[00:14] <wildbat> hi there ~ anyone know how do i setup pawersaving option like turn off monitor , HDD etc?
[00:18] <elliottm> hi, i'm getting absolutely no sound from my brand new intel ich10 integrated sound card, i followed all of the steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449 with no improvement. lspci sees two sound devices: the one in my motherboard, and another one apparently integrated into my radeon hd3870.
[00:18] <elliottm> i think the problem may be that "cat /proc/asound/modules" shows two devices (snd_hda_intel) with the same name, and it's somehow picking the wrong one
[00:19] <genii> intel hda cards are constantly being problemmatic
[00:19] <genii> There was a factoid for it but since pulseaudio I'm not sure if it applies, since for alsa
[00:19] <genii> !intelhda
[00:20] <crimsun> elliottm: what's your alsa-info.sh url?
[00:20] <crimsun> genii: pulseaudio doesn't apply to kubuntu 8.10
[00:21] <elliottm> crimsun: how do I find that?
[00:21] <crimsun> elliottm: you would have run that script if you had followed the DebuggingSoundProblems wiki page
[00:26] <elliottm> crimsun: sorry, i decided to pass by that section until i decided i couldn't fix it. http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=e3a944eb69cf7dcb64e59292f27b0c7404f47c3d
[00:27] <crimsun> elliottm: err, a lot of these mixer controls are muted and/or zeroed...
[00:28] <floryn90> ciao a tutti!!
[00:28] <crimsun> elliottm: i would have assumed that you would have unmuted [and set to %80] at least 'Front', 'Surround', 'Center', 'Side', 'LFE', and 'PCM'...
[00:30] <elliottm> no effect
[00:30] <crimsun> elliottm: rerun the script
[00:32] <zig> hi all, what service should I restart to restart the NetworkManager process ?
[00:32] <crimsun> sudo service NetworkManager restart
[00:32] <crimsun> presuming you're using at least 8.10
[00:32] <zig> I think NetworkManager has a memory leak , after a week it uses 78Mb
[00:33] <zig> no I'm under 8.04
[00:33] <elliottm> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d1d0f2223e125dcf314efb60b3bd93595d892ca8
[00:33] <crimsun> elliottm: um, those elements are still muted.
[00:34] <elliottm> i'm looking at kmix right now
[00:34] <crimsun> you need to UNmute them (all save 'PCM', which lacks a mute control)
[00:34] <elliottm> nothing is muted
[00:34] <crimsun> i think you're misreading Kmix
[00:34] <crimsun> your alsa-info.sh output clearly indicates that those elements are muted
[00:35] <zig> crimsun, so, previous 8.10, what service is responsible of starting NetworkManager ?
[00:35] <elliottm> oh fuck me
[00:35] <crimsun> zig: probably restarting hal should suffice
[00:36] <elliottm> my eyes completely passed over the lights above the volume bars :(
[00:36] <zig> ah ok , thanks
[00:36] <elliottm> i just assumed muted==volume all the way down
[00:36] <genii> elliottm: Please watch the language
[00:38] <zig> crimsun, ah, it was dbus in fact
[00:38] <elliottm> why would that stuff be muted by default?
[00:38] <crimsun> zig: err, then you would need to restart hal, too.
[00:38] <elliottm> this is a fresh installation, i haven't touched anything
[00:39] <zig> crimsun, but restarting hal wasn't enough; restarting dbus restarted a lot of other things on the other hannd
[00:40] <crimsun> zig: i normally did a dbus force-reload then restarted hal
[00:40] <crimsun> zig: that was on GNOME, however
[00:40] <zig> and did you  observe this memory leak too ?
[00:43] <crimsun> no, i haven't used hardy on my main desktop for many months
[00:45] <zig> ok there 's a bug about that already : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/network-manager/+bug/203016
[00:53] <chris_> can anyone tell me how to fix "no sound" issue after reinstalling kubuntu.  I have to "sudo alsamixer" and unmute each time.
[00:55] <zig> chris_, is your normal user in the audio group ?
[00:56] <chris_> zig: thanks, how can i tell??
[00:56] <zig> have a look into the /etc/group file, or go to System Settings -> User Management
[00:58] <casa> ciao christian
[00:58] <p_quarles> zig, chris: or just type "groups" in the terminal
[01:00] <chris_> p_quarles: thanks I get:  chris adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[01:00] <chris_> zig: couldnt find user management or a group folder in etc folder
[01:02] <p_quarles>  /etc/group isn't a folder, it's a file; and the group memberships are the default, so shouldn't be the source of the problem
[01:02] <zig> chris_, now you can type "sudo adduser chris audio" to add yourself to the audio group
[01:03] <zig> apprently you were not part of it
[01:03] <chris_> zig: thanks
[01:03] <p_quarles> zig: not supposed to be part of that group
[01:03] <p_quarles> zig: since it doesn't exist
[01:04] <zig> ? I do have a audio group
[01:04] <p_quarles> sorry, I misspoke - it exists, but the user need not be part of it
[01:04] <genii> audio group should be a default core group
[01:04] <p_quarles> it's for pulseaudio
[01:05] <p_quarles> genii: but it's not
[01:05] <zig> crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 14, 0 2008-12-25 11:23 /dev/mixer
[01:05] <chris_> i believe i somehow played with some options switching to alsa or something before but dont remember how
[01:05] <chris_> when i fixed it before
[01:05] <zig> if you want to control the mlxer you need to be part of this group
[01:06] <zig> if you want to output sound directly via alsa or oss, you also need to be part of this group
[01:07] <chris_> zig where can i select which i want for sound output?
[01:07] <zig> and  normally, new created users are part of the audio group, with default  kubuntu install
[01:08] <zig> chris_, it depends of the software you're using, but anyway, try to log restart your computer now , so that the new group configuration is taken in account
[01:08] <p_quarles> again, audio is not a default group for Kubuntu 8.10 - on my system at least; my user is not a member there of, and I have had no problems with sound
[01:08] <zig> or just restart X
[01:09] <chris_> zig: ill just restart and report back
[01:09] <zig> ah well I don't know about 8.10
[01:09] <p_quarles> I think people are going on traditional Debian Linux models, which Ubuntu is more and more departing from with each release
[01:09] <p_quarles> it's not a bad guess, but it's unlikely to resovle the issue chris is facing
[01:10] <zig> what group does your /dev/mixer belong to then p_quarles ?
[01:10] <p_quarles> zig: same as what you listed: root:audio
[01:10] <zig> then, you can't use alsamixer for example
[01:10] <p_quarles> but I can and do
[01:11] <zig> then you belong to the audio group
[01:11] <p_quarles> again, my point is that someone who understands the specifcs of audio in 8.10 would probably be more qualified to help at this point
[01:11] <p_quarles> zig: no, I do not belong to that group; only pulse does
[01:13] <zig> hmmm, ah alsa uses /dev/snd in fact
[01:14] <zig> /dev/mixer must be oss
[01:14] <Jo-Luis> hola
[01:23] <Jo-Luis> hi
[01:25] <chris_> no dice guys.. i still have to unmute after each login
[01:25] <zig> chris_, you're under intrepid,, or hardy ?
[01:26] <p_quarles> chris_: maybe I misunderstood; sound works after you unmute?
[01:26] <chris_> zig: intrepid
[01:26] <chris_> p_quarles: yes just fine but i have to sudo alsamixer and unmute each time
[01:27] <p_quarles> chris_: sudo alsactl store has always worked for that issue in the past
[01:27] <p_quarles> try that
[01:27] <chris_> k
[01:27] <p_quarles> er, run that when you have the settings as you want thme
[01:28] <chris_> brb
[01:31] <mahasamoot> I just installed 8.10, and my interent doesn't work.  I've got a wired ethernet card, that gets DHCP'd from my DSL router.
[01:32] <mahasamoot> I can connect to my router's setup page, but can't ping anything
[01:32] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: "card" as in USB or PCMCIA? or is it an internal card?
[01:33] <mahasamoot> I tried commenting out the 'auto eth0' line in /etc/network/interfaces, but it didn't work
[01:34] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: you don't want to do that; what's the answer to my question?
[01:34] <mahasamoot> it's on my motherboard
[01:36] <mahasamoot> It's always worked in Linux before, but this was a fresh install
[01:36] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: make sure that line isn't commented out, first; then, boot up and run "ping -c 5 www.google.com"
[01:36] <p_quarles> I'm curious to know exactly what happens -- if it doesn't work, *how* does it not work?
[01:39] <legodude> what's the consensus for "best" open VM?
[01:40] <legodude> I'm looking for something easy to work with
[01:40] <legodude> performance/features secondary
[01:40] <legodude> not looking for any esoteric features, just basic snapshot support and good client OS support
[01:40] <p_quarles> legodude: not really on-topic in the Kubuntu support channel; try an off-topic/chitchat channel maybe?
[01:41] <chris_> p_quarles: settings stuck this time!! Thanks guys!
[01:41] <p_quarles> chris_: cool
[01:42] <mahasamoot> p_quarles: I already tried pinging google, and I think it was an unknown host... plus I tried pinging the ip of my dns, and noluck
[01:42] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: okay, what does ifconfig eth0 say?
[01:42] <legodude> sure thing p_quarles
[01:43] <Dragnslcr> mahasamoot- what IP address does the adapter have?
[01:44] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, I don't recall, I'll have to reboot and try a few things and write down the errors... anything else to try while I'm at it?
[01:44] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: sure, try sudo dhclient eth0 and see if that gets you a connection
[01:44] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: and write down any error output from that as well
[01:45]  * genii makes more coffee
[01:45] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, okay, thanks for the tips... I'll  be back in a awhile
[01:47]  * cuznt secretly introduces lsd into genii's coffee
[01:47] <cuznt>                                                         !
[01:47] <cuznt> oh wait
[01:49] <devilchaos> hi anyone awake?
[01:49] <genii> cuznt: Tsk tsk
[01:49] <genii> devilchaos: At least a few
[01:49] <devilchaos> lol
[01:49] <devilchaos> coolio
[01:49] <devilchaos> mind if i ask a few questions please?
[01:50] <genii> devilchaos: Ask away, etc
[01:50] <devilchaos> is kubuntu compatible with i686 ?
[01:50] <genii> Yes
[01:50] <p_quarles> devilchaos: there are very few operating systems at this point that are not
[01:51] <devilchaos> im having an i/o error with my install cd amd64 install on i686 amd athlon pc with 4gb ram
[01:51] <genii> devilchaos: The "i386" versions of operating systems also run on later procesors
[01:51] <devilchaos> so the i386 version installer should work?
[01:52] <p_quarles> the amd64 installer definitely *won't* work
[01:52] <devilchaos> oops sorry didnt read last linw before typing
[01:52] <genii> devilchaos: Yes. Likely your cpu is not actually a 64bit processor
[01:52] <devilchaos> why wouldnt it be it should be like ronseal does exactly what it says on the tin he he
[01:53] <p_quarles> i386 refers to an architecture present in virtually every modern machine -- amd64 is a very recent 64-bit architecture that older computers do not use
[01:53] <devilchaos> whats the command for info cpu
[01:53] <Dragnslcr> devilchaos- exactly what model processor is it?
[01:53] <devilchaos> amd64 athlon san deago chip
[01:54] <devilchaos> so whay do you think id get an i/o error from the disc then?
[01:55] <legodude> devilchaos: you are having cdrom install problems?
[01:55] <Dragnslcr> I/O error when dealing with a CD would probably be either the motherboard or CD drive
[01:55] <legodude> CDs are terrible, as are cdroms
[01:55] <legodude> can you try booting from flash drive?
[01:56] <genii> devilchaos: Different things are possible for that. Bad cd burn/iso download, physical cabling to the cd/failing drive, problemmatic controller driver which cd is attached to, etc
[01:56] <Dragnslcr> Not sure what kind of error you'd get if you tried running the x64 CD on an x86 machine
[01:56] <devilchaos> yeah well a did burn it on a crap disc memorex
[01:56] <genii> The single most suspect is bad cd burn/corrupted iso download
[01:56] <legodude> it should say that you have incorrect disc
[01:56] <legodude> if you try and use x64 in i386
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I'd check the md5sum of the disc image
[01:57] <devilchaos> well im downloading i386 just now
[01:57] <legodude> er, incorrect version
[01:57] <genii> Yup, it should just give you a mssage that it's incorrect version for your cpu
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> If the md5sum is correct, try burning another copy
[01:57] <devilchaos> i like kubuntu better than ubuntu its nicer
[01:57] <p_quarles> San Diego is an x86-64 chip, according to Wikipedia
[01:57] <legodude> or, trash your evil cdrom
[01:57] <devilchaos> and i like the icon better with the cogs
[01:57] <legodude> and do netboot or flash drive
[01:58] <devilchaos> net installer yeah?
[01:58] <genii> p_quarles: Looks like a suspect CD or so
[01:58] <devilchaos> coolio am a fan of those
[01:58] <devilchaos> give me url please ?
[01:58] <legodude> google pulls it up pretty quick
[01:58] <legodude> I've not done it, but it looks managable
[01:58] <devilchaos> whats it under kubuntu netinstall?
[01:59] <legodude> or ubuntu net installs
[02:01] <devilchaos> There is none.
[02:01] <devilchaos> is the quote on the forum
[02:01] <devilchaos> install of ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop
[02:01] <devilchaos> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <legodude> ?
[02:03] <devilchaos> this is the paragraph i get under kde4 in crappy gnome add/remove area
[02:03] <devilchaos> KDE4 cannot be installed on your computer type (i386). Either the application requires special hardware features or the vendor decided to not support your computer type.
[02:04] <devilchaos> anyway i386 installer should work ?
[02:05] <legodude> sure
[02:05] <legodude> or x64
[02:05] <legodude> don't you have 4gb ram?
[02:05] <devilchaos> yes
[02:05] <devilchaos> y?
[02:06] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, I think it's a problem with routing
[02:06] <legodude> won't be able to use all of it without 64bit
[02:07] <legodude> well, I am not entirely sure about that, best ask someone with deeper knowledge
[02:07] <devilchaos> ok np am going to download 64 again and burn both again
[02:07] <devilchaos> only then will i find out if i got a bum copy
[02:08] <devilchaos> thnks for the tips
[02:08] <devilchaos> why will it not use all the ram?
[02:08] <devilchaos> if its not 64bit?
[02:08] <legodude> 32bit can only address 4gb ram
[02:08] <legodude> without extra tricks
[02:08] <legodude> like PAE
[02:08] <legodude> 2^32 = 4gb
[02:08] <devilchaos> ah
[02:08] <legodude> but
[02:09] <legodude> there are address spaces issues
[02:09] <legodude> where you can see less
[02:09] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, dhclient seems to work fine, but I can't ping my dns servers, altho I can ping my isp's gateway
[02:09] <legodude> usually about 3gb, but there are tricks to get more
[02:10] <kyle_> hello
[02:10] <steven_> Hi kyle
[02:10] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: well, some servers are set to ignore pings, so that's not unusual; if you can connect beyond the gateway, you're good to go
[02:10] <Guest77293> a taingles
[02:10] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: that's why the real test is always to ping a high-availability public server like Google
[02:11] <legodude> devilchaos: looks like standard 32bit kernel will do 3.2gb, server will do 4gb+?
