nhandlerRiddell: Thanks a lot for setting it up. And thanks ScottK for the congrats00:20
apacheloggerRiddell: please take a look at bug 31359900:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 313599 in kaffeine "libdvdcss-i386.deb not found on kubuntu website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31359900:51
=== freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying
* ScottK just read the irclog of today's meeting.03:52
nhandlerScottK: You could have just waited a few more hours. Last I hear, nixternal was working on writing up the minutes03:53
ScottKI read quickly, so it doesn't matter much.03:53
Tm_Tbah, I missed the meeting, I notice03:53
ScottKJust as well I wasn't there for the discussions about the "Desktop Experience" team and notifications.03:54
ScottKI'd have ended up being accused of being too negative again.03:54
ScottKIMO if they don't have time to 'fix' notifications in KDE, it's a win for us.03:55
Tm_TScottK: indeed03:58
Tm_Tapachelogger: hi son10:09
mcasadevallwow ...10:12
* mcasadevall a DD ...10:12
=== mcasadevall is now known as NCommander
ArbyNCommander: Debian Developer?10:21
NCommanderJust got the "Account Created" email10:22
Arbywow, congratulations :)10:22
NCommanderAmazing I lived this long10:22
* jussi01 huggle NCommander11:30
NCommanderwhat did I do?11:30
jussi01NCommander: Ive just woken up and you rather eloquently handled that guy in #kubuntu11:30
apacheloggerNightrose: you better check the amarok packagers list12:01
apacheloggerTm_T: hi mom12:02
apacheloggerTm_T: how is qt 4.5 coming along?12:02
Nightroseapachelogger: thanks - checking now - i got back last night and only now trying to catch up12:22
apachelogger!leaving == !catching_up :P12:22
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:22
apacheloggerpoor bot12:23
Nightroseapachelogger: :P   tell that to my family *g*12:24
apacheloggerNightrose: also... where are our mobile devices? :P12:25
Nightrosethat is #1056 on my todo list12:25
* apachelogger thinks we need a new Nightrose because the current one is too busy12:25
* Hobbsee clones Nightrose, but ends up with a very dark night, and a large rose.12:33
* Nightrose kills her clone12:33
Nightrosethere can only be one true Nightrose12:33
apacheloggerHobbsee: sounds like a bug12:34
apacheloggerNightrose: that sounds also like a bug12:34
Nightrosei am a singleton! that is a feature12:35
Nightrosenot a bug12:35
apacheloggernot so sure about that12:35
Tm_Tapachelogger: not well, mind to take a look at it?12:36
apacheloggerTm_T: please upload somewhere12:36
Tm_Tapachelogger: .dsc or something else too?12:38
apacheloggerdsc and diff at least12:40
* apachelogger talkes the dog for a walk12:41
* Tm_T finds this bit disturbing12:42
Tm_TI'm starting to think that my system isn't done for packaging, really12:42
Tm_Tapachelogger: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/qt4-x11_4.5.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc12:46
Tm_Tapachelogger: dunno why .diff isn't produced12:46
Tm_Tapachelogger: but there's tar.gz of sources going anyway now12:47
Nightroseapachelogger: see query when you are back12:47
RiddellTm_T: it means you named the .orig.tar.gz wrongly12:47
* Tm_T hates this system12:47
Riddellwhat did you name it?12:48
Tm_TRiddell: ummm, right, it doesn't have ~beta1 part, qt4-x11_4.5.0.orig.tar.gz12:48
Tm_Tbah and bah again ):12:49
Tm_Tpbuilder fails miserably here, I have 3 broken Qt:s in use here12:49
Tm_Tfor starters =)12:49
Tm_Tand just to compile Qt takes easily 8 hours here, I notice12:50
Tm_Tit's more than KDE as whole + some extragear12:50
RiddellI did say it was a beast13:01
Tm_TRiddell: I know (:13:21
Tm_Tand this is kinda educating (:)13:21
* Tm_T remembers the time when he/she/it used to build qt-copy way too often13:26
seelebesides quassel and kpackagekit, was there anything else that needed reviewed?  i'm not going to bother with kvirc because it looks like the quassel developers are pretty dedicated14:13
apacheloggerdon't think so14:17
apacheloggerOo on a fresh jaunty installation openoffice.org-core is the biggest package -.-14:18
apacheloggerkde rev 90551215:19
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=905512&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 905512 | Read path to cube cap image from kwinrc. This is needed for an easy branding by distros.15:19
Riddellryanakca: ping, do you know the licence on the kubuntu website design?15:34
Arbyapachelogger: shiny :)15:50
* Arby returns to wrestling with python thread locking15:52
