[00:02] <apachelogger> NCommander: just gimme the bug numbers
[00:03] <apachelogger> and if possible ensure the changed portions work properly at runtime
[00:04] <NCommander> apachelogger, we have it all on non-arm archs working fine
[00:04] <NCommander> ;-)
[00:04] <apachelogger> vorian: more micro-blogging backends on the todo
[00:05] <apachelogger> NCommander: well, the change is not all that useful if it causes runtime issues on arm, is it? :P
[00:42] <vorian> apachelogger: where?
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> halp: http://imagebin.ca/view/z4fue3.html
[03:02] <vorian>  what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online.
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> ^not a permissions problem, same thing happens with root. (It really seems to be an invalid optoin)
[04:33] <ScottK> NCommander: There might be a narrow window here for some sponsorship if you're still looking for it.
[04:34] <crimsun> ScottK: (if that offer extends beyond NCommander, i may have texmacs for you)
[04:34] <crimsun> (test-building ATM)
[04:34] <ScottK> crimsun: This is the one with 200MB of build-deps?
[04:35] <crimsun> Need to get 33.5MB/62.1MB of archives. After unpacking 201MB will be used.
[04:35] <crimsun> i think around 62 if you have a bare pbuilder
[04:36] <ScottK> OK.  Shoot me a debdiff when you're ready and if I'm still up/sufficiently sober I'll have a look.
[04:36] <crimsun> ScottK: ok.
[04:47] <NCommander> ScottK, here
[04:48] <ScottK> heya.
[04:48] <NCommander> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontforge/+bug/313311
[04:50]  * ScottK looks.
[05:01] <ScottK> NCommander: Is perhaps "call_libtool_correctly" a patch name that might be seen as a bit of a stick in the eye by the Debian Maintainers of the package?
[05:02] <NCommander> Not really, Ubuntu's libtool acts differently than debians
[05:02] <NCommander> (or at least that seems to be the issue)
[05:02] <NCommander> oh wait
[05:02] <NCommander> That one
[05:02] <NCommander> No, that was a stick in the eye for fontforge's devs
[05:02] <NCommander> libtool for years had big warning lights that support for not having --mode would go away
[05:02] <NCommander> and it did
[05:03] <NCommander> fontforge is the first program I saw that actually broke.
[05:05] <ScottK> OK. Fair enough.
[05:09] <ScottK> Just did my DM upload to Debian.  Let's see if you broke anything ....
[05:14] <ScottK> I figured out why on Ubuntu Hall of Fame I've been scoring at or near the top of the uploaders for sponsoring list.
[05:14] <ScottK> Because of the way my LP account is set up, my uploades show up as changed-by scott@kitterman.com and signed-by ubuntu@kitterman.com so every upload I do looks like it's a sponsorship upload.
[05:15] <ScottK> NCommander: How long does this tack to build?
[05:15] <ScottK> tack/take
[05:15] <NCommander> 10-15 minutes?
[05:15] <nhandler> Cheater ScottK ;)
[05:15] <ScottK> Ok.
[05:15] <ScottK> nhandler: Not on purpose.
[05:15] <nhandler> I know
[05:15] <NCommander> ScottK, well, no one has complained about broken uploads yet
[05:15] <NCommander> and we've had two dinstalls
[05:16] <NCommander> so far so good.
[05:16]  * NCommander notes Debian is on a fast track to matching Launchpad's dinstall every hour
[05:17]  * NCommander is fairly sure Soyuz manages to do that by throwing a lot of hardware at the problem
[05:29] <ScottK> NCommander: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.  You're sending the changes to Debian, right?
[05:30] <NCommander> It doesn't FTBFS there, but I will ping the fontforge maintainer
[05:31] <ScottK> NCommander: Isn't there a newer libtool in experimental?
[05:31]  * ScottK is guessing that'll break it after Lenny is released.
[06:01]  * ScottK is off to bed.  Good night all.
[11:04] <BBM-5> moin!
[11:05] <BBM-5> kann mir jemand mit meinem problem helfen? versuche gerade KGtk zu kompilieren
[11:05] <BBM-5> cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ -DKGTK_KDE4=true -DKGTK_QT4=true -DKGTK_GTK2=false lief ohne fehler durch
[11:06] <BBM-5> aber beim make meckert er
[11:06] <BBM-5> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/585
[11:12] <BBM-5> keiner?
[11:12] <Tm_T> erm
[11:12] <Tm_T> BBM-5: can we get that in english?
