[00:19] <Mez> stgraber: pastebinit ?
[00:20] <Mez> stgraber: 0.11 is in experimental :D
[00:21] <Mez> stgraber: cant you add paste.debian.net and german translation to upstream?
[00:21] <Mez> make the DD's life easier :D
[00:25] <fta> Mez, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pastebinit-developers/pastebinit/trunk/revision/52
[00:25] <fta> Mez, well, it's just the example, not the default.
[00:26] <Mez> is that in 0.11 ?
[00:27] <fta> Mez, if i read correctly, 0.11 is bzr rev 59 so yes
[00:27] <Mez> weirdness for the changelog then
[00:28] <fta> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pastebinit-developers/pastebinit/trunk/changes
[00:28] <Mez> ah, in the changelog to close the bug
[00:29] <Mez> changelog made it look as if it was a debian change
[00:29] <fta> and german po: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pastebinit-developers/pastebinit/trunk/changes?start_revid=47&filter_file_id=de.po-20080810155459-jcjal0uxl8jlqyqk-1
[00:31] <fta> stgraber, something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/98646/
[00:39] <stgraber> fta: looks good, I'll just need to check what happens when reading some weird content from stdin, we had something like what you did in you diff but failed when for example reading from bzr diff ...
[00:42] <fta> stgraber, yep, when the command takes too long.. i know. but i don't see the difference with my patch and "-i -", both should react in the same way
[00:43] <fta> stgraber, indeed.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/98651/
[00:43] <stgraber> fta: Nope, I guess the issue was that previously I was trying to detect if I was receiving something on stdin and if not show the usage
[00:43] <stgraber> if you just always read stdin, it should be fine
[00:44] <fta> apparently not
[00:45] <stgraber> stgraber@sahal:~/pastebinit$ bzr diff | pastebinit -
[00:45] <stgraber> KeyboardInterrupt caught.
[00:45] <stgraber> that was the problem with 0.10
[00:45] <stgraber> with your change it seems to work fine here (using pastebin.com)
[00:50] <Laney> does the patch remove the need for the -?
[00:50] <stgraber> yes
[00:51] <Laney> :D
[00:51] <stgraber> with fta's patch you can just: something | pastebinit
[00:51] <Laney> win^win
[00:51] <stgraber> thought when starting pastebinit without piping something it won't give you the usage
[00:52] <fta> that's why i introduced -h
[00:52] <Laney> well that's what e.g. cat does
[00:52] <Laney> so it's not that alien imo
[00:52] <stgraber> right
[00:53] <fta> but bzr diff seems to fail the sys.stdin.read() :(
[00:53] <stgraber> fta: when it does it should give youu a KeyboardInterrupt
[00:54] <stgraber> fta: if it doesn't and just give you a wrong url, it's probably because bzr diff just returns nothing
[00:54] <stgraber> (I should check the content from stdin and not let the user send nothing)
[00:55] <fta> ix:~/bzr/firefox-3.2.head$ bzr diff -r 386 | pastebinit
[00:55] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/98664/
[00:56] <fta> right :)
[00:57] <stgraber> stgraber@sahal:~/pastebinit$ bzr diff pastebinit.xml | ./pastebinit
[00:57] <stgraber> Didn't receive anything from stdin, exitting.
[00:57] <fta> good
[00:58] <stgraber> well, I should just check every input actually as the same would happen with an empty file
[01:02] <stgraber> new code pushed
[01:05] <fta> stgraber, excellent! you should really bzr whoami yourself on sahal :)
[01:08] <stgraber> fta: argh, I thought I had :)
[01:09] <stgraber> it's my eee, I don't usually work on it ...
[01:09] <stgraber> fixed (for next time ...(
[03:34] <mikestaszel> hey, quick, n00b question - what is run when ubuntu's firefox installs the flashplayer plugin, or totem installs gstreamer - is that a synaptic starting?
