[00:27] <manzur> hello
[00:27] <manzur> my name is abraham
[00:27] <manzur> happy new year
[00:27] <manzur> is some body in there
[00:27] <manzur> ?
[00:27] <manzur> in here
[00:27] <manzur> ?
[00:28] <manzur> i just woul like to know if you are going to use this icons as the default icons for ubuntu
[00:28] <manzur> ¿?
[00:28] <manzur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=pn_preview.png
[00:28] <manzur> ¿?
[00:29] <manzur> ubuntulog: are u there
[00:29] <manzur> ?
[00:34] <_MMA_> manzur: Please do not spam the channel with lots of "¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?" If someone is around, and can answer your question, they will. Just be patient.
[00:34] <manzur> _MMA_: how are u?
[00:35] <manzur> _MMA_: u are the one that is working on ubuntu art, don't you?
[00:35] <_MMA_> SOmewhat.
[00:36] <manzur> do u know what is going to be the new icon set for ubuntu?
[00:36] <_MMA_> But mostly Ubuntu Studio and projects *around* Ubuntu.
[00:36] <_MMA_> There is nothing officially planed.
[00:37] <manzur> you mean u are not thinking about it right now?
[00:37] <manzur> you mean there is not going to be a new icon set for ubuntu 9.04¿?
[00:37] <_MMA_> The latter.
[00:37] <manzur> what do you mean? 9.10¿?
[00:38] <_MMA_> There ate no *official* Ubuntu plans for a new icon set at all right now.
[00:38] <_MMA_> s/ate/are
[00:39] <manzur> so we are going to get the same icon set for ubuntu 9.04 final release
[00:39] <manzur> ¿?
[00:39] <_MMA_> There's no need for separate message for your punctuation. Please stop.
[00:40] <_MMA_> Same set for 9.04
[00:40] <manzur> ok
[00:40] <manzur> and for ubuntustudio¿?
[00:40] <_MMA_> No new set there either.
[00:41] <manzur> ok thanks, that was all i wanted to know
[00:41] <_MMA_> Plan is to derive from the Breathe set when ready.
[00:42] <manzur> _MMA_: so you mean that maybe breathe icon set is going to replace ubuntu icon set¿?
[00:43] <_MMA_> manzur: It is a community effort that hopes to provide a new default set for Ubuntu. But is no way official at this time.
[00:43] <manzur> ok
[00:44] <manzur> _MMA_: i love this icons set, just make the know: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Icons_-_Art_Team?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=pn_preview.png
[17:37] <dilomo> happy new year to all :)
[17:37] <thorwil> heh, happy new year dilomo
[17:38] <dilomo> thorwil: enjoied the holidays?
[17:39] <thorwil> dilomo: a bit, until i got hit with a cold
[17:39] <thorwil> dilomo: very exciting times, one moment i'm feeling hot, the next cold. have to practice breathing through one nostril only :)
[17:40] <thorwil> dilomo: i hope you have better luck?
[17:40] <dilomo> thorwil: sorry
[17:40] <dilomo> thorwil: a bit
[17:41] <dilomo> I was with my relatives most of tha time
[17:41] <dilomo> compared to having more fun with friend the last years
[17:42] <thorwil> oh yeah, relatives ... worse than friends but often still nice to have ;)
[17:42] <dilomo> :D
[17:43] <dilomo> btw do you think that decreasing the contrast of some controls will be good?
[17:43] <dilomo> thorwil: I mean new wave
[17:44] <thorwil> can't answer without seeing it
[17:46] <dilomo> sec
[17:48] <dilomo> piccdrop.com is not responding
[17:49] <thorwil> try xs.to  you just have to click around a bit to get a link to just the picture there
[17:52] <dilomo> still not working
[17:52] <dilomo> I'll use imagevenue
[17:55] <dilomo> thorwil: finally
[17:55] <dilomo> http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05245_Screenshot-The_Widget_Factory_122_1144lo.jpg
[17:56] <dilomo> see the textbox
[18:00] <thorwil> yes
[18:01] <dilomo> cool :)
[18:01] <dilomo> I'll start working in that direction
[18:01] <thorwil> heh, i only said yes as in i do see it ;p
[18:01] <dilomo> so ..
[18:02] <thorwil> so the old contrast can be seen on the combobox above it?
