[00:31] mother fucking niggers [00:32] way to go [00:37] nickspoon, please dont. [00:37] Oh, come on. [00:38] I won't do it again :) [00:38] nickspoon, ops arent allowed to have fun. [00:38] Pah, says who? [00:39] says the shitstorm that will eventuate if you keep the current thing up. hell, we had to stop play-kicking other ops becuase the poor little offtopicers were scared [00:40] !language > elkbuntu [00:40] elkbuntu, please see my private message [00:45] I've been in #u-o a fair while now and as far as I could tell no play-kicks ever did any harm. I will relent, however - I shouldn't want to incur the wrath of the important ops :) [00:46] nickspoon, wait until lynoure sees a play-kick, or someone else who likes to accuse us of abuse. [00:47] nickspoon, we're not even supposed to preemptively op up in a dispute. they scream bullying if we do. [00:47] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:48] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [00:48] then complain if we warn, as warning is bullying [00:48] then complain that we dont give warnings [00:49] nickspoon, it might look fun from the user side, but it's not. Trolls have more leeway than we do. [00:50] I'll grant you that I haven't been in here at all, but really this sounds an awful lot like whiny users getting their way. [00:51] it is. [00:51] that's how -offtopic has got to the trashpit it is today [00:52] most of the regulars are those whiny users [00:52] i mean, just the other week i got accused of not participating in -offtopic [00:53] by wobblywu [00:53] the proliferation of ubuntu irc channels still scares me. but i might just be showing my age :) [00:53] such as which? [00:54] well, such as all of them. but then, i remember the discussion about hiving the ubuntu-devel mailing list off the ubuntu one :) [00:54] heh [00:55] I don't know of any regulars who complain about joke kicks. The only times people have complained (in #u-o at least) is when they don't understand why they were kicked. [00:56] Or why X was kicked. [00:57] nickspoon, it's not the sort of thing you notice until you're one of us. [00:57] I suppose not. [00:58] One of us! [00:58] people will complain about most things [00:59] I'd rather we leave +o alone unless it is needed. [00:59] in fact, whatever you do, someone will probably complain [00:59] Seeker`++ [01:01] and if you are an op long enough, you'll probably pick up a group of followers that will complain about everything you do no matter what it is [01:02] Which is why I don't want to be an op for any more than #u-o. [01:04] bedtime I think [01:04] night [01:31] Seeker`, and their complaining takes our time. it's a matter of if you have time to be screamed at. most of us dont. [01:31] nickrud, -ot is probably the hardest one to be op of. [01:32] errrr nickspoon [01:32] too many nicks [01:32] yep. [01:32] * nickrud eyes nickspoon, again [01:32] he left [01:32] i didnt read what popped up with tab complete [01:32] before I joined obviously. But we've been down this road before, us two [01:33] heh [01:34] his nick is about the only one I write fully, every time [02:46] Jack_Sparrow: hello. [02:46] Hi.. [02:46] lol pm [02:46] We tried letting users make their own factoids but it got out of control fast.. now they can suggest them, and they get approved or denied [02:47] ok [02:47] 9:46:28 PM: he has a masters option [02:47] 9:46:40 PM: u can set it to just the staff [02:47] 9:46:45 PM: er i can set it [02:47] patx: So, how would it be any different than ubottu? [02:48] idk... he can run in whatever channel u want him to... [02:48] Flannel, ty [02:48] patx: We already have bots in all the channels we want them in [02:48] Thank you though, but we've got it covered. [02:48] is there anyway he can get a cloak then? [02:49] patx: Not an Ubuntu cloak, no. You'd have to talk to freenode staff to get some other cloak; I'm not sure how unaffiliated cloaks work for bots. [02:49] i have one of those already [02:50] patx: right, I meant for your bot. [02:50] he has one of them to lol [02:50] Oh, you have one. [02:50] Why would we give some arbitrary bot an Ubuntu cloak? [02:50] unaffiliated/patx/bot/patxbot [02:50] because he would be in ur channels [02:51] patx: Again, thanks for offering, but we don't need any additional bots at this time. [02:51] k [02:52] can u think of any other irc chanel with cloaks that need bots... i came here cos i use ubuntu [02:52] Not off the top of my head, nope [02:54] k ty again [02:54] patx: Is there any other Ubuntu related issues we can help you with today? We ask people not to idle here. Thanks [02:55] k leaving no [05:00] Hmmm [05:00] SABDFL... not identified [05:00] going to be guested soon I imagine [05:09] he hasn't enabled nick protection [05:09] Odd. Someone should mention it to him [05:10] only in #ubuntu too [05:10] * Flannel hasn't either, I don't think, for what its worth. [05:10] i would think if it actually was sabdfl he'd be in -dev