[05:18] <The_Kid123> Hello All
[05:27] <The_Kid123> Well, for the log bots, I'm looking to somehow get involved in helping with Ubuntu development. I've used ubuntu heavily since 7.10, but I intermittently used snce 6.06. I don't really know where specificly I'd like to help, but I'm interested in OS components from the command-line down, be it init scripting, installers, or wherever I could be of help. I'm willing to learn what I don't yet know. I'll start being on here more, so hopefully the appropr
[05:29] <ScottK> The_Kid123: #ubuntu-motu is a better channel for just getting started in development.
[05:30] <The_Kid123> ok, thanks much... think anyone will be on @ this hour?
[05:32] <ScottK> Maybe a few.
[05:38] <The_Kid123> alright, peace to all
[10:47] <shankhs> hi
[11:28] <Yoe> ogra: you may want to have a look at the diff for nbd_1:2.9.11-2
[11:28] <Yoe> ogra: especially the third bullet point in the changelog
[11:28] <Yoe> ogra: since I understand that ubuntu has no /lib/init/rw, and that sendsigs does things differently there
[11:29] <Yoe> ogra: I couldn't exactly test that, though, having no ubuntu and all; but if you send me a patch that doesn't break my version, I'll take that into Debian
[11:30] <ogra> Yoe, thanks for the info, i'll take a look next week (still on vacation atm :) ) ... happy new year btw
[11:31] <Yoe> ogra: you too :-)
[11:32] <Yoe> ogra: and you're welcome
[11:32] <ogra> :)
[11:33] <seria-mau> hi
[11:34] <seria-mau> i heard that the ifup/ifdown framework will be discarded in jaunty jackalope and networkmanager used instead. is this true?
[11:35] <directhex> seria-mau, n-m has been the default for years
[11:35] <seria-mau> not on my system
[11:36] <directhex> then you've been doing nonstandard things.
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i thought that jaunty was supposed to take things in /etc/network/interfaces, and use them properly, thus ifup/ifdown would be deprecated (or hidden away)
[11:39] <seria-mau> well. if ifup/ifdown leaves ubuntu, i will leave, too. sadly. i like it. and i dont think n-m is ready, yet.
[11:39] <seria-mau> (no offense itended)
[11:42] <Chipzz> directhex: you were not answering his question though
[11:43] <Chipzz> directhex: he did not ask wether NM was the default; that's totally irrelevant
[11:43] <Chipzz> he DID ask wether the OTHER option would be discarded
[11:43] <Mithrandir> I'd be quite surprised if NM became mandatory for servers and such
[11:44] <Chipzz> y
[11:44] <directhex> is there actually a command-line nm yet? nm-tool is report-only in intrepid
[11:44] <Chipzz> if it ever does I'll immediately wipe ubuntu from every single one of my boxes it's installed on
[11:44] <Mithrandir> directhex: dbus-send? :-)
[11:44] <directhex> Mithrandir, don't make me stab you
[11:45] <directhex> Mithrandir, technically though, some bash scripting around dbus-send could replace ifup/down ;)
[11:45]  * Chipzz considers NM broken by design
[11:45]  * Chipzz takes out his shotgun and shoots directhex :P
[11:45]  * directhex considers nm a farking necessity on a laptop
[11:46] <Mithrandir> I started writing a blog post about what a proper network configuration tool should handle.
[11:46] <Chipzz> directhex: there are other ways of achieving the same
[11:46] <Mithrandir> working as a consulant where you have to set up static routes, tunnels and such to reach into other systems have shown me that NM really doesn't handle my needs, but then, nothing else does either.
[11:46] <Chipzz> directhex: even without installing any additional software except ifup and wpa-supplicant
[11:47] <Chipzz> directhex: have you read all the docs that ship with the wpa-supplicant package?
[11:47] <directhex> "just edit this conf file" is never, never ever ever, a solution for anything on a desktop system. it's a cheap hack
[11:48] <Chipzz> and having a *user*-program handle a *system* property is broken by design, period
[11:48] <directhex> Chipzz, ever heard of FUSE?
