[00:31] <nbeebo> mother fucking niggers
[00:32] <topyli> way to go
[00:37] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, please dont.
[00:37] <nickspoon> Oh, come on.
[00:38] <nickspoon> I won't do it again :)
[00:38] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, ops arent allowed to have fun.
[00:38] <nickspoon> Pah, says who?
[00:39] <elkbuntu> says the shitstorm that will eventuate if you keep the current thing up. hell, we had to stop play-kicking other ops becuase the poor little offtopicers were scared
[00:40] <elkbuntu> !language > elkbuntu
[00:45] <nickspoon> I've been in #u-o a fair while now and as far as I could tell no play-kicks ever did any harm. I will relent, however - I shouldn't want to incur the wrath of the important ops :)
[00:46] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, wait until lynoure sees a play-kick, or someone else who likes to accuse us of abuse.
[00:47] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, we're not even supposed to preemptively op up in a dispute. they scream bullying if we do.
[00:48] <elkbuntu> then complain if we warn, as warning is bullying
[00:48] <elkbuntu> then complain that we dont give warnings
[00:49] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, it might look fun from the user side, but it's not. Trolls have more leeway than we do.
[00:50] <nickspoon> I'll grant you that I haven't been in here at all, but really this sounds an awful lot like whiny users getting their way.
[00:51] <elkbuntu> it is.
[00:51] <elkbuntu> that's how -offtopic has got to the trashpit it is today
[00:52] <elkbuntu> most of the regulars are those whiny users
[00:52] <elkbuntu> i mean, just the other week i got accused of not participating in -offtopic
[00:53] <elkbuntu> by wobblywu
[00:53] <thom> the proliferation of ubuntu irc channels still scares me. but i might just be showing my age :)
[00:53] <elkbuntu> such as which?
[00:54] <thom> well, such as all of them. but then, i remember the discussion about hiving the ubuntu-devel mailing list off the ubuntu one :)
[00:54] <elkbuntu> heh
[00:55] <nickspoon> I don't know of any regulars who complain about joke kicks. The only times people have complained (in #u-o at least) is when they don't understand why they were kicked.
[00:56] <nickspoon> Or why X was kicked.
[00:57] <elkbuntu> nickspoon, it's not the sort of thing you notice until you're one of us.
[00:57] <nickspoon> I suppose not.
[00:58] <PriceChild> One of us!
[00:58] <Seeker`> people will complain about most things
[00:59] <PriceChild> I'd rather we leave +o alone unless it is needed.
[00:59] <Seeker`> in fact, whatever you do, someone will probably complain
[00:59] <PriceChild> Seeker`++
[01:01] <Seeker`> and if you are an op long enough, you'll probably pick up a group of followers that will complain about everything you do no matter what it is
[01:02] <nickspoon> Which is why I don't want to be an op for any more than #u-o.
[01:04] <Seeker`> bedtime I think
[01:04] <Seeker`> night
[01:31] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, and their complaining takes our time. it's a matter of if you have time to be screamed at. most of us dont.
[01:31] <elkbuntu> nickrud, -ot is probably the hardest one to be op of.
[01:32] <elkbuntu> errrr nickspoon
[01:32] <elkbuntu> too many nicks
[01:32] <nickrud> yep.
[01:32]  * nickrud eyes nickspoon, again
[01:32] <elkbuntu> he left
[01:32] <elkbuntu> i didnt read what popped up with tab complete
[01:32] <nickrud> before I joined obviously. But we've been down this road before, us two
[01:33] <elkbuntu> heh
[01:34] <nickrud> his nick is about the only one I write fully, every time
[02:46] <patx> Jack_Sparrow: hello.
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi..
[02:46] <patx> lol pm
[02:46] <Jack_Sparrow> We tried letting users make their own factoids but it got out of control fast.. now they can suggest them, and they get approved or denied 
[02:47] <patx> ok
[02:47] <patx>  9:46:28 PM: he has a masters option
[02:47] <patx>   9:46:40 PM: u can set it to just the staff
[02:47] <patx>   9:46:45 PM: er i can set it
[02:47] <Flannel> patx: So, how would it be any different than ubottu?
[02:48] <patx> idk... he can run in whatever channel u want him to...
[02:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel, ty
[02:48] <Flannel> patx: We already have bots in all the channels we want them in
[02:48] <Flannel> Thank you though, but we've got it covered.
[02:48] <patx> is there anyway he can get a cloak then?
[02:49] <Flannel> patx: Not an Ubuntu cloak, no.  You'd have to talk to freenode staff to get some other cloak; I'm not sure how unaffiliated cloaks work for bots.
