[00:08] <chris062689> ....
[00:20] <nhandler> Riddell: Thanks a lot for setting it up. And thanks ScottK for the congrats
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM
[00:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: please take a look at bug 313599
[03:52]  * ScottK just read the irclog of today's meeting.
[03:53] <nhandler> ScottK: You could have just waited a few more hours. Last I hear, nixternal was working on writing up the minutes
[03:53] <nhandler> s/hear/heard/
[03:53] <ScottK> I read quickly, so it doesn't matter much.
[03:53] <Tm_T> bah, I missed the meeting, I notice
[03:54] <ScottK> Just as well I wasn't there for the discussions about the "Desktop Experience" team and notifications.
[03:54] <ScottK> I'd have ended up being accused of being too negative again.
[03:55] <ScottK> IMO if they don't have time to 'fix' notifications in KDE, it's a win for us.
[03:58] <Tm_T> ScottK: indeed
[10:09] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hi son
[10:12] <mcasadevall> wow ...
[10:12]  * mcasadevall a DD ...
[10:21] <Arby> NCommander: Debian Developer?
[10:22] <NCommander> Yeah
[10:22] <NCommander> Just got the "Account Created" email
[10:22] <NCommander> ^is
[10:22] <Arby> wow, congratulations :)
[10:22] <NCommander> Amazing I lived this long
[11:30]  * jussi01 huggle NCommander
[11:30] <NCommander> what did I do?
[11:30] <jussi01> NCommander: Ive just woken up and you rather eloquently handled that guy in #kubuntu
[12:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you better check the amarok packagers list
[12:02] <apachelogger> Tm_T: hi mom
[12:02] <apachelogger> Tm_T: how is qt 4.5 coming along?
[12:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thanks - checking now - i got back last night and only now trying to catch up
[12:22] <apachelogger> !leaving == !catching_up :P
[12:23] <apachelogger> poor bot
[12:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :P   tell that to my family *g*
[12:24] <apachelogger> cando
[12:25] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: also... where are our mobile devices? :P
[12:25] <Nightrose> meh
[12:25] <Nightrose> :P
[12:25] <Nightrose> that is #1056 on my todo list
[12:25]  * apachelogger thinks we need a new Nightrose because the current one is too busy
[12:25] <Nightrose> haha
[12:25] <Nightrose> indeed
[12:33]  * Hobbsee clones Nightrose, but ends up with a very dark night, and a large rose.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hrmmm
[12:33] <Nightrose> *lol*
[12:33]  * Nightrose kills her clone
[12:33] <Nightrose> there can only be one true Nightrose
[12:34] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: sounds like a bug
[12:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that sounds also like a bug
[12:35] <Nightrose> :/
[12:35] <Nightrose> i am a singleton! that is a feature
[12:35] <Nightrose> not a bug
[12:35] <apachelogger> not so sure about that
[12:35] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[12:36] <Tm_T> apachelogger: not well, mind to take a look at it?
[12:36] <apachelogger> Tm_T: please upload somewhere
[12:36] <Tm_T> doing
[12:38] <Tm_T> apachelogger: .dsc or something else too?
[12:40] <apachelogger> dsc and diff at least
[12:41]  * apachelogger talkes the dog for a walk
[12:42]  * Tm_T finds this bit disturbing
[12:42] <Tm_T> I'm starting to think that my system isn't done for packaging, really
[12:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/qt4-x11_4.5.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: dunno why .diff isn't produced
[12:47] <Tm_T> apachelogger: but there's tar.gz of sources going anyway now
[12:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: see query when you are back
[12:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: it means you named the .orig.tar.gz wrongly
[12:47]  * Tm_T hates this system
[12:48] <Riddell> what did you name it?
[12:48] <Tm_T> Riddell: ummm, right, it doesn't have ~beta1 part, qt4-x11_4.5.0.orig.tar.gz
[12:49] <Tm_T> bah and bah again ):
[12:49] <Tm_T> pbuilder fails miserably here, I have 3 broken Qt:s in use here
[12:49] <Tm_T> for starters =)
[12:50] <Tm_T> and just to compile Qt takes easily 8 hours here, I notice
[12:50] <Tm_T> it's more than KDE as whole + some extragear
[13:01] <Riddell> I did say it was a beast
[13:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: I know (:
[13:21] <Tm_T> and this is kinda educating (:)
[13:26]  * Tm_T remembers the time when he/she/it used to build qt-copy way too often
[14:13] <seele> besides quassel and kpackagekit, was there anything else that needed reviewed?  i'm not going to bother with kvirc because it looks like the quassel developers are pretty dedicated
[14:17] <apachelogger> don't think so
[14:18] <apachelogger> Oo on a fresh jaunty installation openoffice.org-core is the biggest package -.-
[15:19] <apachelogger> kde rev 905512
[15:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: ping, do you know the licence on the kubuntu website design?