[11:48] <Chipzz> yes, and I also consider that broken
[11:49] <Chipzz> it has its uses, but gets abused to work around a lot of crap, instead of fixing that crap properly
[11:49] <seria-mau> to be fair, i use n-m on laptops, too. but on my workstation here i have 3 net interfaces: one which receives dhcp from a cable modem and the other two handing out dhcp with the use of dnsmasq to guests etc.pp.
[11:50] <seria-mau> i really dont know how to do this with n-m
[11:52] <Mithrandir> Chipzz: user, as in nm-applet or NM itself?
[11:52] <Chipzz> nm-applet
[11:53]  * directhex demands cdrecord only run as root, just as god^Wschilly^Wgod intended
[11:53] <Chipzz> what I meant is basically that you control a system property (something that is inherent to the system, and can affect not just you, but other people too on a multi-user system) via a user
[11:55] <Mithrandir> there's no principal difference between having it as an applet and having the ability to edit a config file.
[11:56] <Chipzz> imo the difference is the approach of changing things
[11:56] <Mithrandir> I disagree, it's just a different UI
[11:58] <Chipzz> there are a lot of other tools which you can manage config files too; they require the proper privileges though, like going through sudo; ie basically changing to root
[11:58] <ogra> NM uses polkit .... which is the sudo of the future :P
[11:59] <Mithrandir> well, we're moving towards a more fine-grained security model where you can actually give somebody the ability to, say, add users, set the system clock or similar tasks without giving them complete control of the system.
[12:00]  * Chipzz notes that this is much like how things tend to get done on other *NIX'y systems
[12:01] <Chipzz> errr
[12:01] <Chipzz> +not
[12:01] <directhex> other NIXes don't have fine-grained ACLs for things?
[12:02] <Chipzz> they do; but don't require you to have several daemons running to do so
[12:03] <ogra> they also have the beauty of CDE
[12:03] <Chipzz> ogra: most CDE shipping UNIX'es have switched to GNOME instead ;)
[12:04] <ogra> so they will start using polkit at some point ... since the apps demand it
[12:04] <Chipzz> solaris for example also ships gnome; HPUX iirc was also doing that I recall hearing several years ago
[12:06] <Chipzz> ogra: I disagree; if they don't like policykit, they'll just not ship those apps
[12:07] <ogra> hard to do ...
[12:07] <Chipzz> I may be mistaken on this one, but iirc solaris in fact does that
[12:08] <Chipzz> some things are managed through their java apps
[12:08] <ogra> the gnome clock applet massively uses time-admin from gnome-system-tools for example ... time-admin relies fully on polkit ... you add a massive maintenance overhead fi you replace such stuff
[12:09] <ogra> indeed nobody keeps you from patching the defaults ... but the more apps rely on poltik functionallity the harder that gets ... and in the end you end up with a completely forked desktop
[12:10] <ogra> same goes for NM ... apps start to rely on the fact to have its dbus interface available to query the online status
[12:48] <maxb> I want to start a discussion on how usb-creator should react to usb sticks without a partition table. Where should I do it? In a launchpad bug? on ubuntu-devel(-discuss)@ ?
[12:57] <amjed> hello
[12:57] <amjed> guys girl
[12:57] <amjed> help me
[14:57] <yao_ziyuan> it seems startup items management becomes a mess if both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop are installed.
[14:57] <yao_ziyuan> for example, if you enable chinese input methods in ubuntu and then in kubuntu,
[14:58] <yao_ziyuan> then when you enter kubuntu, you will find there are two 'scim-launcher's in the task manager.
[14:58] <yao_ziyuan> if you disable input methods in either ubuntu or kubuntu, there will remain one 'scim-launcher'.
[14:58] <yao_ziyuan> also, things like network-manager-gnome, network-manager-kde
[14:59] <yao_ziyuan> i suspect many services/programs are started twice
[15:48] <imachine> tseliot, hey
[15:48] <imachine> tseliot, any improvements on the new nvidia drivers for 8.10 ?
[15:48] <imachine> are they getting ported soon?
[15:48] <imachine> the title-bar mess-up is really annoying ;)
[15:48] <str33tcat> you can try the lastest beta version of nvidia driver
[15:49] <imachine> yeah, but I wan't a .deb file.