[11:13] <BBM-5> oh yeah of course ^^
[11:13] <BBM-5> i try to compile KGtk
[11:13] <BBM-5> cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ -DKGTK_KDE4=true -DKGTK_QT4=true -DKGTK_GTK2=false run through without any mistakes
[11:14] <BBM-5> then i tried make and the result is what you can see in pastebin
[11:14] <BBM-5> i already installed "root-system" but nothing changed
[11:22] <BBM-5> here is the fcntl2.h:
[11:22] <BBM-5> /* Checking macros for fcntl functions.
[11:22] <BBM-5>    Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[11:22] <BBM-5>    This file is part of the GNU C Library.
[11:22] <BBM-5>    The GNU C Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
[11:23] <BBM-5>    modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public
[11:23] <BBM-5>    License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either
[11:23] <BBM-5>    version 2.1 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
[11:23] <BBM-5>    The GNU C Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
[11:23] <BBM-5>    but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
[11:23] <BBM-5>    MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
[11:23] <BBM-5>    Lesser General Public License for more details.
[11:23] <BBM-5>    You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public
[11:23] <BBM-5>    License along with the GNU C Library; if not, write to the Free
[11:23] <BBM-5>    Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA
[11:23] <BBM-5>    02111-1307 USA.  */
[11:23] <BBM-5> #ifndef	_FCNTL_H
[11:23] <BBM-5> # error "Never include <bits/fcntl2.h> directly; use <fcntl.h> instead."
[11:23] <BBM-5> #endif
[11:23] <BBM-5> /* Check that calls to open and openat with O_CREAT set have an
[11:23] <BBM-5>    appropriate third/fourth parameter.  */
[11:23] <BBM-5> #ifndef __USE_FILE_OFFSET64
[11:23] <BBM-5> extern int __open_2 (__const char *__path, int __oflag) __nonnull ((1));
[11:23] <BBM-5> extern int __REDIRECT (__open_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...),
[11:23] <BBM-5> 		       open) __nonnull ((1));
[11:23] <BBM-5> #else
[11:23] <BBM-5> extern int __REDIRECT (__open_2, (__const char *__path, int __oflag),
[11:23] <BBM-5> 		       __open64_2) __nonnull ((1));
[11:23] <BBM-5> extern int __REDIRECT (__open_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...),
[11:23] <BBM-5> 		       open64) __nonnull ((1));
[11:23] <BBM-5> #endif
[11:23] <BBM-5> __errordecl (__open_too_many_args,
[11:23] <BBM-5> 	     "open can be called either with 2 or 3 arguments, not more");
[11:23] <BBM-5> __errordecl (__open_missing_mode,
[11:23] <BBM-5> 	     "open with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments");
[11:23] <BBM-5> __extern_always_inline int
[11:23] <BBM-5> open (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...)
[11:24] <BBM-5> {
[11:24] <BBM-5>   if (__va_arg_pack_len () > 1)
[11:24] <BBM-5>     __open_too_many_args ();
[11:24] <BBM-5>   if (__builtin_constant_p (__oflag))
[11:24] <BBM-5>     {
[11:24] <BBM-5>       if ((__oflag & O_CREAT) != 0 && __va_arg_pack_len () < 1)
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	{
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	  __open_missing_mode ();
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	  return __open_2 (__path, __oflag);
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	}
[11:24] <BBM-5>       return __open_alias (__path, __oflag, __va_arg_pack ());
[11:24] <BBM-5>     }
[11:24] <BBM-5>   if (__va_arg_pack_len () < 1)
[11:24] <BBM-5>     return __open_2 (__path, __oflag);
[11:24] <BBM-5>   return __open_alias (__path, __oflag, __va_arg_pack ());
[11:24] <BBM-5> }
[11:24] <BBM-5> #ifdef __USE_LARGEFILE64
[11:24] <BBM-5> extern int __open64_2 (__const char *__path, int __oflag) __nonnull ((1));
[11:24] <BBM-5> extern int __REDIRECT (__open64_alias, (__const char *__path, int __oflag,
[11:24] <BBM-5> 					...), open64) __nonnull ((1));
[11:24] <BBM-5> __errordecl (__open64_too_many_args,
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	     "open64 can be called either with 2 or 3 arguments, not more");
[11:24] <BBM-5> __errordecl (__open64_missing_mode,
[11:24] <BBM-5> 	     "open64 with O_CREAT in second argument needs 3 arguments");
[11:24] <BBM-5> __extern_always_inline int
[11:25] <BBM-5> open64 (__const char *__path, int __oflag, ...)