[02:49] <patx> i have one of those already
[02:50] <Flannel> patx: right, I meant for your bot.
[02:50] <patx> he has one of them to lol
[02:50] <Flannel> Oh, you have one.
[02:50] <Flannel> Why would we give some arbitrary bot an Ubuntu cloak?
[02:50] <patx> unaffiliated/patx/bot/patxbot
[02:50] <patx> because he would be in ur channels
[02:51] <Flannel> patx: Again, thanks for offering, but we don't need any additional bots at this time.
[02:51] <patx> k
[02:52] <patx> can u think of any other irc chanel with cloaks that need bots... i came here cos i use ubuntu
[02:52] <Flannel> Not off the top of my head, nope
[02:54] <patx> k ty again
[02:54] <Flannel> patx: Is there any other Ubuntu related issues we can help you with today?  We ask people not to idle here.  Thanks
[02:55] <patx> k leaving no
[05:00] <Flannel> Hmmm
[05:00] <Flannel> SABDFL... not identified
[05:00] <Flannel> going to be guested soon I imagine
[05:09] <Moniker42> he hasn't enabled nick protection
[05:09] <Flannel> Odd.  Someone should mention it to him
[05:10] <Moniker42> only in #ubuntu too
[05:10]  * Flannel hasn't either, I don't think, for what its worth.
[05:10] <Moniker42> i would think if it actually was sabdfl he'd be in -dev etc?
[05:10] <Flannel> Oh, its certainly not him
[05:15] <elkbuntu> isnt posing as well-known freenode registered nicks like BAD in the freenode guidelines?
[05:16] <Moniker42> hmm yes, but that's sabdfl's error for not enabling enforce :P
[05:16] <Flannel> I know posing as a staffer is.
[05:16] <elkbuntu> Moniker42, please dont blame victims
[05:16] <elkbuntu> that's like saying it's ok to rob you while you're out, because you didnt have one more lock on your door
[05:20] <Moniker42> let's not use flawed analogy... it's up to the user to decide if they want their nick protected when they are offline
[05:20] <Flannel> elkbuntu: do you have a car analogy?
[05:21] <nickrud> don't lock your car, and your theft insurance is compromised. Not blaming the victim, just expecting due diligence
[05:22] <elkbuntu> Moniker42, i'd chance that Sabdfl has no idea about nick enforce
[05:23] <elkbuntu> Moniker42, in fact, i'd be willing to put a wager on it.
[05:23] <Moniker42> perhaps it's more like leaving your car unlocked in the middle of a car park, taking the registration plates off and leaving the keys in the lock - then saying the police should only make sure that people don't take the expensive and ostentatious cars
[05:24] <Moniker42> it's not up to staff to decide whether a nick/user is important or popular enough to have their nick protected
[05:24]  * tonyyarusso is here to be filled in if this is relevant to me...
[05:25] <Moniker42> please ignore my car analogy... analogies are not arguments - i just wanted to oblige Flannel with a car one ;)
[05:25] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: He's not here yet
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[05:27] <Flannel> Oh, that guy.
[05:39] <PriceChild> did someone try the former and expect informatino?
[05:39] <nickrud> yes
[05:40] <PriceChild> where?
[05:40] <nickrud> #ubuntu. menza tried the former, I popped the latter, that was the result
[05:41] <Flannel> I can't imagine why you'd expect the former
[05:42] <nickrud> that's the name of the wiki page
[05:47] <Flannel> well, that was brief
[05:48] <nickrud> hm. maybe he was just checking if he got good info on the channel name :)
[05:48] <Flannel> I guess.  He's been in here before though; wants to file a complaint about abuse.
[06:30] <nickrud> is commie_cary a known troll?
[06:32] <bazhang> yep
[06:32] <Flannel> trollish at times, yes.
[06:32] <bazhang> I am betting that amuro is kelvin911
[06:32] <Flannel> Not "a known troll" just sometimes difficult
[06:32] <Flannel> bazhang: He is.
[07:01] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, there's no harm in extra aliases if they make sense. it's when they're vague and dont make sense that i fail to see the point
[08:55]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee
[09:23] <genii> Wow, quiet in here. I guess thats a Good Thing
[09:30] <elkbuntu> yeah
[09:31] <genii> Hiya elkbuntu
[09:31] <elkbuntu> hi
[09:57] <Tm_T> genii: saw #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[09:58] <genii> Tm_T: Seems quiet last hour or so since I've been /back  ... didn't scrutinize backscoll however
[10:00] <genii> Tm_T: Buckethead ?
