[00:08] .... [00:20] Riddell: Thanks a lot for setting it up. And thanks ScottK for the congrats [00:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM [00:51] Riddell: please take a look at bug 313599 [00:51] Launchpad bug 313599 in kaffeine "libdvdcss-i386.deb not found on kubuntu website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313599 === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [03:52] * ScottK just read the irclog of today's meeting. [03:53] ScottK: You could have just waited a few more hours. Last I hear, nixternal was working on writing up the minutes [03:53] s/hear/heard/ [03:53] I read quickly, so it doesn't matter much. [03:53] bah, I missed the meeting, I notice [03:54] Just as well I wasn't there for the discussions about the "Desktop Experience" team and notifications. [03:54] I'd have ended up being accused of being too negative again. [03:55] IMO if they don't have time to 'fix' notifications in KDE, it's a win for us. [03:58] ScottK: indeed [10:09] apachelogger: hi son [10:12] wow ... [10:12] * mcasadevall a DD ... === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [10:21] NCommander: Debian Developer? [10:22] Yeah [10:22] Just got the "Account Created" email [10:22] ^is [10:22] wow, congratulations :) [10:22] Amazing I lived this long [11:30] * jussi01 huggle NCommander [11:30] what did I do? [11:30] NCommander: Ive just woken up and you rather eloquently handled that guy in #kubuntu [12:01] Nightrose: you better check the amarok packagers list [12:02] Tm_T: hi mom [12:02] Tm_T: how is qt 4.5 coming along? [12:22] apachelogger: thanks - checking now - i got back last night and only now trying to catch up [12:22] !leaving == !catching_up :P [12:22] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [12:23] poor bot [12:24] apachelogger: :P tell that to my family *g* [12:24] cando [12:25] hehe [12:25] Nightrose: also... where are our mobile devices? :P [12:25] meh [12:25] :P [12:25] that is #1056 on my todo list [12:25] * apachelogger thinks we need a new Nightrose because the current one is too busy [12:25] haha [12:25] indeed [12:33] * Hobbsee clones Nightrose, but ends up with a very dark night, and a large rose. [12:33] hrmmm [12:33] *lol* [12:33] * Nightrose kills her clone [12:33] there can only be one true Nightrose [12:34] Hobbsee: sounds like a bug [12:34] Nightrose: that sounds also like a bug [12:35] :/ [12:35] i am a singleton! that is a feature [12:35] not a bug [12:35] not so sure about that [12:35] indeed. [12:36] apachelogger: not well, mind to take a look at it? [12:36] Tm_T: please upload somewhere [12:36] doing [12:38] apachelogger: .dsc or something else too? [12:40] dsc and diff at least [12:41] * apachelogger talkes the dog for a walk [12:42] * Tm_T finds this bit disturbing [12:42] I'm starting to think that my system isn't done for packaging, really [12:46] apachelogger: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/qt4-x11_4.5.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc [12:46] apachelogger: dunno why .diff isn't produced [12:47] apachelogger: but there's tar.gz of sources going anyway now [12:47] apachelogger: see query when you are back [12:47] Tm_T: it means you named the .orig.tar.gz wrongly [12:47] * Tm_T hates this system [12:48] what did you name it? [12:48] Riddell: ummm, right, it doesn't have ~beta1 part, qt4-x11_4.5.0.orig.tar.gz [12:49] bah and bah again ): [12:49] pbuilder fails miserably here, I have 3 broken Qt:s in use here [12:49] for starters =) [12:50] and just to compile Qt takes easily 8 hours here, I notice [12:50] it's more than KDE as whole + some extragear [13:01] I did say it was a beast [13:21] Riddell: I know (: [13:21] and this is kinda educating (:) [13:26] * Tm_T remembers the time when he/she/it used to build qt-copy way too often [14:13] besides quassel and kpackagekit, was there anything else that needed reviewed? i'm not going to bother with kvirc because it looks like the quassel developers are pretty dedicated [14:17] don't think so [14:18] Oo on a fresh jaunty installation openoffice.org-core is the biggest package -.