ryanakcaRiddell: to my knowledge, all of Matt's stuff is PD... I can check again. The rounding script is under an MIT license. I haven't really thought of what license my work is under, I should probably release it under the PD to make everybody's life easier...15:59
ryanakcaRiddell: the wiki theme that I'm working on is GPL16:00
ryanakcaRiddell: For the wiki, I asked around a few days ago if people would rather have links (like kubuntu.org, top right) and a search box, or just a search box like on help.u.c/community/ , and the reply was just a search box. Is that good, or would you like me to go for links and search box?16:02
Riddelljust a search box is fine, although a link to kubuntu.org somewhere would make sense16:03
Riddelljussi01: hmm, I can't work out if uni_ on #kubuntu is being deliberately unhelpful16:09
jussi01Riddell: the lack of tab completion suggests to me that he is unfamiliar with irc16:10
jussi01possibly a language issue also16:10
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ArbyJontheEchidna: did you ever find what was causing python to crash in jockey-kcm?16:36
Arbyand did the crash look anything like this16:36
Sputseele, you'll like this:16:37
Sput<CIA-27> Quassel IRC: The Monolithic build behaves now like a regular IRC client.16:37
Sput<CIA-27> Quassel IRC: This is to make Quassel suitable for Kubuntu.16:37
seeleSput: yay~!16:37
JontheEchidnaArby: for me it crashes right before waitwindow is shown, but I'm not sure that showing the window is causing the crash...16:38
JontheEchidnaI marked where it crashes for me with a comment and committed it to bzr16:38
JontheEchidnaand yes, that's what the crash looks like :P16:38
ArbyJontheEchidna: yes, I know what causes the issue at waitwindow16:38
Arbyjust not how to fix it16:39
JontheEchidnaoh, cool. what's the cause?16:39
Arbyit's a problem with class inheritance16:39
ArbyNewPrinterGUI inherits from kcm-scpk.GUI16:39
Arbyit needs to inherit from .PyKcm _ I think16:40
ArbyThe crash that kills kcmshell seems to be to do with funky thread handling16:40
JontheEchidnayeah, same with jockey...16:40
ArbyI've figured out where it occurs in the python code16:40
Arbybut that's about i16:41
ArbyI was hoping you might have a solution16:41
ArbyI'm somewhat out of my depth now16:41
JontheEchidnainheritance and visibilities are somewhat my weaknesses too, unfortunately16:41
ArbyI _think_ it's that a new thread is created then exits with some kind of non-NULL state16:42
Arbybut I've no idea how to make it exit in a way that makes kcmshell happy16:42
JontheEchidnaif GUI() and PyKcm were somehow merged....16:43
JontheEchidnamabye that would help16:43
ArbyI did look at that, it would be pretty hard16:43
Arby(for me at least)16:43
JontheEchidnayeah, unforunately I can't even do that with jockey due to its gui backend system...16:44
JontheEchidnait requires a ui to be created as a subclass of an AbstractUI class16:44
JontheEchidnaand I can't make it both a subclass of KCModule and AbstractUI, so I have to do that makeui() business16:44
Arbyat least that seems to work16:45
ArbyI thought that was quite neat :)16:45
JontheEchidnaaside from crashes :P (don't know if the crashes are related to the makeui method)16:45
JontheEchidnabut other than that I was sorta proud for figuring that out16:45
JontheEchidnaI'm just waiting for an experience pythonista to look at my code and faint16:46
Arbyshow them mine and it'll kill them off16:47
Arbythe GUI code and the underlying bindings to cups are all kind of mixed in together16:47
apacheloggeryou funny python people :P16:48
Arbybut I'm too wary of changing the cups stuff because I don't understand it well enough16:48
Arbyif you wish to reimplement scpk and jockey in ruby feel free :)16:48
JontheEchidnaI've asked some of the jockey dudes for assistance. After Alberto Milone finishes some of his other projects he's offered to take a look at my code16:48
JontheEchidnathere might be hope yet! (tm)16:49
apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: I think we can gain quite some space through amarok 2 ... it doesn't ship docs yet and doesn't depend on python/ruby anymore16:49
apacheloggershould give us ~20-30 MiB I guess16:49
apacheloggeropinions aboug bug 262924 please16:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262924 in kubuntu-default-settings "[kubuntu] shared folder" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26292416:51
JontheEchidnawould koffice vs openoffice save space?16:51
JontheEchidnaand would koffice be a viable alternative by jaunty?16:51
