[02:18] <mn> Hello, I would like to test Jaunty.  I have 8.10.  How may I upgrade to the Jaunty alpha?
[02:21] <mikegriffin> do-release-upgrade -d   perhaps
[02:31] <mn> mikegriffin: will this autoupgrade, or just give me the choice to continue?
[02:31] <mikegriffin> you know what alpha means don't you?
[02:31] <mn> mikegriffin: yes
[02:32] <mn> I want to know if it works so I'll know if I need to make another partition and install on that.  If I can't upgrade to the alpha, then no sense in making another partition
[02:33] <mikegriffin> it will modify sources.list and grab the new meta data followed by a prompt to proceed, at that point if you say no, it will undo the changes to sources.list and clean up meta iirc
[02:33] <mikegriffin> tried it once a few days ago and it seems like that is what happened but ymmv
[02:33] <mn> ah  ok
[02:34] <mikegriffin> i just went to jj and most things are working, some are very broken
[02:34] <mn> What is it that's broken?
[02:36] <mikegriffin> various things, nothing that is a show stopper or easy to describe
[02:37] <mn> oh
[04:18] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13322
[04:19] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before I'll be able to use compiz on OSS drivers.
[04:54] <DanaG> Is there any way to get PulseAudio to use a HID device attached to a USB audio device... to control that audio device rather than the default audio device?
[06:05] <Arodon> when I try to bring up a gnome-terminal or any other terminal I get the dialog "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal", and when I try to ssh into the machine I get "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0", which I assume is another symptom of the same problem. What's going on here?
[08:00] <nowimproved> how can I just upgrade to 8.10?
[08:00] <nowimproved> or is 9.04 ok to upgrade to?
[08:41] <naught101> Has anyone had any trouble connecting to wireless networks in the past week?
[10:07] <somethingclever> hey i keep getting an error trying to upgade to jaunty alpha 2
[10:07] <somethingclever> http://pastebin.com/df2b4205
[10:09] <somethingclever> can any one help me out?
[10:09] <somethingclever> is anyone online?
[10:12] <somethingclever> it just keeps happening and i dont know what to do
[10:18] <ikonia> somethingclever: use a different repo, or manaully/visually check it
[10:18] <ikonia> somethingclever: don't forget jaunty is still in development so can and will break
[10:19] <somethingclever> how do i get the update manager to look at a different repo?
[10:19] <ikonia> somethingclever: with respect if you cant manage the package manager you shouldn't be upgrading to alpha software in my opinion
[10:21] <somethingclever> probably not, im not too worried about breaking the system, though. i just
[10:21] <somethingclever> kinda want to mess with jaunty
[10:22] <ikonia> think of it from a point of view of people supporting you, if you can't change the package managers sources, your going to be asking for help with everything in a development repo
[10:22] <ikonia> which isn't really the intention of the channel
[10:22] <ikonia> but it's your call if you want to push on, just realise you won't get support for it
[10:23] <somethingclever> i get it, after the upgrade is done, im sure I can manage from there
[10:23] <somethingclever> if not
[10:23] <somethingclever> I'll reinstall
[10:23] <somethingclever> no biggie
[10:24] <ikonia> ok, good luck
[12:43] <dimsim> q: will ndiswrapper and ndisutils ndisgtk be available in xubuntu for PPC? Im running an old ibook g3 600mhz and trying to hook up a wireless Linksys WUSB300N
[13:07] <homy> hi, I have a question: I'm running jaunty currently, but I can only access "low graphics mode" with a tiny resolution. I have nvidia geforce 7050. Jockey doesn't show me any drivers, installing the nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx-### doesn't work (either aptitude says No candidate version found or it wants to remove xorg).
[13:07] <homy> Any possibility of running in higher resolution/with compiz?
[13:29] <homy> well, I guess jaunty is still alpha, so I'll try again later.
[17:18] <thesaltydog> few users from 8.04 are reporting that during a dist-upgrade they had a lot of Jaunty (9.04) packages installed!
[17:29] <skorasaurus> hi, how do I request a package to be upgraded on jaunty ? do I contact the maintainers ? (MOTU, in this case, on their mailing list ?)
[20:14] <Raspberry> anybody want to comment the sstate of today's daily iso build?
[20:14] <Raspberry> good ... bad... use alpha 2 instead?
[20:51] <the_dark_warrio> where can I see the current features available in this alpha release?
[21:20] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/104999/ apt-get install nvidia-glx-96 The following packages will be REMOVED:   xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core...  xorg-everthing....
[21:20] <CarlFK> so does that mean I will have no X?
[21:23] <TheInfinity> yep
[21:23] <TheInfinity> -> report it as bug. dependency problem ;)
[21:24] <dtchen> remember that the new X server abi (1.6) is incompatible with the current Nvidia drivers in the repo
[21:25] <dtchen> TheInfinity: it isn't a dependency problem/bug. it's correct.
[21:25] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/105002/  theres the result
[21:25] <TheInfinity> dtchen: hmm ok. :)
[21:26] <CarlFK> so I am guessing I should go back to ibex
[21:26] <TheInfinity> dtchen: so more a version problem of nvidia drivers.
[21:27] <TheInfinity> ok i dont have to use this drivers, didnt know
[21:27] <TheInfinity> CarlFK: jaunty is alpha. what do you expect? :)
[21:28] <jsnyder> re: conversation about nvidia-glx-96: why include those drivers at all to install if installing them breaks x?
[21:29] <jsnyder> that said.. "it's beta" is a perfectly valid response
[21:29] <dtchen> because there is no existing driver that IS compatible with the 1.6 abi yet?