etc? [05:10] Oh, its certainly not him [05:15] isnt posing as well-known freenode registered nicks like BAD in the freenode guidelines? [05:16] hmm yes, but that's sabdfl's error for not enabling enforce :P [05:16] I know posing as a staffer is. [05:16] Moniker42, please dont blame victims [05:16] that's like saying it's ok to rob you while you're out, because you didnt have one more lock on your door [05:20] let's not use flawed analogy... it's up to the user to decide if they want their nick protected when they are offline [05:20] elkbuntu: do you have a car analogy? [05:21] don't lock your car, and your theft insurance is compromised. Not blaming the victim, just expecting due diligence [05:22] Moniker42, i'd chance that Sabdfl has no idea about nick enforce [05:23] Moniker42, in fact, i'd be willing to put a wager on it. [05:23] perhaps it's more like leaving your car unlocked in the middle of a car park, taking the registration plates off and leaving the keys in the lock - then saying the police should only make sure that people don't take the expensive and ostentatious cars [05:24] it's not up to staff to decide whether a nick/user is important or popular enough to have their nick protected [05:24] * tonyyarusso is here to be filled in if this is relevant to me... [05:25] please ignore my car analogy... analogies are not arguments - i just wanted to oblige Flannel with a car one ;) [05:25] tonyyarusso: He's not here yet [05:27] 'k [05:27] Oh, that guy. [05:38] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !alias apachemysqlphp is lamp [05:39] did someone try the former and expect informatino? [05:39] yes [05:40] where? [05:40] #ubuntu. menza tried the former, I popped the latter, that was the result [05:41] I can't imagine why you'd expect the former [05:42] that's the name of the wiki page [05:47] well, that was brief [05:48] hm. maybe he was just checking if he got good info on the channel name :) [05:48] I guess. He's been in here before though; wants to file a complaint about abuse. [06:30] is commie_cary a known troll? [06:32] yep [06:32] trollish at times, yes. [06:32] I am betting that amuro is kelvin911 [06:32] Not "a known troll" just sometimes difficult [06:32] bazhang: He is. [07:01] PriceChild, there's no harm in extra aliases if they make sense. it's when they're vague and dont make sense that i fail to see the point [08:55] * genii puts on a pot of coffee [09:23] Wow, quiet in here. I guess thats a Good Thing [09:30] yeah [09:31] Hiya elkbuntu [09:31] hi [09:57] genii: saw #kubuntu-offtopic ? [09:58] Tm_T: Seems quiet last hour or so since I've been /back ... didn't scrutinize backscoll however [10:00] Tm_T: Buckethead ? [10:00] no, the other one [10:01] Ah, Minataku [10:01] I wasn't overreacting, was I? [10:01] Nah [10:01] I thought so [10:01] He doesn't even run KDE or *buntu [10:02] I know [10:02] it was all because of calling names, really [10:03] Maybe an !ot earlier coulda helped avert... otherwise looks fine to me [10:04] nah, he knows [10:05] True [10:07] Tm_T: Hehe "remove is not an invite" [10:19] Is there a korean or esperanto channel to direct someone to? [10:24] !ko [10:24] For Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko [10:24] !eo [10:24] Iru al #ubuntu-eo, Bonvole. [10:24] Ah, nice [10:24] Apparently -oe has 1 user [10:25] -eo rather [10:25] Nice [11:37] I've told nils in #u several times now how to go to #ubuntu-de and others have also pointed him at the !de a few also. Can anyone shove him there or so? [11:37] (I'm not an op there just #k) [11:39] Flannel: You see? He is stubborn ;) [11:39] He's not stubborn, just not used to IRC [11:40] genii: /j doesn't work everywhere [11:40] Maybe he doesn't know to go to the tab after it's opened [11:40] Ah, possibly only /join works then [11:41] some of the !cc factoids are a bit sparse on detail. [11:42] !de [11:42] Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de [11:42] I wonder how you say "select the channel name with mouse and activate" or so [11:43] (since that usually works on gui clients) [11:43] right, and if i've launched my irc client like some website said to do, it's automatically dumped me in #Ubuntu (as the default irc clients do) then i have no idea how to do anything [11:44] We'd have to update that on almost all of them though [11:44] genii, "(hover and right click)" is basically all we need to append with [11:44] I argue its easier to manually walk the few totally clueless people who haven't other figured it out through /join #whatever [11:44] Hm [11:44] I find merit in both cases ;) [11:45] Flannel: I'm leaning your way generally. I don't want to be volunteered for editing [11:45] Flannel, we update it on the ones we can source someone to help us fix. german, spanish, french should be easy enough to find [11:51] who's going to make sure "(hover and right click)" works in all the IRC clients? [11:53] is it not just click? [11:53] * genii tries to hover and rightclick