* apachelogger finds that a pretty workaroundish solution due to our lack of easy sharing capabilities16:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: it's not even out of beta yet16:51
apacheloggerthat said... very unlikely16:51
JontheEchidnaI have a feeling we'll be stuck with that ugly behemoth for a while :(16:52
apacheloggereven if it was "stable" by feature freeze we probably still wouldn't want it16:52
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, since ooo is dying (again) there is hope yet! (tm) :P16:52
JontheEchidnaoh, it's dying?16:53
apacheloggeryes, only <30 devs16:53
seeleit's such a mess, no wonder16:53
seelealthough at the same time that is surprising since ooo is up there with firefox as "open source software normal people would know of"16:54
ArbyI saw a big discussion on one of the mailing  lists proposing that ubuntu adopt some ooo fork16:54
apachelogger+ IIRC every dev has to agree that sun gains copyright on their code16:54
JontheEchidnaI'd suggest they jump over to koffice, but they'd convolute that up into as big of a mess as ooo16:54
Arbygo-ooo or something16:54
* apachelogger would like some office suite that doesn't bind to either gtk or qt :S16:54
* Sput suggest writing wxOffice16:55
* apachelogger pukes16:55
* JontheEchidna gouges eyes out16:55
* Sput doesn't clean up16:55
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* jussi01 wants koffice that doesnt crash and is properly compatible with MS formats...16:57
movedloggerscrew ms formats16:57
movedloggerthey get replaced by ODF anyways16:57
movedloggerJontheEchidna: bug 21538316:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 215383 in kubuntu-default-settings "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21538316:58
movedloggerwhere to move it to?16:58
jussi01movedlogger: unfortunately I have to deal with people who dont feel that way.16:58
* JontheEchidna pointy-clicks16:58
Arbyjussi01 +1 :)16:58
movedloggerhm jussi01 and Arby are dealers16:59
movedloggeroh dear16:59
Arbydealers ?16:59
jussi01can one of you german speakers check this over for me?16:59
jussi01In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.16:59
* movedlogger finds the last sentence17:00
movedloggerje4d: looking good17:00
stdincompare to:17:01
ubottuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de17:01
movedloggerjussi01 even17:01
movedloggerje4d: you are looking good though, I am sure17:01
movedloggerstdin: who came up with that? :P17:01
jussi01movedlogger: thanks17:01
JontheEchidnamovedlogger: maybe we could put an icon plasmoid on the desktop linking to the "About kubuntu" thingy in khelpcenter?17:01
ubottude aliases: deutsch, german, germany - added by Seveas on 2006-07-30 14:17:47 - last edited by Pici on 2008-12-18 15:53:3917:01
movedloggeroh dear17:02
movedloggerJontheEchidna: waste of space17:02
stdinit was probably a bablefish translation to begin with17:02
movedloggerJontheEchidna: I would think: context menu of panel (which is kinda unrelated to about kubuntu) OR help -> about kubuntu (which might be confusing for ubuntu us0rs using KDE apps) OR a menu entry (which might be not visible enough)17:03
movedloggerstdin: sounds like one anyway ;-)17:03
JontheEchidnamaybe clever hax in kde4libs to display the kubuntu version in about kde?17:04
movedloggerwe can do that using a cmake var for the kde version17:04
movedloggerbut that doesn't really address the issue completely17:04
seelewhat is replacing k3b in jaunty?17:04
movedloggerif you look for information about kubuntu you look for kubuntu, not kde17:04
movedloggerseele: we don't know17:04
movedloggerseele: no one tested k3b trunk for real yet17:05
movedloggerapparently it looks decent but no one knows if it actually burns17:05
SputI've heard reports of k3b working fine for people17:05
Sputno first-hand experience though17:05
* movedlogger thinks jussi01 would want to test it17:06
Tm_Twajig <317:06
Tm_Tno, I'm not random (;17:06
movedloggerJontheEchidna: how about that: we change About KDE to About Kubuntu and haxx0r the dialog to present KDE as part of the Kubuntu information?17:07
je4dmovedlogger: cheers ;)17:07
jussi01movedlogger: hrm, could be fun... linky to a repo/tarball?17:07
JontheEchidnasounds like a plan, I'd suggest moving it to kde4libs in that case17:07
movedloggerjussi01: extragear/multimedia/k3b17:08
movedloggerJontheEchidna: aye17:08
JontheEchidnabtw, impressive work in k-d-s, lotta bugfixes17:09
JontheEchidnaand on the kubuntu-meta/k-d-s triaging in general17:11
JontheEchidnabug 291473 is el strangeo17:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 291473 in meta-kde "WISHLIST: lower the bar for usability fixes to KDE in Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29147317:12
