[11:15] <mdke> is Ubuntu's "Add to Panel" dialogue customised from the Gnome version, or the same?
[17:14] <Maggie> I am not able to use flashdrive on my pc...I use Hardy plz help!
[17:21] <Maggie> I am not able to use flashdrive on my pc...I use Hardy plz help!
[19:36] <PrivateVoid> anyone know why a computer would have 'jerky' performance unless the mouse was being moved or glxgears was being run?
[19:40] <dobey> lots of I/O bound activity
[19:41] <dobey> something eating up a lot of memory, and causing stuff to swap
[19:45] <PrivateVoid> dobey, so why would moving the mouse or running glxgears actually help?
[19:46] <PrivateVoid> I could see it if the jerkiness was when glxgears was running, but not having it be smooth when I am running it...
[19:51] <dobey> what do you mean by "jerky" performance?
[19:52] <PrivateVoid> Well... the apps would take an odd time to launch...
[19:52] <PrivateVoid> but the most indicative thing was running System Monitor
[19:53] <PrivateVoid> the graphs would update in a jerky pattern instead of a smooth flow...
[19:53] <PrivateVoid> then when I would move the mouse... or if I ran glxgears the graphs would update smoothly as they do on my other systems
[19:53] <dobey> i don't know why that would be, no
[19:54] <PrivateVoid> ok...
[19:54] <dobey> unless tracker is indexing stuff, and moving the mouse, and glxgears, cause it to cease doing so until idle again
[19:54] <dobey> or something similar to that
[19:54] <PrivateVoid> that is where I got after 14.5 hours of trying to figure it out...
[19:55] <PrivateVoid> It was a fresh install... with the proprietary drivers loaded for Nvidia
[19:55] <PrivateVoid> and that was it...
[20:13] <johanbr> Sounds like an interrupt problem. And/or ACPI.
[20:15] <PrivateVoid> johanbr, could be ACPI... on the interrupt...
[20:15] <PrivateVoid> or I meant
[20:15] <PrivateVoid> it was on an ASUS X83Vm-X1...
[20:16] <PrivateVoid> if it was ACPI... then moving the mouse and running glxgears basically forced it to not use power management?
[20:16] <PrivateVoid> that would link the two items together
[20:51] <johanbr> PrivateVoid: maybe. You could try changing cpufreq governor. Or booting with "acpi=off". Or with "noapic nolapic".
[20:54] <PrivateVoid> that is an option... I this it might be he acpi -- apparently the bios on the machine doesn't handle it properly... from some posts I am finding
[20:54] <PrivateVoid> but for a laptop that kind of sucks
[20:55] <PrivateVoid> thanks for the advice johanbr
[20:55] <johanbr> no problem
[20:56] <PrivateVoid> using acpi=off turns off power management right?
[20:57] <johanbr> yes
[20:58] <johanbr> That could possibly have consequences for thermal management, so make sure the laptop doesn't get too hot.
[21:00] <PrivateVoid> I guess I return this laptop...
[21:01] <PrivateVoid> I do not want to run Windows...... and Linux appears to be having issues on it...
[21:01] <PrivateVoid> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11541
[21:01] <PrivateVoid> that appears related...
[21:02] <PrivateVoid> might be the bios ASUS is using...
[21:03] <PrivateVoid> thought that is a different model... it is logical that they are using similar bioses
[21:04] <johanbr> According to one comment, booting with "noapic nolapic" works.
[21:04] <johanbr> Sorry, I mean "nosmp nolapic".
[21:10] <PrivateVoid> yeah...
[21:10] <PrivateVoid> it does work... but the trade off is severe for a laptop
[21:14] <PrivateVoid> found this too johanbr - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-bugs/2008-11/msg04598.html
[21:15] <PrivateVoid> the N80Vm is basically the same machine too
[21:15] <johanbr> I wouldn't despair too much. Did you try "noapic nolapic" ?
[21:16] <PrivateVoid> not yet
[21:16] <PrivateVoid> these are talking about booting issues... I am getting jerky performance... I guess they could be related.
[21:19] <johanbr> Very likely. The issue seems to be that the machine has a buggy ACPI implementation.
[21:24] <PrivateVoid> I think it goes back tomorrow...
[21:24] <PrivateVoid> it is still within my 14 day return period
[21:24] <PrivateVoid> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9050055&type=product&id=1218012612475
[21:25] <PrivateVoid> sucks to give up an LED lit monitor and such great specs... (they are actually on sale for $794 right now) for that price...
[21:25] <PrivateVoid> but I will find a replacement johanbr -- any laptop recommendations?
[21:26] <johanbr> I have a Dell laptop that I'm pretty happy with, and they're sold with ubuntu preinstalled.
[21:27] <johanbr> My only complaint is that the backlight gave up a while ago, but that was covered by warranty.
[21:27] <PrivateVoid> you using the X3100 graphics or Nvidia?
[21:30] <johanbr> Nvidia. Which I'm beginning to regret.
[21:30] <johanbr> I don't need powerful graphics anyway, and the closed-source nvidia drivers sometimes have issues.
[21:39] <cj> so... unplugging a vga cable from a dell netbook doesn't switch desktop orientation, resolution, etc
[21:41] <cj> ibex
[21:41] <cj> who do I work with to make it happen?
[21:41] <cj> I'll take my answer off the air :)
[21:48] <dobey> johanbr: so use the open source drivers, and forgo fancy 3d bits for a while :)
[21:52] <MetaTron> night
[22:02] <johanbr> dobey: I think nouveau is still a bit too bleeding-edge for my taste.
[22:07] <dobey> johanbr: i'm not talking about noveau
[22:08] <johanbr> nv? last I tried, that didn't work with my card
[22:08] <dobey> yeah
[22:08] <dobey> oh