[15:49] <imachine> ubuntu-style.
[15:49] <imachine> I've seen some work done on it by tseliot .
[15:49] <str33tcat> learn to do some hard word
[15:49] <imachine> and it seemed nice.
[15:49] <str33tcat> work
[15:50] <imachine>  bzr branch lp:~albertomilone/nvidia-drivers-ubuntu/180-intrepid <- I've done this.
[15:50] <imachine> but I don't know how to build it ;]
[15:50] <imachine> I've asked tseliot a while ago, but he said it wasn't finished.
[15:51] <imachine> that's why I'm asking now, maybe he sorted it out :-)
[15:51] <tseliot> imachine: I'm working on a different project right now but I'll update the packages as soon as I'm done with this project
[15:52] <imachine> tseliot, great news. can't wait ! :-)
[15:52] <imachine> cheers
[18:43] <TomaszD> asac, hey, sorry to bother you, could you please build networkmanager final in the network-manager PPA for Hardy as well? There's only an SVN snapshot available :(
[18:46] <asac> TomaszD: soon ... i need hardy PPA to get more testing the the next intrepid-proposed upload ... but once thats in i will bump that too
[18:48] <TomaszD> more testing of what asac ? of the SVN snapshot? I don't understand.
[18:49] <asac> TomaszD: of the next intrepid-proposed upload, yes.
[18:49] <asac> just stay tuned ;) ... will happen soonish. there are just two important bugs i want to get fixed before moving to final everywhere
[18:49] <TomaszD> asac, so intrepid-proposed got the SVN snapshot? Why not test the stable, final version ?
[18:50] <TomaszD> alright, thanks :]
[18:50] <asac> TomaszD: its not possible
[18:50] <asac> to put stable into intrepid because it breaks ABI/API
[18:50] <TomaszD> oh
[18:50] <asac> so we have to fix a few more things in -updates by backporting patches
[18:50] <asac> and then provide final in -backports
[18:50] <TomaszD> ok
[18:50] <TomaszD> that makes sense.
[18:50] <asac> sorry for the delay though
[18:51] <asac> PPA will get latest asap
[18:52] <TomaszD> I've been doing quite popular remasters of both 8.04 and 8.10 for the Polish community and one of the nm snapshots behaved weirdly during installation, it connected and reconnected several times
[18:52] <TomaszD> without actually breaking anything, but that looked worrying
[18:52] <TomaszD> *during ubuntu installation
[18:55] <asac> TomaszD: there are not many changes that bring more stability ... except for some wpa variants
[18:56] <asac> TomaszD: what net/chipset was that?
[18:56] <TomaszD> asac, it's fine, I just don't want to scare users who actually use 8.04 (stability) to use "unstable" software (svn snapshots)
[18:56] <TomaszD> asac, that was VirtualBox
[18:56] <asac> TomaszD: ah ... well. it more or less matches what we ship in intrepid ;)
[18:57] <asac> so its a vedded snapshot (though not perfect. but even final isnt perfect)
[18:57] <ebroder> If I'm filing a sync request now, am I expected to justify it past what's in the changelog? (The changelog makes it fairly clear why the sync is important)
[18:57] <TomaszD> I'm currently running a test install and it does that weird reconnect dance
[18:57] <asac> TomaszD: do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces?`
[18:58] <asac> TomaszD: otherwise paste your complete syslog somewhere
[18:59] <TomaszD> standard stuff, auto lo and the loopback device
[18:59] <asac> k
[18:59] <asac> TomaszD: please paste your syslog after reproducing then
[18:59] <TomaszD> hmm it seems as though it only reconnected once, it settled down now, I called it too early
[19:02] <TomaszD> asac, ok reconnected again when trying to reach ntp, will try to get the syslog, but it's a corner case
[19:03] <TomaszD> how many people remaster 8.04 and add nm 0.7 to it?
[19:03] <pochu> hello asac. so you don't have any plans for hardy-proposed/updates as of now, do you?