* movedlogger hates these god damn bugs that don't belong to the packages they blong to17:12
movedloggerwe should rename kde-meta and kubuntu-meta17:12
JontheEchidnaI hasn't really seen any proposed usability fixes that haven't been accepted due to too high of a bar17:12
JontheEchidnaer, that was supposed to be /me, not I hasn't17:13
movedloggerJontheEchidna: invalid without precise requests, which should be reported individually against their respective packages anyway17:14
movedlogger+ minor usability tweaks are not worth the risk of breaking stuff IMHO17:14
movedloggerpisses people off ... big time17:14
JontheEchidnaeven if the tweaks dont' break things :P17:15
JontheEchidnaor even if the tweaks trigger a kde bug17:15
movedloggerJontheEchidna: you can never be sure that tweaks don't break things17:16
movedloggerseele: plasma has a zoom shortcut?17:17
movedloggerdoesn't work17:18
JontheEchidnawhat is the .desktop validation tool called again?17:18
* JontheEchidna install desktop-file-utils17:18
JontheEchidna<3 command-not-found17:19
movedloggerah now it works17:19
seelemovedlogger: it was disabled in intrepid because there were crash bugs associated with some plasma desktop stuff17:21
seelenot sure if you've enabled it again and it is still not working?17:21
* movedlogger is using KDE trunk17:21
seeleah.. well then can't do anything about that :)17:22
movedloggerseele: zoom shortcuts are unified in 4.217:22
movedloggerour xmodmap is b0rked17:29
Tm_Tmovedlogger: btw diff and all is uploaded now there17:31
JontheEchidnaOk, so some gnome utilities apps don't have icons in the menu in kde since they use icons specific to the gnome icons theme that aren't in the fd.o spec17:50
JontheEchidnawho should the report be filed against?17:50
JontheEchidna(config-users.png is an example)17:51
Tm_TJontheEchidna: ubuntu-desktop ?17:52
JontheEchidnaI mean, would we want to file a bug against xdg to get an icon made standard for a user-configuration app? Or would we want to file a wishlist against kdebase-runtime to get oxygen to make an icon?17:53
Tm_TJontheEchidna: first17:54
Tm_TJontheEchidna: latter is workaround IMO17:54
JontheEchidnaKDE's generic "user" icon isn't exactly xdg-spec'd either though...17:55
JontheEchidnaso I guess we can't go filing reports against gnome :P17:55
Tm_Twe can, as we are not KDE17:55
Tm_Twe are distro having both GNOME and KDE apps17:56
Tm_T(when it suits)17:56
movedloggerJontheEchidna: I don't think config-users is a desireable name anyway17:58
movedloggerthere ought to be a perferences-desktop-user or something thingy17:58
JontheEchidnaI am in the process of telling the reporter of bug 301213 where to shove his reports17:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 301213 in meta-kde "question marks icons after installing package kde in Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30121317:58
JontheEchidnaI have all the others down except those gnomey utils17:58
movedloggerJontheEchidna: I would just move it to some gnome package :P17:58
JontheEchidnareports like these make me grumpy17:59
movedloggerlet them handle it, config-users id not part of the spec so they can't expect KDE to have that icon, so the icon should go to hicolor and not gnome thingy17:59
JontheEchidnaoh hey, you're right17:59
* movedlogger gets a headache from all the keymap stuff and it's documentation18:00
* movedlogger thinks X11 changed some mapping18:01
* Sput points movedlogger to X now using HAL for the layout18:01
movedloggeroh dear18:02
movedloggerSput: do you know anything about qt's keymapper?18:02
Sputwhat's that supposed to be?18:03
Sputqt takes the system locale for that, afaik18:03
Sputanyway, after defining my keymap via HAL, my keys work in KDE and Qt as expected18:04
movedloggerSput: got a guide for that?18:06
movedloggerQt somehow harcodes keycodes18:06
movedloggerso for example it can't process LighBulb18:07
movedloggerlight even18:07
Sputmovedlogger: it's used with evdev, google for 10-keymap.fdi18:08
movedloggerthis makes we wanna cry18:14
movedloggerSput: only works with evdev?18:15
Sputthink so18:15
movedloggernot an option then18:15
* movedlogger would like standard key codes -.-18:15
movedloggerThere is an still unfinished driver in X11 for using the /dev/input/event* devices which give much better access to the input event that the legacy raw mode. The X11 driver is named evdev like the kernel module providing these devices. It currently uses a hand crafted, compiled in table to map linux keycodes to X keysyms. If it could be extended to use the xkbd machinery it would be a good replacement for the kbd driver.18:17