[02:11] <Guest77293> falou
[02:11] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, host unknown
[02:11] <devilchaos> worry bout that later i just want it installed i hate this pardon me for saying it but sh***y looking ubuntu off my pc and a nice kde compiz with wobble windows version and nice icon with the cogs and ill add bill gates can shuv his winblows up his bum!
[02:11] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: then I would say dhclient didn't work
[02:11] <mister-tea-lapto> !br
[02:11] <alexceteb> #ubuntu-br
[02:12] <kyle_> question, uh, the nvidia drivers I have... that come with Kubuntu dont work with my onboard video card. i can use the recommended ones 177, 173, and earlier.. but nothing works. i will install them, they will install, computer restarts, then my screen posts out of sync signal and, thats it...
[02:12] <kyle_> is there any fixes for the onboard 6100 video card
[02:12] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: what was the result of ifconfig eth0?
[02:12] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, it had messages about asking for and getting an IP, which was then bound, no errors
[02:12] <genii> devilchaos: Please try to keep the channel family-friendly :)
[02:12] <kyle_> and the nvidia drivers.
[02:12] <xtian> HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[02:12] <steven_> I have a question,I'm using Kubuntu Jaunty Jackalope Alpha 2.I've installed the latest updates.My kmenu is showing everything apart from the applications menu.Can anybody help me with this?
[02:12] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: sure, but what was the address it got?
[02:12] <devilchaos> sorry dude get a little carried away sometimes
[02:12] <genii> !es | xtian
[02:12] <xtian> hey
[02:12] <xtian> i need some help
[02:13] <xtian> i can speak english
[02:13] <legodude> ...
[02:13] <devilchaos> what is the kernel server type under?
[02:13] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, I forgot to run it... I'm sorry I should have written it down
[02:13] <xtian> i've just installed kubuntu 8.10
[02:13] <xtian> and i have no drivers
[02:13] <xtian> don't know where to find them
[02:13] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: did it start with 169 by any chance, if you remember?
[02:13] <xtian> and i don't know how to install them
[02:13] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, the address was my normal address, 192.168.1.33
[02:13] <xtian> i'm looking for some help on google but... i'm still lost
[02:13] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: then it's a problem with the router, really
[02:13] <legodude> xtian: drivers for....?
[02:14] <xtian> i have a compaq V3718la
[02:14] <kyle_> guess noone knows what i speaketh of.
[02:14] <devilchaos> sudo apt-get install hardware-drivers
[02:14] <xtian> with a nforce 630m chipset
[02:14] <xtian> and a 7150m VGA
[02:14] <p_quarles> !punctuation | xtian
[02:14] <xtian> i'm watching everything 800*600 right now
[02:14] <mahasamoot> p_quarles, why is the same router working now?
[02:14] <xtian> ah ok sorry
[02:15] <legodude> xtian: get the nvidia drivers
[02:15] <devilchaos> xtian- sudo apt-get install hardware-drivers
[02:15] <kyle_> question how do i force kubuntu to give me my 1280x1024 resolution instead of 800x600?
[02:15] <xtian> ok i downloaded some drivers from Nvidia website
[02:15] <devilchaos> ok legodude here goes prob back later thanks again
[02:15] <devilchaos> thanks to others too lol
[02:16] <xtian> this one... NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-173.14.12-pkg2.run how do i install them?
[02:16] <p_quarles> mahasamoot: I don't really know, but it seems to be giving you an IP address correctly, just not letting the traffic through when the machine is in Linux; since Linux is working as expected, the next place to look is the router configuration page
[02:16] <legodude> xtian: my advice is to use the supplied kubuntu package
[02:17] <xtian> what do you mean, the installing CD? or is in kubuntu page
[02:17] <kyle_> go to hardware drivers..
[02:17] <legodude> yeah
[02:18] <kyle_> install the latest version for what it reccomends.
[02:18] <legodude> hardware drivers, as devilchaos suggested or from k>system>hardware drivers
[02:18] <kyle_> and hopefully they work... unlike mine :/
[02:18] <genii> xtian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia     has a howto
[02:19] <xtian> thanx
[02:21] <xtian> ok... i found the driver but when i click to entitle nothing happens
[02:22] <legodude> xtian: are you following what genii is suggesting?
[02:22] <xtian> yes
[02:22] <legodude> and which step gives you trouble?
[02:23] <xtian> when i select the newest driver... and select to entitle...  nothing happens
[02:23] <xtian> still says that the driver is nos available
[02:24] <kyle_> hit activate....
[02:24] <xtian> i already did it
[02:24] <legodude> how do I change the default URL handler for konversation? somehow it is using quanta
[02:24] <xtian> nothing is happening
[02:24] <kyle_> well im playing with my drivers too, and it should do something...
[02:24] <genii> xtian: Is your card in this list?  http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/README/appendix-a.html
[02:25] <kyle_> i shall return, i have major video card driver issues...
[02:25] <kyle_> cant get above 800x600 res... :/
[02:25] <vonkleist> legodude, Settings, Configure Konversation, Behavior, General, Use custom web browser
[02:25] <legodude> kyle_: when you get back, I can try and help
[02:25] <kyle_> k
[02:25] <kyle_> well ive been googling it
[02:26] <kyle_> and its a compaq with a onboard 6100 video card.
[02:26] <legodude> totally missed that, thakns vonkleist
[02:26] <xtian> yes
[02:26] <xtian> it's there
[02:26] <xtian> 7150m(nforce 630m
[02:26] <kyle_> and it seems the issue is bad
[02:26] <kyle_> brb
[02:26] <vonkleist> legodude, you're welcome
[02:26] <legodude> xtian: oooh I had trouble with my 7150
[02:26] <xtian> too much trouble? :S
[02:27] <legodude> I believe I had to use the proposed package space to get it to work?
[02:28] <legodude> I don't know if it is related to your trouble at all, but I could not get my 7150 to detect displays until I updated lots of packages
[02:28] <legodude> the driver should install without problem though
[02:29] <xtian> ok, that's bad... because it's my first time with linux
[02:30] <legodude> not necessarily bad
[02:30] <legodude> part of learning linux is learning how to ask the right kind of questions
[02:30] <xtian> i don't even know where "system" is ¬¬
[02:32] <legodude> k menu
[02:32] <legodude> applications>system
[02:32] <xtian> jeje, thank you
[02:34] <kyle_> ok
[02:34] <kyle_> i return
[02:35] <xtian> jaja
[02:35] <xtian> were you lucky?
[02:37] <xtian> legodude: what kind of packages do i have to install
[02:37] <kyle_> Using a Emachines Computer, with onboard 6100 nvidia video card, when I install the recommended drivers from the hardware drivers menu, after I restart, the screen refuses to display out of area its I assume displaying too high of a resolution. So i have to restart again and hit ESC , and hit fix xserver, this fixes the issue, but when I get into the desktop environment I cant change my display resolution above 800x600.
[02:40] <kyle_> whenever someone can throw me some help on the issue ill be back and forth to this computer.
[02:40] <xtian> ok... i was abvle to install the wireless driver
[02:40] <xtian> and the VGA driver :O
[02:40] <genii> kyle_: Sounds like it can't figure out your monitor's resolution can go over 800x600. What kind of monitor is it?
[02:45] <legodude> kyle_: you are trying to use the nvidia applet to change screen res?
[02:45] <juanantonio> Hello. I got a little question. I had Kubuntu 8.04, but nowadays I keep on proving and installed LXDE desktop and Xubuntu desktop from Ubuntu repos, what Xubuntu I have in this moment?
[02:45] <szrhawaii> is there a program i can download for kubuntu that rips files into a iso file
[02:47] <xtian> legodude: are you still there?
[02:47] <legodude> sure
[02:47] <legodude> szrhawaii: 'dd'
[02:47] <xtian> i was able to install the VGA driver :)
[02:47] <legodude> okay
[02:47] <legodude> congrats
[02:47] <szrhawaii> what is dd
[02:48] <legodude> !dd
[02:48] <xtian> thanx a lot... but you know, the task bar it's just in half of the windows...
[02:48] <szrhawaii> is that a program
[02:48] <legodude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix)
[02:48] <legodude> yup
[02:48] <legodude> xtian: ?
[02:48] <szrhawaii> ok gonna check it out
[02:48] <legodude> just in half of the windows?
[02:48] <legodude> szrhawaii: google for dd iso
[02:48] <xtian> ok, i'll check that
[02:49] <legodude> xtian: check what?
[02:49] <snaf> On my taskbar, a few icons (klipper, the sound icon, battery, and updates) all have black behind them, and looks pretty bad, is there any way to get rid of this?
[02:49] <legodude> snaf: I couldn't fix that until I upgraded to kde 4.2
[02:49] <Arv3n> legodude, speaking of which.. kde 4.2 kicks so much ass. (H)
[02:49] <legodude> yes
[02:50] <legodude> it is fantastic
[02:50] <Arv3n> agreed.
[02:50] <snaf> So 4.2 is usable as of now? ie. I should update?
[02:50] <Arv3n> it works fine here.
[02:50] <Arv3n> o_O
[02:51] <xtian> ok i'm lost
[02:51] <legodude> works extremely well for me
[02:51] <Arv3n> legodude, same here.
[02:51] <legodude> xtian: I'm confused as to what exactly you are having trouble with
[02:51] <pkodon> KDE4 looks cool, what do I miss if I use it, though?
[02:51] <Arv3n> pkodon, wut u mean?
[02:51] <xtian> ok, the taskbar is really tiny
[02:51] <legodude> pkodon: miss vs kde3?
[02:51] <pkodon> legodude: Yeah.
[02:51] <Arv3n> i dunno.
[02:51] <legodude> xtian: in width, or overall dimensions?
[02:52] <Arv3n> id think if they havent put it in kde 4.2 yet, i dont think it'll get put in any time soon.
[02:52] <legodude> pkodon: it's been a while since I have used kde3 so I can't really answer that
[02:52] <xtian> width
[02:52] <xtian> it just the half of the window
[02:52] <legodude> xtian: hit the peanut on the right hand side then you can expand it
[02:52] <legodude> cashew?
[02:53] <pkodon> I think I originally picked kde3 because I read somewhere that there was still some kde3 stuff it didn't include/support.
[02:53] <xtian> thanx... i was able to do it
[02:53] <Arv3n> i dunno.
[02:53] <Arv3n> kde 3.5 is old as crap.
[02:53] <legodude> pkodon: nothing has been apparent to me as missing
[02:53] <Arv3n> id just switch to kde 4 already, its the future anyway.
[02:53] <pkodon> legodude: Okay, that's encouraging. Does it need more computer power than kde3?
[02:53] <legodude> there may be missing features, but nothing obvious
[02:54] <legodude> pkodon: again, don't know
[02:54] <Arv3n> pkodon, technically, no.
[02:54] <legodude> I'm running it on a beefy machine
[02:54] <Arv3n> pkodon, since it uses qt4 which is faster than qt3 it _SHOULD_ be faster and use less memory.
[02:54] <Arv3n> i saw some person running kde 4 + desktop effects on an eeepc. so i guess that should say something.
[02:54] <legodude> I would skip 4.1 though
[02:54] <legodude> 4.2 is such and improvement
[02:55] <legodude> an
[02:55] <Arv3n> i didnt like 4.1 much. =/
[02:55] <Arv3n> ive heard kde 4.2 was faster.
[02:55] <pkodon> I have an older Compaq, I think it's got a 700MHz AMD in it, and an older nVidia graphics card.
[02:55] <Arv3n> dont do it.
[02:55] <Arv3n> nvidia has problems atm with kde 4
[02:55] <legodude> howso?
[02:55] <Arv3n> its a nvidia problem, i think nvidia fixed a push with the latest beta drivers.
[02:55] <legodude> I've not really seen any problems with kde on my nvidia
[02:56] <Arv3n> well, with desktop effects.
[02:56] <legodude> ahhh
[02:56] <Arv3n> turn on desktop effects adn tell me how fast it is.
[02:56] <Arv3n> with a 6150 and 6600 gt it runs horrible on both.
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> No major problems here
[02:56] <legodude> I think I had them on? with a 7200gs
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> I have a 7900, I think
[02:57] <genii> My 8800 works great
[02:57] <Arv3n> its a major complaint with kde 4.
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> Sad that I can't even remember anymore
[02:57] <Arv3n> anywho.
[02:57] <pkodon> It's an old Riva TNT2, so there's lots that's not supported by my video card.
[02:57] <Arv3n> i just reinstalled.
[02:57] <snaf> lol tnt2 i have one of those
[02:57] <snaf> machine is from like 1999
[02:57] <Arv3n> i love my new internet connection, its got 18 minutes to download 400mb. (H)
[02:58] <Arv3n> kde 4.2 + amarok 2 + all intrepid updates in backports and everything. shweet.
[02:58] <pkodon> When using donated equipment, though, you don't much care as long as it works.
[02:58] <legodude> amarok 2... meh
[02:58] <pkodon> I'm into retro-gaming anyway.
[02:58] <Arv3n> whats retro gaming?
[02:58] <Arv3n> i like team fortress 2.
[02:58] <Arv3n> too bad its like a 7 gb download. =/
[02:59]  * pkodon looks over at his Win98SE machine, and wishes he still had his Amiga.
[02:59] <Arv3n> oh, man.
[02:59] <Arv3n> i forgot to enable the openoffice 3 repos. lol
[02:59] <pkodon> Arv3n: Retro gaming is playing that stuff from 20 years ago.
[02:59] <legodude> dosbox ftw
[02:59] <Arv3n> the only thing i like is super mario. but that was when i was 7. o.o
[03:00] <Arv3n> im more into "current" games.
[03:00] <pkodon> legodude: Yeah, and snes9x, Amiga Forever, etc.
[03:01] <legodude> bleh, amiga and myself do not get along
[03:01] <pkodon> legodude: Ever have one?
[03:01] <legodude> yup
[03:01] <legodude> a500
[03:01]  * dr_willis has Several Amigas :) and the Amiga Emulators out there are pretty good.
[03:01] <xtian> hey... how do i install programs like firefox or msn?
[03:01]  * pkodon had 2 A2000, an A500, A1200 and a CDTV.
[03:01] <legodude> it just clashed with me, along with next
[03:01] <legodude> xtian: adept
[03:01] <Arv3n> xtian, kubuntu?
[03:02] <Arv3n> wut he said. ^
[03:02] <legodude> k>applications>"install software"
[03:02] <genii> xtian: From Add/Remove Programs  (Adept)
[03:02] <xtian> ok
[03:02] <xtian> thanx again
[03:02] <dr_willis> !apt-get
[03:02] <Arv3n> firefox has a lot of weird, weird dependencies i must say though.