[11:25] <BBM-5> {
[11:25] <BBM-5>   if (__va_arg_pack_len () > 1)
[11:25] <BBM-5>     __open64_too_many_args ();
[11:25] <BBM-5>   if (__builtin_constant_p (__oflag))
[11:25] <BBM-5>     {
[11:28] <BBM-5> help!
[11:29] <BBM-5> :(
[11:33] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[11:33] <Hobbsee> did you never hear of pastebins?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[11:33] <BBM-5> yeah sorry that was no intention it was in my clipboard and i wanted to paste the pastebin link
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:34] <BBM-5> and then all of a sudden the whole thing was pasted
[11:34] <Hobbsee> konversation gives warnings about that
[11:34] <Hobbsee> asking if you really want to do that
[11:34] <Hobbsee> (by default, anyway)
[11:34] <BBM-5> the thing was that every line was sent seperately
[11:34] <Hobbsee> urgh!
[11:35] <BBM-5> so it was like paste - send, paste - send
[11:35] <Hobbsee> how annoying!
[11:35] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:35] <BBM-5> yes im sorry for that
[11:35] <Hobbsee> fwiw, i don't know
[11:35] <BBM-5> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/586 is the pastebin lik
[11:35] <Hobbsee> i just saw the eye-bleeding effect of screens of paste
[11:39] <BBM-5> well then is there something i can do?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> no idea, sorry
[11:39] <BBM-5> thanks for trying
[11:40]  * Hobbsee only did kde3 stuff
[11:43] <apachelogger> kde 3 \o/
[11:43] <apachelogger> BBM-5: wrong channel
[11:43] <apachelogger> BBM-5: #kubuntu or #kubuntu-de for support
[11:43] <apachelogger> kthx
[11:44] <apachelogger> vorian: of the choqok dude
[11:44] <BBM-5> apachelogger: in kubuntu-de someone said i can try here
[13:20] <vorian> morning'
[13:20] <vorian> s
[13:20] <vorian> apachelogger:
[13:20] <vorian> I saw where he wanted us to patch it for him
[13:37] <apachelogger> vorian: was just a request for help
[13:38] <vorian> righto
[14:06] <apachelogger> http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/q4wine?content=85751
[14:06] <vorian> :o
[15:02] <cbr> nice
[15:02] <cbr> amarok2 chose to ignore some of the tracks in my music collection again
[15:03] <jjesse> from kontact:Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeoutexpired, or the network connection was broken." "
[15:03] <cbr> and some other albums are thoroughly messed up
[15:04] <cbr> songs of one album appear under the other album etc
[15:04] <jjesse> cbr: i have that same problem with amarok2
[15:27] <apachelogger> cbr: report that to some dev in #amarok
[15:27] <apachelogger> I am not sure if they know why this messing up happens
[15:28]  * apachelogger guesses the database importer for 1.4 screws up
[15:28] <apachelogger> jjesse: killall -9 kontact
[15:31] <apachelogger> kds needs to be restructured I find the current source structure highly confusing
[15:38] <cbr> well, it worked for some time
[15:38] <cbr> it failed a while ago
[15:38] <cbr> and now again
[18:16] <nhandler> Meeting is in ~45 minutes, right?
[18:17] <Arby> nhandler: yes
[18:17] <nhandler> Thanks Arby
[18:20] <jjesse> we doing it in #ubuntu-meeting correct/
[18:20] <nhandler> That is what his email said
[18:27] <vorian> \o/
[18:27] <vorian> nhandler: good luck!
[18:27] <vorian> -1 nhandler
[18:27] <vorian> oops
[18:28] <nhandler> vorian: Good luck with what?
[18:28] <vorian> um, arent' you applying for kubuntu membership?
[18:29] <nhandler> I didn't put my name down. I haven't met the 2 month requirement
[18:29] <vorian> ah, i see
[18:29] <Riddell> requirement?
[18:29] <nhandler> I could have sworn it was listed as a requiement on the membership page
[18:29] <Riddell> "Generally, a minimum of two months of visible, significant activity will be required."
[18:30] <Riddell> a vauge requirement :)
[18:30] <nhandler> lol
[18:30] <vorian> hurry nhandler! add thyself
[18:30] <nhandler> Fine
[18:30] <apachelogger> not like anyone cares
[18:30] <nhandler> Only because you called me sir
[18:30] <apachelogger> hm
[18:30] <vorian> :)
[18:30] <apachelogger> todo: stop redundant thinking with Riddell
[18:31] <vorian> kudo's Riddell and apachelogger
[18:32] <vorian> apachelogger: should we discuss the 4.1.4 and 4.2 RC1 packaging plan?