- [15:19] kde rev 905512 [15:19] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=905512&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 905512 | Read path to cube cap image from kwinrc. This is needed for an easy branding by distros. [15:34] ryanakca: ping, do you know the licence on the kubuntu website design? [15:48] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot001.png [15:50] apachelogger: shiny :) [15:52] * Arby returns to wrestling with python thread locking [15:59] Riddell: to my knowledge, all of Matt's stuff is PD... I can check again. The rounding script is under an MIT license. I haven't really thought of what license my work is under, I should probably release it under the PD to make everybody's life easier... [16:00] Riddell: the wiki theme that I'm working on is GPL [16:02] Riddell: For the wiki, I asked around a few days ago if people would rather have links (like kubuntu.org, top right) and a search box, or just a search box like on help.u.c/community/ , and the reply was just a search box. Is that good, or would you like me to go for links and search box? [16:03] just a search box is fine, although a link to kubuntu.org somewhere would make sense [16:09] jussi01: hmm, I can't work out if uni_ on #kubuntu is being deliberately unhelpful [16:10] Riddell: the lack of tab completion suggests to me that he is unfamiliar with irc [16:10] possibly a language issue also [16:13] mm === allee_ is now known as allee [16:36] JontheEchidna: did you ever find what was causing python to crash in jockey-kcm? [16:36] and did the crash look anything like this [16:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/99681/ [16:37] seele, you'll like this: [16:37]

Quassel IRC: The Monolithic build behaves now like a regular IRC client. [16:37]

Quassel IRC: This is to make Quassel suitable for Kubuntu. [16:37] Sput: yay~! [16:38] Arby: for me it crashes right before waitwindow is shown, but I'm not sure that showing the window is causing the crash... [16:38] I marked where it crashes for me with a comment and committed it to bzr [16:38] and yes, that's what the crash looks like :P [16:38] JontheEchidna: yes, I know what causes the issue at waitwindow [16:39] just not how to fix it [16:39] oh, cool. what's the cause? [16:39] it's a problem with class inheritance [16:39] fun [16:39] NewPrinterGUI inherits from kcm-scpk.GUI [16:40] it needs to inherit from .PyKcm _ I think [16:40] The crash that kills kcmshell seems to be to do with funky thread handling [16:40] yeah, same with jockey... [16:40] I've figured out where it occurs in the python code [16:41] but that's about i [16:41] *it [16:41] I was hoping you might have a solution [16:41] I'm somewhat out of my depth now [16:41] inheritance and visibilities are somewhat my weaknesses too, unfortunately [16:42] I _think_ it's that a new thread is created then exits with some kind of non-NULL state [16:42] but I've no idea how to make it exit in a way that makes kcmshell happy [16:43] if GUI() and PyKcm were somehow merged.... [16:43] mabye that would help [16:43] I did look at that, it would be pretty hard [16:43] (for me at least) [16:44] yeah, unforunately I can't even do that with jockey due to its gui backend system... [16:44] it requires a ui to be created as a subclass of an AbstractUI class [16:44] and I can't make it both a subclass of KCModule and AbstractUI, so I have to do that makeui() business [16:45] at least that seems to work [16:45] I thought that was quite neat :) [16:45] aside from crashes :P (don't know if the crashes are related to the makeui method) [16:45] but other than that I was sorta proud for figuring that out [16:46] I'm just waiting for an experience pythonista to look at my code and faint [16:47] show them mine and it'll kill them off [16:47] the GUI code and the underlying bindings to cups are all kind of mixed in together [16:48] you funny python people :P [16:48] but I'm too wary of changing the cups stuff because I don't understand it well enough [16:48] :) [16:48] if you wish to reimplement scpk and jockey in ruby feel free :) [16:48] I've asked some of the