[03:02] <genii> !helpersnack | dr_willis
[03:02] <legodude> haha
[03:03] <dr_willis> !helpersnack | ubottu
[03:03] <dr_willis> L)
[03:03] <b0nn> what init level do I change to to only have a commandline?
[03:03] <legodude> 3
[03:03] <b0nn> ta
[03:03] <Arv3n> why dont you just kill kdm.
[03:03] <legodude> or that
[03:04] <Arv3n> i dont think init 3 works on ubuntu, does it?
[03:04] <pkodon> Speaking of retro-gaming, can anyone tell me why games such as Vega Strike and Freedroid RPG might quit without ever opening a window? Too little memory? Too old of a graphics card?
[03:04] <Arv3n> no, i dont think it does.
[03:04] <dr_willis> I dont think it works that way on ubuntu
[03:04] <genii> b0nn: telinit 1           goes to single user. telinit 2   goes back to multi user level
[03:04] <dr_willis> best to stop the kdm service
[03:04] <legodude> seriously?
[03:04] <b0nn> hmm 3 doesnt work
[03:04] <genii> Arv3n: telinit.  2,3,4 and 5 are identical
[03:04] <b0nn> I'll try and killkdm
[03:04] <Arv3n> b0nn, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:05] <legodude> why was that done?
[03:05] <Arv3n> legodude, he wanted to kill kdm.
[03:05] <dr_willis> !Upstart
[03:05] <legodude> ahhh
[03:05] <legodude> init levels never made much sense to me either
[03:05] <legodude> er, anyways
[03:05] <b0nn> perfect
[03:05] <Arv3n> np buddy ole pal.
[03:06] <xtian> amsn is the best?
[03:06] <pkodon> Hmm, perhaps I should ask the question on some blog somewhere.
[03:07] <dr_willis> pkodon,  run an app from a terminal, look for error messages
[03:07] <dr_willis> thats a way to get a clue as to why they are not running right
[03:07] <pkodon> dr_willis: Can any app, even ones that use KDE, be run from a terminal?
[03:07] <legodude> yes
[03:07] <dr_willis> pkodon,  try it and see.. I cant think of ANY app that cant be ran that wy
[03:08] <dr_willis> except perhaps for some kde applets-things that are always launched by other kde-programs
[03:08] <pkodon> And, I don't need to know the exact path to the app? I'm still not used to where stuff gets installed.
[03:08] <dr_willis> You dont need icons/menus to run X apps..
[03:08] <dr_willis> echo $PATH
[03:08] <legodude> usually you can just type the name of the app
[03:08] <dr_willis> if its in the PATH - its all good.
[03:09] <xtian> hey have a question, for example, i downloaded firefox from the mozilla page... am i able to install it from the zip file? or i have to use adept
[03:09] <legodude> "which appname" tells you where it lives
[03:09] <legodude> xtian: I would suggest installing via adept
[03:09] <legodude> but you can certainly use it from a zip
[03:09] <xtian> ok
[03:09] <dr_willis> if somthing is in the packages - USE the packaged one - if you can. :)
[03:10] <xtian> but using adept... it starts installing a lot of other stuff
[03:10] <legodude> there are some kubuntu-specific firefox extensions
[03:10] <xtian> Gnome stuff... is that normal?
[03:10] <legodude> yes
[03:10] <xtian> ok
[03:10] <legodude> many apps need gnome libraries
[03:11] <pkodon> Now there's something I am still not able to do: take a .tar.gz and install it, especially when the program needs to be compiled.
[03:11] <dr_willis> This is when you experiment, and learn, and   grow as a linux user. :)
[03:12] <xtian> i understand, thankyou... i have another problem with the taskbar, the icons are not being show, it just appears a blue square
[03:12] <pkodon> dr_willis: Well, I was adventuresome enough to install Free Pascal (I've wanted to learn Pascal anyway).
[03:12] <dr_willis> Install the compiler, Installed needed -dev packages. get source , ./configure, make,  (and look for any errors, if any go back to install needed -dev stuff)
[03:12] <dr_willis> then make install. :)
[03:12] <pkodon> Okay, off to do some experimenting ...
[03:13] <legodude> compiling from source is really cool
[03:13] <legodude> the first 500 or so times
[03:13] <Arv3n> gentoo.
[03:13] <Arv3n> yeah, i had to say it. :<
[03:13] <pkodon> dr_willis: "make install" is the command line?
[03:14]  * pkodon never used make, though he's used compilers.
[03:14] <pkodon> I've looked at some make files and it all looks confusing.
[03:14] <legodude> pkodon: ./configure; make; make install
[03:14] <legodude> ha, look at ant files for java
[03:15] <pkodon> Okay, I take it the semicolons allow you to put several commands on one command line?
[03:15] <Dragnslcr> Or don't, if you value your sanity
[03:15] <pkodon> Dragnslcr: Hmm, can't be any worse than a book I got from the library on APL.
[03:16] <dr_willis> pkodon,  of course.. if you want to learn to compile.. first learn the command line
[03:16] <dr_willis> Bash Basics - place to start
[03:16] <mister-tea-lapto> ubuntu has some nice tutorials
[03:16] <gautam> can any body pls tell me why i have problem loading www.ibibo.com using firefox in kubuntu 8.10. I dont have problem with othe site though
[03:17] <xtian> HEY... Noob question, do i need an antivirus?
[03:17] <mister-tea-lapto> on the start page of konqueror there are some links that link to other links about the basics
[03:18] <dr_willis> f'p
[03:18] <pkodon> dr_willis: ::nods:: I'm an old MS-DOS,AmigaDOS,CP/M,(whatever DOSes we had on the TRS80 Model I) user, I guess if I can find the docs, I can learn Bash/Csh/Sh/whatever.
[03:18] <dr_willis> silly grandsone is going around my pc room banging on keyboards.. argh!
[03:19] <mister-tea-lapto> xtian: no not in my opinion
[03:19] <pkodon> Okay, well, off to play with command lines et-al.
[03:19] <pkodon> Bye.
[03:23] <xtian> hello?
[03:24] <mister-tea-lapto> hi
[03:24] <Dragnslcr> xtian- depends on if you're in the habit of downloading stuff from strange places
[03:24] <xtian> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... ok
[03:25] <xtian> so exist virus for linux
[03:25] <xtian> several times appears a windows that says something -kate... what's thaT?
[03:25] <mister-tea-lapto> its an editor
[03:25] <Dragnslcr> !kate
[03:26] <Dragnslcr> Eh, not as informative as I was hoping for
[03:26] <xtian> is it alright if i close it?
[03:26] <Dragnslcr> !info kate
[03:26] <Dragnslcr> Bit more useful
[03:26]  * mister-tea-lapto loves kate
[03:27] <xtian> haha thank you
[03:28] <xtian> another question... in the taskbar appears some softwate upgrades... do you recomend to install them all?
[03:29] <mister-tea-lapto> is space an issue?
[03:31] <xtian> space an issue? what do you mean
[03:31] <mister-tea-lapto> xtian: disk space I mean
[03:31] <xtian> ah ok... it's not a problem...
[03:31] <xtian> sorry i'm from Chile... my native language is spanish
[03:32] <mister-tea-lapto> then as a new user my answer would be yes... I;ve had very good luck with them
[03:32] <mister-tea-lapto> hablo espanol un poco
[03:33] <mister-tea-lapto> ja ja
[03:33] <xtian> jaja gracias entonces
[03:34] <mister-tea-lapto> I can read and understand pretty well but as for writing it ...not so good
[03:36] <kyle_> [20:45] <legodude> kyle_: you are trying to use the nvidia applet to change screen res?
[03:37] <kyle_> i believe I am lego dude
[03:37] <kyle_> My monitor is some chinese no name lcd..
[03:38] <legodude> check your Xorg log file?
[03:38] <kyle_> The monitor is a Kogi...
[03:38] <legodude> should print out a list of modelines
[03:38] <kyle_> how would i go about that?
[03:38] <legodude> look in /var/log
[03:38] <legodude> Xorg.0.log I think
[03:39] <kyle_> ok im in it
[03:40] <legodude> looks for lines like (II) intel(0): Modeline "1280x800"x0.0   68.94  1280 1296 1344 1408  800 801 804 816 -hsync -vsync (49.0
[03:40] <kyle_> --) NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 6100 at 00@00:05:0
[03:41] <legodude> nah
[03:41] <legodude> tells you driver is working
[03:41] <kyle_> will this be at the top of xorg file middle or end? any idea?
[03:41] <legodude> endish
[03:42] <legodude> er
[03:42] <legodude> middle?
[03:42] <legodude> you can grep it nicely
[03:42] <kyle_> ok
[03:42] <kyle_> i think i found it
[03:42] <kyle_> but there a bunch of
[03:42] <kyle_> this stuff one sec
[03:43] <kyle_> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[03:43] <kyle_> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "640x512" (hsync out of range)
[03:43] <kyle_> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range)
[03:43] <kyle_> theres lines upon lines of that
[03:43] <legodude> ah
[03:43] <legodude> something like grep -i -C 4 modeline Xorg.0.log >> modelines
[03:43] <kyle_> my monitor is made for 1280x1024
[03:43] <legodude> then pastebin
[03:43] <legodude> !pastebin
[03:44] <legodude> or just pastepin the whole logfile
[03:44] <legodude> bin
[03:44] <kyle_> yea one sec.
[03:44] <kyle_> hmm
[03:45] <chris4585> would it be worth running kubuntu 8.10 on a fast computer with a old video card?
[03:45] <kyle_> you want me to pastebin the whole xorg file?
[03:45] <chris4585> the video card is splotchy while scrolling, but I guess thats just the drivers
[03:46] <kyle_> I posted it
[03:46] <legodude> kyle_: sure
[03:46] <kyle_> on pastebin
[03:46] <kyle_> uh
[03:46] <legodude> okay
[03:46] <legodude> link?
[03:46] <kyle_> its under Journier21
[03:47] <kyle_> http://pastebin.com/m1216bb24
[03:47] <legodude> looks like it is not properly detecting your monitor
[03:47] <kyle_> ok
[03:47] <kyle_> uh...
[03:48] <kyle_> the monitor is a cheap thing i got in 2002 , no name brand etc. how would i change my .xorg file to force it to recognize 1280x1024?
[03:49] <legodude> you can look at the file generated by the nvidia utility
[03:49] <legodude> and try and modify it from there
[03:49] <kyle_> ummm
[03:49]  * kyle_ is new, how would i go about this
[03:49] <legodude> but I'm no expert on modlines, I really hate them
[03:49] <legodude> well
[03:50] <pjammer> is there still an xorg.conf file?
[03:50] <legodude> in the nvidia config utility, there is somewhere a button to save config, and from that you can view the config it generates
[03:50] <kyle_> what exactly is the nvidia config utility called?
[03:50] <kyle_> theres something called screen resize
[03:50] <legodude> "nvidia utility"?
[03:50] <kyle_>  and rotate
[03:50] <legodude> that's not it
[03:51] <kyle_> ok... lol i cant find the nvidia utility in the k menu
[03:51] <kyle_> nvidia x server settings?
[03:52] <legodude> kyle_: read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:52] <legodude> it has a whole section on your problenm
[03:52] <kyle_> k
[03:52] <legodude> when in doubt, read the manuals...
[03:53] <kyle_> dont know how i ever survived with 800x600 monitors early on
[03:53] <kyle_> everything so gigantic .
[03:57] <kyle_> hmmm the nvidia x server wont create a config file...
[03:58] <[Relic]> Anyone get adobe air for 64bit working on 8.04?  The instructions didn't seem to work properly
[03:58] <legodude> adobe air?
[03:59] <legodude> kyle_: howso?
[03:59] <kyle_> it wont write the . config file to where im telling it?
[04:00] <legodude> the nvidia applet?
[04:00] <kyle_> yes
[04:00] <[Relic]> legodude, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=941093
[04:00] <kyle_> xserver
[04:00] <legodude> do a select all, copy, and then paste into file
[04:01] <kyle_> i cant even get into the file since it says it doesnt exist and i need to create one...
[04:01] <kyle_> i have it create one  by saving to... desktop
[04:01] <kyle_> and nothing is appearing.
[04:01] <legodude> read what I wrote
[04:01] <kyle_> select all copy and then paste into file?
[04:01] <kyle_> what am I select alling?
[04:01] <legodude> [Relic]: I can't even parse the adobe air website
[04:02] <legodude> kyle_: you can preview the file
[04:02] <kyle_> lol xserver just froze up...
[04:02] <kyle_> how would i go about ending a frozen program in Kubuntu good sir?
[04:03] <legodude> killall
[04:04] <legodude> or ctrl + esc
[04:04] <kyle_> ok
[04:05] <kyle_> it says you do not appear to be using the nvidia x driver, Please edit your x configuration file , just and restart the x server
[04:05] <kyle_> so then i save current configuration...
[04:05] <[Relic]> deal with this tomorrow then
[04:06] <legodude> kyle_: ?
[04:06] <kyle_> thats the warning when i open xserver.
[04:06] <legodude> ?
[04:06] <legodude> I think you are using terminology incorrectly
[04:06] <kyle_> i may not be.
[04:06] <kyle_> what am I saying wrong?
[04:06] <legodude> what exactly do you mean by "xserver:
[04:07] <kyle_> nvidia x server settings?
[04:07] <kyle_> thats the program name
[04:07] <legodude> yeah, xserver is not the same thing as that
[04:07] <kyle_> umm ok
[04:07] <kyle_> well i didnt know there is different x servers.
[04:08] <legodude> well, the xserver can be thought of as the display manager
[04:08] <legodude> which programs (x clients) connect to when they want to display graphics
[04:08] <legodude> and the xserver interacts with various drivers, including the nvidia drivers
[04:08] <legodude> hence you are using the nvidia xserver driver config program
[04:08] <kyle_> well my issue still stands though :/ it wont copy the .config over to wherever i tell it to, be it the desktop or in documents..
[04:09] <legodude> did you copy the preview of the file?
[04:09] <legodude> then paste it into kate?
[04:09] <kyle_> there isnt a preview of the file for all i know from within the nvidia xserver...
[04:09] <kyle_> program
[04:09] <legodude> there is
[04:09] <kyle_> ok
[04:09] <legodude> when you go to save
[04:09] <legodude> you can hit preview
[04:10] <kyle_> jesus locked up again
[04:10] <kyle_> im in the save configuration file screen
[04:11] <kyle_> and i dont see a preview button.
[04:12] <legodude> I'm not on a nvidia machine right now
[04:13] <kyle_> well i assume it would be a nice big button saying preview.
[04:13] <kyle_> it isnt there... hmmm the config file should be where the nvidia xserver is.
[04:13] <legodude> there is
[04:13] <kyle_> so maybe ill find it...
[04:15] <kyle_> bah
[04:15] <kyle_> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[04:15] <kyle_>                   Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver
[04:15] <kyle_>                   line.
