=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu [00:48] does anyone know how to turn off ome applets that take up memory, make sure they don't start when the computer starts [00:49] like nm-applet and update-notifier [00:50] disable them in the session [00:50] I can kill them, how do I disable them? [00:51] System> Preferences> Sessions [00:51] or, you could remove their desktop files from /etc/xdg/autostart/ [00:54] if I'm using xubuntu, I installed edubuntu-desktop which installs ubuntu-desktop [00:54] that means I now have gnome on my machine right? [01:00] yes [01:01] ah k, I can disable gnome startup services then [01:01] in the interest of lowering memory footprint [02:38] * LaserJock reads Brainstorm and gets depressed [02:48] hey there, anyone wanna help me out with a problem [02:54] mike__: if you throw out your question somebody may be able to help you [04:52] LaserJock: why is kitten and klettres not in edubuntu [04:52] both are in main [04:53] wait kiten is universe, but klettres is in main [04:53] should be in edubuntu seed [04:54] nubae: what release? [04:54] intrepid even [04:54] http://appnr.com/package/klettres [04:54] there were some historical reasons I believe [04:55] ok, so maybe for jaunty it should be in there? [04:55] perhaps [04:55] we need to make sure it's not dropped from KDE [04:55] I'm getting another rule then, just cause its in main, don't mean it goes in edubuntu :p [04:56] that's true [04:56] it has to be in the seed [04:56] right, just thinking about Jaunty now though [04:57] if it's still in Main I think it should be in the seed [04:57] so check to make sure it's still there and in Main in Jaunty [04:58] it is [04:58] 4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1: amd64 i386 [04:59] I thought a little more about linking something to the version, maybe we should link to the packages.ubuntu.com link? [05:07] perhaps [05:07] right well, hardy app list done now too [05:07] I'll upload to the site [05:08] cool [05:30] in terms of a web editor replacement for screem, there is also kompozer and quanta, for me, both have had problems, but just thought I'd mention it since bluefish is not a wysiwyg editor [05:31] yeah, we should look at what's the best [05:31] I would say for each addition/replacement/removal we should start a thread on the mailing list [05:32] ok [05:32] I gotta run, getting to be bed time [05:32] cya tomorrow most likely === calimer-- is now known as calimer [12:47] edubuntu addons don't seem to work [12:47] How do I add the various edubuntu packages [12:51] hmm, not very pacient [14:47] hi, all [16:13] good morning [16:31] hi Ahmuck an LaserJockie [16:34] highvoltage! [16:34] how's my favorite South African? [16:35] :D [16:35] doing good thanks. just got out of the pool. the heat was killing me [16:36] how are you doing LaserMan? [16:37] the heat! [16:38] it's been freezing here [16:38] just above 0 C right now [16:40] highvoltage: I'm surviving. still trying to finish the PhD and save the world ;-) === nothingman_ is now known as nothingman [16:49] LaserJock: wow, that's cold. we must swap some C's. [16:54] highvoltage: it got to around -15 C at the coldest here so far this winter [16:55] but my parents has -31 C === nothingman_ is now known as nothingman [18:27] anybody heard of "Shoes", a programming learning environment [18:27] ? [18:32] http://shoooes.net/ - no, I've only heard of scratch, http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_installer [18:41] I was just reading an article on educational programming environments [18:41] and they mentioned Scratch, Alice, and Shoes [18:42] This one? http://www.linux.com/feature/155203 [18:42] I've only heard of scratch, it's very good, and better now that they have a linux version! :) [18:42] yeah, that's the article [18:42] what I liked about Shoes was it was written in Ruby [18:44] Scratch is Squeak and Alice is Java [18:45] Shoes also seems fairly open source [18:46] What I liked about scratch is its environment, I haven't tried it in a classroom yet but I think the kids will be interested in it. Fortunately with the new books we're teaching I'll get to try it next year. [18:49] yeah, scratch is definitely more geared towards younger users [18:49] I think shoes might be good for secondary [18:51] You know, I'm not yet sure what primary vs secondary vs high school is... Primary = ages 6 to 12, secondary = 12 to 14, and high school = 15 to 17? I'm teaching to 12-14 year old kids... [18:52] Also, there are some countries where primary = 6 to 10... [18:52] secondary is supposed to be roughly high school [18:52] I'm not sure where junior high would fit in exactly [18:53] ...so high school is 15 to 17? and junior high = 12 to 14? [18:54] well, that's normally right in the US [18:55] not sure in terms of primary, secondary, tertiary where junior high would fit [18:55] we might want to put some age ranges on those [18:55] Ah, ok, so