[15:48] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot001.png
[15:50] <Arby> apachelogger: shiny :)
[15:52]  * Arby returns to wrestling with python thread locking
[15:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: to my knowledge, all of Matt's stuff is PD... I can check again. The rounding script is under an MIT license. I haven't really thought of what license my work is under, I should probably release it under the PD to make everybody's life easier...
[16:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: the wiki theme that I'm working on is GPL
[16:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: For the wiki, I asked around a few days ago if people would rather have links (like kubuntu.org, top right) and a search box, or just a search box like on help.u.c/community/ , and the reply was just a search box. Is that good, or would you like me to go for links and search box?
[16:03] <Riddell> just a search box is fine, although a link to kubuntu.org somewhere would make sense
[16:09] <Riddell> jussi01: hmm, I can't work out if uni_ on #kubuntu is being deliberately unhelpful
[16:10] <jussi01> Riddell: the lack of tab completion suggests to me that he is unfamiliar with irc
[16:10] <jussi01> possibly a language issue also
[16:13] <Riddell> mm
[16:36] <Arby> JontheEchidna: did you ever find what was causing python to crash in jockey-kcm?
[16:36] <Arby> and did the crash look anything like this
[16:36] <Arby> http://paste.ubuntu.com/99681/
[16:37] <Sput> seele, you'll like this:
 Quassel IRC: The Monolithic build behaves now like a regular IRC client.
 Quassel IRC: This is to make Quassel suitable for Kubuntu.
[16:37] <seele> Sput: yay~!
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> Arby: for me it crashes right before waitwindow is shown, but I'm not sure that showing the window is causing the crash...
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> I marked where it crashes for me with a comment and committed it to bzr
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> and yes, that's what the crash looks like :P
[16:38] <Arby> JontheEchidna: yes, I know what causes the issue at waitwindow
[16:39] <Arby> just not how to fix it
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, cool. what's the cause?
[16:39] <Arby> it's a problem with class inheritance
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> fun
[16:39] <Arby> NewPrinterGUI inherits from kcm-scpk.GUI
[16:40] <Arby> it needs to inherit from .PyKcm _ I think
[16:40] <Arby> The crash that kills kcmshell seems to be to do with funky thread handling
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, same with jockey...
[16:40] <Arby> I've figured out where it occurs in the python code
[16:41] <Arby> but that's about i
[16:41] <Arby> *it
[16:41] <Arby> I was hoping you might have a solution
[16:41] <Arby> I'm somewhat out of my depth now
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> inheritance and visibilities are somewhat my weaknesses too, unfortunately
[16:42] <Arby> I _think_ it's that a new thread is created then exits with some kind of non-NULL state
[16:42] <Arby> but I've no idea how to make it exit in a way that makes kcmshell happy
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> if GUI() and PyKcm were somehow merged....
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> mabye that would help
[16:43] <Arby> I did look at that, it would be pretty hard
[16:43] <Arby> (for me at least)
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, unforunately I can't even do that with jockey due to its gui backend system...
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> it requires a ui to be created as a subclass of an AbstractUI class
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> and I can't make it both a subclass of KCModule and AbstractUI, so I have to do that makeui() business
[16:45] <Arby> at least that seems to work
[16:45] <Arby> I thought that was quite neat :)
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> aside from crashes :P (don't know if the crashes are related to the makeui method)
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> but other than that I was sorta proud for figuring that out
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> I'm just waiting for an experience pythonista to look at my code and faint
[16:47] <Arby> show them mine and it'll kill them off
[16:47] <Arby> the GUI code and the underlying bindings to cups are all kind of mixed in together
[16:48] <apachelogger> you funny python people :P
[16:48] <Arby> but I'm too wary of changing the cups stuff because I don't understand it well enough
[16:48] <Arby> :)
[16:48] <Arby> if you wish to reimplement scpk and jockey in ruby feel free :)
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> I've asked some of the jockey dudes for assistance. After Alberto Milone finishes some of his other projects he's offered to take a look at my code
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> there might be hope yet! (tm)
[16:49] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: I think we can gain quite some space through amarok 2 ... it doesn't ship docs yet and doesn't depend on python/ruby anymore
[16:49] <apachelogger> should give us ~20-30 MiB I guess
[16:51] <apachelogger> opinions aboug bug 262924 please
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> would koffice vs openoffice save space?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> and would koffice be a viable alternative by jaunty?