* smarter waves18:20
movedloggerRiddell: I would think it makes much more sense to reduce our xmodmap to keycodes that can be identified as almost-standard and create xkb files for others18:30
movedloggerJontheEchidna: I think I closed a bug similar to bug 24358219:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243582 in kde4libs "unable to switch desktops with some key combinations" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24358219:03
movedloggerJontheEchidna: IIRC there was some bug about keypad not being usable19:05
JontheEchidnamovedlogger: that was about it not working with high Fn numbers by default, iirc19:10
JontheEchidnaor maybe someone else closed that one...19:10
movedloggerjust noticed19:10
movedloggerhai vorian19:12
vorianhi movedlogger19:12
movedloggerJontheEchidna: do you have bko karma?19:12
ubottuKDE bug 144386 in general "shortcuts: please allow to optionally differentiate normal keys from keypad" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]19:14
ubottuKDE bug 177180 in shortcuts "Keyboard shortcuts with numeric keypad do not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed]19:14
ubottuKDE bug 173974 in keys "Can't bind shortcuts to numeric keypad keys" [Normal,Unconfirmed]19:14
JontheEchidnawhee, dupes19:14
JontheEchidnaI think the first one might be different, the shortcut does not work at all in my testing19:15
JontheEchidnathough it could be that the reporter is wrong in his request19:15
JontheEchidnaassuming what the problem is19:15
=== _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde
movedloggerJontheEchidna: same cause anyway19:15
* movedlogger thinks the problem might actually be in the qkeymapper19:16
movedloggerthat thing looks horrible enough to cause this kind of issue19:16
movedloggerJontheEchidna: there might be more dupes19:17
movedloggerI have seen at least 10 different reports all going down to the mishandling of keypad input19:17
=== movedlogger is now known as apachelogger
JontheEchidnayay, I'm #7 top bug triager now19:19
JontheEchidnain terms of bugs resolved19:19
apacheloggerbecause you close em as invalid :P19:20
JontheEchidnaholy crap @ finex though: finex@finex.org  149619:20
apacheloggeryou are all cheating19:20
apacheloggerI am quite sure about that19:20
Nightrosehehe yea finex is a machine...19:21
jussi01JontheEchidna: Im disappointed, you havent triaged my bug yet :P19:24
jussi01JontheEchidna: bug 31331419:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 313314 in klear "Klear gives an error on opening" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31331419:25
apacheloggerwe don't monitor klear19:25
apacheloggersomeone please send me a mail19:25
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: k, sent19:26
apacheloggerit appears to me kmail notifications don't work if kmail is embedded in kontact19:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: send another mail please19:33
smarterapachelogger, JontheEchidna: heya19:48
smarteranything interesting happened this week? (:19:48
apacheloggerhm, I don't like when I am right19:49
smarterwe got the first release of kds 9.04 apparently, this is almost interesting, nop? :p19:50
apacheloggerhardly IMHO :P19:50
apacheloggeruh, quassel in main is going to be fun19:50
apacheloggerno clue how to do that19:50
smarterI did that sometimes ago for a package19:51
apacheloggerin order to import it's l10n template we need to run it through ts2po19:51
apacheloggerthen we can import to rosetta, but rosetta spits po files out and those become mo files19:51
apacheloggerQt only reads qm files19:52
apacheloggerso we would have to run the quassel po's through po2ts and then compile it using the Qt linguist stuff19:52
apacheloggerpitti is not going to like this19:52
apacheloggerdon't we have some Qt app in main?19:53
smarterapachelogger: back? :]19:55
smarterso, hplip20:02
apacheloggerisn't that pyqt20:03
smarterI found that comment on the main linux french site(http://linuxfr.org): "the KDE packagers of Ubuntu refuse to hear any critic. Their work is of course perfect(for them at least...), so their version is not well done, not well integrated and only suit 2 or 3 people... themselves"20:03
JontheEchidnayeah, it is. pyqt3 I think20:03
apacheloggerDepends: hplip, python-qt4, python-qt3, python-reportlab, dbus-x11, gksu | kdebase-bin (<< 4:4.4.0-1) | kdesudo20:03
JontheEchidnaeww @ hplip20:04
smarterdoxygen wizard thingy20:05
smarteris in Qt20:05