[18:32] <vorian> (since they are 3 days away)
[18:32] <apachelogger> does someone not agree on giving .4 priority?
[18:32] <apachelogger> seems like .4 is a more urgent deployment to get it into -updates ASAP
[18:34] <vorian> i suppose :)
[18:34] <vorian> i type, backspace, type, then give in
[18:36] <apachelogger> lol
[18:37] <vorian> i was just thinking one or two people could handle the .4 release
[18:37] <vorian> (and i'm off work for the next 2 weeks)
[18:38] <apachelogger> vorian: IMHO it makes most sense to focus on one release, that way we can roll .4 in one or two days and while people continue on rc1 I can do the reviews for .4
[18:39] <vorian> alrighty, sounds good :)
[18:48] <rgreening> Im going to be a few minutes late. Got a work emergency that came up...
[18:48] <Riddell> council roundup: seele, Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy  ten minutes
[18:49] <nixternal> roger that
[18:49] <yuriy> ready
[18:49] <Sput> seele: ping
[18:56] <jjesse> wow kontact just started up, almost three hours after i clicked on the kontact icon
[18:56] <jjesse> that's wierd
[19:03] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:10] <seele> Sput: pong but i'm in a meeting atm :)
[19:11] <Sput> seele: hm ok, I am currently working on UI issues and was wondering if you had a good way to let a user override default fonts for some things... as you didn't like the checkboxes we used for that in our fonts settings :)
[19:11] <Sput> (which I took from konversation's UI)
[19:12] <Sput> talking about slide 52 from your quassel review specifically... would be great if you could get back to me once you got some time :)
[19:51] <seele> Sput: well, i think the way System Settings does it in Appearance works.  THere is an option to adjust all, and I think changing the font is less confusing than disabling the font and wondering what font it will be
[19:51] <seele> there is a screenshot in the doc
[19:51] <seele> but the config stuff i'm not as worried about, so if you dont get to it you can think about it later
[19:51] <seele> (although the config stuff is probably the easiest stuff to fix :)
[19:52] <Sput> seele: so you think there shouldn't be a way to say that one wants to use the app's default font rather than overriding it?
[19:52] <seele> the app's default?
[19:52] <seele> oh.. i'm thinking this is a kde app
[19:52] <Sput> yes, there is a global font, and then you can override that for the input line, the treeviews and the chat window
[19:52] <seele> there is no reset to default button, huh
[19:53] <seele> with the kde integration will the default be connected to the default kde system font?
[19:53] <Sput> unchecking the box means: use the global font rather than a custom one
[19:53] <Sput> yeah
[19:53] <seele> yeah, the unchecking thing i think is confusing.. but i guess i never heard konversation users complain about it
[19:54] <Sput> (btw, KDE integration also solves the issues with notifications since it just uses knotify)
[19:54] <seele> cool
[19:54] <Sput> I didn't find a better way to do that... I was looking for a way to label the checkbox [X] Use custom font: [  Courier  ] [..]
[19:54] <Sput> but that looks clumsy
[19:55] <Sput> could maybe just provide a help tooltip?
[19:55] <seele> a what's this? you mean.. yeah you could.
[19:56] <seele> you could probably just leave it as it is for now and focus on other stuff.  it's just weird and i thought could be confusing, but fonts arent going to keep someone from IRCing successfully
[19:56] <Sput> as for priorities: EgS is doing the whole mono client stuff, for the toolbar we need to wait for the oxygen guys to give us some icons, so I'm now cleaning up settings pages... in particular fonts and colors
[19:57] <Sput> then we also need to fix the whole bufferview thing and provide sane defaults
[19:57] <jussi01> pinheiro tol me to ping him back on the 6th about the icons
[19:57] <Sput> but that should be more or less it
[19:57] <Sput> yep
[19:57] <seele> ok cool
[19:57] <Sput> KDE integration is already more or less done
[19:58] <Sput> what was the deadline again? mid-feb? end-jan?