[16:51]  * apachelogger finds that a pretty workaroundish solution due to our lack of easy sharing capabilities
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it's not even out of beta yet
[16:51] <apachelogger> that said... very unlikely
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> I have a feeling we'll be stuck with that ugly behemoth for a while :(
[16:52] <apachelogger> even if it was "stable" by feature freeze we probably still wouldn't want it
[16:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, since ooo is dying (again) there is hope yet! (tm) :P
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's dying?
[16:53] <apachelogger> yes, only <30 devs
[16:53] <seele> it's such a mess, no wonder
[16:53] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[16:54] <seele> although at the same time that is surprising since ooo is up there with firefox as "open source software normal people would know of"
[16:54] <Arby> I saw a big discussion on one of the mailing  lists proposing that ubuntu adopt some ooo fork
[16:54] <apachelogger> + IIRC every dev has to agree that sun gains copyright on their code
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> I'd suggest they jump over to koffice, but they'd convolute that up into as big of a mess as ooo
[16:54] <Arby> go-ooo or something
[16:54]  * apachelogger would like some office suite that doesn't bind to either gtk or qt :S
[16:55]  * Sput suggest writing wxOffice
[16:55]  * apachelogger pukes
[16:55]  * JontheEchidna gouges eyes out
[16:55]  * Sput doesn't clean up
[16:56] <apachelogger> hm
[16:56] <apachelogger> change_location(apachelogger)
[16:56] <apachelogger> moving...
[16:57]  * jussi01 wants koffice that doesnt crash and is properly compatible with MS formats...
[16:57] <movedlogger> screw ms formats
[16:57] <movedlogger> they get replaced by ODF anyways
[16:58] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: bug 215383
[16:58] <movedlogger> where to move it to?
[16:58] <jussi01> movedlogger: unfortunately I have to deal with people who dont feel that way.
[16:58]  * JontheEchidna pointy-clicks
[16:58] <Arby> jussi01 +1 :)
[16:59] <movedlogger> hm jussi01 and Arby are dealers
[16:59] <movedlogger> oh dear
[16:59] <Arby> dealers ?
[16:59] <movedlogger> *shrug*
[16:59] <jussi01> can one of you german speakers check this over for me?
[16:59] <jussi01> In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[17:00]  * movedlogger finds the last sentence
[17:00] <movedlogger> je4d: looking good
[17:01] <stdin> compare to:
[17:01] <stdin> !de
[17:01] <movedlogger> jussi01 even
[17:01] <movedlogger> je4d: you are looking good though, I am sure
[17:01] <movedlogger> stdin: who came up with that? :P
[17:01] <jussi01> movedlogger: thanks
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> movedlogger: maybe we could put an icon plasmoid on the desktop linking to the "About kubuntu" thingy in khelpcenter?
[17:01] <stdin> !-de
[17:02] <movedlogger> oh dear
[17:02] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: waste of space
[17:02] <stdin> it was probably a bablefish translation to begin with
[17:03] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: I would think: context menu of panel (which is kinda unrelated to about kubuntu) OR help -> about kubuntu (which might be confusing for ubuntu us0rs using KDE apps) OR a menu entry (which might be not visible enough)
[17:03] <movedlogger> stdin: sounds like one anyway ;-)
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe clever hax in kde4libs to display the kubuntu version in about kde?
[17:04] <movedlogger> we can do that using a cmake var for the kde version
[17:04] <movedlogger> but that doesn't really address the issue completely
[17:04] <seele> what is replacing k3b in jaunty?
[17:04] <movedlogger> if you look for information about kubuntu you look for kubuntu, not kde
[17:04] <movedlogger> seele: we don't know
[17:05] <DaSkreech> wodim!!!
[17:05] <movedlogger> seele: no one tested k3b trunk for real yet
[17:05] <movedlogger> apparently it looks decent but no one knows if it actually burns
[17:05] <Sput> I've heard reports of k3b working fine for people
[17:05] <Sput> no first-hand experience though
[17:05] <DaSkreech> wooooooodddimmmm
[17:06]  * movedlogger thinks jussi01 would want to test it
[17:06] <Tm_T> wajig <3
[17:06] <Tm_T> no, I'm not random (;
[17:07] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: how about that: we change About KDE to About Kubuntu and haxx0r the dialog to present KDE as part of the Kubuntu information?
