| mn | Hello, I would like to test Jaunty. I have 8.10. How may I upgrade to the Jaunty alpha? | 02:18 |
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| mikegriffin | do-release-upgrade -d perhaps | 02:21 |
| mn | mikegriffin: will this autoupgrade, or just give me the choice to continue? | 02:31 |
| mikegriffin | you know what alpha means don't you? | 02:31 |
| mn | mikegriffin: yes | 02:31 |
| mn | I want to know if it works so I'll know if I need to make another partition and install on that. If I can't upgrade to the alpha, then no sense in making another partition | 02:32 |
| mikegriffin | it will modify sources.list and grab the new meta data followed by a prompt to proceed, at that point if you say no, it will undo the changes to sources.list and clean up meta iirc | 02:33 |
| mikegriffin | tried it once a few days ago and it seems like that is what happened but ymmv | 02:33 |
| mn | ah ok | 02:33 |
| mikegriffin | i just went to jj and most things are working, some are very broken | 02:34 |
| mn | What is it that's broken? | 02:34 |
| mikegriffin | various things, nothing that is a show stopper or easy to describe | 02:36 |
| mn | oh | 02:37 |
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| DanaG | http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13322 | 04:18 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I wonder how long it'll be before I'll be able to use compiz on OSS drivers. | 04:19 |
| DanaG | Is there any way to get PulseAudio to use a HID device attached to a USB audio device... to control that audio device rather than the default audio device? | 04:54 |
| Arodon | when I try to bring up a gnome-terminal or any other terminal I get the dialog "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal", and when I try to ssh into the machine I get "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0", which I assume is another symptom of the same problem. What's going on here? | 06:05 |
| nowimproved | how can I just upgrade to 8.10? | 08:00 |
| nowimproved | or is 9.04 ok to upgrade to? | 08:00 |
| naught101 | Has anyone had any trouble connecting to wireless networks in the past week? | 08:41 |
| somethingclever | hey i keep getting an error trying to upgade to jaunty alpha 2 | 10:07 |
| somethingclever | http://pastebin.com/df2b4205 | 10:07 |
| somethingclever | can any one help me out? | 10:09 |
| somethingclever | is anyone online? | 10:09 |
| somethingclever | it just keeps happening and i dont know what to do | 10:12 |
| ikonia | somethingclever: use a different repo, or manaully/visually check it | 10:18 |
| ikonia | somethingclever: don't forget jaunty is still in development so can and will break | 10:18 |
| somethingclever | how do i get the update manager to look at a different repo? | 10:19 |
| ikonia | somethingclever: with respect if you cant manage the package manager you shouldn't be upgrading to alpha software in my opinion | 10:19 |
| somethingclever | probably not, im not too worried about breaking the system, though. i just | 10:21 |
| somethingclever | kinda want to mess with jaunty | 10:21 |
| ikonia | think of it from a point of view of people supporting you, if you can't change the package managers sources, your going to be asking for help with everything in a development repo | 10:22 |
| ikonia | which isn't really the intention of the channel | 10:22 |
| ikonia | but it's your call if you want to push on, just realise you won't get support for it | 10:22 |
| somethingclever | i get it, after the upgrade is done, im sure I can manage from there | 10:23 |
| somethingclever | if not | 10:23 |
| somethingclever | I'll reinstall | 10:23 |
| somethingclever | no biggie | 10:23 |
| ikonia | ok, good luck | 10:24 |
| dimsim | q: will ndiswrapper and ndisutils ndisgtk be available in xubuntu for PPC? Im running an old ibook g3 600mhz and trying to hook up a wireless Linksys WUSB300N | 12:43 |