[19:03] <pochu> (others than try to move the package in -proposed to -updates :)
[19:04] <asac> pochu: no ... i am talking about intrepid right now
[19:04] <asac> pochu: intrepid will get one more -updates/-proposed round (should be in sync right now)
[19:05] <pochu> asac: cool, thanks
[19:05] <asac> there is an update in -proposed for hardy, yes. i want to get that in. but thats not really what this was about
[19:06] <pochu> asac: sure, it was an unrelated question to your conversation with TomaszD :)
[19:06] <pochu> I was interested on hardy's state
[19:06] <asac> asked another time in bug 203016 whether someone can at least verify that its fixed now ;)
[19:07] <TomaszD> asac, http://pastebin.com/m36ef1770
[19:07] <asac> pochu: yeah. so hardy will stay the same ... ~network-manager PPA will eventually move to final 0.7
[19:07] <asac> for hardy that is
[19:09] <pochu> as long as it's not the official archive, I'll sleep like a log ;)
[19:10] <asac> TomaszD: strange ... your system seems to time-warp?
[19:10] <asac> 20:02:31
[19:10] <TomaszD> asac, yes I've noticed
[19:10] <asac> next line
[19:10] <asac> 19:02:35
[19:10] <TomaszD> oh that
[19:10] <TomaszD> that's just ntp
[19:11] <TomaszD> RTC time versus GMT+1
[19:11] <TomaszD> I think...
[19:12] <asac> TomaszD: does that reconnecting settle at some point or continues forever?`
[19:12] <TomaszD> no it just happens during installation of ubuntu
[19:13] <TomaszD> happened two times this time
[19:13] <TomaszD> or maybe three, I didn't have the vbox window open all the time
[19:14] <TomaszD> otherwise, during normal operation, it's stable
[19:15] <TomaszD> this never happens with intrepid btw
[19:16] <asac> TomaszD: ok. so this i hardy with the PPA NM?
[19:16] <TomaszD> indeed.
[19:17] <TomaszD> that's why I was asking if you could build the stable version and maybe this behaviour would go away
[19:17] <TomaszD> but it's nothing to worry about I guess
[19:19] <asac> TomaszD: really unlikely that it goes away with stable version. wouldnt know why
[19:19] <TomaszD> ok
[20:14] <svu> I just uploaded smth to my ppa - why don't I see it on the web interface?
[20:36] <Adri2000> svu: off-topic. you want #launchpad instead
[21:02] <kagou> is it possible to have a persistent partition (ubuntu on usb stick) using fat32 ?
[21:33] <PovAddict> when I report a bug through apport, why is the bug marked as "This bug doesn't affect me" by default?
[21:33] <PovAddict> of course it affects me! :P
[21:35] <svu> Adri2000: thanks!
[21:35] <svu> (and already resolved)
[21:53] <beuno> PovAddict, it's a bug in Launchpad
[21:53] <beuno> it will be fixed soon-ish
[21:54] <LuXor> hey can someone help?
[21:55] <PovAddict> Just Ask Your Questin
[21:56] <maxb> LuXor: The first rule of getting help on IRC is to be as specific as possible
[22:11] <LaserJock> uh ... wow
[22:16]  * thom wonders idly what brought that on
[22:16] <Nafallo> thekorn: +t until it passes? :-)
[22:17] <Nafallo> s/thekorn/thom/
[22:17] <thom> if it happens again, yeh
[22:17] <Mithrandir> banning cpe-76-87-77-169.socal.res.rr.com might be a good idea too.
[22:45] <Adri2000> hmm
[22:46] <PovAddict> thom
[22:46] <PovAddict> +t
[22:46] <Adri2000> and ban the whole host
[22:46] <PovAddict> he used a completely different host this time
[22:47] <Adri2000> ah, right
[22:47] <Adri2000> ...
[22:47] <PovAddict> here we go again
[22:47] <Adri2000> !ops
[22:47] <PovAddict> "fuck +t get with the program!" means he's here right now, his evil nicknames weren't here when we mentioned +t
[23:31] <thom> sheesh
[23:32] <emgent> O_o
[23:32] <emgent> thom: ?
[23:33] <thom> topic inanity previously