[10:00] <Tm_T> no, the other one
[10:01] <genii> Ah, Minataku
[10:01] <Tm_T> I wasn't overreacting, was I?
[10:01] <genii> Nah
[10:01] <Tm_T> I thought so
[10:01] <genii> He doesn't even run KDE or *buntu
[10:02] <Tm_T> I know
[10:02] <Tm_T> it was all because of calling names, really
[10:03] <genii> Maybe an !ot earlier coulda helped avert... otherwise looks fine to me 
[10:04] <Tm_T> nah, he knows
[10:05] <genii> True
[10:07] <genii> Tm_T: Hehe "remove is not an invite"
[10:19] <genii> Is there a korean or esperanto channel to direct someone to?
[10:24] <Flannel> !ko
[10:24] <Flannel> !eo
[10:24] <genii> Ah, nice
[10:24] <genii> Apparently -oe has 1 user
[10:25] <genii> -eo     rather
[10:25] <Flannel> Nice
[11:37] <genii> I've told nils in #u several times now how to go to #ubuntu-de and others have also pointed him at the !de a few also. Can anyone shove him there or so?
[11:37] <genii> (I'm not an op there just #k)
[11:39] <genii> Flannel: You see? He is stubborn ;)
[11:39] <Flannel> He's not stubborn, just not used to IRC
[11:40] <Flannel> genii: /j doesn't work everywhere
[11:40] <genii> Maybe he doesn't know to go to the tab after it's opened
[11:40] <genii> Ah, possibly only /join works then
[11:41] <elkbuntu> some of the !cc factoids are a bit sparse on detail.
[11:42] <elkbuntu> !de
[11:42] <genii> I wonder how you say "select the channel name with mouse and activate"   or so
[11:43] <genii> (since that usually works on gui clients)
[11:43] <elkbuntu> right, and if i've launched my irc client like some website said to do, it's automatically dumped me in #Ubuntu (as the default irc clients do) then i have no idea how to do anything
[11:44] <Flannel> We'd have to update that on almost all of them though
[11:44] <elkbuntu> genii, "(hover and right click)" is basically all we need to append with
[11:44] <Flannel> I argue its easier to manually walk the few totally clueless people who haven't other figured it out through /join #whatever
[11:44] <genii> Hm
[11:44] <genii> I find merit in both cases ;)
[11:45] <genii> Flannel: I'm leaning your way generally. I don't want to be volunteered for editing
[11:45] <elkbuntu> Flannel, we update it on the ones we can source someone to help us fix. german, spanish, french should be easy enough to find
[11:51] <stdin> who's going to make sure "(hover and right click)" works in all the IRC clients?
[11:53] <jussi01> is it not just click?
[11:53]  * genii tries to hover and rightclick in irsii
[11:53] <jussi01> and do we not just need to check the defaults?
[11:53] <jussi01> ie. the default clients
[11:54] <Flannel> xchat, mIRC, pidgin, [Kubuntu]
[11:54] <Flannel> Opera?
[11:54] <Flannel> Chatzilla
[11:54] <genii> mirc under wine ...
[11:54] <stdin> with Konversation, you just click (not sure if right click does anything)
[11:55] <Flannel> genii: Nah, mIRC under windows.  "I cant get ubuntu to work, so I rebooted to windows, yadda yadda"
[11:55] <stdin> and I'm not sure about kvirc
[11:56] <jussi01> with quassel its the same as konvi
[11:56] <Flannel> So, we already know its right click some places, and left click others?
[11:56] <jussi01> (quassel is likely to be default in jaunty) (we hope)
[11:57] <genii> jussi01: What the hell core would it use??
[11:57] <jussi01> genii: monolithic client ;)
[11:57] <elkbuntu> quassel?
[11:57] <jussi01> !info quassel
[11:58] <elkbuntu> ah
[11:58] <elkbuntu> K-land
[11:58] <jussi01> yeps
[12:00]  * genii sips from his Kubuntu mug
[12:07] <genii> Geez, now I can hear the crickets ;)
[12:07] <Flannel> Don't jinx it
[14:47] <jussi01> !de
[16:25] <LBSources> whats up?
[16:25] <bazhang> LBSources, you are ban evading?
[16:25] <LBSources> huh?
[16:26] <Jack_Sparrow> When were you banned and what nick?