| homy | hi, I have a question: I'm running jaunty currently, but I can only access "low graphics mode" with a tiny resolution. I have nvidia geforce 7050. Jockey doesn't show me any drivers, installing the nvidia-glx-new or nvidia-glx-### doesn't work (either aptitude says No candidate version found or it wants to remove xorg). | 13:07 |
| homy | Any possibility of running in higher resolution/with compiz? | 13:07 |
| homy | well, I guess jaunty is still alpha, so I'll try again later. | 13:29 |
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| thesaltydog | few users from 8.04 are reporting that during a dist-upgrade they had a lot of Jaunty (9.04) packages installed! | 17:18 |
| skorasaurus | hi, how do I request a package to be upgraded on jaunty ? do I contact the maintainers ? (MOTU, in this case, on their mailing list ?) | 17:29 |
| Raspberry | anybody want to comment the sstate of today's daily iso build? | 20:14 |
| Raspberry | good ... bad... use alpha 2 instead? | 20:14 |
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| the_dark_warrio | where can I see the current features available in this alpha release? | 20:51 |
| CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/104999/ apt-get install nvidia-glx-96 The following packages will be REMOVED: xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core... xorg-everthing.... | 21:20 |
| CarlFK | so does that mean I will have no X? | 21:20 |
| TheInfinity | yep | 21:23 |
| TheInfinity | -> report it as bug. dependency problem ;) | 21:23 |
| dtchen | remember that the new X server abi (1.6) is incompatible with the current Nvidia drivers in the repo | 21:24 |
| dtchen | TheInfinity: it isn't a dependency problem/bug. it's correct. | 21:25 |
| CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/105002/ theres the result | 21:25 |
| TheInfinity | dtchen: hmm ok. :) | 21:25 |
| CarlFK | so I am guessing I should go back to ibex | 21:26 |
| TheInfinity | dtchen: so more a version problem of nvidia drivers. | 21:26 |
| TheInfinity | ok i dont have to use this drivers, didnt know | 21:27 |
| TheInfinity | CarlFK: jaunty is alpha. what do you expect? :) | 21:27 |
| jsnyder | re: conversation about nvidia-glx-96: why include those drivers at all to install if installing them breaks x? | 21:28 |
| jsnyder | that said.. "it's beta" is a perfectly valid response | 21:29 |
| dtchen | because there is no existing driver that IS compatible with the 1.6 abi yet? | 21:29 |
| dtchen | (obviously referring to fglrx & nvidia here) | 21:30 |
| dtchen | also, it's standard for things to break horribly for the first several alphas | 21:31 |
| jsnyder | right, but, it is broken, is the only point i'm making | 21:31 |
| TheInfinity | jsnyder: will be fixed when nvidia releases compatible drivers | 21:31 |
| jsnyder | the package description may be right, but the result of installing it is broken | 21:31 |
| jsnyder | right | 21:31 |
| dtchen | no, it works fine with the current fglrx & nvidia drivers if you pin to the previous versions of xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core, xserver-xorg-input-evdev | 21:32 |
| dtchen | i've been running that on my laptop for some time | 21:33 |
| jsnyder | right | 21:33 |
| dtchen | (sorry, typing on this g1 is pretty slow) | 21:33 |
| jsnyder | are those in the jaunty repo, or do you have to pin it from intrepid | 21:33 |
| dtchen | you have to pull from launchpad | 21:33 |
| dtchen | they were formerly in jaunty | 21:33 |
| jsnyder | ah, is there a ppa or something? | 21:33 |
| dtchen | no | 21:34 |
| dtchen | use the lp links for those versions | 21:34 |
| jsnyder | ah, ok | 21:34 |
| jsnyder | fair enough, and then just pin the versions | 21:34 |
| dtchen | 7.4~5ubuntu5, 1.5.3-1ubuntu1, 2.0.99+git20080912-0ubuntu6, respectively | 21:35 |
| jsnyder | i think i may just wait on intrepid until those releases happen | 21:35 |
| jsnyder | ok | 21:35 |
| dtchen | i also use 0.15.2-0ubuntu7 of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics | 21:36 |