[17:07] <je4d> movedlogger: cheers ;)
[17:07] <jussi01> movedlogger: hrm, could be fun... linky to a repo/tarball?
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a plan, I'd suggest moving it to kde4libs in that case
[17:08] <movedlogger> jussi01: extragear/multimedia/k3b
[17:08] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: aye
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> btw, impressive work in k-d-s, lotta bugfixes
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> and on the kubuntu-meta/k-d-s triaging in general
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> bug 291473 is el strangeo
[17:12]  * movedlogger hates these god damn bugs that don't belong to the packages they blong to
[17:12] <movedlogger> we should rename kde-meta and kubuntu-meta
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> I hasn't really seen any proposed usability fixes that haven't been accepted due to too high of a bar
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> er, that was supposed to be /me, not I hasn't
[17:14] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: invalid without precise requests, which should be reported individually against their respective packages anyway
[17:14] <movedlogger> + minor usability tweaks are not worth the risk of breaking stuff IMHO
[17:14] <movedlogger> pisses people off ... big time
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> even if the tweaks dont' break things :P
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> or even if the tweaks trigger a kde bug
[17:16] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: you can never be sure that tweaks don't break things
[17:17] <movedlogger> seele: plasma has a zoom shortcut?
[17:17] <DaSkreech> Yes
[17:18] <movedlogger> doesn't work
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> what is the .desktop validation tool called again?
[17:18] <movedlogger> desktop-file-validate
[17:18]  * JontheEchidna install desktop-file-utils
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> <3 command-not-found
[17:19] <movedlogger> ah now it works
[17:21] <seele> movedlogger: it was disabled in intrepid because there were crash bugs associated with some plasma desktop stuff
[17:21] <seele> not sure if you've enabled it again and it is still not working?
[17:21]  * movedlogger is using KDE trunk
[17:22] <seele> ah.. well then can't do anything about that :)
[17:22] <seele> neon?
[17:22] <movedlogger> yes
[17:22] <movedlogger> anyway
[17:22] <movedlogger> seele: zoom shortcuts are unified in 4.2
[17:29] <movedlogger> our xmodmap is b0rked
[17:31] <Tm_T> movedlogger: btw diff and all is uploaded now there
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so some gnome utilities apps don't have icons in the menu in kde since they use icons specific to the gnome icons theme that aren't in the fd.o spec
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> who should the report be filed against?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> (config-users.png is an example)
[17:52] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: ubuntu-desktop ?
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> I mean, would we want to file a bug against xdg to get an icon made standard for a user-configuration app? Or would we want to file a wishlist against kdebase-runtime to get oxygen to make an icon?
[17:54] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: first
[17:54] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: latter is workaround IMO
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> KDE's generic "user" icon isn't exactly xdg-spec'd either though...
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> so I guess we can't go filing reports against gnome :P
[17:55] <Tm_T> we can, as we are not KDE
[17:56] <Tm_T> we are distro having both GNOME and KDE apps
[17:56] <Tm_T> (when it suits)
[17:57] <movedlogger> hm
[17:58] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: I don't think config-users is a desireable name anyway
[17:58] <movedlogger> there ought to be a perferences-desktop-user or something thingy
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> I am in the process of telling the reporter of bug 301213 where to shove his reports
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> I have all the others down except those gnomey utils
[17:58] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: I would just move it to some gnome package :P
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> reports like these make me grumpy
[17:59] <movedlogger> let them handle it, config-users id not part of the spec so they can't expect KDE to have that icon, so the icon should go to hicolor and not gnome thingy
[17:59] <movedlogger> s/id/is
[17:59] <JontheEchidna> oh hey, you're right
[18:00]  * movedlogger gets a headache from all the keymap stuff and it's documentation
[18:01]  * movedlogger thinks X11 changed some mapping
[18:01]  * Sput points movedlogger to X now using HAL for the layout
[18:02] <movedlogger> oh dear
[18:02] <movedlogger> Sput: do you know anything about qt's keymapper?
[18:03] <Sput> what's that supposed to be?
[18:03] <Sput> qt takes the system locale for that, afaik
[18:04] <Sput> anyway, after defining my keymap via HAL, my keys work in KDE and Qt as expected
[18:06] <movedlogger> Sput: got a guide for that?
[18:06] <movedlogger> anyway
[18:06] <movedlogger> Qt somehow harcodes keycodes
[18:07] <movedlogger> so for example it can't process LighBulb
[18:07] <movedlogger> light even
[18:08] <Sput> movedlogger: it's used with evdev, google for 10-keymap.fdi
[18:14] <movedlogger> this makes we wanna cry
[18:15] <movedlogger> Sput: only works with evdev?