[18:02] <dilomo> correct
[18:02] <thorwil> new is fine
[18:03] <dilomo> thorwil: probably I should decreace it but with less
[18:03] <thorwil> dilomo: say, you didn't have talks with Troy about clunk vs subtlety and elegance? :)
[18:03] <dilomo> no but I had a talk wit Cimi
[18:03] <dilomo> he criticised me a lot :)
[18:04] <thorwil> i imagine he was very diplomatic about it ;>
[18:04] <dilomo> :D almost
[18:04] <dilomo> btw what do you think of this mockup:
[18:04] <dilomo>  http://msart2k.deviantart.com/art/preview21082008-95536060
[18:05] <thorwil> looks foggy
[18:06] <dilomo> but is interesting too see th idea behind
[18:07] <dilomo> everyting as one piece, not titlebar no steppers
[18:08] <thorwil> any every not-that-technical user will be lost
[18:09] <dilomo> thorwil: hmm I guess you are right
[18:17] <dilomo> thorwil: do you know a cool font for numbers
[18:18] <dilomo> I have to make chapter frontpages
[18:18] <dilomo> for one of my reports but don't know what to use
[18:18] <thorwil> dilomo: no, i would have to blindly go through my fonts, too
[18:32] <dilomo> thorwil: here's preview
[18:32]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:32] <dilomo> http://img43.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=07471_test_122_1131lo.jpg
[18:43] <dilomo> Cimi: hey
[18:44] <dilomo> Cimi: happy new year
[18:47] <dilomo> Cimi: what do you think? (see the new textbox)
[18:47] <dilomo>  http://msart2k.deviantart.com/art/preview21082008-95536060
[18:47] <dilomo> oops :  http://img160.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=05245_Screenshot-The_Widget_Factory_122_1144lo.jpg
[19:18] <Cimi> dilomo, first of all it's not bad :) few things:
[19:18] <Cimi> 1) GtkFrame
[19:18] <Cimi> 2) GtkNotebook
[19:19] <Cimi> and generally the theme feels too sharp
[19:19] <thorwil> dilomo: it's fine
[19:19] <dilomo> Cimi: did you see the textbox
[19:19] <dilomo> I have increased the brighness abit
[19:20] <dilomo> Cimi: about the tabs i listened to you
[19:20] <Cimi> but few are messed up
[19:20] <Cimi> just the normal tab is correct
[19:21] <Cimi> I mean
[19:21] <dilomo> yeah I know that the bottom tabs could nto be done
[19:21] <Cimi> the one with the tabs on the left/right
[19:21] <dilomo> perfectly
[19:21] <dilomo> and I haven't changed the side tabs
[19:21] <Cimi> oh ok
[19:21] <dilomo> because they are not used much in GNOME
[19:22] <Cimi> pidgin for example
[19:22] <dilomo> what about pidgin
[19:22] <Cimi> it can have vertical notebooks
[19:23] <dilomo> hmm it is possible
[19:36] <dilomo> I have to go
[19:36] <dilomo> bye
[20:14] <Cimi> kwwii, ping
[22:12] <kwwii> oops, too late
[22:14] <_MMA_> Hi Ken.
[22:14] <kwwii> _MMA_: hey Cory
[22:14]  * kwwii just made coconut cream pie
[22:15]  * _MMA_ wants one.
[22:15] <kwwii> by the time it got to you in the mail you might not want it anymore
[22:15] <_MMA_> :(
[22:17] <_MMA_> kwwii: You know any links off-hand about the font hinting issue in GNOME/KDE? I guess its the FreeType stuff?
[22:17] <kwwii> tomorrow is the last day off :-(
[22:17] <kwwii> _MMA_: nothing off the top of my head
[22:17] <_MMA_> I know Apple has obvious patents.
[22:17] <kwwii> it should not be hard to find though
[22:17] <_MMA_> Debian warns you when you enable full hinting.
[22:18] <kwwii> right
[22:18] <_MMA_> Im just trying to find out why its kinda over looked for now.
[22:18] <kwwii> iirc things changed recently which make it more open
[22:18] <kwwii> can't remember the details though
[22:19] <kwwii> good thing is, tuesday is a holiday here :-)
[22:19] <kwwii> so monday can't be that bad
[22:20] <_MMA_> Best I can find is this: http://freetype.sourceforge.net/patents.html Kinda seems like Apple just is over-looking it because it kinda benifits them in some way.