[04:15] <kyle_> sh: pkg-config: not found
[04:15] <kyle_> ERROR: Unable to write to directory '/etc/X11'.
[04:24] <werdnum> Anybody know how I can change my keyboard layout? I seem to have some strange layout where typing 'a gives á, '<space> gives ', and '' gives ´, with similar behaviour for ".
[04:34] <SJr|Nbook> werdum is that in console, or in X
[04:34] <SJr|Nbook> If it's in X, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"<
[04:34] <SJr|Nbook> If it's in X, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:35] <legodude> he's dead, SJr|Nbook
[04:35] <SJr|Nbook> lame
[04:37] <xtian> hi
[04:37] <xtian> does someone know how to use Wine properly?
[04:38] <legodude> uh?
[04:38] <xtian> haha
[04:38] <xtian> i'm trying to install windows live messenger
[04:38] <dr_willis> wine whtever.exe
[04:39] <xtian> yeah i know
[04:39] <xtian> i already installed it
[04:39] <legodude> or just click on the program
[04:39] <legodude> or just run it
[04:39] <xtian> but when i click the exe of messenger... wine opens and close inmediately
[04:39] <legodude> command line
[04:39] <dr_willis> try it from the command line.. get away from this clicking-fettish. :)
[04:40] <xtian> haha... but i don't know any commands
[04:40] <dr_willis> wine whtever.exe
[04:41] <dr_willis> You just learned that one
[04:41] <dr_willis> I woudl REALLY be spurised if window live messenger - worked in wine
[04:41] <legodude> yeah
[04:41] <legodude> ms programs
[04:41] <dr_willis> and i mean really really really suprised
[04:42] <xtian> it's not supposed to work on wine? :S
[04:42] <dr_willis> it proberly uses 20 variantions of .net and 10 specilized MS only knows features of IE
[04:42] <xtian> i thought wine it was good running MS programs
[04:42] <legodude> it is made by MS
[04:42] <dr_willis> xtian,  some do some dont.
[04:42] <legodude> not so much MS exactly
[04:42] <legodude> windows programs
[04:42] <legodude> but MS crown windows jewels not so much
[04:42] <dr_willis> wine notepad.exe   works fine. :)
[04:42] <dr_willis> wine sol.exe also works
[04:42] <legodude> yup
[04:43] <legodude> but messenger, media player not so much
[04:43] <dr_willis> once you start tossing in .net stuff. and other  layers  upon layers of MS embeded stuff...
[04:43] <legodude> ie
[04:44] <xtian> ok i understand
[04:44]  * dr_willis has a hard time runnign actually windows apps under windows.. if they need .net stuff.. some times..
[04:49] <xtian> mmm
[04:49] <xtian> what should i do now? i mean... i have drivers and some programs... do you have some adviceS?
[04:50] <mister-tea-lapto> what are you trying to do
[04:51] <xtian> customize my desk? something like that
[04:51] <dr_willis> thats a bit vague.. and sounds somewhat unrelated to your earlier statments...
[04:53] <xtian> hahaha... i know...
[04:54] <studio_> olá gentem
[04:54] <studio_> algum brasileiro ? ou brasileira ?
[04:55] <mister-tea-lapto> !br
[05:05] <VictorDeKoLa> olá algum brasileiro aqui ?
[05:06] <genii> !br
[05:07] <snaf> Hey, how do you go about updating KDE to the new beta?
[05:08] <snaf> Oh, I'm dumb
[05:08] <snaf> Forget it, topic has the info :P
[05:11] <Adola> How do I make a .tar.gz?
[05:14] <genii> Adola: tar -czf tarname.tar.gz   file1-to-tar-up file2-to-tar-up etc
[05:14] <Adola> o.O
[05:14] <Adola> genii: Please help me thorugh this:P
[05:15] <Adola> If I wanted to turn a folder into a .tar.gz.
[05:15] <Adola> The file is called
[05:15] <Adola> Folder'
[05:15] <Adola> TESTBuildRevision1Linux
[05:16] <genii> Adola: Where is the folder? On your desktop?
[05:16] <Adola> in home.
[05:17] <genii> Adola: In /home/yourusername               ?
[05:18] <Adola> Yessir
[05:20] <White_Pelican> I still need help with frostwire. It still complains about my version of java. I'm on hardy heron. this worked before I reinstalled my system
[05:20] <genii> Adola: Then in konsole:     cd ~ ; tar -czvf somename.tar.gz ./Folder
[05:22] <Adola> Ahh, tahnk you very much :P
[05:30] <White_Pelican> can I get some help?
[05:31] <dr_willis> install the actual sun java  perhaps?
[05:31] <dr_willis> I normally install  kubuntu-restricted-extras and it grabs the sun java and other parts
[05:32] <White_Pelican> I have problems with java 6 in certain web sites I use every day
[05:32] <White_Pelican> so i'm hesitant to use it
[05:32] <White_Pelican> the jave I am using is the sun version, not blackdown
[05:33] <White_Pelican> java*
[05:33] <dr_willis> double check with java --version or was it java -version
[05:33] <White_Pelican> I already did
[05:33] <White_Pelican> it's the sun version
[05:33] <White_Pelican> 1.5
[05:33] <dr_willis> so you are using the older java then?
[05:34] <White_Pelican> if you consider 1.5 to be the "older" java then yes I am
[05:36] <krishna> hi, i am a newbie, and have some queries.. is this where I am allowed to ask?
[05:37] <dthacker> krishna: yes
[05:38] <krishna> dthacker, I am thinking of using a desktop sharing server to be able to connect with my box using a laptop (laptop is xp, uses vncviewer 4.2.29
[05:38] <krishna> what is the server I should be using on the kubuntu box?
[05:39] <dthacker> krishna: tightvnc, perhaps?
[05:39] <krishna> i tried vnc4server through adept, I am not able to find it after installation.. I am using 8.10, and update as indicated.
[05:40] <dthacker> no experience in this matter
[05:42] <krishna> helloo
[05:44] <snarkster> good evening, when will 4.2 be released?
[05:48] <zagaroth> can anyone help me setup dual monitors, i have been having some problems with it
[05:51] <White_Pelican> dr_willis, as I predicted, java 6 does not work with the web sites I use
[05:51] <White_Pelican> and it still didn't help froostwire anyway
[05:52] <White_Pelican> frostwire*
[05:53] <dr_willis> cant say taht ive ever had a issue with java 6 on any site.. or with frostwire either...
[05:53] <dr_willis> so this may be a sign of a deeper issue.
[05:53] <dr_willis> krishna,  it has no icon.. its a command line tool to start the server
[05:54] <dr_willis> krishna,  and you will want to edit  the users .vnc/xstartup after running vnc4server the first time and setting up a password.
[05:56] <krishna> where will I find the vnc4server executible?
[05:56] <White_Pelican> dr_willis, this is not the first time I've seen this happen, go to pogo.com and try pogo bowl. I believe you needto sign up, but you don't have to join
[05:57] <dr_willis> krishna,  you type 'vnc4server' at the command line
[05:57] <dr_willis> krishna,  not every app has an icon :)
[05:58] <krishna> got it. it created the .vnc/xstartup on its own.
[05:58] <dr_willis> Yes it did.. and it most likely made a WRONG one. :)
[05:58] <krishna> thanks dr_willis!
[05:58] <krishna> ??
[05:58] <dr_willis>  its proberly trying to run twm. which is NOT what you want
[05:58] <dr_willis> when vnc4server starts up it runs the desktop/commands that are in xstartup
[05:59] <dr_willis> it does NOT start your default desktop. it does not start kdm or any other login manager
[05:59] <krishna> how do i mend it?
[05:59] <dr_willis> now taht you ahve a xstartup made, and setup a vnc server password.. Kill the vncserver with  'vnc4server -kill :1' then EDIT the file to make it run what you want
[06:00] <dr_willis> actually it may be vnc4server --kill :1
[06:00] <dr_willis> if you are not carefull you will spawn more then 1 vnc4server.
[06:00] <krishna> the xstartup says uncomment the two lines for normal desktop...
[06:00] <snaf> Hey. I think I may have messed up my PC. Does anyone know what the latest linux kernel version that is used with kubuntu 8.10?
[06:00] <dr_willis> You read comments.. :) good... :)
[06:01] <krishna> one is for unsetting session manager and other is for exec'ing xinitrc
[06:01] <dr_willis> I normally set up my vnc to run 'jwm' as a window manager.. I find the full kde or gnome desktops to make it too sluggish
[06:01] <dr_willis> at one time vnc4servers default startup ran 'twm' which is not even isntalled by default.. so you would get a blank desktop
[06:02] <krishna> I just want the complete interface on the desktop to be available in the vnc window.. how do i get that?
[06:02] <dr_willis> which complete interface?
[06:02] <dr_willis> Thers several to choose from. :)
[06:03] <krishna> I want to look into vnc window and find it the same as my box monitor..
[06:03] <dr_willis> You mean to say you want it to runt he SAME desktop as your default login desktop?
[06:03] <krishna> yes
[06:03] <dr_willis> I thought you said the comments mentioned that..  'the session manager' one...
[06:04] <dr_willis> if you want it to run kde,  I think the proper command is 'startkde'   if you want to make it always run kde.
[06:04] <krishna> yes... so uncommenting those two lines will get me my desktop on the box available through vnc viewer elsewhere...
[06:05] <dr_willis> Perhaps.. I  never make it do that.
[06:05] <dr_willis> Ive learned over the years to explicatly tell it what one. :)
[06:05] <dr_willis> note that vnc4server will NOT be shareing the 'same' desktop as you are seeing when you login directly .. It will ahve its own instance of the desktop running 'hidden'
[06:05] <krishna> yeah... i will have to put in those before i figure out I gues.. :-)
[06:06] <krishna> why can;t I share the same desktop like I do on windows?
[06:06] <dr_willis> because you are using the wrong vncserver to do it that way
[06:06] <dr_willis> vnc is More flexiable then you realize from using it under windows
[06:07] <dr_willis> gnome has its own built in vncserver that works the windows way..  i think kde does also.
[06:07] <dr_willis>  i find that makes them even more sluggish.  i hate to think how slow kde4 will be over vnc that way
[06:08] <krishna> which means I am already in trouble...
[06:08] <dr_willis> No idea.. Im just answeringt the  questions you are asking.. :)
[06:08] <dr_willis> VNC is a very flexible tool with lots of variants and specilized versions..
[06:09] <krishna> of course... i get it now, lemme try and come back with answers / more questions... thx dr_willis for all the explanation!
[06:10] <White_Pelican> dr_willis, I figure out the problem
[06:10] <dr_willis> White_Pelican,  Oh?
[06:10] <White_Pelican> frostwire couldn't figure out where it's jar files were, so I installed into a folder in my home, then I cd into that folder and run frostwire from there
[06:11] <krishna> hey dr_willis, I found that the last line of the xstartup says twm &...
[06:11] <dr_willis> krishna,  bingo.. thats starting a  window manager ya dont have. :)
[06:12] <dr_willis> change it to 'startkde' perhaps. (the & may or may not be needed)
[06:12] <dr_willis> That still wont share your 'currently running' kde desktop. You would have actually 2 different instances of KDE going.
[06:12] <krishna> :-[ thanks for the warning !
[06:12] <krishna> just what to do for the current one?
[06:13] <dr_willis> Unless of course You do like i do.. and ssh intot he box..  and run vncserver, so  i have NO logged in/seeable desktop.   on the machines monitor.
[06:13] <dr_willis> gnome has a vncserver built in, and KDE proberly does as well.. I only rarely use the gnome one.. and have never tried the kde one.
[06:13] <dr_willis> I dont 'work' that way with them. :)
[06:14] <dr_willis> I ssh in to the remote box. run vnc4server, then connect via a vncclient
[06:14] <krishna> how to keep the box from spawning a default x session?
[06:15] <dr_willis> Its not really an issue. if  it has KDM running   or not...
[06:15] <dr_willis> someone may want to login,  locally, and  you could login via vncserver, and both be on the machine at the same time
[06:15] <dr_willis> Or just stop the kdm service if you want.
[06:15] <krishna> how?
[06:16] <dr_willis> !upstart
[06:16] <dr_willis> thers some sysv init tools that let you select what services to startup at boot time. the KDM service is what launches KDM
[06:17] <krishna> my adept says upstart is installed
[06:18] <dr_willis> upstart IS the sysv init system.. You may want to read up on it.. to learn how it works and services are started/stopped/changed
[06:18] <dr_willis> the package manager will have several 'sysv' tools that also let you manage what services are loaded at boot.  If you want NO X starting at all. disable the KDm service
[06:18] <dr_willis> !find sysv
[06:19] <dr_willis> !info  sysv-rc
[06:19] <dr_willis> !info  sysvinit
[06:19] <dr_willis> KDe at one time had a nice GUI tool to do the job.. but ive not noticed if its in kde 4.1+
[06:22] <p_quarles> dr_willis: it's an init system, but it is *not* the sys V init system; it was designed to replace that
[06:24] <dr_willis> but the sysv init tools seem to work with it.. at least all the ones ive tried has...
[06:24] <krishna> adept says sysvinit not installed.
[06:24] <dr_willis> the 'select what things to run at boot' tools
[06:25] <dr_willis> krishna,  check the package manager and read the descriptons - theres tools that let you pick what  things start at what runlevels.. there may alrleady be one isntalled in the menus.
[06:26] <dr_willis> OR just dont worry about it. havig KDM running - isent going to be that much extra load on a mondern machine.
[06:28] <krishna> okie let me just check if the basic vnc client conn works or not... brb...
[06:28] <dr_willis>  sysv-rc-conf  - is a console/text based tool that lets you add/remove things from the default runlevels
[06:28] <p_quarles> yeah, many things are started the same way in upstart; the sysv-rc-conf tool should still work (it's packaged for Ubuntu, at least)
[06:29] <p_quarles> or, if you're me, you just brute force it: sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/S30kdm /etc/rc2.d/D30kdm
[06:30] <dr_willis> theres some command line tool that can also add/remove a specific service.. but i forget its name..
[06:32] <p_quarles> update-rc.d
[06:33] <dr_willis> yea  - i can rember its one of the few commands ive seen that have a . in the name :) thats not like .sh
[06:36] <lninjox> how do you brute force lost my password
[06:36] <dr_willis> neer seen a way to recover a password..  use live cd.. and reset it to a known one.
[06:36] <p_quarles> lninjox: boot into recovery mode and type passwd username
[06:37] <dr_willis> or single/recovery   mode  :) from the grub menu.
[06:37] <lninjox> on my lampserver
[06:37]  * dr_willis isent sure when 'single user' mode became 'recovery' mode.
[06:37] <p_quarles> dr_willis: since Ubuntu changed the GRUB menu
[06:37] <p_quarles> lninjox: you mean you don't have physical access to the server?