jockey dudes for assistance. After Alberto Milone finishes some of his other projects he's offered to take a look at my code [16:49] there might be hope yet! (tm) [16:49] ScottK, Riddell: I think we can gain quite some space through amarok 2 ... it doesn't ship docs yet and doesn't depend on python/ruby anymore [16:49] should give us ~20-30 MiB I guess [16:51] opinions aboug bug 262924 please [16:51] Launchpad bug 262924 in kubuntu-default-settings "[kubuntu] shared folder" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262924 [16:51] would koffice vs openoffice save space? [16:51] and would koffice be a viable alternative by jaunty? [16:51] * apachelogger finds that a pretty workaroundish solution due to our lack of easy sharing capabilities [16:51] JontheEchidna: it's not even out of beta yet [16:51] that said... very unlikely [16:52] I have a feeling we'll be stuck with that ugly behemoth for a while :( [16:52] even if it was "stable" by feature freeze we probably still wouldn't want it [16:52] JontheEchidna: well, since ooo is dying (again) there is hope yet! (tm) :P [16:53] oh, it's dying? [16:53] yes, only <30 devs [16:53] it's such a mess, no wonder [16:53] *nod* [16:53] yeah... [16:54] although at the same time that is surprising since ooo is up there with firefox as "open source software normal people would know of" [16:54] I saw a big discussion on one of the mailing lists proposing that ubuntu adopt some ooo fork [16:54] + IIRC every dev has to agree that sun gains copyright on their code [16:54] I'd suggest they jump over to koffice, but they'd convolute that up into as big of a mess as ooo [16:54] go-ooo or something [16:54] * apachelogger would like some office suite that doesn't bind to either gtk or qt :S [16:55] * Sput suggest writing wxOffice [16:55] * apachelogger pukes [16:55] * JontheEchidna gouges eyes out [16:55] * Sput doesn't clean up [16:56] hm [16:56] change_location(apachelogger) [16:56] moving... === apachelogger is now known as movedlogger [16:57] * jussi01 wants koffice that doesnt crash and is properly compatible with MS formats... [16:57] screw ms formats [16:57] they get replaced by ODF anyways [16:58] JontheEchidna: bug 215383 [16:58] Launchpad bug 215383 in kubuntu-default-settings "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215383 [16:58] where to move it to? [16:58] movedlogger: unfortunately I have to deal with people who dont feel that way. [16:58] * JontheEchidna pointy-clicks [16:58] jussi01 +1 :) [16:59] hm jussi01 and Arby are dealers [16:59] oh dear [16:59] dealers ? [16:59] *shrug* [16:59] can one of you german speakers check this over for me? [16:59] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [17:00] * movedlogger finds the last sentence [17:00] je4d: looking good [17:01] compare to: [17:01] !de [17:01] Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de [17:01] jussi01 even [17:01] je4d: you are looking good though, I am sure [17:01] stdin: who came up with that? :P [17:01] movedlogger: thanks [17:01] movedlogger: maybe we could put an icon plasmoid on the desktop linking to the "About kubuntu" thingy in khelpcenter? [17:01] !-de [17:01] de aliases: deutsch, german, germany - added by Seveas on 2006-07-30 14:17:47 - last edited by Pici on 2008-12-18 15:53:39 [17:02] oh dear [17:02] JontheEchidna: waste of space [17:02] it was probably a bablefish translation to begin with [17:03] JontheEchidna: I would think: context menu of panel (which is kinda unrelated to about kubuntu) OR help -> about kubuntu (which might be confusing for ubuntu us0rs using KDE apps) OR a menu entry (which might be not visible enough) [17:03] stdin: sounds like one anyway ;-) [17:04] maybe clever hax in kde4libs to display the kubuntu version in about kde? [17:04] we can do that using a cmake var for the kde version [17:04] but that doesn't really address the issue completely [17:04] what is replacing k3b in jaunty? [17:04] if you look for information about kubuntu you look for kubuntu, not kde [17:04] seele: we don't know [17:05] wodim!!! [17:05] seele: no one tested k3b trunk for real yet [17:05] apparently