[19:58] <seele> yes, that's what apachelogger said
[19:58] <seele> i think feature freeze is the second week in feb
[19:58] <Sput> ok
[19:58] <seele> but you guys look like youre on your way to meeting that no problem :)
[19:58] <Sput> well we do our best :)
[19:59] <Sput> I think the stuff from your "Recommendations" slide should be possible, and we'll fix a lot of the minor UI issues on our way
[20:00] <Sput> oh, and I'll make sure to hide non-implemented config options rather than displaying them as disabled :)
[20:00] <Sput> that seemed to confuse you a couple times
[20:00] <seele> :)
[20:01] <seele> if it is a feature someone wants, they'll look around to see how to enable it
[20:01] <seele> if it's there it's easy to assume it is implemented
[20:01] <Sput> yes, I guess so... those are remnants of the time when we hardly had any features in the UI, and had a lot of stuff there to see how it could look like and what to implement next
[20:01] <Sput> also, we didn't have many users back then :)
[20:02]  * apachelogger was an early user :D
[20:02] <Sput> yeah, you kept kicking my butt before our first release
[20:02] <Sput> I remember you pestering me at last FOSDEM :p
[20:02] <seele> hah.. yeah
[20:03]  * jussi01 was an early user also...
[20:04] <Sput> yep, and you still didn't get scripting support :/
[20:05] <jussi01> only cause I havent done my homework
[20:08] <Sput> jussi01: nah, not your fault :)
[20:08] <Sput> I don't think we'd gotten to that earlier anyway tbh
[20:09] <jussi01> good
[20:09] <Sput> could be a nice feature for 0.5 though :)
[20:09] <jussi01> Sput: actually, how early you got to it depends on how much I annoy you... :P
[20:09] <Sput> jussi01: nah, my mental ignore is quite powerful
[20:10] <jussi01> s/annoy/vodka I send/?? :P
[20:10] <Sput> seele: ok, so I'll do it the konversation way with the checkboxes and use an on-hover tooltip in the disabled case so people know what to do with it
[20:10] <Sput> jussi01: hmm, that helped a lot actually :)
[20:11] <Sput> we didn't discuss scripting that evening, but I remember being quite productive
[20:11] <jussi01> Sput: it was meant as a thank you, not as a "I expect somethign from you"
[20:11] <Sput> jussi01: I know :)
[20:11] <Sput> and it was one of the coolest thank yous we ever got
[20:11] <Sput> and quite tasty
[20:12] <apachelogger> haha
[20:15] <Sput> seele: one more question: we are going to have separate config pages for global, the chat window, channel lists and nicklist... I wonder if I should put the appropriate font/color options right there, rather than collecting them on one page
[20:16] <Sput> so you wouldn't find all the color options in one place, but in the widget's config page
[20:16] <seele> Sput: context is good, especially if people tend to only change one group of settings vs the others
[20:16] <seele> but since i dont know how much users configure that stuff, i dont know if it is a good idea or would piss off some people
[20:17] <seele> that sounds like something else to put on the TODO-LATER list.. once you get more people using it you could ask them what color settings they change, etc.
[20:17] <Sput> our users generally want full theming :) but I don't think it's too much of a hassle for them to go to the widget's config page, rather than choosing 5 tabs in a color page
[20:17] <Sput> mhm
[20:17] <Sput> well, I want to get rid of our current color dialog :)
[20:17] <Sput> it's a mess, UI and code wise
[20:17] <seele> ah, well that is a good excuse to do it that way
[20:17] <jussi01> it horrible
[20:18] <Sput> also I noticed on your screenshots that our color buttons look alll effed up on your setup too
[20:18] <Sput> thought that was a macos-only-problem :)
[20:18] <seele> yeah.. was that just me?
[20:18] <seele> i didnt know why one of them look weirdly disabled but then the other one didnt
[20:18] <Sput> they *should* have a border
[20:18] <seele> oh that. i didnt notice that
[20:18] <Sput> I'll have a look at KColorButton
[20:19] <Sput> we'll need to reimplement it of course, since we can't rely on KDE widgets, but it should help make it look better
[21:16]  * JontheEchidna thought he'd be home earlier... oh well
[21:31]  * jussi01 waves to JontheEchidna
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> anybody have minutes of the meeting?
[21:42] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: don't think anyone created any minutes....we need to start that back up...I can create minutes this evening if nobody else is going to do it before then
[21:51] <jussi01> Riddell: you around?
[21:58] <Riddell> hi jussi01
[21:58] <jussi01> Riddell: got a quick moment for a PM?
[21:58] <Riddell> can do
[22:00] <ScottK> How'd the meeting go?
[22:00] <Riddell> nhandler: added you to kubuntu-members, your <lpid>@kubuntu.org e-mail should set itself up sometime in the next week
[22:04] <Riddell> ScottK: we welcomed nhandler as our newest member
[22:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.