apacheloggerapparently something can generate po from gm or gm from po20:07
* apachelogger just found an example in the gettext-doc package20:07
apacheloggerusing qt but po/ contains .po's and .qm's20:08
apacheloggersmarter: -gui is in universe20:09
apacheloggerapparently gettext can create .qm files20:12
apacheloggerthe make file makes me wanna cry though :P20:12
smarteryay, kvpm upstream is alive again and has integrated my patches :)20:13
* JontheEchidna wonders if gtk-qt-engine will integrate his patch...20:13
apacheloggerfeels dead alright20:13
JontheEchidnaI fixed the backwards/forwards buttons in firefox20:13
JontheEchidnaI guess I should just make a debdiff then20:15
apacheloggerts2po fails on quassel.ts -.-20:16
apacheloggerwhy is that python apps never work for me :P20:18
apachelogger1.2.1 works, but it has parsing issues it seems20:26
apacheloggerscrew that, launchpad should fix their importer20:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: do we have a bug about the kdm restart options for grub not working?20:27
JontheEchidnaI seem to remember one existing...20:27
* apachelogger wants to get rid of the kds wish for making it default since we can't do that right now anyway20:27
* JontheEchidna searches and faces the 1000 line tag box of the general ubuntu search page20:28
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we have search plugins for launchpad, you know :P20:29
apachelogger!info kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts20:29
ubottukubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (source: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts): Konqueror shortcuts for the Kubuntu wiki, Ubuntu Docs, Launchpad and more. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6 (intrepid), package size 5 kB, installed size 92 kB20:29
apacheloggernothing in kdebase-workspace20:30
apacheloggerso I suppose if there is a bug it is not triaged properly :P20:30
JontheEchidnamaybe bug 10764220:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 107642 in kdebase "Restart to another grub entry locks screen in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/10764220:30
JontheEchidnalet's see20:31
JontheEchidnawrong package20:31
JontheEchidnanominated for 3 distros with no fix20:31
JontheEchidnainvalidated upstream bug20:31
apacheloggerit freezes in Kubuntu Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy-Kde320:31
apachelogger it doesn't work in Intrepid20:31
apachelogger"don't break your kdm and it doesn't freeze"20:31
* apachelogger declines nominitions20:32
apacheloggerwithout typo20:32
JontheEchidnaI didn't even notice the typo until you mentioned it20:33
apacheloggeroi vei20:33
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I would close the bug, since it doesn't appear in KDE 4 anyway20:33
apacheloggerand we can't do much about it for KDE 320:34
apacheloggercripple it out of kdm maybe, but that would be a rather crude approach and dangerous as well20:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we could apply the patch from kde bug 6380020:37
ubottuKDE bug 63800 in general "support for Grub in reboot in <OS> functionallity" [Wishlist,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6380020:37
apacheloggerthat still would envolve a change menu.lst20:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: how about patching the setting away? :P20:39
JontheEchidnalast time I touched a patch from a third party I got yelled at by upstream20:40
apacheloggerlast time I didn't review it20:42
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: suggestions for bug 29610620:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296106 in kdebase-workspace "kde generates GB-large log files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29610620:48
JontheEchidnaI thought you already fixed a log rotation bug20:49
apacheloggerbut look at the dates20:49
apacheloggerkdm logged within one day >3GiB20:49
apacheloggerthat is anything but normal20:49
JontheEchidnayeah, that's what I don't get. it should work20:49
apacheloggerit only gets rotated daily20:49
apacheloggerI can certainly introduce a max size20:49
JontheEchidnaoh, so if it generates all that in a day it's not a rotating issue20:50
apacheloggerbut that would only prevent the filling not resolve whatever is causing so much output ;-)20:50
JontheEchidnamaybe it could be related to the randr patch that filled Xorg.0.log with craploads of data?20:50
apacheloggerthat is possible20:50
JontheEchidnawe could ask to see if there's any repitition of lines in the log files20:51
