[00:23] hey guys [00:24] i've been using 7.10 since it was released... i've not had any reason to update because its worked flawlessly, i was just wondering what the upgrade path was (if its at all possible) [00:30] jduggan, $ sudo update-manager -c [00:31] well well [00:31] ya [00:31] that was great [00:31] until it causes segfault [00:31] :| [00:31] however you need to make sure to upgrade all your machines if you have more than one [00:32] weird, i get my gdm login just fine [00:32] jduggan, yea, now I recall the update manager bug [00:32] when it tries to auto login it faults [00:32] no no, its updated [00:32] i just rebooted [00:32] what? [00:32] it'll load X to gdm, but when it tries to auto login i get a segfault [00:32] and go back to GDM [00:32] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1920x1080+0+0" [00:33] Fatal server error: [00:33] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [00:33] hmm [00:34] jduggan, so what is your issue, you are talking about several things [00:35] heh ok... after i asked about the best way to upgrade... i thought meh, i may aswell atleast update... i've updated and rebooted [00:35] now it loads to GDM [00:36] when it tries to autologin i get my xfce desktop, but i get a segfault, and it reverts back to GDM [00:36] wait for it to try autologging in again and it does the same thing [00:36] only since i updated though =] [00:36] jduggan, updated how? [00:37] using the update software in the system menu [00:37] ok [00:37] well run this first before doing anything else: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [00:38] i just dist-upgraded [00:38] its updated my kernel [00:38] awaiting reboot =] [00:39] there were several bugs around update-manager and gdm back in the generation of software you are talking about [00:40] i was using weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org [00:41] but i havent updated for about 10months [00:41] since it worked *tm* [00:41] ;p [00:41] thats a looooong time in our release cycles [00:41] yep [00:41] but you know the saying [00:41] why update if it aint broke? [00:41] yup [00:41] why fix what aint broke ;) [00:41] what's the best approach to get updated [00:42] can i s/gutsy/hardy/ in sources.list [00:42] and update? [00:42] or is that not safe [00:42] I have had that break stuffs before [00:43] update-manager is the best way to go for the most part [00:52] woo [00:52] kernel update and updated my nvidia from 169 to 173 [00:52] i got the myth menu it seems [00:52] lets hope everything still works :) [00:52] which kernel? [00:53] 2.6.22-16-generic [00:53] thats still a long ways back [00:53] yea im running 7.10.. [00:53] one step at a time [00:53] well, as I said before [00:54] sudo update-manager -c [00:54] now that you have that other issue resolved [00:57] and on a complete tangent, i've read (and also seen for myself on their site), that IMDB have been making it more difficult for scrapers to grab information, do the scripts still work in latest (stable) mythtbuntu? I've been slowly transcoding all my DVD's and at some point need to import them into mythvideo =] [00:58] it would be a pain to manually insert all the metadata =] [00:58] jduggan, yes, at this point they do still work [00:59] ok [00:59] well [00:59] *gulp* [00:59] i hope i havent made a mistake [00:59] its updating to 8.04 LTS [00:59] i guess after thats done i can go to 8.10? [01:00] yea [01:00] just run the same thing again after the reboot [01:00] excellent [01:00] i bought a dvb-s card like 4 months ago [01:00] kept meaning to install it but wanted to wait till i updated [01:01] never had the nerve [01:01] but oh well =] [01:01] guess now i need to buy a dish to go with it :P [01:01] it should be alright [01:01] (thanks for your assistance btw) [01:01] np [01:06] just backed up my lircd.conf... it took me a lifetime to find the codes for my cable STB.. don't want to risk losing them :P [01:07] good idea [01:07] just to make things easy, if anything with lirc pops up during the upgrades just select Custom [01:07] that should keep it from changing things [01:20] seems it didnt like me hitting 'cancel' on setting my lirc device type [01:20] i didnt wanna change it [01:20] :o [01:36] foxbuntu: here? [01:48] nm :) [02:56] Hello. I would like to know if there is some way to give the network manager permanent access to the "key ring", which it ask permission for when mythbuntu loads up. The NM holds my whole computer up until I either give it a password or cancel the dialog. [02:59] !network manager [02:59] Sorry I don't know about network manager [02:59] !keyring [02:59] Sorry I don't know about keyring [03:02] anyone with a better reference for this, than I get from the channel bot? heh.. :) [03:31] hello folks, just installed the 9.04 alpha2 release, and i