[22:04] <ScottK> nhandler: Congratuatlions.
[22:10] <Arby> I'm trying to get system-config-printer-kde to work as a kcm module and regardless of what I do I keep getting this
[22:10] <Arby> http://imagebin.ca/view/bRC2wLi.html
[22:11] <Arby> could someone check my .desktop file and see if I've done anything obviously wrong
[22:11] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/99237/
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> the problem would most likely be with kcm-spck.py
[22:23] <Arby> JontheEchidna: probably but just ruling out possibilities
[22:24] <JontheEchidna> I don't see anything obviously wrong
[22:24] <nixternal> ScottK: apachelogger was talking about qtcurve in the meeting, so if you get a chance look through the log files to see it...I told him about the issue you found and I confirmed with that crappy patch
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> Arby: got a bzr branch?
[22:25] <Arby> JontheEchidna: not for this no :(
[22:25] <Arby> I think I'll have to make one
[22:26] <Arby> this is the terminal output from trying to run it
[22:26] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/99247/
[22:32] <Arby> JontheEchidna: if you're interested it's now at
[22:32] <Arby> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kcm-scpk
[22:32]  * JontheEchidna pokes around
[22:33] <Arby> feel free :)
[22:38] <jjesse> where in the kde svn is kpackagekit?
[22:39] <Arby> jjesse: seems to be here http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/
[22:39] <jjesse> Arby: thanks
[22:42] <JontheEchidna> Arby: http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/99260/
[22:43] <Arby> hmm, I thought I'd got all of those
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe I need to update my installed version of the .ui file?
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> that fixed it
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> now I've gotten as far as you
[22:48] <Arby> JontheEchidna: I'm about to go offline, if you have any bright ideas feel free to commit to that branch
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> comparing the types of kcm that jockey and spck return
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> kcm in jockey is a PyKcm object
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> kcm in spck is a GUI object
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> somehow makeui isn't returning a kcm
[22:49] <Arby> hmm
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> <jockey-kcm.PyKcm object at 0xb2c1c06c>
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> <kcm-scpk.GUI object at 0xb2d48d2c>
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> I'll look in to it
[22:50] <Arby> return self should be return self.ui I think
[22:50] <Arby> let me have a quick try
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you'll need to return the ui
[22:51] <Arby> hooray it displays now
[22:51] <Arby> :D
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[22:52] <Arby> JontheEchidna: thanks for the pointer, I've been chasing that for hours
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> yw
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> hope you aren't bald :P
[22:52] <Arby> no but I have no fingernails left
[22:52] <Arby> now I just need to make it actually work :)
[22:53] <Arby> I'll push the fix anyway
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, and you should probably take out the self.show() in makeui
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> it makes the widget appear before the kcm breifly
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> setWindowIcon is probably not needed either, but I guess we still have plenty months to polish stuff and I could easily commit this myself :P
[22:54] <Arby> ok thanks
[22:54] <Arby> JontheEchidna: it needs a whole tin of polish on the code
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> ha, I crashed it
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> shit, same crash as jockey
[22:55] <Arby> can't say I'm surprised
[22:55] <Arby> oh maybe I am
[22:57] <Arby> if you're any good with layouts that could use some love to
[22:57] <Arby> it looks awful if you maximise the window
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> I think I'm starting to get the hang of them...
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> they're a bit of a pain in that I find myself undoing the layouts to change stuff often
[22:59] <Arby> JontheEchidna: can you try it through System Settings, does it work for you?
[22:59] <Arby> for it works from kcmshell but not from System Settings
[22:59] <Arby> s/for/for me/
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> eek, systemsettings is hanging
[23:00] <Arby> which is wierd
[23:00] <Arby> wierder and wierder
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> oh, there it goes. I still had the kcm open in gdb
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> doesn't work :/
[23:01] <Arby> if I run systemsettings from konsole it just loaded
[23:01] <Arby> but if I start it from the menu it doesn't
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> hmmmm
[23:01] <Arby> that's just nuts
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> same here
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> but if I start it from the konsole in SS I also get this blank window when I open the kcm
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> totally weird
[23:02] <Arby> I think that's the call to .show()
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I should bzr pull
[23:02] <Arby> I removed that and it goes away
[23:03] <Arby> let me push again first
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> kk
[23:05] <Arby> JontheEchidna: ok go ahead, I'm done for tonight
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> ttyl
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> ooh, dinner time