[06:38] <lninjox> yes i do
[06:38] <dr_willis> I still think we need a 'fix these  common problem' entry in grub. ;)  I saw some disrto that had a similer thing to that
[06:39] <p_quarles> lninjox: well, it's the same for any edition of Ubuntu: boot into recovery mode and type passwd username; then reboot
[06:39] <lninjox> its that easy wow its the root password i forgot
[06:40] <dr_willis> You mean the 'sudoers' password? or you actually have a root users password set?
[06:40] <p_quarles> well, if you set the root password it's different, as recovery mode only boots without authenticating if you've left the root passwd locked
[06:40] <dr_willis> in either case.  its about the same.. only  for the user. you need to give a user name to the passwd command I recall.
[06:41] <lninjox> thanks i will try that
[06:41] <dr_willis> Ive not noticed it asking for my root set password.. then again,, my root user and  main user have the same password. :)
[06:41] <dr_willis> and i never forget them..
[06:41] <lninjox> maybe im doing it wrong
[06:41] <lninjox> i use root to access the server and change permissions to folders and such
[06:42] <dr_willis> it would be best/safest to ssh in as a user, and then use sudo properly.
[06:42] <dr_willis> assuming you are sshing in. :)
[06:42] <lninjox> i see and yes i am
[06:43] <lninjox> so even though im the user using su command actually gives me root priviliges
[06:43] <lninjox> i see
[06:43] <dr_willis> well have fun.. its bed time here.
[06:43] <lninjox> but someone was talking about bruteforcing how do you do that
[06:44] <lninjox> for curisotiy
[06:44] <p_quarles> brute forcing a password? that doesn't really seem like a topic for this channel
[06:44] <lninjox> and how can you protect yourself from it happening
[06:44] <p_quarles> by having a good password
[06:46] <lninjox> just wondered
[06:46] <p_quarles> brute force cracking refers to going through every possible option; if your password is 1234, it's easy to crack that; if it's respectably random and long, it becomes much more difficult
[06:46] <p_quarles> and ssh, for instance, can be configured to kick people off after three missed attempts or something; that's another way to make it all but impossible
[06:47] <lninjox> thats what i was thinking anyway ya hear stories and wanted know how it worked
[06:47] <lninjox> no bad intentions intended
[06:48] <lninjox> happy new year
[06:48] <p_quarles> lninjox: no worries; as you can see, though, physical access makes it impossible to protect against password changing/theft
[06:49] <lninjox> how can i stop people from spanning my simple machine forums you know of any mods
[06:50] <lninjox> spamming my bad
[07:13] <binskipy2u> I got a question, dont know where to "ask it".. i have a nicely setup kubuntu w/everything I like and everything works.. (its 64bit) can I add just "any window manager".. wouldnt fluxbox, openbox be FASTER and use lots less memory then kde?
[07:15] <krishna_> hey guys, back again, after noting another screw-up in my setup...
[07:16] <krishna_> my wireless router is set up in bridged mode, and would not even respond to pinging from my laptop through wireless connection. However the wireless connection says 'connected'
[07:17] <krishna_> is this normal?
[07:17] <krishna_> I am chatting through a bridged mode dsl modem/wireless router combo box
[07:18] <krishna_> now when I wanted to connect to the kubuntu box through the wireless LAN - wireless dsl router - wired connection to kubuntu,  I am not getting any pinging using either my gateway ip or the kubuntu box ip
[07:21] <ollynetworking> lol
[07:21] <krishna> ?
[08:31] <aurelien> hello
[08:33] <aurelien> i have install intrepid with kde 4.2 (updated), but i want now go back to kde 3.5, is there a solution ?
[08:33] <amerigo> hello kubunters
[08:33] <aurelien> hello amerigo
[08:34] <qwerty67> hola
[08:34] <amerigo> i've burn my monitor...
[08:34] <qwerty67> hello
[08:35] <aurelien> who can help me ?
[08:36] <amerigo> i see you so big!!!
[08:36] <amerigo> shoot aurelien
[08:36] <aurelien> or is possible to install hardy 8.04 with kernel 2.6.27 ?
[08:38] <amerigo> !kde
[08:48] <amerigo> aurelien: can you use adept?
[08:51] <amerigo> aurelien: to be back to kde3 >>> look for kubuntu ... you may see kubuntu-kde4-desktop installed and kubuntu-desktop uninstalled >>> so install kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <aurelien> amerigo: i have found a solution with using KDE3 Intrepid PPA repository
[08:52] <amerigo> aurelien: automatically it should be uninstall kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[08:52] <amerigo> exactly
[08:52] <aurelien> and i'm installing kubuntu-desktop-kde3
[08:52] <amerigo> but do not unistall before you have installed kubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <aurelien> no i have install without uninstall kde4
[08:53] <amerigo> right...
[08:53] <amerigo> after installation you can remove also kde4
[08:53] <aurelien> i will choose on logon with kde3 or kde4
[08:53] <amerigo> but they can qorks togheter
[08:53] <amerigo> work
[08:53] <OxDeadC0de> is "systemsettings" a kde or kubuntu program?
[09:02] <alid> hi there, does anybody know how i can remove downloaded packages which i got by adept and installed from my hard disk?
[09:04] <aurelien> fucking repository, when installing packages, there's a fucking error and a fatal exit,
[09:04] <aurelien> i don't know how install kde 3.5 under intrepid
[09:04] <stdin> !language | aurelien
[09:04] <stdin> and you can't install KDE 3 in Intrepid unless you compile it yourself
[09:05] <stdin> alid: "sudo apt-get clean"
[09:05] <stdin> OxDeadC0de: Kubuntu in KDE 3, KDE in KDE 4
[09:05] <OxDeadC0de> never mind stdin ty, found it (was kde4 tho)
[09:06] <OxDeadC0de> categories/preferences-system.png
[09:07] <alid> stdin: thanks! but wouldn't it uninstall the package from my computer?
[09:07] <aurelien> thk stdin
[09:08] <stdin> alid: clean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. It removes everything but the lock file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/.
[09:08] <stdin> from the apt-get manpage
[09:09] <stdin> so the answer is, it won't try to uninstall anything, just remove the .deb files
[09:11] <alid> stdin: i want to just remove the "eclipse" from my local repository, and not other programs. can i limit the "sudo apt-get clean" just to that particular package?
[09:12] <alid> stdin: to just remove that particular package (eclipse) i mean. sorry for my bad english.
[09:12] <stdin> alid: if you just want to remove one package then use "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/eclipse*.deb"
[09:13] <alid> stdin: great! that's exactly what i was looking for!
[09:13] <alid> stdin: thanks a lot! :-*
[09:19] <alid> aurelien: i used this post and got KDE 3.5 installed on my intrepid. it works fine! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[09:21] <stdin> ^ use that at your own peril, it's not supported
[09:22] <aurelien> alid: i have try this and have error
[09:23] <alid> aurelien: what kind of error?
[09:25] <alid> stdin: i'm not sure if there would be any problems with this KDE 3.5 in future. the only thing that i can say is that it's almost two weeks that i'm using KDE 3.5 on my intrepid and i haven't encountered any specific problems.
[09:25] <aurelien> alid: conflicts
[09:28] <alid> aurelien: sorry. i'm not that professional to help with this problem. i followed those steps and everything went fine.
[09:58] <alid> does anybody know if it is possible to instant message somebody in kopete who is not in your list (without adding him/her to your list of course!)?
[09:59] <alid> i use yahoo messenger protocol
[10:01] <zer0o> hi guys! known issue overhere, searched it up on the forums and apparently not solved... korganizer reminder daemon automatically starts at boot even when unchecked "start at login" and closed. how do i avoid that? thanks
[10:04] <hyper_ch> zer0o: do you auto-save the running session when you exit?
[10:05] <zer0o> hyper_ch: dunno how to do that so i dont think so, might it be "autosaved"?
[10:05] <hyper_ch> zer0o: you have to check what you set it to
[10:05] <hyper_ch> zer0o: make it to autosave and then exit the session while the daemon is not running
[10:05] <zer0o> hyper_ch: i didnt set it up thatz why im saying i dont think so
[10:05] <hyper_ch> zer0o: and then turn off the autosave
[10:06] <zer0o> how do i do that?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> system settings
[10:07] <zer0o> yes, once there?
[10:10] <hyper_ch> zer0o: familiarize yourself there :)
[10:10] <zer0o> hyper_ch: if im asking you is cuz i cant find it myself
[10:11] <hyper_ch> zer0o: what options do you have there?
[10:12] <zer0o> loooots
[10:12] <zer0o> and i really dunno where that could be
[10:12] <peabody> OK, this is really stupid.. http://tinyurl.com/89vkyb
[10:13] <peabody> I can't connect a Sansa Fuze to my laptop, like it doesn't even register that it's connected to my USB
[10:13] <peabody> http://paste.ubuntu.com/98895/
[10:44] <baru> hello!
[10:44] <baru> i have a question
[10:46] <baru> why the keyboard, when kubuntu load after login, runout?
[10:50] <alid> does anybody know if it is possible to instant message somebody in kopete who is not in your list (without adding him/her to your list of course!)? I'm using Yahoo Messenger Protocol.
[10:52] <DarkSmoke> msn protocol?
[10:54] <ibert> hi. How can I activate that a java class is correctly interpreted and not ignored by w3m or links or lynx?
[10:59] <alid> does anybody know if it is possible to instant message somebody in kopete who is not in your list (without adding him/her to your list of course!)? I'm using Yahoo Messenger Protocol.
[11:03] <foxmulder881> Just upgraded to kde 4.2 beta 2 this morning with kernel 2.6.28-4. Working great.
[11:12] <alid> how can i change the arrow icon which hides unwanted icons in the kicker's tray? it's a tiny black arrow by default, my kicker's background is alos black, and this arrow is invisible!
[11:13] <peabody> hmm.. can I attach a 3.5" internal CD-ROM drive to a 3.5" HDD enclosure and mount a cd from it?
[11:17] <shmokh> i have some questions on Ubuntu opreating system ....can any body help me out ?
[11:17] <hyper_ch> !question | shmokh
[11:18] <shmokh> thankfull for that
[11:19] <shmokh> where can i find a program that runs MSN messanger ?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> shmokh: did you search synaptic for msn?
[11:20] <shmokh> i've tried kopte and amsn , they both didn't work out
[11:20] <hyper_ch> shmokh: try emesen
[11:21] <shmokh> good , i have my friend working on it ,
[11:21] <shmokh> can you access to my computer and fix it ? i have problems with resolotion
[11:22] <hyper_ch> shmokh: it's not a good idea to let anyone on your computer
[11:23] <shmokh> cos i'm new in this and almost beginner
[11:24] <cllaudyu> can someone tell me why my display driver insn't installing after i click activate?
[11:28] <hyper_ch> shmokh: don't query me
[11:29] <hyper_ch> shmokh: one more query and yuo're on my block list
[11:29] <shmokh> oh
[11:29] <shmokh> sorry
[11:29] <shmokh> but you haven't answer my question
[11:29] <hyper_ch> I don't answer anything in a query
[11:30] <shmokh> ok i'm sorry about this
[11:30] <shmokh> let me start again
[11:30] <shmokh>  i have problems with resolotio
[11:30] <shmokh> can you help me out with it ?
[11:30] <shmokh> resolotion
[11:30] <hyper_ch> no
[11:31] <shmokh> ok sorry for desturbing or bothring you
[11:31] <shmokh> bye
[11:31] <Nalleman> does anyone here have the problem that notification icons in the lower panel is not drawn properly?
[11:32] <Nalleman> some of them gets "blended" with each other
[11:32] <hyper_ch> Nalleman: only with aMSN sometimes.... rest is ok for me
[11:34] <Nalleman> Ok, and you dont care much about it?
[11:35] <hyper_ch> not really
[11:41] <Nalleman> ok, then next question. How can I turn off the "save session" function so programs are actually closed when the computer is turned off
[11:44] <hyper_ch> Nalleman: system settings
[11:49] <Nalleman> hyper_ch, I cant find it
[11:49] <Nalleman> aaah, its an advanced tab
[11:53] <thomas__> I just installed 8.10, but I'm confused about the nvidia drivers.  How do I make sure that I'm using the nvidia drivers, rather than the nv driver?
[11:55] <hyper_ch> thomas__: restricted driver manager
[11:56] <thomas__> what's the command to run it?
[11:56] <Dekans> jockey-kde
[11:56] <Dekans> (maybe, i'm not sure)
[11:56] <hyper_ch> thomas__: check the entries in the system folder in kmenu
[11:58] <thomas__> I've got it, thanks for your help!
[12:12] <ivan_> народ кто нить может помочь, Ubuntu 8.10 не полностью русская, локализацию делал
[12:13] <Mamarok> !ru | ivan_
[12:15] <ozzem> a
[12:24] <Nalleman> how can startup and shutdown sound be turned off?
[12:26] <Babuto`> hi i have problem connecting to internet with my computer which is on kubuntu, but the connection works for the computer which are on windows
[12:33] <DreadKnight> anyone managed to get a bluetooth headset working in intrepid?
[12:41] <ubuntu_> hola! estaba mirando los efecto de escritorio lo tenia deshabilitado y cuando habilito se me puso negro tarda mucho en agregar....... reinicie y ya luego  me salio este mensaje en inicio cuando carga  kubuntu routine check of drives:dev/sda1
[12:41] <ubuntu_> podrian ayudarme?
[12:42] <Mamarok> !es | ubuntu_
[12:42] <ubuntu_> gracias
[12:42] <Mamarok> de nada
[12:57] <kriox> hi...
[12:58] <kriox> can i use the repositery of 7.10 or 6.06 to install kde linguage package
[12:58] <kriox> ??
[13:02] <chukwuma> hello all
[13:07] <chukwuma> I want to speak to some one
[13:07] <chukwuma> wanna chat
[13:09] <spawn57> hi folks, anyone using kde 4.2 beta from kubuntu?  Is it stable enough for everyday use?
[13:10] <Dekans> yes
[13:11] <Dekans> I use it
[13:11] <Dekans> except dolphin it's almost stable
[13:11] <spawn57> ohh sweet
[13:11] <spawn57> I'll try using it now then
[13:11] <Babuto`> hi, i have plasma that crashes at startup (i have kde4.2 beta) ; i've tried to delete ~/.kde-neon/share/config/plasma* but i still have the problem
[13:12] <DreadKnight> Babuto`: happened to me too a few days ago
[13:13] <DreadKnight> Babuto`: had to upgrade from terminal.... it's good practice to delete the whole .kde-neon folder from time to time i noticed, or just rename it so you can keep your data..
[13:20] <Guest94846> I have to install kde 4.2 but didn't work because some kdebase package problems and now I want to return to kde 4.1
[13:20] <Guest94846> how can I undo the process??
[13:22] <Babuto`> DreadKnight i deleted the directory and that did not worked
[13:23] <DreadKnight> chukwuma: feeling depressed there buddy? :P
[13:28] <Guest94846> I cann't install kde-icons-oxygen package and because of that kde 4.2 cann't be installed
[13:29] <Guest94846> someone can help me please
[13:30] <Guest94846> anybody ?