[18:15] <Sput> think so
[18:15] <movedlogger> not an option then
[18:15]  * movedlogger would like standard key codes -.-
[18:17] <movedlogger> There is an still unfinished driver in X11 for using the /dev/input/event* devices which give much better access to the input event that the legacy raw mode. The X11 driver is named evdev like the kernel module providing these devices. It currently uses a hand crafted, compiled in table to map linux keycodes to X keysyms. If it could be extended to use the xkbd machinery it would be a good replacement for the kbd driver.
[18:20]  * smarter waves
[18:30] <movedlogger> Riddell: I would think it makes much more sense to reduce our xmodmap to keycodes that can be identified as almost-standard and create xkb files for others
[19:03] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: I think I closed a bug similar to bug 243582
[19:05] <movedlogger> ahhh
[19:05] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: IIRC there was some bug about keypad not being usable
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> movedlogger: that was about it not working with high Fn numbers by default, iirc
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> or maybe someone else closed that one...
[19:10] <movedlogger> yeah
[19:10] <movedlogger> just noticed
[19:12] <vorian> afternoon
[19:12] <movedlogger> hai vorian
[19:12] <vorian> hi movedlogger
[19:12] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: do you have bko karma?
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> yus
[19:13] <movedlogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144386
[19:14] <movedlogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177180
[19:14] <movedlogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173974
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> whee, dupes
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> I think the first one might be different, the shortcut does not work at all in my testing
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> though it could be that the reporter is wrong in his request
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> assuming what the problem is
[19:15] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: same cause anyway
[19:16]  * movedlogger thinks the problem might actually be in the qkeymapper
[19:16] <movedlogger> that thing looks horrible enough to cause this kind of issue
[19:17] <movedlogger> JontheEchidna: there might be more dupes
[19:17] <movedlogger> I have seen at least 10 different reports all going down to the mishandling of keypad input
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> yay, I'm #7 top bug triager now
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> in terms of bugs resolved
[19:20] <apachelogger> because you close em as invalid :P
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> holy crap @ finex though: finex@finex.org  1496
[19:20] <apachelogger> you are all cheating
[19:20] <apachelogger> I am quite sure about that
[19:21] <Nightrose> hehe yea finex is a machine...
[19:24] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: Im disappointed, you havent triaged my bug yet :P
[19:25] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: bug 313314
[19:25] <apachelogger> we don't monitor klear
[19:25] <apachelogger> someone please send me a mail
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: k, sent
[19:26] <apachelogger> thx
[19:26] <apachelogger> *wait*
[19:32] <apachelogger> hm
[19:32] <apachelogger> it appears to me kmail notifications don't work if kmail is embedded in kontact
[19:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: send another mail please
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> k
[19:48] <smarter> apachelogger, JontheEchidna: heya
[19:48] <smarter> anything interesting happened this week? (:
[19:49] <apachelogger> no
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:49] <apachelogger> hm, I don't like when I am right
[19:50] <smarter> we got the first release of kds 9.04 apparently, this is almost interesting, nop? :p
[19:50] <apachelogger> hardly IMHO :P
[19:50] <apachelogger> uh, quassel in main is going to be fun
[19:50] <smarter> yay
[19:50] <apachelogger> no clue how to do that
[19:51] <smarter> I did that sometimes ago for a package
[19:51] <apachelogger> in order to import it's l10n template we need to run it through ts2po
[19:51] <apachelogger> then we can import to rosetta, but rosetta spits po files out and those become mo files
[19:52] <apachelogger> Qt only reads qm files
[19:52] <apachelogger> so we would have to run the quassel po's through po2ts and then compile it using the Qt linguist stuff
[19:52] <apachelogger> pitti is not going to like this
[19:52] <smarter> :P
[19:53] <apachelogger> don't we have some Qt app in main?