apacheloggerkdm will log some of the Xorg output as well IIRC20:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ask him to paste the first 1k lines20:51
JontheEchidnaI think that patch has given us nothing but trouble :(20:51
* apachelogger changes the logrotate file in jaunty20:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, it is a patch :P20:52
JontheEchidnabut it's from the infallible suse!20:52
JontheEchidnaany packager who views their packages are blinded by their perfection20:52
apacheloggerfedora's are a lot more sane than suse's20:53
apacheloggerthe KDE ones at least20:53
JontheEchidnabut nobody cares about fedora. Suse is perfect, Kubuntu is worse than shit. But nobody cares about fedora20:53
JontheEchidnaon the Dot, anyways20:53
apacheloggerdon't trust the dot20:58
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: is bug 285831 still the valid for the intrepid?21:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285831 in kdebase-runtime "icon for ms-word file *.doc is "?" instead of ooo-word" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28583121:03
* apachelogger doesn't have docs21:03
JontheEchidnaI can't find the file that was symlinked to the other icon21:06
* JontheEchidna disappears for a whle21:06
* apachelogger googles a doc21:06
apacheloggerfor some reason it detects the wrong file type21:08
ubottubugzilla.redhat.com bug 442443 in kdebase ".doc files have ? (question mark) icon" [Low,Assigned]21:13
ScottKapachelogger: I do hope amarok can save us some space.  We really need to get 5.1 into the archive.21:28
apacheloggerScottK: what is stopping it right now?21:28
ScottKRiddell said he wanted server team to approve it.  Perhaps you could talk to zul?21:29
apacheloggerI'll write a mail later on21:30
ScottKapachelogger: Great.21:31
NCommanderhey ScottK21:33
ScottKHey NCommander.21:35
NCommanderScottK, so I'm now a python-qt4 maintainer in Debian21:35
NCommanderGo figure.21:35
* NCommander is also now a full DD :-)21:36
ScottKExcellent and congratulations.21:37
smarterNCommander: congrats :)21:41
nhandlerCongrats NCommander21:42
jjesseNCommander: congrats21:47
nhandlerNCommander: Care to sponsor a package for me?21:54
crimsuni did always chuckle that the sponsorship requests increased dramatically after becoming DD/core21:57
NCommandernhandler, sure22:00
nhandlerNCommander: It is namedd lyricue. It is already in Ubuntu. I uploaded it to mentors.debian.net22:00
* NCommander blows the dust off his sid chroot22:00
NCommandernhandler, new package, or update?22:00
nhandlerNew package22:00
NCommandernhandler, do you want to send it to experimental or unstable?22:01
nhandlerNCommander: I think unstable should be fine.22:02
NCommanderThis made it through Ubuntu NEW?22:03
nhandlerYes, why?22:03
NCommanderCopyright says its LGPL, but COPYING says its GPL22:04
NCommanderNo license headers22:04
nixternalnhandler: if it is kde4 package, then it goes to experimental fyi22:04
nhandlernixternal: It isn't22:04
nhandlerNCommander: I'll take another look at it. I didn't do the original packaging for Ubuntu22:04
NCommanderWHoever approved this should really reconsider22:05
NCommanderSorry, I can't sponsor this upload.22:05
nhandlerNCommander: No problem. I'll get the copyright stuff sorted out22:05
NCommanderFeel free to ping me when you wish to try again22:05
NCommanderanyone else want to try and get sponsored?22:06
ScottKI just added Jaunty to the list of exceptions for the "THIS_SHOULD_GO_IN_UNSTABLE" check so future uploads to expermental should build fine on Jaunty.22:15
ScottKThat's in the Debian pgk-gde svn repo.22:17
* ScottK grumbles about epochs in rsibreak and wonders how the heck we got 4 when Debian has 1.22:27
nixternalI was talking to toma and he said something about rsibreak needs to be fixed packaging wise, but I cannot remember what needed to be fixed now22:30
nixternalcongrats NCommander on the DD'ship22:38
NCommanderThanks Nightrose22:39
nixternalhahhaa, I love it when people do ni<tab>22:39
NightroseNCommander: you're welcome ;-)22:39
Nightrosecongratulations btw22:39
nixternalhahahahaha, booyah22:39
crimsunyou don't realise just how much you rely on tab completion until it's not available in your client, e.g., the fIRC android client22:39
NCommanderdamn it22:40
NCommandernixternal, :-P22:40
ScottKnixternal: debian/copyright needed some changes in Debian (which I have put in the pkg-kde svn).  Dunno about anything else.22:41
nixternalOK, couldn't remember what he told me22:41
nixternalI heard the Mez got chewed out for not including me in the copyright file of katapult for like the past 2+ years in Debian22:41