[21:30] <dtchen> (obviously referring to fglrx & nvidia here)
[21:31] <dtchen> also, it's standard for things to break horribly for the first several alphas
[21:31] <jsnyder> right, but, it is broken, is the only point i'm making
[21:31] <TheInfinity> jsnyder: will be fixed when nvidia releases compatible drivers
[21:31] <jsnyder> the  package description may be right, but the result of installing it is broken
[21:31] <jsnyder> right
[21:32] <dtchen> no, it works fine with the current fglrx & nvidia drivers if you pin to the previous versions of xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[21:33] <dtchen> i've been running that on my laptop for some time
[21:33] <jsnyder> right
[21:33] <dtchen> (sorry, typing on this g1 is pretty slow)
[21:33] <jsnyder> are those in the jaunty repo, or do you have to pin it from intrepid
[21:33] <dtchen> you have to pull from launchpad
[21:33] <dtchen> they were formerly in jaunty
[21:33] <jsnyder> ah, is there a ppa or something?
[21:34] <dtchen> no
[21:34] <dtchen> use the lp links for those versions
[21:34] <jsnyder> ah, ok
[21:34] <jsnyder> fair enough, and then just pin the versions
[21:35] <dtchen> 7.4~5ubuntu5, 1.5.3-1ubuntu1, 2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6, respectively
[21:35] <jsnyder> i think i may just wait on intrepid until those releases happen
[21:35] <jsnyder> ok
[21:36] <dtchen> i also use 0.15.2-0ubuntu7 of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[21:36] <jsnyder> also, nvidia are just planning to update the mainline, most-modern drivers, I assume?  not the old ones needed to support older hardware?
[21:37] <dtchen> likely, tho' i am no engineering manager at nvidiaq
[21:40] <CarlFK> how do I pin thing?
[21:41] <dtchen> see apt_preferences
[21:42] <jsnyder> it'd be nice in the mean time to provide deprecated packages for x, that could get installed alongside the nvidia drivers, but I suppose I understand not wanting to support 2 versions of X
[21:43] <jsnyder> i presume you just mean doing holds on packages?
[21:43] <dtchen> the release notes for the current alphas make a point to state not using on prod systems
[21:43] <dtchen> pins are not the same as holds
[21:44] <dtchen> the former is done solely through conffile, the latter, through an interactive session with apt/dpkg
[21:45] <jsnyder> right, I've done that previously when I've installed my own versions of netatalk with ssl enabled.
[21:46] <jsnyder> I see, in the man page for apt_preferences
[21:49] <jsnyder> thanks
[21:51] <CarlFK> dtchen: im ok with all this - it's a box hooked to my TV so I can watch crap.  as long as it doesn't catch fire and burn my house down while I sleep...
[21:52] <dtchen> the gpl doesn't guarantee it won't...
[21:52] <CarlFK> so it's a good environment for testing and getting buggs flushed out
[21:54] <CarlFK> Ill put some 2 leeter bottles of soda on top of it.  fire will cause the bottles to explode, and the resulting spray will put out the fire
[21:54] <CarlFK> or at lest the bang will wake me up
[21:55] <jsnyder> there you go
[21:56] <jsnyder> actually, with crt monitors it used to be possible to potentially blow out your monitor if you set things up incorrectly
[21:56] <jsnyder> http://www.daemonnews.org/199901/xpert.html
[21:57] <jsnyder> I think the X configurator used to carry some sort of warning a while ago to that effect...
[21:58] <CarlFK> I have another box that likes to reboot durring the boot process.  ran memtest for 12 hours, no errors
[21:58] <CarlFK> tried some kernel noThisNthat, no help
[21:58] <CarlFK> what is the most 'safe' set of kernel params?
[21:59] <jsnyder> you might want to try disabling acpi
[21:59] <CarlFK> im sure I did :)
[21:59] <jsnyder> hrm..
[21:59] <jsnyder> does it boot to single user?
[21:59] <CarlFK> nope
[22:00] <CarlFK> not sure it ever gets past mounting the root fs
[22:00] <CarlFK> it does get to that, becuase it just started doing fsck
[22:00] <jsnyder> so it blows up on fsck?
[22:00] <jsnyder> do live cds boot?
[22:00] <CarlFK> I looked away, I looked back a few min later, it was back to POST
[22:01] <jsnyder> hmm..
[22:01] <CarlFK> juanty live cd also did the reboot loop
[22:01] <CarlFK> I have a 7.10 cd I should try
[22:01] <jsnyder> ok, so it's not the disk drive
[22:01] <jsnyder> yeah, i'd try a release version
[22:03] <CarlFK> fsck, got about 2 = up, rebooted.  7.10 cd was in, i picked safe graphics mode, the bouncy bar bounced back and forth maybe 2 times, reboot
[22:04] <jsnyder> so you tried acpi=off and noapic?
[22:05] <CarlFK> leme do that now...
[22:06] <jsnyder> I haven't had any boards with wonky acpi or apic recently, but those have helped in the past
[22:07] <jsnyder> sometimes bios updates have fixed issues like that too
[22:08] <jsnyder> I suppose the other standard procedure of pulling everything not necessary to boot whichever media you have the OS on applies as well.
[22:21] <CarlFK> trying ... acpi=off noapic
[22:21] <CarlFK> wholy crap - the 7.10 cd booted to a desktop
[22:25] <jsnyder> nice
[22:26] <CarlFK> crap - I should have done some lshw to get bios id stuff...
[22:27] <CarlFK> booted the jaunty alt installer with acpi=off noapic - thats working.
[22:27] <CarlFK> could just be that the box needed to warm up...
[22:27] <jsnyder> interesting