[22:20] <_MMA_> Sounds like fun. But, *If* I were working, I'd be tired of this time off. :P
[22:23] <kwwii> hehe, I am an old man
[22:23] <_MMA_> pfftt...
[22:24] <_MMA_> kwwii: Troy is working on some neat wallpaper ideas for Jaunty. Hopefully he will submit them.
[22:24] <kwwii> _MMA_: wow, that would be killer
[22:25] <_MMA_> Doin' some watercolor stuff then takin pics of it.
[22:25] <kwwii> sounds like fun
[23:16] <dashua> kwwii: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Human-Murrine?content=96337
[23:21] <_MMA_> dashua: You tinkering with Brethe there? :)
[23:21]  * _MMA_ needs to make some updates.
[23:22] <dashua> Of course.  It's awesome.
[23:23] <_MMA_> I got some more filetypes to add. And the folder is broken @ 32px and below.
[23:24] <dashua> Ah nice.  I kind of combined the missing files with Human otherwise the default gnome-icon-theme picked them up.
[23:26] <_MMA_> It should be set to inherit Human already.
[23:26] <_MMA_> Once I create the .deb Ill set it as a depend.
[23:27] <_MMA_> I think the index.theme needs a little love as well.
[23:27] <dashua> Nice.  I've been using it for a while.  It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
[23:27] <dashua> Awesome.
[23:28] <dashua> Much better than the Human set.
[23:29] <dashua> Works very well with Dust and Human.  Although, I'm in Dust 95 % of the time.
[23:29]  * dashua prefers darker themes
[23:29] <_MMA_> Thanx. Sebastian has been a strong influence. I'm mostly handling the technical side of things. Some design guidelines.
[23:29] <_MMA_> Yeah. Looks nice with Dust.
[23:30] <dashua> The folder and trash icons alone are what attracted me to the set.
[23:31] <dashua> I don't think I've seen a better trash icon actually.
[23:31] <_MMA_> There's still alot of work to do. We'll get there. I think we'll have a Jaunty package. Defiantly +1.
[23:32] <dashua> I can't wait.  Until then, I'll steal and test from bazaar ;)
[23:32] <_MMA_> Cool! :) Glad to know *someone* is looking.
[23:33] <dashua> Definitely.
[23:35] <_MMA_> dashua: I still gotta edit the script to output the preview images as well. The holidays have slowed things to a crawl. Ill get to it next week or so.
[23:36] <dashua> Cool.  Is Breathe going to be included as an alternate icon set in Jaunty?
[23:37] <_MMA_> That will come down to space. I'm fairly confidant it could be an alt. Space-permitting.
[23:38] <dashua> It would be great to replace some of those otherwise defunct sets that are included.
[23:38]  * _MMA_ fingers crossed.
[23:38] <dashua> I guess it will fall into the same category as getting the older themes out as well.
[23:39]  * dashua too
[23:39] <_MMA_> I won't push for that 'till +1.
[23:52] <kwwii> dashua: wow, nifty
[23:52] <kwwii> sorry, been watching a movie
[23:53] <kwwii> dashua: I am guessing there will be more info as to the planned gtk theme for jaunty and beyond soon
[23:54] <kwwii> I imagine that using your stuff to make murrine more human might be interesting
[23:54] <kwwii> I haven't looked into the details yet though
[23:54] <dashua> Awesome.  I can live with Dust and Human until then.
[23:55] <dashua> Cimi is doing some awesome work lately with the engine.
[23:56] <kwwii> dashua: it seems you are interested, I'll be in touch sometime soon, hopefully, and we can discuss certain plans
[23:57] <kwwii> dashua: at this point in time we are still restructuring the team so I am not sure exactly how things will proceed after the holidays
[23:57] <dashua> kwwii: Awesome.  I'd be more than happy to help out.
[23:57] <kwwii> but I should know pretty quickly, within a week or so I guess
[23:58] <kwwii> dashua: do I have your email address?
[23:58] <kwwii> I think you have posted to the list before, so I should be able to find it
[23:59] <kwwii> hrm, no
[23:59] <dashua> I have.  I'm also in Launchpad under the same name.
[23:59] <kwwii> cool, I can find it there then
[23:59] <kwwii> I promise i will be int ouch
[23:59] <kwwii> in touch
[23:59] <dashua> https://launchpad.net/~jws141-yahoo