[13:38] <cristi_> stie cineva romana?
[13:38] <Thor> how can i make konqueror to be the default file manager instead dolphin ?
[13:38] <Thor> da cristi
[13:38] <cristi_> cum instalez xmms?
[13:39] <Mamarok> !ro | cristi_, Thor
[13:40] <Thor> sorry guys
[13:40] <Thor> :D
[13:41] <Mamarok> Guest94846: what repos do you use?
[13:42] <Mamarok> Guest94846: is it the only package that does not install?
[13:43] <Guest94846> Mamarok: I try the deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:44] <Mamarok> ok, but is this the only package that does not install?
[13:44] <Guest94846> no..many, because of that
[13:44] <Guest94846> let my show you
[13:44] <Mamarok> Guest94846: pastbin
[13:45] <Guest94846> http://paste.ubuntu.com/99006/
[13:45] <Guest94846> here is using the solution propose by adept-manager
[13:45] <Guest94846> so far I have read is something to do with koffice, but I cann't remove the software because always apt-get try to do the same
[13:46] <Mamarok> Guest94846: you should install kdebase!
[13:46]  * Mamarok is afk for 15 minutes
[13:48] <Guest94846> Mamarok: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/99009/ installing kdebase
[13:51] <Guest94846> Mamarok: it doesnt matter what I try to install at the end, everything depends on the kde-icons-oxigen
[13:52] <spawn57> is there an error message you can show us/
[14:00] <Mamarok> Guest94846: you might have to override the kde-cons-oxygen package then
[14:01] <Mamarok> Guest94846: are you sure all your sources show intrepid?
[14:01] <Mamarok> spawn57: Kidding...
[14:01] <Mamarok> Kidding...
[14:01] <Mamarok> sry, wrong channel
[14:01] <Mamarok> spawn57: http://paste.ubuntu.com/99006/
[14:02] <Mamarok> Guest94846: you let adept-manager change the sources to Intrepid, did you?
[14:03] <Mamarok> Guest94846: try the following:
[14:04] <Guest94846> Mamarok:  yes.. deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main is that wrong?
[14:04] <Mamarok> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite kde-icons-oxygen
[14:04] <peabody> in ubuntu, under system -> administration you have an option to Create USB Startup Disk... how do I do this in KDE?
[14:04] <spawn57> heh
[14:04] <Mamarok> Guest94846: your other source repos are Intrepid too?
[14:04] <Guest94846> yes
[14:05] <Mamarok> ok, try the above command then
[14:05] <Guest94846> Mamarok: I will try that what you wrote
[14:05] <spawn57> do apt-get -f install
[14:05] <Mamarok> spawn57: hey...
[14:06] <spawn57> Mamarok: yeah?
[14:06] <Guest94846> Mamarok: output-> dpkg: error processing kde-icons-oxygen (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing kde-icons-oxygen:
[14:06] <Mamarok> oh, brilliant
[14:07] <Mamarok> did you do sudo apt-get update && upgrade?
[14:07] <Guest94846> Mamarok: yes..I did
[14:07] <Mamarok> hm, did you try sudo apt-get install kdebase?
[14:08] <Guest94846> Mamarok: yes, but if I try to install kdebase became the same problem, need the kde-icons-oxygen package
[14:09] <Guest94846> Mamarok: I will try a fresh install of kubuntu and upon that the kde 4.2
[14:10] <Mamarok> Guest94846: sry, my bad, you must give the package path, moment please
[14:10] <Guest94846> Mamarok: ok
[14:10] <Mamarok> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_all.deb
[14:12] <Guest94846> Mamarok: I supose did work.. just some warning of --force enabled
[14:12] <Mamarok> that's normal
[14:12] <Mamarok> but you must install kdebase
[14:13] <Guest94846> I am doing it
[14:13] <Guest94846> Mamarok: done!!
[14:13] <Guest94846> Mamarok: sudo apt-get instal kdebase works
[14:14] <Mamarok> Guest94846: do an update && upgrade again, to be sure you have everything
[14:14] <dillzz> can somebody please troubleshoot an atheros network card in kubuntu 8.04 32 bit?
[14:14] <Mamarok> and then do sudo dpkg --configure -a, you might have a few things not configured yet
[14:14] <Mamarok> dillzz: sry, don't have such a card
[14:15] <dillzz> mamarok thanks anyway
[14:15] <Guest94846> Mamarok: done!, 1 not upgradfe, gwenview
[14:15] <Guest94846> *upgrade
[14:15] <Mamarok> Guest94846: that's normal
[14:15] <Mamarok> you still can use the old gwenview
[14:15] <Guest94846> Mamarok: so.. I will restart the system.. thanks very mcuh..
[14:15] <Guest94846> *much
[14:16] <Mamarok> Guest94846: de nada :)
[14:16] <Guest94846> :)
[14:16] <Guest94846> do you speak spanish?
[14:16] <Guest94846> or just "hasta la vista baby"?
[14:18] <Guest94846> Mamarok: bis du Deustch??
[14:18] <Guest94846> Mamarok: also..ich glaube du bis Frau..oder?
[14:19] <Mamarok> lo intiendo, non lo hablo :)
[14:19] <Mamarok> and yes, I'm a woman
[14:20] <Mamarok> and not German, I'm Swiss
[14:20] <Guest94846> what a nice surprice..:)
[14:21] <Guest94846> well..thanks again.. :-)
[14:21] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:29] <BluesKaj> ok I'll try this question here : strange happenings in kde4.2 ..previouis to yesterday i was able to launch google earth from the Icon on my desktop , now it launches from the desktop, but with no globe or options . I tried launching from the run command with kdesudo  ,and GE works just fine , with all options and features ..same goes if iI sudo  googleearth from the shell...is this an ownershiip issue and if so, how do I fix it ?
[14:38] <matic> can someone help me setting up wireless?:)
[14:39] <dr_willis> !wireless
[14:39] <dr_willis> :)
[14:39] <dr_willis> if by setting up you mean - getting your wireless card going.. Its either been a no-brainer, or a no-chance-in-tahiti    :)
[14:42] <linux_> uu
[14:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, dr_willis, I ran kubuntu lived cd on wifes new lappy and was able to set up wireless with 2 mouse clicks and the pw. I was pleasnatly surprised.
[14:44] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  yep - latest release  finally got it working on my laptops also.
[14:44] <dr_willis> Befor that.. i could never get it working right. or at all.
[14:44] <dr_willis> or id get wireless working.. then wired wouldent work..
[14:44] <BluesKaj> really eh
[14:46] <BluesKaj> dr_willis, much experience with ownership cmnds like chown etc ?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> BBL ...errands
[14:49] <spawn57> damn, kopete crashes cos of the new wlm plugin..
[14:51] <Raceman> spawn57: I had that issue once after upgrading to kde4.2 & WLM plugin, I decided to delete all kopete profile data in my /home dir, the last day it's working fine for me.
[14:51] <dr_willis> whats to expierence with chown.. :) you set the files to the proper owner.. and there ya go.
[14:51] <dr_willis> ;p
[14:51] <spawn57> Raceman: alright I'll give that a shot
[14:52] <Raceman> be warned that all your conversation data and profile data will lost
[14:54] <Raceman> spawn57: /home/yourprofile/.kde/share/apps/kopete and /home/yourprofile/.kde/share/config/kopeterc
[14:55] <Raceman> somebody in #python, can I have an invite? I've a python script question
[14:55] <dr_willis> Raceman,  it may require  your Nick to be Identified/regiestered
[14:56] <Raceman> how can i do that? I remember /nickserv for years ago, but that did'nt worked
[14:56] <dr_willis>  /msg nickserv help
[14:57] <Raceman> Oh yes ;p thanks :-)
[14:59] <Raceman> Lol, I'm registered and last seen 3 years ago
[15:17] <nado> hi
[15:18] <senfman> hi
[15:18] <nado> anybody using amarok2?
[15:18] <nado> and as annoyed as me about what they call improvements?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> nado, I removewd it and reinstalled 1.4
[15:23] <nado> BluesKaj: will do so as well
[15:23] <BluesKaj> improvements bah ,, it sucked ..dumbed down a lot of features ti make it so called user friendly
[15:23] <nado> yeah
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I wish kde wasn't trying to emulate MS
[15:24] <nado> besides that, it overrides my system volume and eats up my playlist
[15:24] <BluesKaj> or amarok or whoever is responsible for amarok 2
[16:07] <caracal_> join pardus
[16:08] <pjammer> haha, wicked commando advertising dude.
[16:09] <SSJ_GZ> drink coors
[16:20] <pjammer> SSJ_GZ: coors... now that is funny.
[16:20] <pjammer> bud at least.
[16:20] <pjammer> busch ftw.
[16:20] <SSJ_GZ> :)
[16:23] <khakane> did someone say buds?
[16:27] <Guest32469> is there any application to mount easily a iso file??
[16:39] <dew> hello
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Guest32469, what type of iso file ..video ?
[16:40] <smoalne> hello
[16:40] <BluesKaj> VLC will play video iso's
[16:43] <Guest32469> BluesKaj: some dvd iso
[16:43] <Guest32469> BluesKaj: dvd-film
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Guest32469, then the VLC player will play iso's
[16:46] <BluesKaj> !vlc | Guest32469
[16:48] <buckethead> Thats funny.. VLC is what brought me in today too... With .8 I could play videos over samba almost normally. With .9 it wants to download the entire thing first. Is there a way to change this?
[16:50] <senfman> i have problems downloading libasound2-dev on the current ubuntu version.
[16:50] <senfman> i get the following error message
[16:50] <senfman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:50] <senfman>   libasound2-dev: Depends: libasound2 (= 1.0.15-3ubuntu4) but 1.0.16-0ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[16:51] <BluesKaj> buckethead, I'm disappointed in the new VLC version ..it's streaming options are screwed up somehow . I can't get it to stream to a file on the hdd
[16:53] <BluesKaj> buckethead, and the crew over at #vlc aren't any help at all ..they justblame it on kde
[16:54] <vishnu> new to kubuntu
[16:55] <buckethead> Bah. I do hate the blame game.
[16:55] <buckethead> A little more unity and working together would go a very long way.
[16:55] <buckethead> Thanks.
[16:58] <BluesKaj> buckethead, agreed but the defects must be pointed out too
[17:15] <monkata> hi
[17:15] <monkata> ima li bulgari
[17:15] <monkata> tuk
[17:15] <monkata> ?
[17:17] <jhunold> !bg | mo
[17:17] <jhunold> !bg | monkata
[17:17] <monkata> yes
[17:17] <suzi> how can I install the latest nvidia drivers 180.11 or 180.16 beta? I mean where can i find any repository?
[17:19] <Guest32469> BluesKaj: but is not to play them, is to rip them.. so, my question remain, is there any application or script to easily mount and unmount iso??
[17:20] <khakane> you can mount it from CLI dont even need an app
[17:21] <khakane> mount filename.iso /mnt/point -o loop=/dev/loop0
[17:22] <suzi> in which repository can I find nvidia 180.11 ?
[17:25] <neversfelde> suzi: afaik is this a beta version, I think there is no official package.
[17:26]  * jussi01 wonders if envy has it...
[17:29] <neversfelde> suzi: btw, newest version is 180.18
[17:29] <DexterF> hi
[17:30] <suzi> neversfelde: i probably i have t owait fot official package
[17:30] <DexterF> when I keep shift pressed for a couple of seconds the keyboard stops working. doing it again frees the keys. what's this?
[17:31] <Koordin> hi i have a problem with the package kde-nightly : plasma crashes on startup
[17:32] <DexterF> deja vu
[17:32] <buckethead> Koordin: Would it be mean of me to say try again tomorrow? :/
[17:33] <Koordin> buckethead: ok i'll try again tomorrow
[17:33] <ivan_> проблема,видео прыгает, что делать???
[17:34] <buckethead> The thing about nightlys and such, They aren't really meant for production environments. Testing, Playing, Sure.
[17:34] <robinr> ivan_: english please
[17:40] <Lipe_pe> I'm having a little problem here with apache in ubuntu 8.10... I just can't connect to my pages in offline mode ... how can i fix it, please !?
[17:40] <kriox> is somebod
[17:40] <kriox> sorry
[17:41] <ivan_> проблема на Ubuntu 8.10
[17:41] <jussi01> !ru | ivan_
[17:48] <madgeek007> is tthere any way to prevent kopete  from crashing on configure wwith a tv card?
[17:51] <marek_> hi, what is native kde4 PIM app? im looking for todo list ...
[17:53] <kriox> hi..
[17:53] <jussi01> marek_: kontact
[17:54] <kriox> the question is: if the version in no long support every kind of update is not more possible?
[17:54] <jussi01> kriox: can you reword that?
[17:54] <jussi01> kriox: you are running feisty?
[17:55] <kriox> yes
[17:55] <jussi01> kriox: you can update through to gutsy, but normal repos are not available anymore
[17:56] <kriox> jussi01: well i need only the language pack
[17:57] <jussi01> kriox: there are no more updates or repos for feisty...
[17:57] <jussi01> I strongly suggest you upgrade
[17:58] <kriox> jussi01: i work at best whit my computer
[17:59] <kriox> no update it's possible
[17:59] <jussi01> !upgrade  | kriox
[17:59] <buckethead> I don't think running feisty is safe.
[18:02] <kriox> safe is not a problem
[18:02] <ruzaimi> hello
[18:03] <ruzaimi> any malay in this room
[18:03] <sl102c87> Hi
[18:03] <Tamagotono> I am trying to have this command run to change the cpu voltage "echo “9:21 72:20 6:17 134:17″ > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/phc_controls".  I have added it to /etc/rc.local but it does not do anything.  The command works fine from CLI.  Anyone have any suggestions as to how to figure out why it does not work?
[18:04] <nop_> hello
[18:05] <nop_> does anyone know how to suppress at the kde4 start
[18:05] <nop_> ?
[18:05] <nop_> * suppress the sound
[18:05] <Dekans> in notifications settings
[18:06] <nop_> ok i got it thank you
[18:06] <sl102c87> hello
[18:11] <khakane> wow i think i may be trying for a record
[18:11] <khakane> my 3 year old has ubuntu on his laptop now ;)
[18:13] <NintendoGuy0> lol khakane, can he even use it?
[18:14] <khakane> somewhat
[18:14] <khakane> he knows how to launch a dvd ;)
[18:14] <khakane> the important thing is him not growing up windows ;)
[18:15] <jussi01> !ot
[18:15] <NintendoGuy0> lol
[18:16] <draik> Hello all. I was installing SP3 to my XP system and it froze. Rebooted and it said that it was going back to the prior settings. It rebooted itself and now there is not XP for me to access. How can I install SP3 from within this Kubuntu partition?
[18:16] <NintendoGuy0> khakane, can you join #kubuntu-offtopic please?
[18:16] <jussi01> draik: no xp at grub?