[19:55] <seele> ouch
[19:55] <smarter> apachelogger: back? :]
[20:01] <apachelogger> yes
[20:01] <apachelogger> smarter:
[20:02] <smarter> ok
[20:02] <smarter> so, hplip
[20:02] <smarter> and
[20:03] <apachelogger> isn't that pyqt
[20:03] <smarter> dunno
[20:03] <smarter> I found that comment on the main linux french site(http://linuxfr.org): "the KDE packagers of Ubuntu refuse to hear any critic. Their work is of course perfect(for them at least...), so their version is not well done, not well integrated and only suit 2 or 3 people... themselves"
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it is. pyqt3 I think
[20:03] <apachelogger> Depends: hplip, python-qt4, python-qt3, python-reportlab, dbus-x11, gksu | kdebase-bin (<< 4:4.4.0-1) | kdesudo
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> eww @ hplip
[20:05] <smarter> doxygen wizard thingy
[20:05] <smarter> is in Qt
[20:06] <apachelogger> hum
[20:07] <apachelogger> apparently something can generate po from gm or gm from po
[20:07]  * apachelogger just found an example in the gettext-doc package
[20:08] <apachelogger> using qt but po/ contains .po's and .qm's
[20:09] <apachelogger> smarter: -gui is in universe
[20:10] <smarter> doh
[20:11] <apachelogger> ohh
[20:11] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:12] <apachelogger> apparently gettext can create .qm files
[20:12] <smarter> ooooh
[20:12] <apachelogger> the make file makes me wanna cry though :P
[20:13] <smarter> yay, kvpm upstream is alive again and has integrated my patches :)
[20:13]  * JontheEchidna wonders if gtk-qt-engine will integrate his patch...
[20:13] <apachelogger> no
[20:13] <apachelogger> feels dead alright
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> I fixed the backwards/forwards buttons in firefox
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> I guess I should just make a debdiff then
[20:16] <apachelogger> hm
[20:16] <apachelogger> ts2po fails on quassel.ts -.-
[20:18] <apachelogger> why is that python apps never work for me :P
[20:26] <apachelogger> hm
[20:26] <apachelogger> 1.2.1 works, but it has parsing issues it seems
[20:27] <apachelogger> screw that, launchpad should fix their importer
[20:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do we have a bug about the kdm restart options for grub not working?
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> I seem to remember one existing...
[20:27]  * apachelogger wants to get rid of the kds wish for making it default since we can't do that right now anyway
[20:28]  * JontheEchidna searches and faces the 1000 line tag box of the general ubuntu search page
[20:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we have search plugins for launchpad, you know :P
[20:29] <apachelogger> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[20:29] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[20:30] <apachelogger> nothing in kdebase-workspace
[20:30] <apachelogger> so I suppose if there is a bug it is not triaged properly :P
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> maybe bug 107642
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> let's see
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> wrong package
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> nominated for 3 distros with no fix
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> invalidated upstream bug
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[20:31] <apachelogger> it freezes in Kubuntu Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy-Kde3
[20:31] <apachelogger>  it doesn't work in Intrepid
[20:31] <apachelogger> "don't break your kdm and it doesn't freeze"
[20:32]  * apachelogger declines nominitions
[20:32] <apachelogger> without typo
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> I didn't even notice the typo until you mentioned it
[20:33] <apachelogger> oi vei
[20:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would close the bug, since it doesn't appear in KDE 4 anyway
[20:34] <apachelogger> and we can't do much about it for KDE 3
[20:34] <apachelogger> cripple it out of kdm maybe, but that would be a rather crude approach and dangerous as well
[20:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could apply the patch from kde bug 63800
[20:38] <apachelogger> that still would envolve a change menu.lst
[20:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about patching the setting away? :P
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> last time I touched a patch from a third party I got yelled at by upstream
[20:42] <apachelogger> last time I didn't review it
[20:42] <apachelogger> :P
[20:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suggestions for bug 296106
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> I thought you already fixed a log rotation bug
[20:49] <apachelogger> yes
[20:49] <apachelogger> but look at the dates
[20:49] <apachelogger> kdm logged within one day >3GiB
[20:49] <apachelogger> that is anything but normal
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's what I don't get. it should work
[20:49] <apachelogger> well
[20:49] <apachelogger> it only gets rotated daily
[20:49] <apachelogger> I can certainly introduce a max size
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, so if it generates all that in a day it's not a rotating issue
[20:50] <apachelogger> but that would only prevent the filling not resolve whatever is causing so much output ;-)
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> maybe it could be related to the randr patch that filled Xorg.0.log with craploads of data?
[20:50] <apachelogger> that is possible
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> we could ask to see if there's any repitition of lines in the log files
[20:51] <apachelogger> kdm will log some of the Xorg output as well IIRC
[20:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ask him to paste the first 1k lines
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> I think that patch has given us nothing but trouble :(
[20:51]  * apachelogger changes the logrotate file in jaunty
[20:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it is a patch :P
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> but it's from the infallible suse!