| jsnyder | also, nvidia are just planning to update the mainline, most-modern drivers, I assume? not the old ones needed to support older hardware? | 21:36 |
| dtchen | likely, tho' i am no engineering manager at nvidiaq | 21:37 |
| CarlFK | how do I pin thing? | 21:40 |
| dtchen | see apt_preferences | 21:41 |
| jsnyder | it'd be nice in the mean time to provide deprecated packages for x, that could get installed alongside the nvidia drivers, but I suppose I understand not wanting to support 2 versions of X | 21:42 |
| jsnyder | i presume you just mean doing holds on packages? | 21:43 |
| dtchen | the release notes for the current alphas make a point to state not using on prod systems | 21:43 |
| dtchen | pins are not the same as holds | 21:43 |
| dtchen | the former is done solely through conffile, the latter, through an interactive session with apt/dpkg | 21:44 |
| jsnyder | right, I've done that previously when I've installed my own versions of netatalk with ssl enabled. | 21:45 |
| jsnyder | I see, in the man page for apt_preferences | 21:46 |
| jsnyder | thanks | 21:49 |
| CarlFK | dtchen: im ok with all this - it's a box hooked to my TV so I can watch crap. as long as it doesn't catch fire and burn my house down while I sleep... | 21:51 |
| dtchen | the gpl doesn't guarantee it won't... | 21:52 |
| CarlFK | so it's a good environment for testing and getting buggs flushed out | 21:52 |
| CarlFK | Ill put some 2 leeter bottles of soda on top of it. fire will cause the bottles to explode, and the resulting spray will put out the fire | 21:54 |
| CarlFK | or at lest the bang will wake me up | 21:54 |
| jsnyder | there you go | 21:55 |
| jsnyder | actually, with crt monitors it used to be possible to potentially blow out your monitor if you set things up incorrectly | 21:56 |
| jsnyder | http://www.daemonnews.org/199901/xpert.html | 21:56 |
| jsnyder | I think the X configurator used to carry some sort of warning a while ago to that effect... | 21:57 |
| CarlFK | I have another box that likes to reboot durring the boot process. ran memtest for 12 hours, no errors | 21:58 |
| CarlFK | tried some kernel noThisNthat, no help | 21:58 |
| CarlFK | what is the most 'safe' set of kernel params? | 21:58 |
| jsnyder | you might want to try disabling acpi | 21:59 |
| CarlFK | im sure I did :) | 21:59 |
| jsnyder | hrm.. | 21:59 |
| jsnyder | does it boot to single user? | 21:59 |
| CarlFK | nope | 21:59 |
| CarlFK | not sure it ever gets past mounting the root fs | 22:00 |
| CarlFK | it does get to that, becuase it just started doing fsck | 22:00 |
| jsnyder | so it blows up on fsck? | 22:00 |
| jsnyder | do live cds boot? | 22:00 |
| CarlFK | I looked away, I looked back a few min later, it was back to POST | 22:00 |
| jsnyder | hmm.. | 22:01 |
| CarlFK | juanty live cd also did the reboot loop | 22:01 |
| CarlFK | I have a 7.10 cd I should try | 22:01 |
| jsnyder | ok, so it's not the disk drive | 22:01 |
| jsnyder | yeah, i'd try a release version | 22:01 |
| CarlFK | fsck, got about 2 = up, rebooted. 7.10 cd was in, i picked safe graphics mode, the bouncy bar bounced back and forth maybe 2 times, reboot | 22:03 |
| jsnyder | so you tried acpi=off and noapic? | 22:04 |
| CarlFK | leme do that now... | 22:05 |
| jsnyder | I haven't had any boards with wonky acpi or apic recently, but those have helped in the past | 22:06 |
| jsnyder | sometimes bios updates have fixed issues like that too | 22:07 |
| jsnyder | I suppose the other standard procedure of pulling everything not necessary to boot whichever media you have the OS on applies as well. | 22:08 |
| CarlFK | trying ... acpi=off noapic | 22:21 |
| CarlFK | wholy crap - the 7.10 cd booted to a desktop | 22:21 |
| jsnyder | nice | 22:25 |
| CarlFK | crap - I should have done some lshw to get bios id stuff... | 22:26 |
| CarlFK | booted the jaunty alt installer with acpi=off noapic - thats working. | 22:27 |
| CarlFK | could just be that the box needed to warm up... | 22:27 |
| jsnyder | interesting | 22:27 |
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