is a good excuse to do it that way20:17
jussi01it horrible20:17
Sputalso I noticed on your screenshots that our color buttons look alll effed up on your setup too20:18
Sputthought that was a macos-only-problem :)20:18
seeleyeah.. was that just me?20:18
seelei didnt know why one of them look weirdly disabled but then the other one didnt20:18
Sputthey *should* have a border20:18
seeleoh that. i didnt notice that20:18
SputI'll have a look at KColorButton20:18
Sputwe'll need to reimplement it of course, since we can't rely on KDE widgets, but it should help make it look better20:19
=== vorian is now known as wonderful
=== blueyed_ is now known as blueyed
* JontheEchidna thought he'd be home earlier... oh well21:16
* jussi01 waves to JontheEchidna21:31
JontheEchidnaanybody have minutes of the meeting?21:36
nixternalJontheEchidna: don't think anyone created any minutes....we need to start that back up...I can create minutes this evening if nobody else is going to do it before then21:42
jussi01Riddell: you around?21:51
Riddellhi jussi0121:58
jussi01Riddell: got a quick moment for a PM?21:58
Riddellcan do21:58
ScottKHow'd the meeting go?22:00
Riddellnhandler: added you to kubuntu-members, your <lpid>@kubuntu.org e-mail should set itself up sometime in the next week22:00
RiddellScottK: we welcomed nhandler as our newest member22:04
ScottKRiddell: Great.22:04
ScottKnhandler: Congratuatlions.22:04
ArbyI'm trying to get system-config-printer-kde to work as a kcm module and regardless of what I do I keep getting this22:10
Arbycould someone check my .desktop file and see if I've done anything obviously wrong22:11
JontheEchidnathe problem would most likely be with kcm-spck.py22:20
ArbyJontheEchidna: probably but just ruling out possibilities22:23
JontheEchidnaI don't see anything obviously wrong22:24
nixternalScottK: apachelogger was talking about qtcurve in the meeting, so if you get a chance look through the log files to see it...I told him about the issue you found and I confirmed with that crappy patch22:24
JontheEchidnaArby: got a bzr branch?22:25
ArbyJontheEchidna: not for this no :(22:25
ArbyI think I'll have to make one22:25
Arbythis is the terminal output from trying to run it22:26
ArbyJontheEchidna: if you're interested it's now at22:32
* JontheEchidna pokes around22:32
Arbyfeel free :)22:33
jjessewhere in the kde svn is kpackagekit?22:38
Arbyjjesse: seems to be here http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/22:39
jjesseArby: thanks22:39
JontheEchidnaArby: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/99260/22:42
Arbyhmm, I thought I'd got all of those22:43
JontheEchidnamaybe I need to update my installed version of the .ui file?22:43
JontheEchidnathat fixed it22:44
JontheEchidnanow I've gotten as far as you22:44
ArbyJontheEchidna: I'm about to go offline, if you have any bright ideas feel free to commit to that branch22:48
JontheEchidnacomparing the types of kcm that jockey and spck return22:48
JontheEchidnakcm in jockey is a PyKcm object22:48
JontheEchidnakcm in spck is a GUI object22:49
JontheEchidnasomehow makeui isn't returning a kcm22:49
JontheEchidna<jockey-kcm.PyKcm object at 0xb2c1c06c>22:49
JontheEchidna<kcm-scpk.GUI object at 0xb2d48d2c>22:49
JontheEchidnaI'll look in to it22:50
Arbyreturn self should be return self.ui I think22:50
Arbylet me have a quick try22:50
JontheEchidnayeah, you'll need to return the ui22:50
Arbyhooray it displays now22:51
ArbyJontheEchidna: thanks for the pointer, I've been chasing that for hours22:52
JontheEchidnahope you aren't bald :P22:52
Arbyno but I have no fingernails left22:52
Arbynow I just need to make it actually work :)22:52
ArbyI'll push the fix anyway22:53
JontheEchidnaoh, and you should probably take out the self.show() in makeui22:53
JontheEchidnait makes the widget appear before the kcm breifly22:53
JontheEchidnasetWindowIcon is probably not needed either, but I guess we still have plenty months to polish stuff and I could easily commit this myself :P22:54
Arbyok thanks22:54
ArbyJontheEchidna: it needs a whole tin of polish on the code22:54
JontheEchidnaha, I crashed it22:55
JontheEchidnashit, same crash as jockey22:55
Arbycan't say I'm surprised22:55
Arbyoh maybe I am22:55
Arbyif you're any good with layouts that could use some love to22:57
Arbyit looks awful if you maximise the window22:57
JontheEchidnaI think I'm starting to get the hang of them...22:57
JontheEchidnathey're a bit of a pain in that I find myself undoing the layouts to change stuff often22:58
ArbyJontheEchidna: can you try it through System Settings, does it work for you?22:59
Arbyfor it works from kcmshell but not from System Settings22:59
Arbys/for/for me/22:59
JontheEchidnaeek, systemsettings is hanging23:00
Arbywhich is wierd23:00
Arbywierder and wierder23:00
JontheEchidnaoh, there it goes. I still had the kcm open in gdb23:00
JontheEchidnadoesn't work :/23:00
Arbyif I run systemsettings from konsole it just loaded23:01
Arbybut if I start it from the menu it doesn't23:01
Arbythat's just nuts23:01
JontheEchidnasame here23:01
JontheEchidnabut if I start it from the konsole in SS I also get this blank window when I open the kcm23:02
JontheEchidnatotally weird23:02
ArbyI think that's the call to .show()23:02
JontheEchidnayeah, I should bzr pull23:02
ArbyI removed that and it goes away23:02
Arbylet me push again first23:03
ArbyJontheEchidna: ok go ahead, I'm done for tonight23:05
JontheEchidnaooh, dinner time23:06

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