in irsii [11:53] and do we not just need to check the defaults? [11:53] ie. the default clients [11:54] xchat, mIRC, pidgin, [Kubuntu] [11:54] Opera? [11:54] Chatzilla [11:54] mirc under wine ... [11:54] with Konversation, you just click (not sure if right click does anything) [11:55] genii: Nah, mIRC under windows. "I cant get ubuntu to work, so I rebooted to windows, yadda yadda" [11:55] and I'm not sure about kvirc [11:56] with quassel its the same as konvi [11:56] So, we already know its right click some places, and left click others? [11:56] (quassel is likely to be default in jaunty) (we hope) [11:57] jussi01: What the hell core would it use?? [11:57] genii: monolithic client ;) [11:57] quassel? [11:57] !info quassel [11:57] quassel (source: quassel): distributed, Qt based, IRC client using a central core component. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu9 (intrepid), package size 2246 kB, installed size 4236 kB [11:58] ah [11:58] K-land [11:58] yeps [12:00] * genii sips from his Kubuntu mug [12:07] Geez, now I can hear the crickets ;) [12:07] Don't jinx it [14:44] In #kubuntu, hyper_ch said: !de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe für Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanälen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de [14:47] !de [14:47] Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de [16:25] whats up? [16:25] LBSources, you are ban evading? [16:25] huh? [16:26] When were you banned and what nick? [16:26] @login [16:26] The operation succeeded. [16:26] @btlogin [16:27] same nick [16:27] when [16:27] just asking .. i came back from being away and noticed i was banned, but it seems it was lifted [16:28] hard to tell .. my crap client doesnt record the time [16:28] how useful :) [16:28] anyway .. it's lifted .. so i think it ok now [16:29] I see one on the 26th [16:29] but like you said it was lifted [16:29] 26th? wow .. well I dont even interact enough to be banned.. but ok [16:31] well .. thanks.. [16:53] bazhang, Do you have a minute..? [16:53] Jack_Sparrow, sure what's up [16:53] bazhang, i WAS LOOKING FOR THE BAN ON lbs AND i CANT SEEM TO FIND IT IN THE LOGS. [16:53] SORRY [16:54] Fat fingers [16:54] hehe [16:54] let me check [16:54] the logs are utc right Dec 26 2008 19:07:24 [16:56] Hi, I suggest to change the wording of the factoid !de, I modelled it after !es and !fr to be more clear [16:57] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [16:57] guntbert, thank you .. someone that speaks de will look it over.. [16:57] translation: Most of the ubuntu-channels are English-only. for support in German please join ..... Just type /join #ubuntu-de. Thank you for your understanding. [17:02] !no, de is In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [17:02] I'll remember that jussi01 [17:05] bazhang, LBS may have been christmaself as the times are close [17:11] yep that would be him it seems jack [17:11] oops [18:32] jtaji called the ops in #ubuntu (patlutz) [18:33] sorted [18:35] ty [18:38] #ubuntu going to the dogs again I see... [18:39] Jack_Sparrow: you didnt remove him... [18:39] one sec [18:40] In ubottu, Schuenemann said: !no, pt is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:40] !pt [18:40] Por favor use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:40] In ubottu, Schuenemann said: !no, br is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:40] !no, br is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:40] I'll remember that jussi01 [18:46] jussi01: Shouldn't that have ? [18:46] !br [18:46] br is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:46] heh [18:46] oops [18:47] !no, br is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:47] I'll remember that jussi01 [18:47] !-br [18:47] br has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:15:56 - last edited by jussi01 on 2009-01-04 18:49:10 [18:47] !-pt [18:47] pt aliases: portuguese, brazil - added by Seveas on 2006-06-21 00:53:44 - last edited by LjL on 2008-11-18 23:08:11 [18:47] hrm [18:47] !no, pt is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:47] I'll remember that jussi01 [18:48] !no, br is pt [18:48] !no, br is pt [18:48] You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm [18:48] !no, br is pt [18:48] !