[16:26] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[16:26] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[16:27] <LBSources> same nick
[16:27] <Jack_Sparrow> when
[16:27] <LBSources> just asking .. i came back from being away and noticed i was banned, but it seems it was lifted
[16:28] <LBSources> hard to tell .. my crap client doesnt record the time
[16:28] <LBSources> how useful :)
[16:28] <LBSources> anyway .. it's lifted .. so i think it ok now
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I see one on the 26th
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> but like you said it was lifted
[16:29] <LBSources> 26th? wow .. well I dont even interact enough to be banned.. but ok
[16:31] <LBSources> well .. thanks..
[16:53] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang, Do you have a minute..?
[16:53] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, sure what's up
[16:53] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang, i WAS LOOKING FOR THE BAN ON lbs AND i CANT SEEM TO FIND IT IN THE LOGS.
[16:53] <Jack_Sparrow> SORRY
[16:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Fat fingers
[16:54] <bazhang> hehe
[16:54] <bazhang> let me check
[16:54] <Jack_Sparrow> the logs are utc right  	Dec 26 2008 19:07:24 
[16:56] <guntbert> Hi, I suggest to change the wording of the factoid !de, I modelled it after !es and !fr to be more clear
[16:57] <guntbert> In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[16:57] <Jack_Sparrow> guntbert, thank you .. someone that speaks de will look it over..
[16:57] <guntbert> translation: Most of the ubuntu-channels are English-only. for support in German please join ..... Just type /join #ubuntu-de. Thank you for your understanding.
[17:02] <jussi01> !no, de is <reply>In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.
[17:05] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang, LBS may have been christmaself as the times are close
[17:11] <bazhang> yep that would be him it seems jack
[17:11] <bazhang> oops
[18:33] <jussi01> sorted
[18:35] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[18:38] <jussi01> #ubuntu going to the dogs again I see...
[18:39] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: you didnt remove him...
[18:39] <Jack_Sparrow> one sec
[18:40] <jussi01> !pt
[18:40] <jussi01> !no, br is Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[18:46] <jpds> jussi01: Shouldn't that have <reply>?
[18:46] <jussi01> !br
[18:46] <jussi01> heh
[18:46] <jussi01> oops
[18:47] <jussi01> !no, br is <reply>Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[18:47] <jussi01> !-br
[18:47] <jussi01> !-pt
[18:47] <jussi01> hrm
[18:47] <jussi01> !no, pt is <reply>Por favor, use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[18:48] <jussi01> !no, br is <alias>pt
[18:48] <jussi01> !no, br is <alias> pt
[18:48] <jussi01> !no, br is <alias> pt
[18:48] <jussi01> !-br
[18:48] <jussi01> !br
[18:48] <jussi01> :)
[18:49] <nickspoon> Well done :D
[18:59] <PriceChild> elkbuntu: I don't think he'll be using that long one next time.
[19:14] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: you need to remember !danger ;)
[19:14] <Jack_Sparrow> ah
[19:14] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks..
[19:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Im trying to watch football and keep an eye in here
[19:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Did nbeebo get unbanned since yesterday.. I thought he got banned in ot and in ubuntu
[19:25] <Jack_Sparrow> @login
[19:25] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[19:26] <Jack_Sparrow> HEy HacKBoX 
[19:26] <HacKBoX> Hello
[19:26] <HacKBoX> hey
[19:27] <Jack_Sparrow> What else can I help you with today
[19:27] <HacKBoX> I was bored so I figured i would see how to become an operator
[19:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt mean that to sound the way it looks
[19:27] <HacKBoX> lol
[19:27] <HacKBoX> all good
[19:28] <Jack_Sparrow> HacKBoX, Just by helping in channel.. we are always watching.. and we never op.. because some asks
[19:29] <HacKBoX> that is what i figured. I check out the coc. sounds good. I wasn't sure if everybody paid attention to the help given
[19:29] <Tm_T> !guidelines | HacKBoX 
[19:29] <Tm_T> it's all there, even how becoming an op, I believe
[19:29] <HacKBoX> thanks TM_T 
[19:29] <HacKBoX> thanks. I'm gonna get out of this channel
[19:29] <jpds> PriceChild: u-uk meeting in 1 if you're interested.
[19:39] <Myrtti> hmmm
[19:40] <Tm_T> <3
[19:49] <Flannel> jussi01: -pt is a LoCo channel, -br is the language support channel
[19:49] <Flannel> That's why the former was removed from the factoid
[19:50]  * jussi01 doesnt get how that works... 
[19:50] <Flannel> jussi01: support is in -br for those languages.  -pt is for LoCo business, and -br has -br-loco or soemthing like that, for LoCo business
[19:51] <jussi01> Flannel: yes, but you are supposed to be able to get support in a loco channel, no?