cannot figure out how to get X working correctly. It loads up the liveCD just fine, but after install, all I get on my TV is a stretched version of the desktop background, and I cannot do a ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a TTY and troubleshoot. [03:32] it is nvidia video via HDMI. [03:32] (The only reason for the 9.04 attempt was to get the HDMI audio... since there was no kernel support for it in 8.10) [03:33] guys in the key settings menu, if i try and create add a remote button under the escape action and it says 'Add key 'S'?' is that S coming from my lircrc somewhere? [03:33] aha! [03:33] ignore [03:48] hi all [03:48] Hello htpc! [03:48] I just installed mythbuntu [03:48] !hi [03:48] Hi $nick, how are you? Something we can help you with today? [03:48] but wireless seems to not have been detected [03:49] also, bluetooth has been detetcted, even though I don't (think) i have bluetooth in this comp [03:49] (same issue?) [03:50] someone want to help me get wireless going? [03:52] kernel issue? [03:53] but you have to know for sure whether or not you have bluetooth [03:53] an lspci would help immensley [03:54] http://pastey.net/105511 [03:55] Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) [03:55] is that it? [03:55] phunyguy, ok, I do not have bluetooth, I do have a pan0 device, and dmesg shows various bluetoothy things [03:55] phunyguy, yes, thats the wireless pci card I want to get working [03:55] ok that is odd about the bluetooth [03:56] http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/marvell-88w8335-chipset-netgear-wg311-pcicard-driver/ [03:56] Yucky [03:56] well there you go. [03:56] some good info there even though ndiswrapper can be a pain. [03:56] in fact, wireless in general can be a pain in linux. [03:57] yeah [03:57] in the past I've luckily had no issues [03:57] Na, supported chips are easy these days [03:57] and everything has seemed to work with wireless [03:57] really? [03:57] I gave up a couple years back on wireless [03:57] i think I've just been lucky with hardware [03:57] Intel is pretty safe, boot up and network manager asks what network you want to connect to. [03:58] As with Atheros [03:58] just ran an ethernet cord to the bathroom becasue the only reason i would need wireless is if i had to unplug and keep chatting while on the john [03:58] :P [03:58] Doing a locate libertas on my Interpis system here shows a driver which I believe is native for that Marvell chip [03:58] omg. the link for the windows drivers is downloading at a whole 1KB/s [03:59] speedy! [03:59] That info could be out of date though I know nothing about it. [03:59] don't burn out your network card! [03:59] I'm really hoping I don't have issues with my tv card [03:59] I always do though :( [03:59] which card? [04:00] hads@sodium:~$ aptitude search libertas [04:00] p libertas-firmware - Firmware for Marvell's 8388 (libertas) wireless chips [04:00] seems to have been picked up well this time around though [04:00] which card? [04:00] have to wait to get the wireless working before I can bring my comp near an aerial though [04:00] phunyguy, aavermedia 761 [04:00] (dvb-t) [04:00] ahh [04:00] yeah i have a dvb based card as well [04:00] dvico fusion [04:01] You use DVB and call the toilet a john? [04:01] :) [04:01] i was being polite. [04:01] its my first time in here [04:01] not sure of the etiquette [04:02] Yeah, polite is good. [04:03] Toilet isn't impolite though :) [04:03] lol ok [04:03] anyways. [04:03] did you see my question above? [04:03] for reference: card support page is here: http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/WG311v3.asp [04:03] (for the wireless I have) [04:03] can't for the life of me get 9.04 working. [04:03] livecd boots fine in a proper resolution. [04:04] hads, what do I do with that firmware package? [04:04] but as soon as it installs, i get a stretched background top to bottom, and thats all it is. [04:04] ndiswrapper? [04:04] have to load it with that [04:04] htpc: No idea, I've never used a Marvell chipset but you may need it. [04:04] i think? [04:04] phunyguy: Talking about a native driver. [04:04] a lot of wireless manufacturers put the firmware in teh driver [04:04] is it? [04:05] but that thing just says firmware [04:05] which is what had me guessing. [04:05] Yeah, there is a libertas kernel module though. [04:05] You're right though the firmware could be either. [04:05] well i obviously know nothing about it so i will shut up [04:05] :P [04:06] mmm., well, the new firmware is in exe form [04:06] how would I extract it? [04:06] ahh that you are on your own [04:06] i can't remember although there are utils for it [04:06] I assume you're talking about somehting you randomly downloaded not the package. [04:06] but all you should need from the exe is the