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> any packager who views their packages are blinded by their perfection
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> :P
[20:52] <apachelogger> ^_^
[20:53] <apachelogger> fedora's are a lot more sane than suse's
[20:53] <apachelogger> the KDE ones at least
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> but nobody cares about fedora. Suse is perfect, Kubuntu is worse than shit. But nobody cares about fedora
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> on the Dot, anyways
[20:58] <apachelogger> don't trust the dot
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is bug 285831 still the valid for the intrepid?
[21:03]  * apachelogger doesn't have docs
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> probably
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> I can't find the file that was symlinked to the other icon
[21:06]  * JontheEchidna disappears for a whle
[21:06]  * apachelogger googles a doc
[21:08] <apachelogger> for some reason it detects the wrong file type
[21:13] <apachelogger> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=442443
[21:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: I do hope amarok can save us some space.  We really need to get 5.1 into the archive.
[21:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is stopping it right now?
[21:29] <ScottK> Riddell said he wanted server team to approve it.  Perhaps you could talk to zul?
[21:30] <apachelogger> I'll write a mail later on
[21:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: Great.
[21:33] <NCommander> hey ScottK
[21:35] <ScottK> Hey NCommander.
[21:35] <NCommander> ScottK, so I'm now a python-qt4 maintainer in Debian
[21:35] <NCommander> Go figure.
[21:36]  * NCommander is also now a full DD :-)
[21:37] <ScottK> Excellent and congratulations.
[21:41] <smarter> NCommander: congrats :)
[21:42] <nhandler> Congrats NCommander
[21:47] <jjesse> NCommander: congrats
[21:54] <nhandler> NCommander: Care to sponsor a package for me?
[21:57] <crimsun> i did always chuckle that the sponsorship requests increased dramatically after becoming DD/core
[22:00] <NCommander> nhandler, sure
[22:00] <nhandler> NCommander: It is namedd lyricue. It is already in Ubuntu. I uploaded it to mentors.debian.net
[22:00]  * NCommander blows the dust off his sid chroot
[22:00] <NCommander> nhandler, new package, or update?
[22:00] <nhandler> New package
[22:01] <NCommander> nhandler, do you want to send it to experimental or unstable?
[22:02] <nhandler> NCommander: I think unstable should be fine.
[22:03] <NCommander> This made it through Ubuntu NEW?
[22:03] <nhandler> Yes, why?
[22:04] <NCommander> Copyright says its LGPL, but COPYING says its GPL
[22:04] <NCommander> No license headers
[22:04] <nixternal> nhandler: if it is kde4 package, then it goes to experimental fyi
[22:04] <nhandler> nixternal: It isn't
[22:04] <nhandler> NCommander: I'll take another look at it. I didn't do the original packaging for Ubuntu
[22:05] <NCommander> WHoever approved this should really reconsider
[22:05] <NCommander> :_/
[22:05] <NCommander> *:-/
[22:05] <NCommander> Sorry, I can't sponsor this upload.
[22:05] <nhandler> NCommander: No problem. I'll get the copyright stuff sorted out
[22:05] <NCommander> Thanks
[22:05] <NCommander> Feel free to ping me when you wish to try again
[22:06] <NCommander> anyone else want to try and get sponsored?
[22:15] <ScottK> I just added Jaunty to the list of exceptions for the "THIS_SHOULD_GO_IN_UNSTABLE" check so future uploads to expermental should build fine on Jaunty.
[22:17] <ScottK> That's in the Debian pgk-gde svn repo.
[22:27]  * ScottK grumbles about epochs in rsibreak and wonders how the heck we got 4 when Debian has 1.
[22:30] <nixternal> I was talking to toma and he said something about rsibreak needs to be fixed packaging wise, but I cannot remember what needed to be fixed now
[22:38] <nixternal> congrats NCommander on the DD'ship
[22:39] <NCommander> Thanks Nightrose
[22:39] <jussi01> hehe
[22:39] <nixternal> hahhaa, I love it when people do ni<tab>
[22:39] <Nightrose> NCommander: you're welcome ;-)
[22:39] <Nightrose> congratulations btw
[22:39] <nixternal> hahahahaha, booyah
[22:39] <crimsun> you don't realise just how much you rely on tab completion until it's not available in your client, e.g., the fIRC android client
[22:40] <NCommander> damn it
[22:40] <NCommander> nixternal, :-P
[22:41] <ScottK> nixternal: debian/copyright needed some changes in Debian (which I have put in the pkg-kde svn).  Dunno about anything else.