it looks decent but no one knows if it actually burns [17:05] I've heard reports of k3b working fine for people [17:05] no first-hand experience though [17:05] wooooooodddimmmm [17:06] * movedlogger thinks jussi01 would want to test it [17:06] wajig <3 [17:06] no, I'm not random (; [17:07] JontheEchidna: how about that: we change About KDE to About Kubuntu and haxx0r the dialog to present KDE as part of the Kubuntu information? [17:07] movedlogger: cheers ;) [17:07] movedlogger: hrm, could be fun... linky to a repo/tarball? [17:07] sounds like a plan, I'd suggest moving it to kde4libs in that case [17:08] jussi01: extragear/multimedia/k3b [17:08] JontheEchidna: aye [17:09] btw, impressive work in k-d-s, lotta bugfixes [17:11] and on the kubuntu-meta/k-d-s triaging in general [17:12] bug 291473 is el strangeo [17:12] Launchpad bug 291473 in meta-kde "WISHLIST: lower the bar for usability fixes to KDE in Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291473 [17:12] * movedlogger hates these god damn bugs that don't belong to the packages they blong to [17:12] we should rename kde-meta and kubuntu-meta [17:12] I hasn't really seen any proposed usability fixes that haven't been accepted due to too high of a bar [17:13] er, that was supposed to be /me, not I hasn't [17:14] JontheEchidna: invalid without precise requests, which should be reported individually against their respective packages anyway [17:14] + minor usability tweaks are not worth the risk of breaking stuff IMHO [17:14] pisses people off ... big time [17:15] even if the tweaks dont' break things :P [17:15] or even if the tweaks trigger a kde bug [17:16] JontheEchidna: you can never be sure that tweaks don't break things [17:17] seele: plasma has a zoom shortcut? [17:17] Yes [17:18] doesn't work [17:18] what is the .desktop validation tool called again? [17:18] desktop-file-validate [17:18] * JontheEchidna install desktop-file-utils [17:19] <3 command-not-found [17:19] ah now it works [17:21] movedlogger: it was disabled in intrepid because there were crash bugs associated with some plasma desktop stuff [17:21] not sure if you've enabled it again and it is still not working? [17:21] * movedlogger is using KDE trunk [17:22] ah.. well then can't do anything about that :) [17:22] neon? [17:22] yes [17:22] anyway [17:22] seele: zoom shortcuts are unified in 4.2 [17:29] our xmodmap is b0rked [17:31] movedlogger: btw diff and all is uploaded now there [17:50] Ok, so some gnome utilities apps don't have icons in the menu in kde since they use icons specific to the gnome icons theme that aren't in the fd.o spec [17:50] who should the report be filed against? [17:51] (config-users.png is an example) [17:52] JontheEchidna: ubuntu-desktop ? [17:53] I mean, would we want to file a bug against xdg to get an icon made standard for a user-configuration app? Or would we want to file a wishlist against kdebase-runtime to get oxygen to make an icon? [17:54] JontheEchidna: first [17:54] JontheEchidna: latter is workaround IMO [17:55] KDE's generic "user" icon isn't exactly xdg-spec'd either though... [17:55] so I guess we can't go filing reports against gnome :P [17:55] we can, as we are not KDE [17:56] we are distro having both GNOME and KDE apps [17:56] (when it suits) [17:57] hm [17:58] JontheEchidna: I don't think config-users is a desireable name anyway [17:58] there ought to be a perferences-desktop-user or something thingy [17:58] I am in the process of telling the reporter of bug 301213 where to shove his reports [17:58] Launchpad bug 301213 in meta-kde "question marks icons after installing package kde in Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301213 [17:58] I have all the others down except those gnomey utils [17:58] JontheEchidna: I would just move it to some gnome package :P [17:59] reports like these make me grumpy [17:59] let them handle it, config-users id not part of the spec so they can't expect KDE to have that icon, so the icon should go to hicolor and not gnome thingy [17:59] s/id/is [17:59] oh hey, you're right [18:00] * movedlogger gets a headache from all the keymap stuff