firmware [04:06] (which is in the package) [04:07] hads that was one of the things to do back in the day [04:07] hads, I grabbed the latest driver from the netgear site [04:07] download the windows driver and pull the firmware out [04:07] its been a few years though [04:07] Yes though I'm suggesting to try the native driver. [04:08] as would i [04:09] do you folks know anything about HDMI audio not working in mythbuntu for some newer nvidia chipsets? [04:10] * hads doesn't use HDMI sorry [04:10] meh [04:10] the bleeding edge i guess. [04:10] DSUB is easy :) [04:10] phunyguy, most chipsets don't play nice via HDMI yet [04:11] was trying to keep it simple because my surround reciever has hdmi in and out to make it liek a passthrough [04:11] when the reciever is off it passes the HDMI audio to the TV [04:11] when on it puts it out the speakers and silences the HDMI to the TV [04:11] that would be so sweet to get working. [04:11] Handy [04:11] but i can't even get my SPDIF working so i have nothing to the reciever. [04:11] phunyguy, I have own www.foxmediasystems.com, working on the HDMI issue and have been testing with Intel, nVidia, and ATI [04:11] :( [04:11] I don't think I've turned off my receiver for a year or so [04:12] Haven't seen that link for a while foxbuntu you must be slacking ;) [04:12] i had stability issues with a prior ATI motherboard but the HDMI worked great :( [04:12] sweet foxbuntu! [04:12] well you have a fan [04:12] <--- [04:12] because i hate wasting money - lol [04:13] hads, well I have been in Europe ;) [04:14] so is there any new progress? I know with my chipset the kernel didnt even support it until 2.6.28 [04:14] so yeah i can understand it is very new. [04:14] phunyguy, well, though I whore my website out allot (as hads will mention), other than that I generally just try to contribute to the project as I can [04:14] i guess I can deal with tv sound for now :( [04:14] ive had this reciever for like 6 months and watched one movie with it [04:14] phunyguy, yes, there has been lots of progress [04:15] now its a $300 FM radio [04:15] :) [04:15] phunyguy, stuff has been coming in from upstream all the time, but as you mentioned, its bleeding edge [04:15] it will get better [04:15] phunyguy: Just get a 3.5mm to RCA jack and run with it 'til you get digital going. [04:15] it always does. [04:15] i have [04:15] ...to the TV [04:16] move it to the receiver [04:16] but its a plasma....with crappy speakers. [04:16] well thats the other thing [04:16] i dont want the reciever going all the time [04:16] Or if your TV has outputs run it back from there. [04:16] i know you have it like that, but its not for me - my house is too small. [04:16] that also isnt as easy [04:16] my wires run in the wall. [04:16] the wall will fall apart soon if i keep pullin wires. [04:17] hehe [04:17] :) [04:17] but if that is what I have to do... man I even ran surround speakers. [04:17] (had to crawl through vaulted ceilings in the attic :( [04:17] ) [04:18] Yeah, not much fun. [04:19] I have to go terminate 60 cat5's next week, at least I got out of pulling them. [04:19] my reciever also doesn't have RCA in for 5.1 [04:19] well it does but that is SPDIF [04:19] lucky you! [04:19] hads, thats too bad, its been many years since I have done that [04:19] im lucky if i can remember the wire order. [04:19] missed CCNA by two points. [04:20] :( [04:20] hads, my bill rate is far more than an electrician so i refer that off to my clients [04:20] needed 849 - got 847. [04:20] Yeah, I don't do it often, friends built a new office/yard so am doing them a favour. [04:20] but that was 3 years ago, i would have to retake it by now anyway - lol [04:20] hads, ah...friends/family always bring out the fun stuff [04:21] Sure do, even the occasional Windows cleaning session. I usually get out of that though :) [04:22] ok so i am out of luck with the HDMI thing. no big deal I can get video working in 8.10 again, so I will let 9.04 be an alpha. [04:22] was worth a shot. [04:22] hads, yea...lol, I generally just say,"hmm, hard to say, could be many things" promptly followed by me changing the subject [04:23] I usually use the "I haven't used Windows for years, try Pete he uses it all the time" :) [04:23] and hads - lol @ windows cleaning session. I do that for a living. [04:23] well not so much that anymore... [04:23] i got promoted to a deskjob involving some server management that directly relates do windows desktop stuff. [04:24] mainly software deployments, and remote installations of Windows [04:24] you know... the fun stuff. [04:24] phunyguy, yea...fun [04:24] you know what was funny? I was at a meeting with a Microsoft developer. [04:25] we were talking about PVRs [04:25] * hads hasn't had to do that "fun" stuff for several years [04:25] HE USES MYTHTV [04:25] :P [04:25] i chuckled. [04:25] phunyguy, many do [04:25] hads, I didnt want to say it ;) [04:25] he said it like he was telling me about something i never heard before... [04:25] so i chuckled alot. [04:26] yeah yeah [04:26] well, i got into the IT stuff a tad late. [04:26] joined the military and picked the wrong job like a doofus. [04:26] wasted 4 years, then went into IT [04:26] 5 years later... im doing OK! [04:27] phunyguy, yea...takes a long time, im 10+ in [04:27] ...although im tired of people asking me questions and being so relied on [04:28] very true. [04:28] I only went in to IT in about '99, I like to think I learn quick though. [04:28] well I have been a lifetime in the hobby... [04:28] Used to drive for a living. [04:28] Yeah that too. [04:28] but you dont really learn anything until it becomes a career [04:29] my dad is a computer junkie [04:29] but he never had a career in IT [04:29] i still learned a lot from him growing up though [04:29] Any of you guys heading to linux.conf.au? [04:29] hads, yea, I am a quick study too [04:29] au(stralia)? [04:29] Yah [04:29] hads, I would love to [04:29] ...about that.... [04:29] but alsa no [04:29] There's a myth miniconf too. [04:30] lol @ the alsa typo [04:30] you HAVE been working the issue ;) [04:30] hmm [04:30] intresting [04:30] I did put alsa where i needed alas [04:31] yes you did! [04:31] thought it was comical. [04:32] phunyguy, I have motherboards all the over the place and have installed and compiled alsa so many times and different ways its sickening [04:33] i bet! [04:33] i suppose I should have come in here for suggestions before I dropped some money on hardware, huh... [04:34] phunyguy, meh, most hardware works in time [04:34] well. [04:34] i have my wife breathing down my neck threatening to sell the paperweight [04:34] :P [04:35] ...and this is the second motherboard. the first was a Gigabyte ATi that worked better but performed worse (if that makes sense) [04:35] the video performance stunk, and it crashed at various times while i was hitting the down arrow on remote or keyboard [04:35] after dealing with multiple types of boards, no [04:35] er [04:35] I mean I understand [04:36] but everything worked as advertised. [04:37] *sigh* [04:37] well good luck with the HDMI stuff, we are counting on you ;) [04:37] haha [04:38] I am a mere drop in the great alsa pond [04:38] is there an ETA? [04:38] just curoius. [04:38] <10 years [04:38] oh comon thats not nice :( [04:38] lol [04:39] will there be any way for me to follow along with progress? [04:39] keep track of the alsa project [04:40] how did i know you would say that ;) [04:40] is there any way at all to get it working temp? [04:40] i did find some interesting posts about /etc/asound.conf [04:40] but that is all greek to me. [04:41] phunyguy, well there is no temp to it, it either works or doesnt atm [04:41] *cry* [04:42] phunyguy, you can run: aplay -L [04:42] post the output [04:42] ok [04:42] want aplay -l as well? [04:42] I might be able to give you some hope [04:42] no [04:42] they both produce different resultsd [04:42] i know [04:42] aplay -L doesnt have any digital devices in there [04:42] so need i not bother? [04:42] aplay -L doesnt list HDMI? [04:42] aplay -l does [04:43] aplay -L doesnt [04:43] ok [04:43] so im hosed? [04:43] then you prob wont get it working from what I have seen [04:43] laff - ok [04:43] I will stick with 8.10 then [04:43] yes [04:43] (and the 2.2.27 kernel tree) [04:44] 9.04 is still early for a live system [04:44] i see that [04:44] X worked like a champ (not) [04:44] at least on 8.10 i got vesa :P [04:44] and 1080p after a quick xorg.conf update [04:45] option "TVStandard" "1080p" [04:45] or something [04:45] i have it written down [04:45] do you know of any known-working chipsets? [04:46] i could always sell off this mobo [04:46] buy a new one [04:46] I know several that claim to be, and I own several of them [04:46] :-D [04:46] any mATX? [04:46] all are mATX [04:46] any recommendations? [04:48] phunyguy, Intel G45, the same Audio issue atm, but Intel has the best set of drivers of the bunch and will prob be the first with the HDMI audio working [04:48] meh [04:48] and the video has the best performance [04:48] i guess i should have been more specific [04:49] I'm not an intel fan. [04:49] Intel rocks [04:49] why? [04:49] i have always been a supported or AMD [04:49] for years. [04:49] lol [04:49] Though Nvidia has VD POW now [04:49] let me try that again [04:49] I have always been a supporter of AMD [04:50] phunyguy, I used to be until I started this business and my testing [04:50] VD? Venerial Disease? [04:50] VDPAU :) [04:50] laff. [04:50] well. [04:50] i guess I am just doomed to wait then [04:50] But yeah, Intel rocks. Graphics, Network and CPU's [04:50] ;) [04:51]