I'm not a secondary school teacher as I thought, I'm teaching in a junior high school! :) Good to know! :P [18:56] well, I don't know exactly [18:56] I don't know if even age ranges will cover it. E.g. we use Lego with kids 12-14 years old, while other countries use Lego only on primary schools [18:56] I know elementary would be primary and high school secondary, but the middle I don't know [18:59] we might need to ask RichEd [19:00] Ah, I just asked my wife, she visited the US last year. We have 6 + 3 + 3 years in schools, while you have 5 years elementary, 3 middle school (=junior high) and 4 years high school [19:02] i'd like to see a python learning environment [19:03] alkisg: that's right [19:03] Ahmuck: that would be very cool indeed [19:04] Ahmuck: Yeah, me too. [19:04] we did have work on a python teaching app that would "grade" python [19:05] Ahmuck: did you manage to solve your network problems? [19:06] not yet. i dropped back to thin clients for the time being [19:06] Ah, ok [19:06] now that the fat client script is bug free, i'm going to try a test in a vm first [19:06] Ahmuck: what were you going to use fat clients for? [19:07] then if i get good networking there, i may backup users directories and overwrite the system [19:07] artrage, blender, kdenlive, etc. [19:07] and not do local apps? [19:07] what do local apps [19:08] SDL is a problem [19:08] i'm looking at a number of apps, and i've tried them on the tihin client side, and they don't work [19:09] but blender did not work on the fat client side either [19:09] i've got mixed feelings about ltsp [19:10] I think when multiseat is ready, it'll be much more powerfull than ltsp [19:10] But 'till then, ltsp is fine for non-graphic intensive applications [19:14] shoes looks so kewl [19:14] multiseat ? [19:14] i'm really after multi-seat [19:14] if i can't get that, then ltsp fat clients [19:17] local apps should give you decent results for graphic-intensive apps though shouldn't it? [19:18] it may, i don't know. i've not tried local apps [19:18] artrage is a windows program via wine [19:18] it's slower, but it does work [19:18] I would think you'd try local apps before fat clients [19:19] really? [19:19] did nubae drop out of the fat client arena? [19:19] did i miss something? [19:19] I don't know [19:19] one of the problems iwth thin clients is SDL [19:20] i'm having problems with that [19:20] right, but local apps are local apps [19:20] I would think it would help [20:05] LaserJock: -15C? -31C? that's insane! [20:05] hey, you were talking about educational programming environments [20:05] * highvoltage didn't realise such cold places can be inhabitable [20:05] Guido von Robot is one in python [20:06] I use that with my students [20:06] kind of fun, making up the worlds in it [20:06] a good challenge besides the actual instruction part [20:07] nothingman: cool [20:08] highvoltage: it's only that cold for a while [20:09] LaserJock, it's that cold where you live? [20:09] I mean, I'm in upstate NY, and it's not that bad here :-P [20:10] relatedly, has anyone seen today's XKCD? [20:11] nothingman: it was that cold at my parents house in MT [20:11] it was -15C here [20:12] LaserJock: point me to local apps? [20:12] btw, shoooes looks really neat [20:16] Ahmuck: stgraber would be the best to talk to [20:17] nothingman: today's xkcd was awesome :) [20:18] I haven't had "spit goes clunk" but I've had it basically freeze before hitting the ground [20:20] is there a place to download them? [20:20] Ahmuck: download what? [20:20] er, download "local app: [20:20] it's a part of LTSP [20:20] ack, my typing is terrible today [20:20] ah, ok. i'm fumble around [20:21] you basically install the apps into the chroot [20:21] so they are available on the client [20:26] LaserJock: isn't that just the fat client Ahmuck was trying to make? [20:26] I might be confused [20:27] they're a bit different I think [20:27] a fat client has a hard drive and a local install of the OS [20:28] but often gets $HOME from the server and things like that [20:28] um, not nubae's fat client [20:28] it uses the proc and mem from the client, but everything else is done on the server [20:28] ah, then he's actually doing local apps [20:28] and it can use a swap partition on the client as well [20:31] oic [20:38] iirc, local apps allow you to customize the app menu so that you can have fat and thin clients booting [20:39] well, my history of it is that what you call "fat clients" is local apps [20:40] which includes the app menu working right [20:41] the use of fat clients I'm used to is to mean a client which has a hard drive and locally installed OS, but relies on the server for some services === LaserRock is now known as LaserJock === linus is now known as LinusU [22:13] Hellu [22:14] Anyone that can help with local apps on ltsp? [22:21] LinusU: you can ask your question here or perhaps even better would be #ltsp [22:32] thx