nixternalwhoops :)22:42
apacheloggernixternal: the ni<tab> thing would work if $client had more sensible autocompletion22:49
vorian!info kwin-style-dekorator jaunty22:51
ubottuPackage kwin-style-dekorator does not exist in jaunty22:51
vorianstill waiting in the queue22:52
nixternalvorian: that is supposed to be one of my debian-qt-kde projects... pusling wants me to take it over for him, so expect changes to that in the future22:53
voriannixternal: oh cool!22:53
voriani made a branch for it, i'd like to help you with it if that's ok :)22:53
nixternalno problemo22:54
nixternalif you are already hip on it, you should talk to pusling about taking it over in debian then22:54
vorianna, you are the wizzard22:55
vorianthe ui part could use a bunch of work.  It would be neeto to have it handle bundles like emerald22:56
apacheloggerthis is interesting23:04
apacheloggerapparently .msi and .doc have the same header23:04
nhandlerWhat is apa?23:04
nhandlerWhy are you examining .msi and .doc files?23:05
apachelogger~wp apa23:05
kubotuResults for apa: 1. APA style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APA_style | 2. Amateur press association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association | 3. Estilo APA: http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estilo_APA23:05
kubotu[1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia23:05
apacheloggernhandler: dolphin detects .doc files as windows installer thingies (.msi)23:05
apacheloggerand this is apparently because the header is identical and ksycoca weights the header data higher than the extension in mimetype detection23:06
apacheloggerunlike xdg-mime which correctly recognizes the .doc as ms word23:06
apacheloggerremoving the header bit from the freedesktop mimefile makes dolphin work properly23:08
seelehuh.. that's funny23:12
seeleapachelogger: to me, APA style means American Pyschological Association which I use for research papers23:12
apacheloggeryou americans :P23:13
apacheloggeroh come on now23:13
apacheloggeronly some doc files have that header clash23:14
apacheloggere.g. ones exported from google docs (i.e. ooo) have a different header and thus get detected properly23:14
apacheloggerI think kde screwed up23:39
jussi01again? :P23:40
apacheloggerglob elements have a pattern attribute. Any file whose name matches this pattern will be given this MIME type (subject to conflicting rules in other files, of course).23:41
* jussi01 thinks it getting late and he should be in bed...23:42
apacheloggerto me that reads like "any file matching *.doc is msword unless another mimetype gives sufficient conflict to this believe"23:42
apacheloggerthe issue is caused by a magic element of the .msi mimetype23:43
apacheloggerand about these elements the spec sez:23:43
apacheloggermagic elements contain a list of match elements, any of which may match, and an optional priority attribute for all of the contained rules. Low numbers should be used for more generic types (such as 'gzip compressed data') and higher values for specific subtypes (such as a word processor format that happens to use gzip to compress the file). The default priority value is 50, and the maximum23:43
apacheloggerconsidering the .msi magic has a priority of 50 it should not be sufficient conflict23:44
apacheloggerassuming it would a value > 50 if .msi is the one and only file to use a given pattern (because of example it has a gigantic header which doesn't change at all)23:45
apacheloggers/of example/for example23:45
* apachelogger should also be in bed23:45
apacheloggerfreedesktop.org specs are way too unprecise for my liking :P23:53
Nightroseapachelogger: see #amarok23:54
steveireHi. I'm trying to find the people resonsible for the nightly builds of kde4 (project neon, right?), or just a good page of info on it. gg: project neon doesn't really have the nuts.23:55
Nightrosesteveire: what do you need?23:55
steveireI think it could be a far easier way for new developers to get 'trunk' and contribute to modules and applications without having to maintain their own trunk checkout of kdelibs, dependancies changing like libical in the last few months etc. I want to know if the packages install development headers.23:57
Nightroseyou can install them yes23:57
steveireI know there's also kdesvn-build, but project neon could be easier.23:57
steveireNightrose: Do you know who is involved with creating the packages etc?23:58
Nightroseapachelogger is23:58
steveireAh, right. well, apachelogger ping :)23:58

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