[18:16] <khakane> i suppose
[18:17] <jussi01> draik: you can try running sudo update-grub
[18:17] <draik> jussi01: There is XP at grub. There isn't XP after that part. I have get the splash screen of windows booting, but after that, it's a black screen and all is frozen.
[18:18] <jussi01> draik: then Im afraid youve messed your xp install.. go talk to the lads in ##windows
[18:18] <draik> jussi01: Do you think they would know about using this partition of Kubuntu to fix the XP partition on the same HDD?
[18:20] <jussi01> draik: no, and I doubt its possible, but they should know some tricks how to fix windows...
[18:20] <jussi01> you may have to back up your stuff and reinstall windows thpough
[18:20] <jussi01> in which case you may need to reinstall grub
[18:21] <draik> jussi01: I did want to get a new HDD, but for my Kubuntu partition, not XP
[18:35] <Kovert> I am using KDE 4.1.3 in my sources.list is it normal to find my backports commented out?
[18:35] <Kovert> canonical is also commented out
[18:42] <abo> hello, how can I switch to hwcursor ?
[18:44] <Kovert> what is the difference between deb and deb-src in the sources list
[18:45] <Kovert> !deb-src
[18:45] <Kovert> !deb
[18:47] <Kovert> !faq
[18:47] <ali__> whats the best CBT training avaliable for Kubuntu
[18:50] <Ahadiel> !pm | skizofrenia
[18:51] <ali__> hummmm
[18:51] <ali__> I have got a question
[18:51] <ali__> I read on Offensive Security website that.. The BACKTRACK to the MAX will also be avaliable online
[18:51] <Kovert> ali__: please just ask the question
[18:52] <ali__> but they said coming soon , does anybody knows , how much time it will take for the backtrack to the max to come as an online course
[18:53] <ali__> hey is there any good Kubuntu CBTs ?
[18:54] <Kovert> ali__: you would need to ask them on their website
[18:55] <Kovert> ali__: http://www.linux.org/lessons/ ?
[18:55] <ali__> i saw CBTs of Ubuntu of VTC , but VTC trainings are crap
[18:56] <ali__> so i was looking for some other computer based training
[18:56] <Kovert> ali__: I klearned it the hard way trying and getting my ass kicked here
[18:56] <buckethead> Is there a way to run a command everytime something is put in a folder?
[18:57] <Kovert> !cron
[18:58] <buckethead> So rather than having it execute when the file is placed there, just have it check for new files every few minutes? Haha, That makes so much more sense.
[18:58] <Kovert> you can schedual cron every 5 seconds
[18:58] <Kovert> buckethead: :-)
[19:03] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:11] <Kovert> how can I fix this? using 4.3.1 "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/ktorrent'."
[19:11] <khakane> Kovert: which ktorrent
[19:12] <Kovert> khakane: 3.1.2
[19:12] <khakane> no, type 'which ktorrent'
[19:12] <Kovert> think that is the latest
[19:12] <khakane> in a term
[19:13] <Kovert> "/usr/bin/ktorrent"
[19:13] <khakane> weird.
[19:13] <Kovert> khakane: yup!
[19:13] <khakane> maybe one day torrents will be outlawed
[19:13] <Kovert> ktorrent works fine
[19:14] <Kovert> khakane: thats a huge help laffing
[19:14] <khakane> If you've run into the error message KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/ktorrent' on KDE 4, you are not alone. It appears that this is a KDE Bug that should be resolved in a bug-fix update in the near future. This also apparently affects other applications besides KTorrent.
[19:14] <khakane> amazing what google does.
[19:15] <Kovert> ok I iwll put the with the rss plazmoid bugg in my bug house
[19:16] <Tuetensuppe> does anyone know about random firefox crashes in kubuntu 8.10? no error message
[19:16] <Kovert> Tuetensuppe: tried it with no plugins?
[19:17] <Kovert> m/me no issues
[19:17] <Tuetensuppe> no, i should try this ;)
[19:17] <Tuetensuppe> i only use noscript and adblock
[19:17] <khakane> did you install addblock out of apt?
[19:18] <Tuetensuppe> no
[19:18] <Tuetensuppe> firefox
[19:18] <khakane> might try the one in apt if no plugins works
[19:18] <Kovert> tuxwulf: well first place is safe mode
[19:19]  * Kovert uses none of them
[19:19] <Tuetensuppe> ok i will try this
[19:19] <Tuetensuppe> thx. by the way, i have another crazy problem:
[19:19] <buckethead> Adblock is mandantory in my life. I don't surf the net without it anymore.
[19:20] <Tuetensuppe> i open a link in an application like kopete or kmail
[19:20]  * Kovert doesnt use the Interweb at all
[19:20] <buckethead> I can see that Kovert. You clearly live an unwired existance :)
[19:21] <Kovert> bucketheaD: correct
[19:21] <Tuetensuppe> firefox opens not the link directly... i get then "file:///var/tmp/kdecache-<username>/krun/9375.0.29-14-flops-high-tech-2008.html" for example
[19:22] <Kovert> weird no http
[19:22] <Kovert> thinks it's off line?
[19:23] <Tuetensuppe> it uses a tmp copy of the link i think
[19:24] <Kovert> does it work in Konqurer?
[19:24] <Tuetensuppe> mom
[19:27] <Tuetensuppe> damn, setting "in the following browser" -> firefox instead of "in an application based on the url" fixed it
[19:28] <Tuetensuppe> i think i tried this already
[19:32] <buckethead> Anybody know any ruby?
[19:32] <buckethead> What I was trying to do is add a switch to change a variable (constant?) and what I got was this "/usr/local/bin/mp4izenew:67: warning: already initialized constant HEIGHT"
[19:33] <buckethead> However, It appears to have worked?
[19:34] <Rioting_pacifist> im trying to setup raid0 for swap and / is it better to setup raid0 across the drives then partition or can i just use lvm and set it up to act like raid0
[19:43] <matthias__> hey
[19:49] <Kovert> hoc can i use a .pls file?
[19:49] <Kovert> how that os
[19:49] <Kovert> is
[19:49] <Kovert> damn
[19:49] <Tuetensuppe> Rioting_pacifist: maybe that can help you: http://linas.org/linux/raid.html
[19:50] <p_quarles> Kovert: that's a "playlist" - it doesn't do much good without the audio files referred to in the file, but you can try playing it in Amarok and seeing what happens
[19:51] <Kovert> p_quarles: that should pull the mp3 files
[19:52] <p_quarles> Kovert: if they're where the .pls file thinks they are, yes
[19:55] <Kovert> p_quarles: Do I need KDE4 for amarok2?
[19:55] <p_quarles> Kovert: well, yes, but you don't need amarok2 to open a .pls file
[19:56] <Kovert> p_quarles: cant get amarok to open it
[19:56] <p_quarles> Kovert: just about any audio player will do that, including either current version of amarok
[19:56] <p_quarles> Kovert: then it's not a working file
[19:57] <Kovert> should have been an Internet radio station
[19:57] <Kovert> http://minnesota.publicradio.org/tools/play/streams/the_current.pls
[19:58] <Kovert> I put the url in amarok and it works!
[19:59] <bernard_59650> Bonjour on ne parle que anglais ?
[19:59] <Kovert> !fr
[19:59] <bernard_59650> Merci du renseignement
[19:59] <p_quarles> Kovert: yeah, that's how streaming playlists work - you need the full URL . . .
[20:00] <Kovert> yah but...
[20:00] <Kovert> I dont like the song that is playing :-(
[20:01] <p_quarles> Kovert: that has nothing to do with the software involved here
[20:02] <Kovert> P-qI think I knew that rofl
[20:03] <Kovert> p_quarles: thanks for changing the song
[20:13] <siw3rs> siema
[20:14] <siw3rs> mam problem
[20:14] <siw3rs> czyt znajde tu pomoc?
[20:16] <siw3rs> chuj wam w cyce
[20:16] <jussi01> !pl | siw3rs
[20:18] <wesley> does running amd64 make much different when i have 2 gb of system memory ?
[20:18] <Tuetensuppe> you will have more problems with your drivers
[20:18] <wesley> running now 32 bit, but i can run amd64
[20:19] <Tuetensuppe> you'll need 64bit drivers
[20:19] <Tuetensuppe> for example my lightscribe function from my dvd writer does not run on 64 bit
[20:19] <wesley> okay, but i have that covered, i mean in performance i only have 2 gb of system memory
[20:21] <wesley> dont even know if my lightscribe works, because ive never used it
[20:21] <harald> need help with opengl render errors on intel 945 graphics chipset (but also same problem with 915)
[20:21] <Tuetensuppe> with 64 bit you can use more than 3.2 GB of RAM. it does not mention if you have 2 ore more GB of RAM. I haven't experienced any perfomance boosts with 64 bit
[20:22] <War3> hello. I am having a warcraft3 problem with Bnet, I can log into Bnet and host games and chat. but I can't see other peoples games or connect to them. does anyone know why?
[20:22] <wesley> okay, because i have installed the 32 bit version, was only cd´s i had
[20:23] <Tuetensuppe> it's ok, i use only 32 Bit systems at that time
[20:23] <pjammer> i'm using 64 bit with 2 GB of RAM. it kicks ass, fwiw.
[20:23] <Tuetensuppe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_limitations
[20:24] <wesley> most people say 64 bit running isnt that must faster when you dont have 4 gb of memory or more
[20:24] <jparishy> I've got a rather weird problem. I jut added the repository to update to KDE 4.2 beta 2, and after hitting restart, my computer has gone to a black screen with an assorted array of symbols of different colors, ie. green smileyfaces, music notes, etc
[20:24] <jparishy> Part of the update was the linux kernel 2.6.27-9, maybe that is the problem?
[20:27] <wesley> but 64 bit is i fact beter than 32 bit? Or is that a misunderstanding?
[20:33] <harald> can someone please give me a helping hand with intel 945 graphics and opengl problems?
[20:33] <khakane> whats the problems?
[20:34] <khakane> poor performance?
[20:35] <harald> no, but render errors
[20:35] <khakane> you could try this in your xorg.conf
[20:35] <harald> for instance, google earth cannot properly display
[20:36] <khakane> Option      "AccelMethod"   "XAA"
[20:36] <khakane> under your "Device" section
[20:36] <khakane> i got lot better performance out of 965 that way
[20:36] <harald> I'm experiencing the same problems on both an EeePC with 945 as well as on an older Acer with 915 chipset.
[20:37] <khakane> give that a shot see if it helps
[20:37] <harald> what's the difference between XAA and the usual DRI?
[20:37] <khakane> there are problems with the other acceleration styles on intel video atm
[20:37] <harald> XAA -- x accelerated architecture?
[20:38] <harald> okay, will try that and come back to report.
[20:38] <khakane> and yes it is
[20:38] <War3> wesley: its not really so much better that it matters, compilers aren't too great for 64bit cpus, since 32bit research has a further edge
[20:38] <khakane> XFree86 Acceleration Architecture
[20:40]  * harald about to Alt-Backsp...
[20:40] <wesley> harald i need help on that intel stuff to
[20:43] <amortvigil> help my menu bars return empty every login
[20:44] <khakane> stop rebooting :)
[20:45] <bernard_> je ne trouve plus le serveur en Français !
[20:45] <khakane> harald: any better?
[20:45] <harald> well, selecting XAA did not help.
[20:45] <khakane> ;\
[20:45] <harald> situation is as follows...
[20:45] <amortvigil> khakane: hehe funny
[20:46] <khakane> amortvigil: sorry :)
[20:46] <bernard_> SVP pouvez vous me donner le lien en fr merci
[20:46] <harald> kubuntu 8.10 with kde 4.2beta2 installed. kwin is running and compositing is enabled.
[20:46] <khakane> harald: i really dont know what else to check, everything rendered fine for me but slowly till i changed to XAA and then it was acceptable.
[20:47] <khakane> hrmm what is composting?  im running same setup minus that
[20:47] <khakane> on 965 tho
[20:47] <harald> well, "composting" is probably what happens to compositing when it does not work properly ... ;)
[20:48] <khakane> compositing sorry
[20:48] <khakane> kinda half payin attention here and half on my son
[20:48] <harald> how old?
[20:49] <p_quarles> bernard_: si #ubuntu-fr n'existe pas, allez a http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ peut-etre? ce canal-ci ne parle francais
[20:51] <harald> argh ... switching off composition in kwin using Shift+Alt+F12 makes the situation much better :~
[20:53] <wesley> khakane doesnt performace beter, can you post your xorg ?
[20:54] <khakane> wesley: sure http://www.bigafro.org/xorg.conf
[20:55] <wesley> how much fps do you get ?
[20:55] <khakane> may depend on chipset model im not sure.  i stubled across it looking for 965 probs
[20:55] <khakane> wesley: i never benchmarked it
[20:56] <wesley> never run glxgears ?
[20:56] <khakane> kwin just worked immensely better when i changed to XAA
[20:56] <khakane> wesley: nope
[20:57] <wesley> will you run glxgears full screen to see if you got higher fps ?
[20:57] <khakane> sure what is package name
[20:57] <wesley> just open konsole and typ glxgears
[20:57] <khakane> er i see it, just wonder where it says the FPS?
[20:58] <wesley> you have to let it run a few min, and full screen
[20:58] <khakane> k running now
[20:58] <khakane> w/ XAA
[20:59] <khakane> glxgears -fullscreen
[20:59] <wesley> yes need to run it full screen, i only have about 100 fps
[21:00] <mooperd> Hi, KDE 4 is looking all rubbish, for instance the tabs on firefox have something wrong with them
[21:00] <abo> is it possible to have a hardware cursor ?
[21:00] <harald> on my eeepc901go with 845 it's around 140fps, regardless of composition on or off
[21:00] <Tm_T> mooperd: oh, it's not KDE being rubbish then
[21:01] <khakane> 130 FPS
[21:01] <khakane> w/ XAA
[21:01] <harald> with option xaa, but it seems to be the same speed as with DRI
[21:01] <mooperd> Tm_T: Well it dont look great all the graphics seem to be a bit off
[21:01] <harald> and its 1024x600
[21:01] <Tm_T> mooperd: aye, it's all about your GTK settings
[21:01] <khakane> mooperd: yea the default theme is lacking, just snag a better theme
[21:02] <wesley> ow 130 is 30 fps more, but doesnt say that much, but okay kwin runs
[21:02] <BluesKaj> mooperd, kde4 suffers from 'artifacts' , but mostly it's stable
[21:02] <matthias__> why does my usb external dvd burner isnt knowed ?
[21:02] <mooperd>  Tm_T could you elaborate?
[21:02] <khakane> running w/o XAA now.
[21:02] <wesley> But it is a bug that with the intel gma thing
[21:03] <khakane> 135fps
[21:03] <wesley> little beter, just hope kubuntu will fix that gma bug
[21:04] <harald> acronym alert :) gma=?
[21:05] <wesley> grapisch media accelarator
[21:05] <harald> many thanks!
[21:06] <khakane> wesley: you got a link to more info about the bug?