[22:41] <nixternal> OK, couldn't remember what he told me
[22:41] <nixternal> I heard the Mez got chewed out for not including me in the copyright file of katapult for like the past 2+ years in Debian
[22:42] <nixternal> whoops :)
[22:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: the ni<tab> thing would work if $client had more sensible autocompletion
[22:51] <vorian> !info kwin-style-dekorator jaunty
[22:51] <vorian> lies!
[22:52] <nixternal> hehe
[22:52] <vorian> still waiting in the queue
[22:53] <nixternal> vorian: that is supposed to be one of my debian-qt-kde projects... pusling wants me to take it over for him, so expect changes to that in the future
[22:53] <vorian> nixternal: oh cool!
[22:53] <vorian> i made a branch for it, i'd like to help you with it if that's ok :)
[22:54] <nixternal> no problemo
[22:54] <nixternal> if you are already hip on it, you should talk to pusling about taking it over in debian then
[22:55] <vorian> na, you are the wizzard
[22:56] <vorian> the ui part could use a bunch of work.  It would be neeto to have it handle bundles like emerald
[23:00] <apachelogger> hm
[23:04] <apachelogger> this is interesting
[23:04] <apachelogger> apparently .msi and .doc have the same header
[23:04] <nhandler> What is apa	?
[23:05] <nhandler> Why are you examining .msi and .doc files?
[23:05] <apachelogger> ~wp apa
[23:05] <kubotu> Results for apa: 1. APA style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APA_style | 2. Amateur press association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_press_association | 3. Estilo APA: http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estilo_APA
[23:05] <kubotu> [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[23:05] <apachelogger> nhandler: dolphin detects .doc files as windows installer thingies (.msi)
[23:06] <apachelogger> and this is apparently because the header is identical and ksycoca weights the header data higher than the extension in mimetype detection
[23:06] <apachelogger> unlike xdg-mime which correctly recognizes the .doc as ms word
[23:08] <apachelogger> removing the header bit from the freedesktop mimefile makes dolphin work properly
[23:12] <seele> huh.. that's funny
[23:12] <seele> apachelogger: to me, APA style means American Pyschological Association which I use for research papers
[23:13] <apachelogger> you americans :P
[23:13] <apachelogger> oh come on now
[23:13] <apachelogger> microsoft--
[23:14] <apachelogger> only some doc files have that header clash
[23:14] <apachelogger> e.g. ones exported from google docs (i.e. ooo) have a different header and thus get detected properly
[23:39] <apachelogger> I think kde screwed up
[23:40] <jussi01> again? :P
[23:41] <apachelogger> yes
[23:41] <apachelogger> glob elements have a pattern attribute. Any file whose name matches this pattern will be given this MIME type (subject to conflicting rules in other files, of course).
[23:42]  * jussi01 thinks it getting late and he should be in bed...
[23:42] <apachelogger> to me that reads like "any file matching *.doc is msword unless another mimetype gives sufficient conflict to this believe"
[23:43] <apachelogger> the issue is caused by a magic element of the .msi mimetype
[23:43] <apachelogger> and about these elements the spec sez:
[23:43] <apachelogger> magic elements contain a list of match elements, any of which may match, and an optional priority attribute for all of the contained rules. Low numbers should be used for more generic types (such as 'gzip compressed data') and higher values for specific subtypes (such as a word processor format that happens to use gzip to compress the file). The default priority value is 50, and the maximum
[23:44] <apachelogger> considering the .msi magic has a priority of 50 it should not be sufficient conflict
[23:45] <apachelogger> assuming it would a value > 50 if .msi is the one and only file to use a given pattern (because of example it has a gigantic header which doesn't change at all)
[23:45] <apachelogger> s/of example/for example
[23:45]  * apachelogger should also be in bed
[23:53] <apachelogger> freedesktop.org specs are way too unprecise for my liking :P
[23:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: see #amarok
[23:55] <steveire> Hi. I'm trying to find the people resonsible for the nightly builds of kde4 (project neon, right?), or just a good page of info on it. gg: project neon doesn't really have the nuts.
[23:55] <Nightrose> steveire: what do you need?
[23:57] <steveire> I think it could be a far easier way for new developers to get 'trunk' and contribute to modules and applications without having to maintain their own trunk checkout of kdelibs, dependancies changing like libical in the last few months etc. I want to know if the packages install development headers.
[23:57] <Nightrose> you can install them yes
[23:57] <steveire> I know there's also kdesvn-build, but project neon could be easier.
[23:58] <steveire> Nightrose: Do you know who is involved with creating the packages etc?
[23:58] <Nightrose> apachelogger is
[23:58] <steveire> Ah, right. well, apachelogger ping :)