and it's documentation [18:01] * movedlogger thinks X11 changed some mapping [18:01] * Sput points movedlogger to X now using HAL for the layout [18:02] oh dear [18:02] Sput: do you know anything about qt's keymapper? [18:03] what's that supposed to be? [18:03] qt takes the system locale for that, afaik [18:04] anyway, after defining my keymap via HAL, my keys work in KDE and Qt as expected [18:06] Sput: got a guide for that? [18:06] anyway [18:06] Qt somehow harcodes keycodes [18:07] so for example it can't process LighBulb [18:07] light even [18:08] movedlogger: it's used with evdev, google for 10-keymap.fdi [18:14] this makes we wanna cry [18:15] Sput: only works with evdev? [18:15] think so [18:15] not an option then [18:15] * movedlogger would like standard key codes -.- [18:17] There is an still unfinished driver in X11 for using the /dev/input/event* devices which give much better access to the input event that the legacy raw mode. The X11 driver is named evdev like the kernel module providing these devices. It currently uses a hand crafted, compiled in table to map linux keycodes to X keysyms. If it could be extended to use the xkbd machinery it would be a good replacement for the kbd driver. [18:20] * smarter waves [18:30] Riddell: I would think it makes much more sense to reduce our xmodmap to keycodes that can be identified as almost-standard and create xkb files for others [19:03] JontheEchidna: I think I closed a bug similar to bug 243582 [19:03] Launchpad bug 243582 in kde4libs "unable to switch desktops with some key combinations" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243582 [19:05] ahhh [19:05] JontheEchidna: IIRC there was some bug about keypad not being usable [19:10] movedlogger: that was about it not working with high Fn numbers by default, iirc [19:10] or maybe someone else closed that one... [19:10] yeah [19:10] just noticed [19:12] afternoon [19:12] hai vorian [19:12] hi movedlogger [19:12] JontheEchidna: do you have bko karma? [19:12] yus [19:13] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=144386 [19:14] KDE bug 144386 in general "shortcuts: please allow to optionally differentiate normal keys from keypad" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] [19:14] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177180 [19:14] KDE bug 177180 in shortcuts "Keyboard shortcuts with numeric keypad do not work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [19:14] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173974 [19:14] KDE bug 173974 in keys "Can't bind shortcuts to numeric keypad keys" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [19:14] whee, dupes [19:15] I think the first one might be different, the shortcut does not work at all in my testing [19:15] though it could be that the reporter is wrong in his request [19:15] assuming what the problem is === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [19:15] JontheEchidna: same cause anyway [19:16] * movedlogger thinks the problem might actually be in the qkeymapper [19:16] that thing looks horrible enough to cause this kind of issue [19:17] JontheEchidna: there might be more dupes [19:17] I have seen at least 10 different reports all going down to the mishandling of keypad input === movedlogger is now known as apachelogger [19:19] yay, I'm #7 top bug triager now [19:19] in terms of bugs resolved [19:20] because you close em as invalid :P [19:20] holy crap @ finex though: finex@finex.org 1496 [19:20] you are all cheating [19:20] I am quite sure about that [19:21] hehe yea finex is a machine... [19:24] JontheEchidna: Im disappointed, you havent triaged my bug yet :P [19:25] JontheEchidna: bug 313314 [19:25] Launchpad bug 313314 in klear "Klear gives an error on opening" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/313314 [19:25] we don't monitor klear [19:25] someone please send me a mail [19:26] apachelogger: k, sent [19:26] thx [19:26] *wait* [19:32] hm [19:32] it appears to me kmail notifications don't work if kmail is embedded in kontact [19:33] JontheEchidna: send another mail please [19:34] k [19:48] apachelogger, JontheEchidna: heya [19:48] anything interesting happened this week? (: [19:49] no [19:49] lol [19:49] hm, I don't like when I am right [19:50] we got the first release of kds 9.04 apparently, this is almost interesting, nop? :p [19:50] hardly IMHO :P [19:50] uh, quassel in main is going to be fun [19:50] yay [19:50] no clue how to do that [19:51] I did that sometimes ago for a package [19:51] in order to import it's l10n template we need to run it through ts2po [19:51] then we can import to rosetta, but rosetta spits po files out and those become mo files [19:52] Qt only reads qm files [19:52] so we would have to run the quassel po's through po2ts and then compile it using the Qt linguist stuff [19:52] pitti is not going to like this [19:52] :P [19:53] don't we have some Qt app in main? [19:55] ouch [19:55] apachelogger: back? :] [20:01] yes [20:01] smarter: [20:02] ok [20:02] so, hplip [20:02] and [20:03] isn't that pyqt [20:03] dunno [20:03] I found that comment on the main linux french site(http://linuxfr.org): "the KDE packagers of Ubuntu refuse to hear any critic. Their work is of course perfect(for them at least...), so their version is not well done, not well integrated and only suit 2 or 3 people... themselves" [20:03] yeah, it is. pyqt3 I think [20:03] Depends: hplip, python-qt4, python-qt3, python-reportlab, dbus-x11, gksu | kdebase-bin (<< 4:4.4.0-1) | kdesudo [20:04] eww @ hplip [20:05] doxygen wizard thingy [20:05] is in Qt [20:06] hum [20:07] apparently something can generate po from gm or gm from po [20:07] * apachelogger just found an example in the gettext-doc package [20:08] using qt but po/ contains .po's and .qm's [20:09] smarter: -gui is in universe [20:10] doh [20:11] ohh [20:11] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [20:12] apparently gettext can create .qm files [20:12] ooooh [20:12] the make file makes me wanna cry though :P [20:13] yay, kvpm upstream is alive again and has integrated my patches :) [20:13] * JontheEchidna wonders if gtk-qt-engine will integrate his patch... [20:13] no [20:13] feels dead alright [20:13] I fixed the backwards/forwards buttons in firefox [20:15] I guess I should just make a debdiff then [20:16] hm [20:16] ts2po fails on quassel.ts -.- [20:18] why is that python apps never work for me :P [20:26] hm [20:26] 1.2.1 works, but it has parsing issues it seems [20:27] screw that, launchpad should fix their importer [20:27] JontheEchidna: do we have a bug about the kdm restart options for grub not working? [20:27] I seem to remember one existing... [20:27] * apachelogger wants to get rid of the kds wish for making it default since we can't do that right now anyway [20:28] * JontheEchidna searches and faces the 1000 line tag box of the general ubuntu search page [20:29] JontheEchidna: we have search plugins for launchpad, you know :P [20:29] kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [20:29] !info kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [20:29] kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (source: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts): Konqueror shortcuts for the Kubuntu wiki, Ubuntu Docs, Launchpad and more. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6 (intrepid), package size 5 kB, installed size 92 kB [20:30] nothing in kdebase-workspace [20:30] so I suppose if there is a bug it is not triaged properly :P [20:30] maybe bug 107642 [20:30] Launchpad bug 107642 in kdebase "Restart to another grub entry locks screen in Kubuntu" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107642 [20:31] let's see [20:31] wrong package [20:31] nominated for 3 distros with no fix [20:31] invalidated upstream bug [20:31] \o/ [20:31] it freezes in Kubuntu Feisty, Gutsy, Hardy-Kde3 [20:31] it doesn't work in Intrepid [20:31] "don't break your kdm and it doesn't freeze" [20:32] * apachelogger declines nominitions [20:32] without typo [20:33] I didn't even notice the typo until you mentioned it [20:33] oi vei [20:33] JontheEchidna: I would close the bug, since it doesn't appear in KDE 4 anyway [20:34] and we can't do much about it for KDE 3 [20:34]