[19:51] <Flannel> Not necessarily, no.
[19:51] <Flannel> LoCos provide support, but doesn't have to be in their main IRC channel
[19:51] <Flannel> (the -pt loco provides support in the -br channel, I believe)
[19:52] <Flannel> Its just like we don't provide support here, or in -meeting or whatnot
[19:53] <Flannel> -br is a language channel, -pt (and -br-whatever) are channels for LoCo business
[19:53] <jussi01> That isnt my understanding of how it works, but if you know better please feel free to change it
[19:55] <jussi01> oh yay for netsplits...
[20:00] <stdin> "rehubbing" is the term they use when it's intentional :p
[20:23] <stdin> FloodBot1 is going insane
[20:23] <Flannel> Wow.... that... text speak guy is crazy
[20:24] <ikonia> s/crazy/annoyinh
[20:24] <ikonia> s/crazy/annoying
[20:24] <Flannel> ikonia: I think you mean anyng
[20:24] <ikonia> ha
[20:26] <tritium> How hard is it to type out a full word?  Sheesh...
[20:27] <Flannel> Um, whats the fcatoid for arabic?
[20:27] <ikonia> I was looking !
[20:27] <tritium> Not sure, without digging.
[20:28] <ikonia> couldn't see it
[20:28] <stdin> !ar
[20:28] <stdin> umm, nope
[20:28] <Flannel> !sa
[20:28] <Flannel> arabic
[20:28] <Flannel> !arabic
[20:28] <Flannel> odd, ok, sa it is I guess
[20:29]  * Flannel always worries about offending when dealing with languages he has little knowledge about.
[20:29] <ikonia> snap
[20:29] <tritium> An innocent mistake shouldn't offend.
[20:30] <Flannel> My ignorance is no excuse for... well... ignorance
[20:31] <tritium> Have we really gotten to the point where it's safer not to help, than to risk offending?  Too much political correctness...
[20:32] <Flannel> I never said I won't help.  I just said I worry about showing my ignorance
[20:33] <ikonia> Flannel: I make some bad calls with say spanish and portugese 
[20:35] <stdin> ooh, myrtti's here
[20:35] <myrtti> hi
[20:35]  * stdin waves
[20:35] <Flannel> Howdy myrtti
[20:35] <ikonia> howdy 
[20:37] <tritium> Flannel: I know, my point is that you shouldn't have to worry about showing ignorance.
[20:39] <Flannel> Hi Gasoline, how can we help you?
[20:40] <ikonia> @bansearch artur
[20:40] <Flannel> He's not in BT that I could see
[20:40] <Flannel> tritium: I dislike being ignorant.  Whether from my own delisions of gradeur or whatever it is.
[20:41] <tritium> Flannel: I understand.
[20:42] <jrib> @mark qb|away has ignored !away for about a month
[20:42] <tritium> If I make a mistake, and accidently type !br instead of !pt, I shouldn't have to worry if I offend someone.  That is my only point.
[20:43] <tritium> i.e., people should appreciate honest attempts to help.  We shouldn't be walking on egg shells while trying to assist.
[21:11] <ikonia> !staff DJCanadianJeff
[21:11] <ikonia> !staff | DJCanadianJeff thretening in pm
[21:11] <ikonia> 21:11 <DJCanadianJeff> DIRE IN A FIRE NOOB
[21:11] <ikonia> etc
[21:11] <Flannel> dire, eh?
[21:12] <ikonia> he meant die
[21:12] <Flannel> I think the misspelling for the sake of rhyme is a good trade off
[21:12] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[21:12] <ikonia> only just noted that
[21:16] <Flannel> Or perhaps he's stuck in a canadian textile sweatshop that's caught in a blazing inferno, and he's asking for help!
[21:17] <Flannel> (Dyer in a Fire)
[21:32]  * jpds looks at Ganja_Smoker in #u.
[21:50] <ikonia> !staff | BiTTraffic spamming advertising urls 
[21:50]  * jussi01 waves
[21:51] <jussi01> heya ikonia
[21:51] <ikonia> hey
[21:51] <jussi01> hows things?
[21:52] <ikonia> busy busy busy
[21:52] <ikonia> what's going on your end
[21:52] <jussi01> not so much. got time for a pm?
[21:52] <ikonia> sure
[21:58] <Seeker`> lo
[21:58] <jussi01> heya Seeker`
[23:54] <jussi01> !-amaranth