-br [18:48] br is pt - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 01:15:56 - last edited by jussi01 on 2009-01-04 18:50:32 [18:48] !br [18:48] Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [18:48] :) [18:49] Well done :D [18:59] elkbuntu: I don't think he'll be using that long one next time. [19:14] Jack_Sparrow: you need to remember !danger ;) [19:14] ah [19:14] thanks.. [19:15] Im trying to watch football and keep an eye in here [19:24] Did nbeebo get unbanned since yesterday.. I thought he got banned in ot and in ubuntu [19:25] @login [19:25] The operation succeeded. [19:25] @btlogin [19:26] HEy HacKBoX [19:26] Hello [19:26] hey [19:27] What else can I help you with today [19:27] I was bored so I figured i would see how to become an operator [19:27] Didnt mean that to sound the way it looks [19:27] lol [19:27] all good [19:28] HacKBoX, Just by helping in channel.. we are always watching.. and we never op.. because some asks [19:29] that is what i figured. I check out the coc. sounds good. I wasn't sure if everybody paid attention to the help given [19:29] !guidelines | HacKBoX [19:29] HacKBoX: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [19:29] it's all there, even how becoming an op, I believe [19:29] thanks TM_T [19:29] thanks. I'm gonna get out of this channel [19:29] PriceChild: u-uk meeting in 1 if you're interested. [19:39] hmmm [19:40] <3 [19:49] jussi01: -pt is a LoCo channel, -br is the language support channel [19:49] That's why the former was removed from the factoid [19:50] * jussi01 doesnt get how that works... [19:50] jussi01: support is in -br for those languages. -pt is for LoCo business, and -br has -br-loco or soemthing like that, for LoCo business [19:51] Flannel: yes, but you are supposed to be able to get support in a loco channel, no? [19:51] Not necessarily, no. [19:51] LoCos provide support, but doesn't have to be in their main IRC channel [19:51] (the -pt loco provides support in the -br channel, I believe) [19:52] Its just like we don't provide support here, or in -meeting or whatnot [19:53] -br is a language channel, -pt (and -br-whatever) are channels for LoCo business [19:53] That isnt my understanding of how it works, but if you know better please feel free to change it [19:55] oh yay for netsplits... [20:00] "rehubbing" is the term they use when it's intentional :p [20:23] FloodBot1 is going insane [20:23] Wow.... that... text speak guy is crazy [20:24] s/crazy/annoyinh [20:24] s/crazy/annoying [20:24] ikonia: I think you mean anyng [20:24] ha [20:26] How hard is it to type out a full word? Sheesh... [20:27] Um, whats the fcatoid for arabic? [20:27] I was looking ! [20:27] Not sure, without digging. [20:28] couldn't see it [20:28] !ar [20:28] La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe [20:28] umm, nope [20:28] !sa [20:28] For the Saudi Arabia team : /join #ubuntu-sa : للانظمام الى قناة الفريق السعودي - For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية [20:28] arabic [20:28] !arabic [20:28] odd, ok, sa it is I guess [20:29] * Flannel always worries about offending when dealing with languages he has little knowledge about. [20:29] snap [20:29] An innocent mistake shouldn't offend. [20:30] My ignorance is no excuse for... well... ignorance [20:31] Have we really gotten to the point where it's safer not to help, than to risk offending? Too much political correctness... [20:32] I never said I won't help. I just said I worry about showing my ignorance [20:33] Flannel: I make some bad calls with say spanish and portugese [20:35] ooh, myrtti's here [20:35] hi [20:35] * stdin waves [20:35] Howdy myrtti [20:35] howdy [20:37] Flannel: I know, my point is that you shouldn't have to worry about showing ignorance. [20:39] Hi Gasoline, how can we help you? [20:40] @bansearch artur [20:40] No matches found for artur!*@* in any channel [20:40] He's not in BT that I could see [20:40] tritium: I dislike being ignorant. Whether from my own delisions of gradeur or whatever it is. [20:41] Flannel: I understand. [20:42] @mark qb|away has ignored !away for about a month [20:42] The operation succeeded. [20:42] If I make a mistake, and accidently type !br instead of !pt, I shouldn't have to worry if I offend someone. That is my only point. [20:43] i.e., people should appreciate honest attempts to help. We shouldn't be walking on egg shells while trying to assist. === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [21:11] !staff DJCanadianJeff [21:11] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [21:11] !staff | DJCanadianJeff thretening in pm [21:11] DJCanadianJeff thretening in pm: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [21:11] 21:11 DIRE IN A FIRE NOOB [21:11] etc [21:11] dire, eh? [21:12] he meant die [21:12] I think the misspelling for the sake of rhyme is a good trade off [21:12] ha ha ha [21:12] only just noted that [21:16] Or perhaps he's stuck in a canadian textile sweatshop that's caught in a blazing inferno, and he's asking for help! [21:17] (Dyer in a Fire) [21:32] * jpds looks at Ganja_Smoker in #u. [21:50] !staff | BiTTraffic spamming advertising urls [21:50] BiTTraffic spamming advertising urls: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian or PriceChild, I could use a bit of your time :) [21:50] * jussi01 waves [21:51] heya ikonia [21:51] hey [21:51] hows things? [21:52] busy busy busy [21:52] what's going on your end [21:52] not so much. got time for a pm? [21:52] sure [21:58] lo [21:58] heya Seeker` [23:54] !-amaranth [23:54] amaranth aliases: nvidia-beta - added by Amaranth on 2008-01-16 10:34:19 - last edited by Amaranth on 2008-03-13 20:24:41