[21:06] <wesley> not really but you can searh on intel gma 965
[21:11] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094 khakane this one
[21:12] <khakane> wesley: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094
[21:12] <khakane> haha yea i was already there
[21:13] <wesley> i had i logged at my lauchpad, but the still dont have fixed it
[21:14] <worldhunter> where am i?
[21:14] <wesley> the bug is all there from alpha 3 of 8.10, way to go off ubuntu
[21:15] <worldhunter> who are you?
[21:15] <khakane> i wonder why my performance is so much lower than everyone else using 965
[21:15] <khakane> heh
[21:17] <wesley> most dont get hight fps , and that bug is not fixed yet
[21:18] <khakane> wonder what my work box gets on intel..
[21:18] <khakane> er nvidia**
[21:20] <khakane> lol 4000 FPS
[21:20] <khakane> steadily around 3600
[21:20] <samirnassar> I am trying to debug problems with Amarok 2 on Kubuntu Intrepid with ID2v2.4 tagged Ogg files.
[21:22] <wesley> khakane i believe its really a bug, because intel grapics are normally very good
[21:23] <pyrotix> Help. I've been trying to copy a directory to a portable hard drive and it doesn't want to work.Graphically it fails, and when I try to sudo cp -r source dest I get a list of "cannot create ____ : Input/output error" errors
[21:23] <khakane> yea must be hehe
[21:23] <bradbn4> Hi ya - looking to move on from mandriva to kubuntu - how well is the server (samba) and programming on the current release?  programming would c/c++ maybe a bit of fortran -
[21:23] <fdoving> pyrotix: broken disk.
[21:23] <samirnassar> pyrotix: does dmesg say anything?
[21:24] <pyrotix> a bunch of stuff when I type it in the command line
[21:25] <pyrotix> stuff like:
[21:25] <pyrotix> [101915.416259] sd 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device
[21:25] <pyrotix> [101915.416272] printk: 104 messages suppressed.
[21:26] <pyrotix> so is the disk broken?
[21:26] <pyrotix> the computer has been running fine off it
[21:27] <khakane> wesley: does -vsync make a difference?
[21:29] <wesley> yeah vsync is slower
[21:30] <khakane> you use it?
[21:30] <wesley> no
[21:30] <khakane> i notice no speed difference between EXA and XAA
[21:30] <perseid> Hi. I did a fresh install of Ibex and my NTFS drives ask for my PW and mount when I click them in Dolphin, but is there a way to make them mount automatically on startup? I'm used to fstab, but that's not what it's using to see my drives now because they're not listed there.
[21:31] <khakane> wesley: how to disable it?
[21:31] <wesley> systemsettings
[21:32] <pyrotix> so what does the dmesg text mean? is my disk broken? And if so how do I copy all whole files from the directory to the portable hard disk?
[21:32] <khakane> hrmm it says vsync is turned off yet i seen it in the Xorg.0.log
[21:35] <wesley> khakane i dont know about it
[21:35] <khakane> oh well, just wait and hope it gets fixed, it runs fine for my day to day stuff tho really
[21:36] <kevin__> Hello all...............does any one  have experience of Zune, (microsoft device) and kubuntu. I want to use the zune and sync it with amarok.
[21:36] <jussi01> kevin__: Ive never been able to get it to sync at all, or even read. nor has anyone on the net from my research
[21:37] <kevin__> Thanks jussi
[21:37] <kevin__> that conclusiion is the same as mine
[21:38] <harald> ...read the i965 bug report on launchpad -- the problems people see when it comes to opengl rendering are the same I'm seeing on the older 945 and 915.
[21:41] <gleyve> When I plug my headphone, audio is still in pc speak. I've already disabled pc speak at alsa mixer..This also happens in windows :(
[21:44] <perseid> I have a similar problem. I have a magicjack that Linux sees as an audio device. No matter what I do it tries to use it unless I unplug it.
[21:46] <pkodon> Hmm, did I get disconnected again?
[21:51] <amortvigil_> hello  can any one help me? everytime i lgoin my menubar is empty
[21:54] <BluesKaj> amortvigil_, do you mean the kmenu ?
[21:56] <samirnassar> -/wc
[21:59] <amortvigil_> BluesKaj: well acually all plasmoids on the menu and desktop
[21:59] <amortvigil_> menubar*
[22:00] <maze> Hi (sorry bin Anfänger am testen)
[22:01] <amortvigil_> BluesKaj: i think something like this will work: rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc && kill -9 `pgrep plasma` && plasma &
[22:01] <amortvigil_> but there is no plasmarc in 4.2
[22:02] <amortvigil_> maze: are you the one from #gentoo-nl
[22:02] <maze> no, sorry
[22:02] <BluesKaj> amortvigil_, 4.2 has some bugs , after the latest upgrades , the disappearing widgets prob went away
[22:03] <amortvigil_> BluesKaj: fully upgraded
[22:04] <BluesKaj> ok, try checking the hardware drivers , for some unknown reason my graphics card driver was disabled after the last upgrade
[22:05] <goianousa> OI
[22:05] <TatrIX> hi
[22:05] <amortvigil_> BluesKaj: my graphics driver is acting wierd too... i have nvidia geforce 8500 but its noit realy nice
[22:05] <amortvigil_> brb
[22:05] <TatrIX> some that can help me? :)
[22:06] <goianousa> MEU audio nao funciona qm pode me ajudar
[22:06] <BluesKaj> !ask | TatrIX
[22:06] <maze> good n8
[22:07] <BluesKaj> !es | goianousa
[22:07] <TatrIX> is it possible to link a linux pc with a windows pc so that the windows can get online through the linux ?
[22:08] <goianousa> ok gracias
[22:08] <TatrIX> through USB
[22:08] <perseid> How do I just disable an audio device?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> perseid, a soundcard ?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> or audio input or out put ?
[22:10] <goianousa> ok
[22:10] <perseid> I have a soundcard I want to use. I have a USB device I don't. It's using the USB device unless I unplug it.
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:11] <BluesKaj> perseid, asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard" in the konsole ... mkae sure the USB device is unplugged when you do this
[22:11] <BluesKaj> err make sure
[22:13] <perseid> That worked, thanks.
[22:13] <BluesKaj> perseid, if your not sure about the soundcard make and model do this : cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:13] <BluesKaj> ok, good
[22:16] <amortvigil> BluesKaj: it didnt work, how do i check my graphics driver?
[22:16] <amortvigil> virusje
[22:16] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, lspci | grep VGA
[22:17] <amortvigil> BluesKaj: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1)
[22:17] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, or look in the kmenu /system / hardware drivers
[22:19] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, also you can install the proper driver for your card by typing nVidia GeForce 8400 GS in the adept search bar then look in the properties section at the available drivers listed
[22:26] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, it's the same driver that I use the nvidia-glx-177
[22:26] <amortvigil> BluesKaj: how did you solve it?
[22:26] <BluesKaj> amortvigil, i installed the driver and rebooted
[22:27] <BluesKaj> then activated it from the kmenu/applications/system/hardware
[22:28] <amortvigil> blue lets have a look
[22:29] <IDWMaster> My KDE Screensaver keeps freezing after 15 minutes.
[22:29] <kdebenutzer> Wie kommt es, dass Kaffeine unter ubuntu häufig einfriert und doppelt so viel CPU verbraucht wie  unter Kubuntu
[22:30] <IDWMaster> My KDE Screensaver keeps freezing after 15 minutes of inactivity. Any suggestions?
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> IDWMaster: i got that too, so switched back to fluxbox
[22:32] <IDWMaster> I'm new to Kubuntu. What is fluxbox?
[22:33] <IDWMaster>  I'm new to Kubuntu. What is fluxbox?
[22:34] <BluesKaj> !fluxbox
[22:34] <perseid> Is there a way to make the task-list in the KDE panel display 2 rows of programs?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> IDWMaster: instead of kwin, you can use fluxbox which uses less resources than KDE
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> and kwin
[22:35] <BluesKaj> !de | kdebenutzer
[22:36] <IDWMaster> Thanks. It looks like this will fix it.
[22:37] <BluesKaj> the screensaver options in kde 4 are very limited ...they are almost nonexistent in kde4.2
[22:43] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, the kscreensaver app will give all sorts of options if installed , it's just not installed by default in kde4
[22:43] <amortvigil> BluesKaj: brb
[22:44] <BluesKaj> ok amortvigil
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: I use fluxbox now, I have kde libs installed but I dont like kwin + kde
[22:44] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, IC
[22:45] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: kde apps - yes, kde itself - no
[22:46] <BluesKaj> I'm wondering how to get an app to my desktop that requires permission to launch ...dunno why it suddenly changed , cuz I used to have a working icon for it on my desktop ...googeearth
[22:47] <siw3rs> vcb
[22:47] <BluesKaj> err googleearth
[22:47] <siw3rs> h
[22:47] <siw3rs> g
[22:48] <BluesKaj> siw3rs, ?
[22:48] <siw3rs> sry no this chanel
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: what happens if you run it from konsole?
[22:51] <BluesKaj> it launches perfectly
[22:51] <BluesKaj> from the konsole
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> ok sweet
[22:52] <ActionParsnip> then remove the desktop shortcut and recreate it
[22:52] <BluesKaj> I'd just like to be able to launch from the desktop , that's all ...dunno how to recreate it ..it's not in the kmenu
[22:53] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: run: which googleearth (assuming thats the command to launch it)
[22:53] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, i have to do , sudo googleearth in the konsole
[22:54] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: it needs sudo to run?
[22:54] <BluesKaj> yes
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> well you should use kdesudo as its a gui app
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: did you run the installer as sudo?
[22:56] <BluesKaj> yes, when I use the run cmnd I use kdesudo
[22:56] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: you need to run the installer for GE as user
[22:57] <BluesKaj> it was abinary ..yes i think I did
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: you can then run it as a user
[22:57] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: i'd create a script to run the app as sudo and put it on the desktop
[22:58] <BluesKaj> yeah , #!bin/bash , then sudo googlearth ..  :)
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-May/147019.html
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: use that so you dont need sudo
[22:58] <ActionParsnip> then you can simply symlink it
[22:59] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: sudo for web based apps isnt advised
[22:59] <tomasz> can someone tell me how to configure konversation to enable quakenet?
[23:00] <Guest23065> anyone here?
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> Guest23065: no one at all
[23:01] <Guest23065> anybody here who has also problems with nvidia grafic cards and KDE4 symbols in the task bar ?
[23:02] <wildbat> hi~ do anyone knows how to set power saving ? like turn off monitor after 5 mntues , HDD after 30 idle ?
[23:03] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, nope , the 2 commands merely open GE without any options , no globe ,nothing but the stars
[23:04] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: funky. I'd use the script
[23:05] <Dragnslcr> wildbat- monitor is under System Settings -> Display
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: googleearth is in repos dud
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install googleearth
[23:07] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, it won't load properly in kde 4.2
[23:08] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: bah
[23:12] <wildbat> Dragnslcr: Oh right ~ how about HDD?
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> No idea
[23:12] <Guest6625> anybody here who has also problems with nvidia grafic cards and KDE4 symbols in the task bar ?
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> Guest6625: used to when i ran kde#
[23:14] <ActionParsnip> Guest6625: apparently kde 4.2 sorts it
[23:15] <Guest6625> it's like partly white frame above the symbols
[23:15] <Guest6625> but not always
[23:15] <Guest6625> i use version 177 of nvidia driver
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> Guest6625: i'd ask in #kde
[23:17] <Guest6625> sorry 4.1
[23:17] <gl_> apparently the 177 driver is very buggy, i am also waiting for an update
[23:18] <Guest6625> better way to use another one?
[23:18] <gl_> you can download the newer beta from nvidia site, but you have to install manually
[23:18] <Guest6625> i could choose 173 and 96 version
[23:19] <gl_> no, newer
[23:19] <Guest6625> OK so we have to wait, damn
[23:19] <gl_> same here!
[23:19] <perseid> Yeah, I'm going back to XP. Nothing works right here.
[23:20] <gl_> Uh?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> perseid: linux isnt for everyone
[23:20] <gl_> "Nothing"?
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> perseid: you could try a different distro
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> perseid: there is more than ubuntu
[23:21] <Guest6625> me not, i only use XP for some small problems i still have with SW running on Kubuntu. Mainly Openoffice.
[23:21] <Guest6625> It works great, but does not have all the functions i need. But the OS (Kubuntu 8.10 works great)
[23:22] <perseid> Most of what I see is probably related to the video driver. Or KDE.
[23:22] <Guest6625> The biggest problem i have is having only ISDN instead of ADSL
[23:23] <gl_> Probably to the video driver and new KDE combination
[23:23] <gl_> Have you tried suse? or kde 3.5?
[23:23] <Guest6625> i heard Mandriva should work very well
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> perseid: use gnome, or xfce instead
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> mandriva, fedora, gentoo
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> there are literally billions
[23:24] <gl_> billions?
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> im sure theres near enough
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> gl_: www.distrowatch.org
[23:25] <perseid> Well, as if it saw me say XP one of the gliches has magically gone away. LOL
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> perseid: i'd suggest maybe mandriva or fedora or suse
[23:25] <gl_> I know... but "billions" sounds a bit exaggerated
[23:25] <ActionParsnip> gl_: is a bit but it makes my point
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> perseid: if you are a linux newb you will have teething issues
[23:29] <perseid> Icons in the taskbar keep disappearing. Is that a known driver thing?
[23:29] <Guest6625> i'm also a newb, but with actual version of the distris it's normally no problem. Start synaptic, choose the SW you want and install...nothing to compile by hand or things like this...
[23:29] <ActionParsnip> perseid: yeah its a funny thing in kde, I think its addressed ni 4.2
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> Guest6625: sometimes its needed, like getting those garbge xfi sound cards working
[23:30] <Guest6625> OK, i will leave...here it's 0:30h. Good night and thanks for your comments
[23:47] <witzman__> hi
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> yo
[23:48] <witzman__> can anyone pls tell me how i can add a shellcommand to the boot sequence? i want to automatically run a command as root before lmce starts up
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> !startup
[23:50] <witzman__> not in kde
[23:50] <witzman__> script have to be executed before kde loads
[23:50] <witzman__> !boot
[23:50] <BluesKaj> witzman__, don't add it to the boot sequence, try the /etc/init.d
[23:51] <witzman__> i have created a script in this location
[23:51] <BluesKaj> if you have a script ready
[23:51] <witzman__> when i start it by calling the name, it works
[23:51] <witzman__> but not automatically
[23:52] <BluesKaj> give the scipt a name.sh and use #!/bin/bash and make it executable of course
[23:54] <BluesKaj> witzman__,to place the script : alt_f2 then, kdesudo konqueror /etc/init.d
[23:55] <BluesKaj> witzman__, it should work automatically when the OS loads
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: doesnt have to have a .sh extension
[23:58] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, are you sure ?
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj: as long as you chmod +x it it will be executed, file extensions arent massivley essential in linux